Ill never get over Bob getting hate for not letting himself be tricked by giving up his idol. They acted like it was evil of him to see through their plan.
yeah, I was rooting for Kenny until he was mad at Bob for not falling for his BS, especially since Kenny screwed his own game by not fully committing to him and Crystal flipping to Bob and Corrine.
@@josabby474 His plan was never to flip to Bob and Corinne since he intended to go to F3 with Crystal and either Susie or Sugar. Kenny simply voted for Matty because Bob and Corinne had promised him their Jury votes if he did so, and Matty had even been aware that Kenny would vote for him at Final 7 (as Kenny himself told him he was doing it, although he didn't say that was why) and was okay with it.
@@SpanishFly120 even though his plan was never to flip to Bob, he still had no right to be mad at Bob for not giving up the immunity necklace. Since he was never with Bob, he had absolutely no right to be angry or act like Bob had betrayed him. That’s just arrogant entitlement.
Danielle's jury speech in HvV has always hit me hard because it never feels particularly bitter. She, of every jury member, has the right to be bitter and to use her jury speech as a way of telling Russell exactly how he made her feel because the way he voted her out was horrible. How he speaks to her and treats her leads to her breaking down in tears in the tribal she's voted out at, and there was absolutely no strategic advantage to voting her out. Russell could have easily gone to final three with Parv and Danielle. But instead of being bitter and insulting him, she simply sums up that from what's happened so far, the jury clearly does not like him. She tells him that and that he isn't going to get any votes, and then she gives him a chance to apologise and to try and claw back any respect he can. She pretty much lays it out on a silver platter and he tosses it aside. And when he does, she simply says "okay, that's too bad." She was probably the nicest to Russell and he didn't deserve it. I've always held a lot of respect for Danielle for that. As much as I enjoy some of the more personal bitter jury speeches like Trish in Cagayan, I much prefer someone who recognises that it's a game and treats it as such. And the strength it takes to look past the fact that this man made you have an emotional breakdown and offer him a chance to apologise for _anything he did in the game_ is fucking admirable.
Bahah no Russell wouldn't have gotten her vote even if he apologised. Similar to Brenda in Caramoan she just wanted him to grovel in hopes of getting votes.
Honestly, the bitterness from the Fiji jury was the fact that they could not believe they lost to Dreamz. Dreamz was an uneducated homeless man and Alex was a Harvard educated lawyer. I guarantee you that Alex's ego was smashed seeing Dreamz in the final 3.
The Gabon jury and Fiji jury are the perfect examples of when bullying somehow works for tv and how it absolutely does not work for tv. I mean Randy’s a dick but I’d rather watch him on ten juries than see Alex or Lisi grandstand even once.
I’ll give Alex a pass because apparently while it wasn’t shown for some reason, Cassandra was pretty hateful towards him and Edgardo and would talk down to them for communicating with each other in Spanish, which is where his “do I need Edgardo to translate for me” comment comes from. Lisi was just miserable though
@@uglyaniimals as much as I like Corinne’s brutal cast assessments, and as irritating as Sugar was quite a few times, I unfortunately have to agree that this speech at the ftc was disgusting and pointless. Worse than all the jurors in Fiji, maybe except for Lisi.
There’s also bullying from the eventual finalists. Specifically Will Sims. I don’t care how annoying someone can be, there’s no justification to the way he talked to Shirin. It’s even pettier that it’s over a legitimate game assumption. I won’t be surprised if it played a big factor in him only getting a jury vote from Rodney, who was also quite an obnoxious bully.
"...in a move Debbie saw as toothless. It's the Brenda and Dawn scenario all over again." Casually delivered lines like this keep this channel in the top tier of Survivor TH-cam.
It wasn’t towards the finalists, but the Cagayan jury was absurdly bitter towards Kass. I genuinely find it difficult to watch her ponderosa, and the hate she receives from the cast there and in Cambodia feels really overblown from everything I’ve seen from her.
@@loganbrown6987 I feel like taking Kass's word on who she beats at the end should be taken with giant heaps of salt. Again, everyone literally avoided her at pondy.
I think a big part of it is she was just completely unlikable. Not in a “oh you betrayed me” kind of way. But a you’re a horrible person and I don’t want to know you.
Bitter juries are inherently part of the game. The jury is allowed to feel however they want to, and whoever wins as a result, is still how the game is played. Now does that mean the winner is suppose to be liked by the fans? Nope.
@@esdeathisbae9480 I view it as robbed in the sense that they deserve to win a game- just not that season. That's just me though. A finalist can 100% play a winning game- just not the winning game for that season.
honestly, with how bitter Scot was in his final tribal, its a surprise he went out with a lot less kicking, screaming, and wishes for his fellow contestants to get bit by a freaking crocodile
He just stole the camp tools and put out the fires. I think he was less bitter on the way out because he was already bitter once he realized his game was over before that lol.
The All-Stars jury was so incredibly nasty, they actually managed to tear down Rob to the point of him holding back tears. Just listen to the way he answers Alicia’s question.
Lex is such a hypocrite… did he not remember what he did to Ethan just a few tribal councils back… When I first watched the season when it aired I was actually on the side of the jury, for the most part (not Tom or Alicia), but now I see all of them being hyprocites and glad amber won lol
Gabon definitely had the most bitter jury. The Onion alliance were hella mad a 40 year old mother, emotional trainwreck, and old man outplayed them.. Especially Corrine. Her jury speech was disgusting.
i love the final 3 of that season, so out of nowhere and random that it works. I remember seeing on another video with sugar in it where someone mentioned that it felt like she, at some point, started to play less with the intention of winning, and more with trying to get who she deemed to be the nicest people to the final. If i were in a show like survivor I’d probably try and do something like that to for the fun of it
I don't think Corrine was really THAT bitter. It's clear her main priority in the game was to be famous and a lot of her insults just seemed like her trying to manufacture drama and be as mean as possible to get the most screentime.
I'm genuinely curious 🤔 Who EXACTLY did Lex betray in All Stars? If you're answer is Colby...❌️ Srike one! He and Colby weren't even actual friends before the game. Colby flat out ignored Lex, but then two weeks before they left for All Stars, Colby tries hitting up Lex and acting like they've always been buds. If your answer is Ethan ❌️❌️ Strike two! He and Ethan are good friends and had a solid alliance in Africa. That doesn't mean the alliance automatically carries over into All Stars, and Lex never made any kind of deal to help protect Eithan in the game, so theidea that he did the same thing that Rob did to him is complete BS. If your answer is Jerri... ❌️❌️❌️ Strike three! You're Out! Lex protected Jerri for a few votes and let her in on what was happening, but he NEVER promised her a concrete position in his and Kathy's alliance. So WHO did he betray?
@@roger_towny_jr Didn't Lex literally say as he was voting each of them out in turn that it wasn't about friendship? He is the one that used the word.
@@joshduckworth1627 I don't see how that has anything to do with the question at hand. This is about weather or not Lex actually gave his word then betrayed that word.
@@roger_towny_jrfirst of all Lex had a goal to play the game differently than he did in Africa but he failed He voted out Colby because he feared he would go on a immunity run in the post merge so he voted him out even though he could have used Colby as a meat shield Ethan was voted out because Lex wanted to be all business and tried to make the vote not a blindside while Ethan was trying to save himself Jerri was a victim of Lex and Kathy’s plan to exploit Rib’s favor to save Amber even though Rob would still not live up to his promise so Lex decided to vote out Jerri but he didn’t want to be that type of person so he wanted to tell Jerri to make the blow not that bad Bonus point to make; Lex tried to be all business but when Rob came to Lex and said he can’t help him,Lex got emotional about Rob being all business
@@nvm9040 Reguardless of how true or false your statements are, none of this has ANYTHING to do with weather or not Lex actually betrayed anyone. Lex even says, in his own boot episode, "I have made a huge mistake. A game ending blunder." So it's not like Lex is oblivious that this is a game and how he only has himself to blame... He's STILL allowed to be upset that his real life friend came to him nearly in tears begging him to protect Amber only for him to then stab him in the back, and then have the audacity to laugh about it and proceed to be a cocky POS for the rest of the game.
my favorite thing about the Fiji jury is that Stacey was the nicest, fan favorite game changer legend queen strikes again 💕 (also Michelle asking Cassandra if she deserved a million dollars because she couldnt swim was absolutely top tier)
I was a kid when I watched Survivor Fiji and I remember being shocked by the vitriol the jury showed the FTC. Watching this now, I feel a lot of sympathy for Dreamz because he was in a no-win position. The jury sucked.
Take a look at some videos on the "Four Horsemen" alliance he had been on. He absolutely deserved to lose for backstabbing people the whole way through and not even trying to look conflicted. He even had the option on the previous council to trade his idol for the 2nd best reward, agreed beforehand, and then went back on it at the council. His play was the embodiment of winning the battle just to lose the war.
He wasn't in a no-win position. He was going home with an expensive truck and 100 grand one way or another. Earl said it best; he wouldn't have taken Yau Man's deal and thus would never have been in a position like that.
IT was truly no win, but if he gave the Idol to Yau-man on the condition of sending him to fire, he would at least have respect. Earl and Yau would take all the votes, but he coulda had a villain to hero arc regardless if he beats cassandra.
Lex was BOOED at the All-Stars Reunion, and was Shunned by so many fans that he was NEVER asked to come back, and even if he was asked, he would Never return, after the Years & Years of Ridicule he got back in 2004. Personally, I always HATED Lex!!!
I believe he was asked for 40 before it became all winners & he was asked for blood vs water but he declined because he did not want to play against a family member
That season helped make Rob into a survivor star and get his soul mate, bitter jury or not he was a winner too. And later he won his season (in a meh season) with a still somewhat entertaining dominating game.
I really do miss the old final jury style though where they each get to stand up and say their piece. The open forum style now is just not nearly as impactful
Never mind betraying Ethan and Colby, Lex was mad that someone dared vote against him. It's no wonder he would be as salty in All Stars, and the funny thing is, he could've and should've been the first member of the jury in Africa. He's too emotional for the game.
@@Shutterbun4 Because he played the "we're friends in real life" card with Rob, but when he was voting out Ethan and Colby (who were his real-life friends), it was "this is all business; no hard feelings."
I love seeing Dave’s Ponderosa’s video because when he arrived, everyone was there being such a good sport about it. They recognised that it was a game and that just because he outplayed them, there didn’t need to be animosity.
The “Survivor: Palau” jury was very bitter with Katie and to an extent Tom. Also “Survivor: Guatemala” jury was bitter towards Stephenie and “Survivor: Vanuatu” jury was bitter towards Twila.
Russel is great at playing to get to the end and terrible at playing to win. There were things he said and did that weren't necessary and were simply mean so I don't think I could vote for him either. And yeah, Rob's game wasn't perfect in All Stars, but he did great both physically and strategically and Lex was such a hypocrite. He burns Colby and Ethan who thought they'd go far with him but he got rid of them for "his game" which was what Rob then does. I love what Shi-Ann says and the fact Rob proposes before the votes so it means technically Rob and Amber both won anyways.
Like Lex, you backstabbed ethan and said to his face you can't save him, but when rob outplays you for you doing a dumb play, aye man, it's nothin personal, it's just a game
Lex is 100% the most bitter juror ever, I would never want to sit across from him lol I've always wondered if Amber would have played again if Rob had won
Then how do you explain why was he in no way bitter at either Kim or Ethan his first time around? Especially given the circumstances that he was robbed in both the last two challenges, first by supposedly getting a question wrong that he actually had right, and losing the second because of his sickness.
Didn't Lex do the same thing to Ethan a couple episodes earlier? I don't know why he was so salty. Sat Ethan down and said we are friends but im gonna vote you out...
Julia also didn’t like Aubry. In her Jury Speaks video she says she had a harder time connecting with Aubry than anyone else on the island. That makes 4 out of 7 jurors who were never going to vote for her
Also Michele just owned tribal councils and was must better at the performative aspect of the game (which in fairness- she did become the underdog as the merge progressed). I believe for GC or EoE, Aubry said one thing she learned from Kaoh Rong aka Michele was to be quiet at camp but vocal at tribal councils. Point is, Michele made a point for her narrative to be shown (alongside her impeccable social game).
Would love to see a video maybe about closest survivor winners? Unless that's a large or boring number. Just wondering how tight some wins have been amongst the finalists. A great video as always! Not surprised by number 1, but always pretty funny to watch.
I love it that she just made herself look more foolish.. possibly one of my most disliked players ever..... along with corinne.. who talked a mean game but didn't deliver in the game at all. Then went too far at final tribal.. just nasty
I always felt bad for Parv in HvV. I like feel like she had to work with Russel because no one, other than Dani was willing to align with her. It wasn’t in her best interest to cut him since it would put her at risk up until the end. I feel like she got unfairly knocked for working with him because he was useful to her. Not saying Sandra shouldn’t have won only that the jury respected that Parv has to play with what she had. Russel was willing to play an idol on her when he could have been the one going out, you don’t give up people willing to take bullets for you.
@@nvm9040 they knew her game but Sugar never cared about winning in the final tribal regardless, why would someone who puts not effort to win ACTUALLY win? SHe easily could've gotten everyone but Corinnes vote (even Randy if she apologized)
I could kinda deal with Lex in Africa, but his hypocrisy is front and center in the All-stars jury. If Rob was the one betrayed, there's no chance in hell he's even half as bitter.
I’m thinking had amber been voted out before the merge in all stars lex & his alliance would have targeted rob at the merge & he might have been the merge boot on all stars
People too often confuse “bitter juries” with “incorrect outcomes”. Cagayan was a lot more hostile than 43 and yet it’s the latter that’s more often described as bitter (even after only a month). But I guess it’s more difficult to get mad at an obviously understandable choice than accept the decision between 3 mid choices
I don’t think 43s jury made the incorrect decision. Gabler player a better under the radar game than cassidy, his jury management and threat level management was a masterclass. Cassidy doesn’t even know what those two terms mean
I mean, let's get real. Dreamz telling the AUDIENCE that he wanted his son to be proud of him and so he'd never go back on his word only to two episodes later renege on his deal was scummy. He can lie to the other players all he wants, that's the game. But what was the point of him doing that in a confessional that only the audience at home can see???? I found myself applauding Alex, Edgardo and Yau Man's lashings. It was super satisfying to hear them rip into Dreamz. Fuck Dreamz. He was shitty and cowardly and played stupidly. Destroying his alliance and taking Yau Man's deal were both stupid ideas.
The thing that can completely ruin a season is when the Jury takes things way too personally. I knew All-Stars would be on the list without even looking at the thumbnail.
What’s funny is most of the time with these really bitter juries you’re thinking to yourself “Well as an audience that wasn’t personally affected, I can tell their strategy doesn’t deserve this much hate.” But with RUSSELL I just think “WOW this jury (Samoa specifically) doesn’t know the HALF OF IT” He thinks his game should be respected when he literally lied about being a firefighter in Katrina??? That’s what we all mean by nasty lies.
"Scot would definitely be in the championship for most bitter jurors ever, and this time he's not just on the bench" Omg, you really need to be a comedy writer. Every video has so many amazing jokes.
I get All-Stars are first... but I still think Fiji takes the cake because it was just everyone being unnecessarily mean to all of the jurors (even Yau-Man to an extent). I think the way that final tribal went really drags down the season in my rankings from below average to bad. It also probably cost at least one or two players (Alex in particular) their chance of coming back and playing again. The All-Stars one people were hurt, but it was far more of a betrayed hurt than anything else that they had very little time to come around on before FTC. Fiji was just being being mean for the sake of being mean.
I think Fiji was bad cause Dreams screwed Yau-man when let's face it could at worst tie earl and best beat at final tribal if how everyone treated him was to go by. It felt like Yau was robbed all case Dreams went back on his deal if he was taken out before then Ican see maybe the Jury being less bitter. Not even taking into account that even Earl voted for Yau-man instead of at least giving him a 2-2 firemaking challenge.
HvV isn’t close to being the most bitter jury in my opinion. Russell is one of the most bitter losers of all time. Jerri was ready to vote for Russell until FTC, but his answers made her change her mind. Ponderosa videos for HvV showed a bunch of people goofing off.
Big Tom I get why he was so bitter with the all stars jury haha some of the other ones were like ehhh idk why Alicia was so bitter. Shii Ann was on point with the people in glass houses hahaha. The Samoa jury was so bitter and it came across as bitter that they were outplayed by Russell. H vs V jury Russell had no shot at winning both Sandra and Pavorti made big moves and did a lot in the game without burning as much bridges as Russell. Funny to think but with how bitter that jury was if he took Jerri to the end she probably wins it.
Lex was one of the biggest hypocrites in Survivor history. He was mad that Rob played Lex’s game better than Lex himself. Even today watching Lex declaring who would be voted out at each tribal like he’s a Survivor God still irritates me.
No surprise about the number one jury in this list. That FTC is TOUGH to watch. Season 8 feels like a turning point for the show where “villains” (aka smart strategists) started to emerge as the true stars of the show.
Should the 19/20 juries really be so high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on either season be more than calmly frustrated at the finalists. To me it seems like they're here less because of the bitterness in the juries (yeah they are but I don't see how it's moreso than the 3rd to fifth on this list or indeed several juries that could have been honorably mentioned) and more because they are part of the mythos of bitter juries. In other words the truly bitter one was Russell.
I think what people hate a lot about the Koah Rong Final Tribal was that Remove a Juror twist. Hadn't been used before and hasn't been used since and Aubry got royally screwed by it.
@@NickWuebker Michele had locked in votes. If Neal made some cringey speech attacking Michele like he did after he was removed from the jury, that just would’ve given people sympathy for Michele. Neal being on the jury just gives Aubry one more vote which doesn’t change anything.
It is valid to be bitter but it is not valid to deny the fact that some people have won ONLY because of that bitterness. (Amber, Natalie White). I will say the Chris win is something entirely in its own category. The endge of extinction players basically wanted to win by proxy. They told him what moves to make when he returned because they wanted their summer camp buddy to win it "for them."
I have no issue with people being bitter. It's why this game is so interesting and a jury being bitter to you doesn't mean you've lost. Look at Mike in world's apart he blew up his game at the auction and had to win challenges/idol his way to end. For many players that would get a vote or two. Some would respect the player who despite all odds made it, or one of there allies would toss them a vote. Mike was able to win the jury back despite burying his game. I mean Dan might be one of the pettiest players ever, but Mike won him back. You just need to understand your jury. It can be hard but it's why I love Mike as a winner. He didn't just win challenges/play idols. He was able to repair the bounds he broke vs. one of the just meanest seasons of players. Which shows that even when it seems like people would just vote against you for spite like Boston Rob in All-Stars you just need to play the jury to get there vote. Whether it's genuine or not.
One thing that always gets me when people try to pull the whole "Bitter Jury" argument is that people in a season who will inevitably become Jurors don't begin "bitter". On Day 1, they don't go in thinking "I'm going to hate everybody and I'll NEVER vote for that guy with the hat over there who I've never spoken to". People do things to others that CAUSE them to become "bitter". To attempt to call a Juror or Jury "bitter" is to take responsibility away from the player who they didn't vote for to win.
No, some people are bitter simply because they lost. Everyone knows there is such a thing as sore losers. It is situational, sometimes the finalists do things unnecessary or rude to the jury. But sometimes (from what we see) they simply play the game.
@@gregatkins2156 The thing is, if they're just bitter because they lost, it isn't going to impact the game since it isn't targeted and would fall on everyone equally. If someone loses because of a bitter jury it means that they played in a way to make the jury bitter toward them, or others did things to counteract it toward themselves.
Bitter juries are not an excuse for your favorite not winning guys, it’s part of the game, and just face the fact that the person you wanted to win had to do something to make them bitter
@@thumbhead3370 That's the game and humanity overall though. Everyone is allowed to process how the game went in their own. Only juries that I can think of (IMO) that were totally uncalled for were All Stars (hypocrites), Scott/Jason (hypocrites) and 42 (that whole situation).
I've equated fans thinking some strategic mastermind or dominant player got robbed to a team who throws more hits in hockey, but gets outscored and loses. Hitting has its strategic value, and a team that outhits the other often sets themselves up nicely to win. It also looks really impressive to spectators and like they're "dominating" the game. But if you get outscored, you indisputably lost. The point of Survivor is to sway subjective, human voters to vote for you. If you don't, then you lost, no matter how dominant you looked in the dozen hours out of 39 days that viewers saw. And now I've commented on Survivor by comparing it to something arguably even more niche. Success!
Without watching first, some predictions: All Stars, Samoa & Kaoh Rong - Top 3 Possibly includes Cagayan (Hella bitter towards Kass, and Tony until Spencer spoke), as well as Nicaragua & Redemple Temple. HvV maybe too, but these are just some guesses and I'm only 100% certain that those first three are on the list without watching first
I forgot to respond, watched it, agree mostly, although I’d have KR higher than 5, and I forgot about Gabon, but I feel it was more so just everyone hates Sugar and the only true bitter people were Corinne and Randy. Aside from that, solid list.
Ah lex, one of the biggest entitled losers in survivor history. Tells everyone else it is just business then has a hissy fit when he gets a single vote in Africa, followed up by turning on Ethan and then when Rob turns he becomes holier than thou. Dude was such an embarrassment.
The jury was NOT bitter on 43. They've literally all said in their interviews and I'm not allowing the fandom to change the narrative just because they're mad she didn't win. The jury and the final three say they weren't bitter. And if you made the jury bitter, you just lost. You didn't play a great game if you make them all hate you. Big moves, great alliances, betrayals, challenge wins... they mean nothing if the jury doesn't value them. This isn't a game about betrayals. This is a game about getting the jury to vote for you by whatever THEY value. If they don't value your behavior? You're going to lose.
the main reason the 43 jury claims they didnt vote for cassidy was because she didnt give up her immunity to take on jesse in fire making, which really just reinforces everything thats wrong with that twist. i fully respect that you need to be able to perceive the game that the jury wants you to play in order to get their votes, but nobody should ever have to give up their immunity at that point to sway the jury. any juror that puts so much weight on fire making does not respect the game. and i dont think it would have made a difference if cassidy did give up her immunity after heidi did so the following season to take out the biggest threat and they didnt respect her for that. it was just a convenient excuse for them to use because they got backlash for letting gabler win.
Some jury members are impossible due to their bloated egos, as well as hypocrisy. The latter was especially notable in HvV. Candice betrayed her tribe on both her seasons, and Rupert stole everything from the other tribe on PI, and Jerri accused Kel for smuggling beef jerky, yet they whine about someone else being a villain????? Give me a break
Not excusing him, but I think Rupert's just a guy who wholeheartedly and earnestly embraced the "theme" of the season. In PI, he was a pirate. In HvV, he was "heroic" and called out the dastardly villains.
@@Rodanguirus maybe, but it makes him look more hypocritical than heroic, especially after he went against Tom. He also sounded very pathetic in that banana rant.
@@slimbish605 how so? Sounds more like an excuse to her dumb decision, and it was not the first time she makes a dumb decision. We also know she tends to run excuses and/or play the victim, as she did multiple times throughout her time on the show.
Russell's first loss was pure bitterness. His 2nd loss was because both women in the final 3 played better than him and had more pre-game relationships. So, he only lost due to a bitter jury once. Parvati was punished more by a bitter jury than Russel who didnt even deserve one vote.
Venus said in a cameo, that Maria instantly began campaigning against Charlie as soon as she touched down on Ponderosa. Venus said Maria had a scorched earth mentality. Damn.
Want to appreciate the actual decent members of the Fiji jury: Michelle and Yau-Man. I also think Rocky was mostly fine, I just don't like how much he harped on Anthony pre-merge for being so passive and not being a "real" man by being aggressive
The jury element is PRECISELY what makes the game so compelling, though. If it was simply "lie and backstab as much as you need" then it would be complete trash. It's that tightrope walk that makes winning Survivor as prestigious as it is.
@Shutterbun4 And that is what ruins the game of Survivor. People winning by default often ruins an otherwise great season. The jury is precisely the main problem with this game - among other problems such as Redemption Island and all these weird advantages.
For the seventeen millionth time... LEX! NEVER! MADE! ANY! KIND! OF DEAL! WITH ETHAN! THEN MERCILESSLY BETRAYED HIM THE FIRST CHANCE HE GOT! That never happened. Also, untrue about Colby. He was incredibly not cool with Lex until two weeks before they left for All Stars, then suddenly acts like they were always buds.
Also Lex and Rob had a real friendship, and Rob asked a game favor on that friendship/ All you need to see is Lex on the jury in Africa to know he’s not a bitter dude in nature. Intense, but not unfair
Ill never get over Bob getting hate for not letting himself be tricked by giving up his idol. They acted like it was evil of him to see through their plan.
“They” as in just Kenny. I liked Kenny until that move, when Kenny became the biggest whiney dick 🙄
@@freddytang2128 Ah yes. Couldn't remember the name. Thank you.
yeah, I was rooting for Kenny until he was mad at Bob for not falling for his BS, especially since Kenny screwed his own game by not fully committing to him and Crystal flipping to Bob and Corrine.
@@josabby474 His plan was never to flip to Bob and Corinne since he intended to go to F3 with Crystal and either Susie or Sugar. Kenny simply voted for Matty because Bob and Corinne had promised him their Jury votes if he did so, and Matty had even been aware that Kenny would vote for him at Final 7 (as Kenny himself told him he was doing it, although he didn't say that was why) and was okay with it.
@@SpanishFly120 even though his plan was never to flip to Bob, he still had no right to be mad at Bob for not giving up the immunity necklace. Since he was never with Bob, he had absolutely no right to be angry or act like Bob had betrayed him. That’s just arrogant entitlement.
Danielle's jury speech in HvV has always hit me hard because it never feels particularly bitter. She, of every jury member, has the right to be bitter and to use her jury speech as a way of telling Russell exactly how he made her feel because the way he voted her out was horrible. How he speaks to her and treats her leads to her breaking down in tears in the tribal she's voted out at, and there was absolutely no strategic advantage to voting her out. Russell could have easily gone to final three with Parv and Danielle.
But instead of being bitter and insulting him, she simply sums up that from what's happened so far, the jury clearly does not like him. She tells him that and that he isn't going to get any votes, and then she gives him a chance to apologise and to try and claw back any respect he can. She pretty much lays it out on a silver platter and he tosses it aside. And when he does, she simply says "okay, that's too bad." She was probably the nicest to Russell and he didn't deserve it.
I've always held a lot of respect for Danielle for that. As much as I enjoy some of the more personal bitter jury speeches like Trish in Cagayan, I much prefer someone who recognises that it's a game and treats it as such. And the strength it takes to look past the fact that this man made you have an emotional breakdown and offer him a chance to apologise for _anything he did in the game_ is fucking admirable.
Danielle also knew a lot about jury management and its pitfalls herself, having been a finalist and lost the game
It's amazing cuz in general I don't care for Danielle but that FTC speech may be one of my favorites in the whole show
Agree. Danielle is such a kind and nice person. She didn't deserve to be treated like that for nothing.
The way she looks at him and silently said “that’s too bad” is actually pretty chilling.
Bahah no Russell wouldn't have gotten her vote even if he apologised. Similar to Brenda in Caramoan she just wanted him to grovel in hopes of getting votes.
Imagine voting Amber so that Rob doesn’t get anything, just for them to get married right before the vote😭
*engaged not married
@@gerstein03 same thing
@@willipig2270 No it’s really not
@@OldBenKenobi2318It really is
Rob won without winning!
Honestly, the bitterness from the Fiji jury was the fact that they could not believe they lost to Dreamz. Dreamz was an uneducated homeless man and Alex was a Harvard educated lawyer. I guarantee you that Alex's ego was smashed seeing Dreamz in the final 3.
Ironic, Alex said Dreamz that he was not example for kids. When Alex was arrested for selling drugs.
Also a lot of them liked Yau and saw what Dreamz did as super sleazy
Dreamz kinda dug his own grave after what he did to yau
@@renatomatos90 He was arrested for marijuana possession, not selling it.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong Yeah that doesn’t make it any less wrong.
man i love shii-ann, she was easily the person who had it the hardest socially in that season yet she was so composed and classy during that tribal
Her winning the bucket challenge is one of my all time favorite survivor moments.
They gave away a car at the reunion and Amber picked Shi-Ann.
Genuinely wonder how she didn’t win fan favorite or wasn’t in the top 2
The Gabon jury and Fiji jury are the perfect examples of when bullying somehow works for tv and how it absolutely does not work for tv. I mean Randy’s a dick but I’d rather watch him on ten juries than see Alex or Lisi grandstand even once.
I’ll give Alex a pass because apparently while it wasn’t shown for some reason, Cassandra was pretty hateful towards him and Edgardo and would talk down to them for communicating with each other in Spanish, which is where his “do I need Edgardo to translate for me” comment comes from.
Lisi was just miserable though
@@ursquidicuss8964 if it’s true, it makes Cassandra extra pitiful, and she already looked pitiful enough with her pretty dumb answers
randy is one thing but i thought corrine's jury speech was just as bad as any of the aforementioned fiji ones
@@uglyaniimals as much as I like Corinne’s brutal cast assessments, and as irritating as Sugar was quite a few times, I unfortunately have to agree that this speech at the ftc was disgusting and pointless. Worse than all the jurors in Fiji, maybe except for Lisi.
There’s also bullying from the eventual finalists. Specifically Will Sims. I don’t care how annoying someone can be, there’s no justification to the way he talked to Shirin. It’s even pettier that it’s over a legitimate game assumption. I won’t be surprised if it played a big factor in him only getting a jury vote from Rodney, who was also quite an obnoxious bully.
"...in a move Debbie saw as toothless. It's the Brenda and Dawn scenario all over again."
Casually delivered lines like this keep this channel in the top tier of Survivor TH-cam.
Apparently, Corrine tried to crash a birthday party to "Apologise" to Sugar.
And Randy and Sugar made up IRL
Well now they've un made up
Randy is awesome
Ngl they should've just skipped the Final Tribal in Fiji and just gave Earl the million
No way. I needed to see Dreamz get his balls stomped on. It can't happen enough.
It wasn’t towards the finalists, but the Cagayan jury was absurdly bitter towards Kass. I genuinely find it difficult to watch her ponderosa, and the hate she receives from the cast there and in Cambodia feels really overblown from everything I’ve seen from her.
The crazy thing is according to kass she would’ve won against woo
Yeah I remember that even LJ and Jefra were ignoring her. Like wtf she didn't vote for either of them
@@loganbrown6987 I feel like taking Kass's word on who she beats at the end should be taken with giant heaps of salt. Again, everyone literally avoided her at pondy.
@@loganbrown6987 yea of course she said that lol. Complete bs by Kass
I think a big part of it is she was just completely unlikable. Not in a “oh you betrayed me” kind of way. But a you’re a horrible person and I don’t want to know you.
Bitter juries are inherently part of the game. The jury is allowed to feel however they want to, and whoever wins as a result, is still how the game is played. Now does that mean the winner is suppose to be liked by the fans? Nope.
That's fine but but players who lose aren't robbed because they didn't understand what their jury wanted
Agree 100%
Good gameplay and good television are always going to be at odds. And I'm 100% cool with that. Makes the game more deep and interesting.
@@thefoxoflaurels3437 that's a good way to look at it Russel is great television but he got outplayed by 2 "dumbass girls"
@@esdeathisbae9480 I view it as robbed in the sense that they deserve to win a game- just not that season. That's just me though. A finalist can 100% play a winning game- just not the winning game for that season.
honestly, with how bitter Scot was in his final tribal, its a surprise he went out with a lot less kicking, screaming, and wishes for his fellow contestants to get bit by a freaking crocodile
"Scumbags"
Jud
Wrong guy
He just stole the camp tools and put out the fires. I think he was less bitter on the way out because he was already bitter once he realized his game was over before that lol.
@@itstheref kinda like Sandra was after the Rupert vote on PI, only without screaming and cursing like a brat.
The All-Stars jury was so incredibly nasty, they actually managed to tear down Rob to the point of him holding back tears. Just listen to the way he answers Alicia’s question.
Rob pretty much seemed like he was ready to say "Can I just give up my spot and you all stop ripping me, and just give Ambuh the win?"
Pre game alliances really showed this season
Lex, Alicia,Kathy. Rob had no chance
@@murtamp9828 dude looked ready to dig a hole in the ground to hide inside.
Lex is such a hypocrite… did he not remember what he did to Ethan just a few tribal councils back…
When I first watched the season when it aired I was actually on the side of the jury, for the most part (not Tom or Alicia), but now I see all of them being hyprocites and glad amber won lol
Gabon definitely had the most bitter jury. The Onion alliance were hella mad a 40 year old mother, emotional trainwreck, and old man outplayed them.. Especially Corrine. Her jury speech was disgusting.
i love the final 3 of that season, so out of nowhere and random that it works.
I remember seeing on another video with sugar in it where someone mentioned that it felt like she, at some point, started to play less with the intention of winning, and more with trying to get who she deemed to be the nicest people to the final. If i were in a show like survivor I’d probably try and do something like that to for the fun of it
I don't think Corrine was really THAT bitter. It's clear her main priority in the game was to be famous and a lot of her insults just seemed like her trying to manufacture drama and be as mean as possible to get the most screentime.
“Candice heroically sums this up” I always enjoy the Candice shade 😂😂😂😂 ☠️
She’s absolutely right though, which makes her even more of an…interesting…Survivor
Lex betraying: 🙁
Lex betrayed: 😱
I'm genuinely curious 🤔
Who EXACTLY did Lex betray in All Stars?
If you're answer is Colby...❌️ Srike one!
He and Colby weren't even actual friends before the game. Colby flat out ignored Lex, but then two weeks before they left for All Stars, Colby tries hitting up Lex and acting like they've always been buds.
If your answer is Ethan ❌️❌️ Strike two!
He and Ethan are good friends and had a solid alliance in Africa. That doesn't mean the alliance automatically carries over into All Stars, and Lex never made any kind of deal to help protect Eithan in the game, so theidea that he did the same thing that Rob did to him is complete BS.
If your answer is Jerri... ❌️❌️❌️ Strike three! You're Out!
Lex protected Jerri for a few votes and let her in on what was happening, but he NEVER promised her a concrete position in his and Kathy's alliance.
So WHO did he betray?
@@roger_towny_jr Didn't Lex literally say as he was voting each of them out in turn that it wasn't about friendship? He is the one that used the word.
@@joshduckworth1627 I don't see how that has anything to do with the question at hand.
This is about weather or not Lex actually gave his word then betrayed that word.
@@roger_towny_jrfirst of all Lex had a goal to play the game differently than he did in Africa but he failed
He voted out Colby because he feared he would go on a immunity run in the post merge so he voted him out even though he could have used Colby as a meat shield
Ethan was voted out because Lex wanted to be all business and tried to make the vote not a blindside while Ethan was trying to save himself
Jerri was a victim of Lex and Kathy’s plan to exploit Rib’s favor to save Amber even though Rob would still not live up to his promise so Lex decided to vote out Jerri but he didn’t want to be that type of person so he wanted to tell Jerri to make the blow not that bad
Bonus point to make; Lex tried to be all business but when Rob came to Lex and said he can’t help him,Lex got emotional about Rob being all business
@@nvm9040 Reguardless of how true or false your statements are, none of this has ANYTHING to do with weather or not Lex actually betrayed anyone.
Lex even says, in his own boot episode, "I have made a huge mistake. A game ending blunder." So it's not like Lex is oblivious that this is a game and how he only has himself to blame...
He's STILL allowed to be upset that his real life friend came to him nearly in tears begging him to protect Amber only for him to then stab him in the back, and then have the audacity to laugh about it and proceed to be a cocky POS for the rest of the game.
my favorite thing about the Fiji jury is that Stacey was the nicest, fan favorite game changer legend queen strikes again 💕 (also Michelle asking Cassandra if she deserved a million dollars because she couldnt swim was absolutely top tier)
Also Yao Man, he was one least bitter.
Stacey wasn’t nice
@@JuanRodriguez-tf7fh during the jury segment she sure as shit was the nicest, which is the irony
Michele's tribal council is underrated she does not have one bad answer and Aubrey sort of plays the Twilia to her Chris.
I was a kid when I watched Survivor Fiji and I remember being shocked by the vitriol the jury showed the FTC.
Watching this now, I feel a lot of sympathy for Dreamz because he was in a no-win position. The jury sucked.
Take a look at some videos on the "Four Horsemen" alliance he had been on. He absolutely deserved to lose for backstabbing people the whole way through and not even trying to look conflicted.
He even had the option on the previous council to trade his idol for the 2nd best reward, agreed beforehand, and then went back on it at the council. His play was the embodiment of winning the battle just to lose the war.
He wasn't in a no-win position. He was going home with an expensive truck and 100 grand one way or another. Earl said it best; he wouldn't have taken Yau Man's deal and thus would never have been in a position like that.
IT was truly no win, but if he gave the Idol to Yau-man on the condition of sending him to fire, he would at least have respect. Earl and Yau would take all the votes, but he coulda had a villain to hero arc regardless if he beats cassandra.
Lex was BOOED at the All-Stars Reunion, and was Shunned by so many fans that he was NEVER asked to come back, and even if he was asked, he would Never return, after the Years & Years of Ridicule he got back in 2004.
Personally, I always HATED Lex!!!
I believe he was asked for 40 before it became all winners & he was asked for blood vs water but he declined because he did not want to play against a family member
I just want survivor to last long enough for a Romber kid to play 😂
I mean, if Katie has played already, who we saw as a kid in Australian Outback, and Cirie's kid almost played DvG, maybe tbh.
I'd love that, see how much a daughter would play like the Rob-Father.
I have a feeling 50 will be the last season
The bitter jury was worth it, for Rob and Amber. 20 years on they’re still going strong, have a beautiful family and a robust bank account.
That season helped make Rob into a survivor star and get his soul mate, bitter jury or not he was a winner too. And later he won his season (in a meh season) with a still somewhat entertaining dominating game.
I really do miss the old final jury style though where they each get to stand up and say their piece. The open forum style now is just not nearly as impactful
I agree. It's so cringy the way they do it now.
Couldn’t agree more, the new way is such an epic fail
Never mind betraying Ethan and Colby, Lex was mad that someone dared vote against him. It's no wonder he would be as salty in All Stars, and the funny thing is, he could've and should've been the first member of the jury in Africa. He's too emotional for the game.
How did he "betray" Ethan and Colby? They didn't even vote together! (except for Richard, which was a unanimous boot)
He tried to be all business
@@Shutterbun4 Because he played the "we're friends in real life" card with Rob, but when he was voting out Ethan and Colby (who were his real-life friends), it was "this is all business; no hard feelings."
@@RodanguirusThey were like best friends, he was right by being angry at Rob, Boston Rob attempted to even humilate him at the conversation both had
Are we gonna talk about the Brady Bunch of a jury that was David Vs Goliath? Everyone was genuinely happy at Ponderosa with every new arrival.
“Whoever organised that…is getting my vote”
I love seeing Dave’s Ponderosa’s video because when he arrived, everyone was there being such a good sport about it. They recognised that it was a game and that just because he outplayed them, there didn’t need to be animosity.
I still use that Tom quote all the time to my brother "Don't be stupid, stupid!"
Your videos are genius! The comedy, great editing, and knowledge of the game/show are tops, IMO.
The “Survivor: Palau” jury was very bitter with Katie and to an extent Tom. Also “Survivor: Guatemala” jury was bitter towards Stephenie and “Survivor: Vanuatu” jury was bitter towards Twila.
Russel is great at playing to get to the end and terrible at playing to win. There were things he said and did that weren't necessary and were simply mean so I don't think I could vote for him either.
And yeah, Rob's game wasn't perfect in All Stars, but he did great both physically and strategically and Lex was such a hypocrite. He burns Colby and Ethan who thought they'd go far with him but he got rid of them for "his game" which was what Rob then does. I love what Shi-Ann says and the fact Rob proposes before the votes so it means technically Rob and Amber both won anyways.
Like Lex, you backstabbed ethan and said to his face you can't save him, but when rob outplays you for you doing a dumb play, aye man, it's nothin personal, it's just a game
@@ImMajor_23 Yeah it was very hypocritical. That's the game.
Russell sucked at social game & final tribal council
Lex is 100% the most bitter juror ever, I would never want to sit across from him lol
I've always wondered if Amber would have played again if Rob had won
I mean you just have to see how he handled receiving two votes his first season.
@@elliefaunt1447 Remember how lovable Rupert handled his first vote against? He was ready to pop Fairplay's head off.
Then how do you explain why was he in no way bitter at either Kim or Ethan his first time around? Especially given the circumstances that he was robbed in both the last two challenges, first by supposedly getting a question wrong that he actually had right, and losing the second because of his sickness.
lol we would never hear Amber's name ever again
Didn't Lex do the same thing to Ethan a couple episodes earlier? I don't know why he was so salty. Sat Ethan down and said we are friends but im gonna vote you out...
Julia also didn’t like Aubry. In her Jury Speaks video she says she had a harder time connecting with Aubry than anyone else on the island. That makes 4 out of 7 jurors who were never going to vote for her
Also Michele just owned tribal councils and was must better at the performative aspect of the game (which in fairness- she did become the underdog as the merge progressed). I believe for GC or EoE, Aubry said one thing she learned from Kaoh Rong aka Michele was to be quiet at camp but vocal at tribal councils. Point is, Michele made a point for her narrative to be shown (alongside her impeccable social game).
Julia and Aubry had a rivalry all season which is sort of weird considering Michele was her big threat.
To be fair, I wouldn't like someone who wrote my name down then crossed it out at the very first round I went to vote with them.
-Julia-
Peter
@@airtempest8945 As iconic as that was in the moment, in hindsight, it was a totally bad move socially lol
Would love to see a video maybe about closest survivor winners? Unless that's a large or boring number. Just wondering how tight some wins have been amongst the finalists. A great video as always! Not surprised by number 1, but always pretty funny to watch.
wait wait wait... 11:48 Did you just say Candice did something heroic?... Are... you... feeling alright?
Candice? From Raro tribe?
Holy shit. Reciting eenie meenie miney mo to a group of 3 black finalists on national tv is certainly... a choice.
and then basically accusing one of them of not being able to count... god damn.
she literally looks like the typical racist too
I love it that she just made herself look more foolish.. possibly one of my most disliked players ever..... along with corinne.. who talked a mean game but didn't deliver in the game at all. Then went too far at final tribal.. just nasty
It was the 2000's where you could do this and not get roasted for this
I always felt bad for Parv in HvV. I like feel like she had to work with Russel because no one, other than Dani was willing to align with her. It wasn’t in her best interest to cut him since it would put her at risk up until the end. I feel like she got unfairly knocked for working with him because he was useful to her. Not saying Sandra shouldn’t have won only that the jury respected that Parv has to play with what she had. Russel was willing to play an idol on her when he could have been the one going out, you don’t give up people willing to take bullets for you.
Parvati should have won. Russell's mistake was Damielle & telling Parv about Jerri
What I find very funny is that Russell was one of the "Aubry got robbed" people.
I cant get over the fact that Sugar didnt get one vote, shes my winner
Sugar is one of best players in that final three
@@nvm9040 she IS the best player she played a phenomenal game in Gabon
@@sibernout7717 yes most definitely but the jury hated her so they were never going to recognize her game
@@nvm9040 they knew her game but Sugar never cared about winning in the final tribal regardless, why would someone who puts not effort to win ACTUALLY win? SHe easily could've gotten everyone but Corinnes vote (even Randy if she apologized)
@@sibernout7717 yea obviously if she did those things but she didn’t and those hurt her already dominant gameplay
All Stars on this list no way its not.
AFTER VIDEO: those poor back to back juries that had to deal with Russell.
Side note a soft number 6 could be the South Pacific jury just for they dealing Coach and Albert. They really had no choice but to vote for Sophie.
I could kinda deal with Lex in Africa, but his hypocrisy is front and center in the All-stars jury. If Rob was the one betrayed, there's no chance in hell he's even half as bitter.
I’m thinking had amber been voted out before the merge in all stars lex & his alliance would have targeted rob at the merge & he might have been the merge boot on all stars
People too often confuse “bitter juries” with “incorrect outcomes”. Cagayan was a lot more hostile than 43 and yet it’s the latter that’s more often described as bitter (even after only a month). But I guess it’s more difficult to get mad at an obviously understandable choice than accept the decision between 3 mid choices
Hostile yes but they still voted for tony which was the right call
I don’t think 43s jury made the incorrect decision. Gabler player a better under the radar game than cassidy, his jury management and threat level management was a masterclass. Cassidy doesn’t even know what those two terms mean
I didn't mind gabler winning it was more the fact that for some reason EVERYONE was OBSESSED with Cassidy when she did nothing
@@TransparentEclipseI’m not trying to debate the outcome but focus on what the general audience might be thinking
I worded that wrong I didn't think she was robbed that was just the general perception
I mean, let's get real. Dreamz telling the AUDIENCE that he wanted his son to be proud of him and so he'd never go back on his word only to two episodes later renege on his deal was scummy.
He can lie to the other players all he wants, that's the game. But what was the point of him doing that in a confessional that only the audience at home can see????
I found myself applauding Alex, Edgardo and Yau Man's lashings. It was super satisfying to hear them rip into Dreamz. Fuck Dreamz. He was shitty and cowardly and played stupidly. Destroying his alliance and taking Yau Man's deal were both stupid ideas.
HAHAHHAA 15:19
Luke: "Ethan alone dated like 30 women from the first 7 seasons"
Ethan: "That big"
The thing that can completely ruin a season is when the Jury takes things way too personally. I knew All-Stars would be on the list without even looking at the thumbnail.
Michelle, Yauman, Stacey, and surprisingly Rocky were decent jurors in Fiji.
Edgardo was okay, too. One question, and he was done.
What’s funny is most of the time with these really bitter juries you’re thinking to yourself “Well as an audience that wasn’t personally affected, I can tell their strategy doesn’t deserve this much hate.”
But with RUSSELL I just think “WOW this jury (Samoa specifically) doesn’t know the HALF OF IT”
He thinks his game should be respected when he literally lied about being a firefighter in Katrina??? That’s what we all mean by nasty lies.
Honorable mention to Ghost Island for Sebastian being a crybaby for being outsmarted by Dom and Kellyn straight up trying to bully Dom.
I just finished watching GI last week. Sea Bass was indeed bitter. Not to mention stupid and boring.
"Scot would definitely be in the championship for most bitter jurors ever, and this time he's not just on the bench" Omg, you really need to be a comedy writer. Every video has so many amazing jokes.
Even the lighting for the all stars final tribal makes it look eerie
The amount of work you put into the old man character with the make up is awesome!
I get All-Stars are first... but I still think Fiji takes the cake because it was just everyone being unnecessarily mean to all of the jurors (even Yau-Man to an extent). I think the way that final tribal went really drags down the season in my rankings from below average to bad. It also probably cost at least one or two players (Alex in particular) their chance of coming back and playing again.
The All-Stars one people were hurt, but it was far more of a betrayed hurt than anything else that they had very little time to come around on before FTC. Fiji was just being being mean for the sake of being mean.
I think Fiji was bad cause Dreams screwed Yau-man when let's face it could at worst tie earl and best beat at final tribal if how everyone treated him was to go by. It felt like Yau was robbed all case Dreams went back on his deal if he was taken out before then Ican see maybe the Jury being less bitter. Not even taking into account that even Earl voted for Yau-man instead of at least giving him a 2-2 firemaking challenge.
HvV isn’t close to being the most bitter jury in my opinion. Russell is one of the most bitter losers of all time. Jerri was ready to vote for Russell until FTC, but his answers made her change her mind. Ponderosa videos for HvV showed a bunch of people goofing off.
Great vid bud
Big Tom I get why he was so bitter with the all stars jury haha some of the other ones were like ehhh idk why Alicia was so bitter. Shii Ann was on point with the people in glass houses hahaha.
The Samoa jury was so bitter and it came across as bitter that they were outplayed by Russell. H vs V jury Russell had no shot at winning both Sandra and Pavorti made big moves and did a lot in the game without burning as much bridges as Russell. Funny to think but with how bitter that jury was if he took Jerri to the end she probably wins it.
Yeah, Rob was shit-talking Tom's son for no real reason (that we saw). I give him a bit of leeway in that whole deal.
Lex was one of the biggest hypocrites in Survivor history. He was mad that Rob played Lex’s game better than Lex himself. Even today watching Lex declaring who would be voted out at each tribal like he’s a Survivor God still irritates me.
"Don't be stupid, stupid" really sounds like an insult from a 5 year old
No surprise about the number one jury in this list. That FTC is TOUGH to watch. Season 8 feels like a turning point for the show where “villains” (aka smart strategists) started to emerge as the true stars of the show.
Should have mentioned the “I ❤ Rob” shirt was Ambers dig back at the jury, basically her own F yall
15:25 pissing myself at this, I love Ethan
I’d like to give a dishonorable mention of Ozzy in Micronesia. He was so whiny and pathetic in that ftc, it wasn’t even funny.
I'm with Big Tom on this one, the yoink was hilarious
Thanks for telling us you’re a 14 y.o🙂
@@otpyg13 It's not that serious
The rat and snake monolog from Sue, could have put me to sleep
Watch russels video on why he thinks he lost heroes versus villains. He has finally understood how unnecessarily horrible he was
I like this list, not one of these juries on here was surprising to see 👍
Should the 19/20 juries really be so high? I don't think I've ever seen anyone on either season be more than calmly frustrated at the finalists. To me it seems like they're here less because of the bitterness in the juries (yeah they are but I don't see how it's moreso than the 3rd to fifth on this list or indeed several juries that could have been honorably mentioned) and more because they are part of the mythos of bitter juries. In other words the truly bitter one was Russell.
I think what people hate a lot about the Koah Rong Final Tribal was that Remove a Juror twist. Hadn't been used before and hasn't been used since and Aubry got royally screwed by it.
It didn't really screw Aubry. The outcome of Michele winning is the same.
@@tmm4195 Not necessarily.
@@NickWuebker Michele had locked in votes. If Neal made some cringey speech attacking Michele like he did after he was removed from the jury, that just would’ve given people sympathy for Michele. Neal being on the jury just gives Aubry one more vote which doesn’t change anything.
@@tmm4195 The thing is we will never know.
@@AsraliaX2 True, all we can do is assume. Judging by how things turned out, I’m assuming nothing would’ve changed.
It is valid to be bitter but it is not valid to deny the fact that some people have won ONLY because of that bitterness. (Amber, Natalie White). I will say the Chris win is something entirely in its own category. The endge of extinction players basically wanted to win by proxy. They told him what moves to make when he returned because they wanted their summer camp buddy to win it "for them."
I have no issue with people being bitter. It's why this game is so interesting and a jury being bitter to you doesn't mean you've lost. Look at Mike in world's apart he blew up his game at the auction and had to win challenges/idol his way to end. For many players that would get a vote or two. Some would respect the player who despite all odds made it, or one of there allies would toss them a vote. Mike was able to win the jury back despite burying his game. I mean Dan might be one of the pettiest players ever, but Mike won him back.
You just need to understand your jury. It can be hard but it's why I love Mike as a winner. He didn't just win challenges/play idols. He was able to repair the bounds he broke vs. one of the just meanest seasons of players. Which shows that even when it seems like people would just vote against you for spite like Boston Rob in All-Stars you just need to play the jury to get there vote. Whether it's genuine or not.
“That big”. You’re wrong for that 😂
What’s with the diss on Jane at 10:40 I loved her in Nicaragua
One thing that always gets me when people try to pull the whole "Bitter Jury" argument is that people in a season who will inevitably become Jurors don't begin "bitter". On Day 1, they don't go in thinking "I'm going to hate everybody and I'll NEVER vote for that guy with the hat over there who I've never spoken to". People do things to others that CAUSE them to become "bitter". To attempt to call a Juror or Jury "bitter" is to take responsibility away from the player who they didn't vote for to win.
No, some people are bitter simply because they lost. Everyone knows there is such a thing as sore losers. It is situational, sometimes the finalists do things unnecessary or rude to the jury. But sometimes (from what we see) they simply play the game.
@@gregatkins2156 The thing is, if they're just bitter because they lost, it isn't going to impact the game since it isn't targeted and would fall on everyone equally. If someone loses because of a bitter jury it means that they played in a way to make the jury bitter toward them, or others did things to counteract it toward themselves.
Lex makes me so mad because he made so many choices that put himself over his “friends” in both seasons he was on
So hypocritical 🙄 😒
Bitter juries are not an excuse for your favorite not winning guys, it’s part of the game, and just face the fact that the person you wanted to win had to do something to make them bitter
This is silly. There are 100% plenty of instances of totally unreasonable jury behavior.
@@thumbhead3370 That's the game and humanity overall though. Everyone is allowed to process how the game went in their own. Only juries that I can think of (IMO) that were totally uncalled for were All Stars (hypocrites), Scott/Jason (hypocrites) and 42 (that whole situation).
I've equated fans thinking some strategic mastermind or dominant player got robbed to a team who throws more hits in hockey, but gets outscored and loses. Hitting has its strategic value, and a team that outhits the other often sets themselves up nicely to win. It also looks really impressive to spectators and like they're "dominating" the game. But if you get outscored, you indisputably lost. The point of Survivor is to sway subjective, human voters to vote for you. If you don't, then you lost, no matter how dominant you looked in the dozen hours out of 39 days that viewers saw.
And now I've commented on Survivor by comparing it to something arguably even more niche. Success!
Idk if this would even make for a good video but I wonder what would be considered the least bitter juries
Without watching first, some predictions:
All Stars, Samoa & Kaoh Rong - Top 3
Possibly includes Cagayan (Hella bitter towards Kass, and Tony until Spencer spoke), as well as Nicaragua & Redemple Temple. HvV maybe too, but these are just some guesses and I'm only 100% certain that those first three are on the list without watching first
I forgot to respond, watched it, agree mostly, although I’d have KR higher than 5, and I forgot about Gabon, but I feel it was more so just everyone hates Sugar and the only true bitter people were Corinne and Randy. Aside from that, solid list.
Ah lex, one of the biggest entitled losers in survivor history. Tells everyone else it is just business then has a hissy fit when he gets a single vote in Africa, followed up by turning on Ethan and then when Rob turns he becomes holier than thou. Dude was such an embarrassment.
I miss the bitter juries. I knew All-Stars would be #1.
I will not stand for this Cambodia slander. One of the few survivor seasons I can watch after the fact and still enjoy.
Nuh. I dont think being a bitter loser is ever acceptable. If you lose it means you lose fair & square. Its a game, get over it.
The jury was NOT bitter on 43. They've literally all said in their interviews and I'm not allowing the fandom to change the narrative just because they're mad she didn't win. The jury and the final three say they weren't bitter.
And if you made the jury bitter, you just lost. You didn't play a great game if you make them all hate you. Big moves, great alliances, betrayals, challenge wins... they mean nothing if the jury doesn't value them. This isn't a game about betrayals. This is a game about getting the jury to vote for you by whatever THEY value. If they don't value your behavior? You're going to lose.
the main reason the 43 jury claims they didnt vote for cassidy was because she didnt give up her immunity to take on jesse in fire making, which really just reinforces everything thats wrong with that twist. i fully respect that you need to be able to perceive the game that the jury wants you to play in order to get their votes, but nobody should ever have to give up their immunity at that point to sway the jury. any juror that puts so much weight on fire making does not respect the game. and i dont think it would have made a difference if cassidy did give up her immunity after heidi did so the following season to take out the biggest threat and they didnt respect her for that. it was just a convenient excuse for them to use because they got backlash for letting gabler win.
Cassidy really should have won though she is gorgeous too I love her
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Damn, that’s good
Some jury members are impossible due to their bloated egos, as well as hypocrisy. The latter was especially notable in HvV. Candice betrayed her tribe on both her seasons, and Rupert stole everything from the other tribe on PI, and Jerri accused Kel for smuggling beef jerky, yet they whine about someone else being a villain????? Give me a break
Not excusing him, but I think Rupert's just a guy who wholeheartedly and earnestly embraced the "theme" of the season. In PI, he was a pirate. In HvV, he was "heroic" and called out the dastardly villains.
@@Rodanguirus maybe, but it makes him look more hypocritical than heroic, especially after he went against Tom. He also sounded very pathetic in that banana rant.
Candice betrayed her HVV tribe for a good reason, they were so mean to her for literally 0 reason
@@slimbish605 how so? Sounds more like an excuse to her dumb decision, and it was not the first time she makes a dumb decision. We also know she tends to run excuses and/or play the victim, as she did multiple times throughout her time on the show.
Where is the Cagayan jury rank
I fuckin love ur videos
Lex was such a little girl 🙄
Ethan… that big
Amazing 😂
Sandra winning twice is the wildest thing to me…. But that’s how the cookie crumbles I guess 🤷🏽♂️
Russell's first loss was pure bitterness. His 2nd loss was because both women in the final 3 played better than him and had more pre-game relationships. So, he only lost due to a bitter jury once. Parvati was punished more by a bitter jury than Russel who didnt even deserve one vote.
Fitting that Rupert is on two of these juries. Would love to see a video on the most overrated players of all time. I have Rupert #1, Ozzie #2.
Michelle played the lamest game of the 3 when she won. Shes a horrible winner.
Lex is such a crybaby. How many people did he backstab and he has the nerve to lecture Rob.
Get Clarence over here! Where's his second chance? The man is hilarious on podcasts!
That’s what annoys me about Lex. His hypocrisy. That’s also notable with other jurors, like Candice and Debbie.
Are we forgetting about Marquesas? They all thought Kathy should have won and trashed Neleh
add Maria to this list
Oof, it’s even rougher watching Bens recent interview, where he said he would have picked Charlie in a tie easy.
And karla
Venus said in a cameo, that Maria instantly began campaigning against Charlie as soon as she touched down on Ponderosa. Venus said Maria had a scorched earth mentality. Damn.
Can survivor uk be included? The recent 2023, jury was extremely bitter. They weren't even ready to listen to chris
Want to appreciate the actual decent members of the Fiji jury: Michelle and Yau-Man. I also think Rocky was mostly fine, I just don't like how much he harped on Anthony pre-merge for being so passive and not being a "real" man by being aggressive
Russell is wrong about America voting but he is correct about the game having a problem by design with the jury element.
The jury element is PRECISELY what makes the game so compelling, though. If it was simply "lie and backstab as much as you need" then it would be complete trash. It's that tightrope walk that makes winning Survivor as prestigious as it is.
@Shutterbun4 And that is what ruins the game of Survivor. People winning by default often ruins an otherwise great season. The jury is precisely the main problem with this game - among other problems such as Redemption Island and all these weird advantages.
For the seventeen millionth time...
LEX! NEVER! MADE! ANY! KIND! OF DEAL! WITH ETHAN! THEN MERCILESSLY BETRAYED HIM THE FIRST CHANCE HE GOT!
That never happened.
Also, untrue about Colby. He was incredibly not cool with Lex until two weeks before they left for All Stars, then suddenly acts like they were always buds.
Don’t confuse them with facts. B Rob fans can’t deal with that. AND even if Lex is a hypocrite it doesn’t mean he is wrong in what he said.
Also Lex and Rob had a real friendship, and Rob asked a game favor on that friendship/
All you need to see is Lex on the jury in Africa to know he’s not a bitter dude in nature. Intense, but not unfair
I feel like the south pacific jury could be added to this list
All Stars Jury was so bitter like damn
Survivor Cambodia is really a good way to say robot season
Honorable mention: Nicaragua @ Sash
Honorable mention: Thailand