Still My Dream Vehicle After 1200 Miles with the Defender? Two Reimagined 5.3 Litre Defenders
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- My final thoughts after two weeks and 1200 with the Nene Ovelarnd Rivolve 2008 Land Rover Defender 110.
And then I got to try out two of the ultimate, reimagined Land Rover Defender 90 models- both with 5.3 litre V8 engines, 355hp and one with a six speed manual, the other with an eight speed auto.
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Your face when you hit the throttle for the first time in the black one... absolutely priceless!😂😂😂
You can tell I’m not used to fast cars😆
Utterly compelling TV, I hope he never loses his boyish enthusiasm it's totally addictive..........
He's like a bloody child and I'm jealous as hell.
I was working for a farmer in the 1980s. He asked me to drive his Land Rover diagonally across a ploughed field to get it back to the farm house. I told him it would get stuck and would never make it. He said "just do it" and it was a piece of cake. What a vehicle!
Haha I LOVE this!!💪🏼
The joy on Freddie's face is priceless. I wish Monika was there to enjoy. Many thanks for the amazing content and energy as ever Freddie
Growing up in South Africa, and with a father and uncle being long time landrover club members, I spend 1000s of miles in these vehicles. Numerous club meets, multiple week long REAL expeditions into places like Namibia, the Okavango Delta and not to mention the Maluti mountains where even the Lesotho pony struggles.
The Landy's greatest strength is not its off road ability or reliability thats for sure !!!!! Its greatest strength is its simplicity and fixability in the middle of nowhere with little more than a hammer, shifting spanner, wire coat hangers , blood and foul language.
When I was 20, I bought an old Land cruiser .
I instantly became the black sheep of the family... and their rescue vehicle.
You looked quite emotional at times. Defenders make you feel alive again, great all year round 4x4..
I really loved them all. One day, I hope🙂
Thanks Freddie for putting a much needed smile on my face this Sunday morning, your enthusiasm for the Defenders is great and the look on your face from the power of the V8 was hilarious I’m sure you will be joining our Defender owners family fairly soon.
Awesome video and awesome content Thanks Freddie and Monika
Freddies in love with a V8 Defender, bless......
The defender reminds me of the Mahindra army jeep my uncle used to drive me around in while visiting Simla. Just lovely on the edge of civilization, and kind of a pain in a well ordered city : ) Though the fancy stuff is thrilling, it’s no matter - you and Monica and your Bonneville are tops
Freddie this is one of your best videos yet .. great content . editing .... Lamborghini need to let you test drive / review a V12 lol .... the V8 Defenders you tested were the best I've ever seen & probably get a shock at prices 😂
Really appreciate it, thanks Robert! I can’t lie, you will probably need fairly deep pockets for one of these ultimate Defenders. Next up for me, a Lamborghini (I hope😆)
I love your content for the relentless optimism, though that initial rant was a delightful treat 🤣
OMG, just watching this now Freddie, them V8's are something else! 😮🚙💨
Brilliant video!
I've driven 4x4's from plenty of stables, it's true the LR climate control is more of a on\ off switch, holding a conversation can be a chalenge and basic models are pretty agricultural, but I wouldn't be without mine, it's my daily driver, and yes once or twice it's let me down, but there an easy to fix truck, always put a smile on my face. But what my favourite point is they are classless, driven by Royalty, Doctors and the bloke who sweeps the streets, no matter who you are or what you do, you rock up in a Landy and you'll always get a cheerie welcome.
Great stuff Freddie!
Even a modest engine remapp to the puma 2.2 makes massive change I daily drive my 90 for the last 5 years I love it
Great video and I couldn’t agree more about the Defender. Always wanted one but had never driven one. It surpassed every expectation and then some. Had mine 6 months and still smile every time I drive it. I try to only drive it on a weekend and the excitement I feel during the week knowing that when Saturday morning comes around, I can load it up, chuck the dog in and away we go. Think it’s time you joined the club. You won’t look back
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on ownership!🙂🙌🏻🙌🏻
Your face when the V8 lit up those tyre, what a picture.
If I was very rich and I lived in a converted farm house or barn with a long coarse , rugged drive out in the middle of nowhere then I'd have the V8 auto just to fit in, in the real world I'd go for the more affordable Toyota FJ cruiser just to be different and on trend, they're very popular in Dubai.
Great presentation once again Freddie.
The feeling of power was VERY addictive😆
I’m off to Dubai next week, so can’t wait to see the vehicles out there!
Great video as usual Thanks
I think that silver 90 has your name all over it! Very cool!
Hi Freddie, loved the vlog…your observations spot on ….oh memories .. had a standard Defender 90 SWB for 5 years as a hobby car and loved it. Wonderful driving experience ..huge joy every time . Sold it for a change to a Fiat Arbarth 595 convertible to go European touring . Simon
This is brilliant- you’re clearly a petrol head, Simon. Eclectic and brilliant- both of them!
Great video as ever, love my 110, I think you'll be getting a defender soon Freddie!
I was in the company car park admiring the owner's new Tesla, parked in his reserved parking space with it's own charging point. He's a cool frood and gave me some advice. He said that if I knuckled down, put the extra hours in and worked harder and smarter he could buy an even better one next year.
It must be a dream to be able to (test-) drive such a tuned Defender 90.
Lol 😮 good times, sweet looking cars.
That sound!
Never came to my feed! Found it on your site
Hmmmm, thanks for the heads up! Glad you managed to find it🙂
For what it's worth my experiences with Rovers is they are "yesteryears technology at tomorrow's price" relaying on past achievements for sales. Be kind to yourself and decide against the purchase. Rent one when you have the need. Best wishes. Cheers 🕊
So funny your facial expressions when you took off in the V8 🤣 brilliant. I drove a supercharged range rover once and had a similar reaction. Glad the seats were leather!
Well Freddie I bought my Land Rover series 2a in 1977, it was 10 years old then and I paid £750 for it( my first car) still got it today, put a galvanised chassis under it 15 years ago. I still drive it and it’s currently worth £10k plus and I will never part with it.
Your face is a proper picture , shock and awe. Nene know their stuff. Great vid, when are you buying ?
Thanks🙌🏻🙌🏻
I just need to take the plunge, but I can’t quite do it yet (mainly through fear that I won’t be able to afford maintenance)
Re the turning circle; there’s a bolt either side of the axle that is usually turned all the way out. This can be turned in or removed to increase the turn angle of the wheels.
I’ve just saved this for my future potential Defender purchase, thanks🙂🙌🏻
@@FreddieDobbs It significantly improves the turning circle. Mine was the TD5 engine version which I thought had more character and exemplary engine braking. The one that came after this (which i also bought), was better on road speed wise, but much worse off road.
Great video and your face says everything these two are the responce to the Merceds Gl 6.3
What you have got with the 5.3 defender is one that has a Range-Rover specification. Even the disco’s are a great drive. I used to drive my bosses cars from England to Mallorca and back every summer. The Range. Was the most comfortable. Facial expressions say it all. Great video Freddie.
It has made me think of potentially looking at the Disco 3 and 4s because the extra comfort and incredible value. Driving a Range down to Mallorca must’ve been brilliant!
As someone who had a Defender as a daily driver I would say don't do it. I love them but they are noisy, cramped, too hot, too cold, all of the things you list. Do what I did and by a Cherokee XJ for a third of the price, it's a much better all rounder and is now my daily driver.
That said, I would still love another Defender, just not as my only car!
Great content as ever Freddie.
Very very interesting hearing from a former owner! The Cherokee is a great shout, although these have shot up in value recently! My parents used to own a 4.0. I LOVED it!
@@FreddieDobbs I've got a 4.0 Orvis, fantastic engine and good spec
I've been looking forward to your feelings after the trip, Freddie. Keep up the fun and interesting content!
Thanks very much, Barry!
Sounds similar to my 2 door Jeep Rubicon in a lot ways except the Jeep could turn on a dime. We once did a 1200 miles in one day in wintery conditions that we wouldn't tried in a lesser vehicle.
They are lovely... I do get a similar vibe from my little Jimny. I don't mind having no space though I just use it for bombing around Northumberland.
My choice would be a Ninety station wagon like you’re looking at with a 300tdi and automatic transmission,superb.
They need to make them in left hand drive for the American market, I'm sure they would sell, we don't worry about big engines, we love them !!
Been looking forward to this update wanted a defender for a while, I have a few issue as I’m torn between this for mainly aesthetic/heritage reasons but I love the idea of a modern off-roader with all the attachments to have some fun in the wilderness
Also I like the idea of A/C radio electric windows and overall comfort, in that price range I can get a really nice newer off-raider that won’t brake down three times a week.
I think we’re in the same boat re thought process. It’s also INCREDIBLE what 4x4s you can get for around £16k (Range Rover Sports, Jaguar F Paces!😳), but they don’t offer that same Defender feel… but they will be so much more refined and relaxing. It’s such a tough decision!🤯
@@FreddieDobbs Re discovery sports and the jaguar, unfortunately the ingenium engines have an appetite for cam chains and tensioners, a very expensive fix .
@@FreddieDobbs 2.7 and 3.0 v6 diesels have their problems as well
I loved the 110, but now I really like the look of that 90 in silver 😮❤
Same!🤩
Loved both but would go automatic. The black is a beauty. In 82 I had a full size Ford Bronco and loved it , the Retro Defender reminded me of it . The Silver one had a back up light out I think🤫. You are so true to your Fiat.😇. I'm in love with the last 2 Defenders you just tried and their upscale interiors.
I think I’d go auto too. I also preferred the smaller wheels. A Bronco- MY LORD!!!🖤🖤🖤
@@FreddieDobbs I now drive a 1995 Jeep Cherokee and Isa (my Wife) drives 2002 Jeep, of which you videoed one at the rover Depot. Of course the winner would be Rover in my book. In my order 😂I would like the overhead exhaust pipe for all the floods here.
And there we have it everybody, the British version of Russian roulette. Get a proper English bloke in a tricked out Defender, don't wear seat belt and then floor it (time stamps 25:35 and 30:59). The first thing those superfly Rover coffins need is a seat belt reminder.😄
Great comparison between the land Rovers👍. All three seem to have character. My pick will be the basic 2008 Defender110. It feels the most authentic and might hold it's value (albeit running the risk of becoming a novelty garage decoration). The other two are just too scary for normal roads, but would be amazing toys for someone willing to handle it. Lots of research before buying, updating to the latest crash tested models and timely maintenance of the vehicles ensures peace of mind and unnecessary expenses.
Personally, after driving for nearly 30 years and many thousands of kilometers throughout India in a verity of stock and modified cars, I feel vehicles are tools to keep road trips a simple and reliable affair otherwise you run the risk of not enjoying the journey and missing the fleeting scenery.🙏
Defender was my only car for about 15 years, loved every second of it. Even the smallest little outing felt like an adventure. Started in a TD5 110 DCPU, then after a few years upgraded to a 110 SW with more mod-cons, electric windows, heated seats, AC, central locking etc. Only thing I did to it was to add high air intake and some soundproofing. Was a lovely daily driver, and even better for long trips. But... if I was to get a 4x4 again, I wouldn't get the modern Defender. It has become a Range Rover Jr. now, and it lost it's charm. I think Ineos Grenadier did what Land Rover should have done. Basically made a modern "Defender" with all the bells and whistles you'd want out of a utility vehicle. They made a better Defender basically, modern yet utilitarian. Looks aren't as good, but it more than makes up for that in other ways. So yeah, that would be my dream 4x4 now. But I don't think I will ever get one again, I'll burn gas in my motorcycle, and drive electric on 4 wheels. (There are rumors of a fully electric Grenadier coming... that might be interesting.)
A lot better than the 1963 model 109 i had more than 30 years ago.But it was a lot of fun to.🙂👍
Oh wow- what a vehicle this must’ve been!
Wow ! Very impressed, forget the INEOS Grenadier, Start saving, purchase the Revolve R53 Freddie, Monica is going to love you.
Fabulous stuff Freddy. As a Defender driver now, you really should try to arrange a test drive in the new Ineos Grenadier 4X4 ... After Ineos has spent Billion$ developing the ultimate Defender clone, I would be interested to hear what your opinion of it is. It is supposed to have a much smaller turning circle, and power assisted steering too. I see Jonny Smith over at The Late Brake Show channel just posted his test yesterday.
I just watched Jonny Smith’s video yesterday- it looks like a very worthy replacement for the Defender. I love the look of it! It sounds also like it has enough quirks and utilitarian nature to still have that rugged charm
We have a you-tuber here in the state's that goes by the handle "Car Wizard". He has 837k subscriber's. He has done some video's on these Land Rover's in recent past. Look in his archives & you'll get a pretty good prospective on these vehicles. I'll give you a hint- it's not good. Now all you have to do is the homework. But my advise to you is don't buy one until you do!!! Have a beautiful day!! Illinois, USA
I really like the Car Wizard. Thanks for this Larry, sending you all my best🙂🇺🇸
Hi Freddie
Pete again just a follow up message from the other one, if you like vehicles that look Unitarian, you need to look at the mercedes gee wagon they will have all the safety equipment built into them, if you purchase the modern stuff but trust me you will need very deep pockets, they don't cater for budget, but they are real cool, I think Monika would appreciate you more if you put her safety first, don't look through rose tinted glasses at them defenders, it will only end in tears so look at it with you financial head and not your heart.
And keep up all the good work you and Monika do, love watching your videos
Pete
The G- yesssss! I love them! But for now, you are right- my pockets aren’t deep enough.
Thank you Pete🙂
I’ve missed the whole Defender thread. As a Wrangler driver, this is fun. Wondering how long before the channel branches out to include overlanding haha.
Freddie, great review. When I heard about your experience with trying to listen to the radio I told you about I was disappointed with your experience, in a closed car it has great potential not like the canvas top you had. As for the other two you tested, Welcome to Chevrolet LS Power!😎. I have older versions of that motor, a 5.7 liter in my 98 Corvette with 345 HP, gets 27 mpg on the highway cruising at 70 MPH. The other LS is in my 04 Chevrolet Silverado SS pickup truck, a 6.0 liter at 375 HP with All Wheel Drive. It get 17mpg on the highway at 70 also. My take is save and buy one of the two custom ones, mileage will be better than my truck but who cares when you can scare the daylights out of people with the sound and acceleration. Or, keep the Fiat and but a new bike 🏍️
Funnily enough the mpg probably isn’t much worse on the 5.3 than the original diesel. It’s a BRILLIANT engine💪🏼💪🏼
I hate to be a negative Nancy on this one Freddie but I think you should stick with the 500 or possibly get a newer 500 with a/c etc. It does exactly what you need and hasn’t cost you much at all in bills. That means more money in your pocket for trips like Bali or an Indian Scout. I also recall you mentioning in a previous video you like the idea of a camper van? 🚐 haha. Could get a camper and back-rack for a Honda Dax! 😂
From what I’ve seen, fuel guzzling 4x4’s are not holding value well at all these days. Unless a person literally has money to burn, I think those pimped out defenders are really more for celebs who want to show off. That’s just my view of course. Not hating or anything. Can’t wait to see updates on Bali 🏝️ 🏍️ 🩴 ☕️
totally agree with you!!
Not a negative Nancy at all Steven- your opinion is really appreciated🙂🙌🏻
What you’ve mentioned are my exact concerns (money for Bali, repair costs). Regarding aircon in the Fiat; I’ve now formed such a weirdly strong attachment to the Fiat that I honestly think I’d have to get aircon retro fitted instead of buying a higher spec Fiat. It is total madness, I know😆🤷♂️
I loved your expression when you gave that Chevy V8 a bit of stick
The look of pure joy and surprise😆
@@FreddieDobbs Yeah I have that engine in my Chevy Silverado 1500LTZ and it certainly has some pep but can only imagine it with a supercharger ... LOL! Those re-imagined Defenders are absolutely beautiful!
Your face Freddy when you gave the black manual defender a boot full was priceless, l almost dropped my mug of coffee lmao.
The 5.3 and 6.2 defenders use the GM LS engines very powerful and very strong and can be upgraded and supercharged giving 700 - 800+ horsepower.
If l had the choice (and the finances) l’d go for the manual every time much for fun and much better On fuel, I doubt either will see much above 20 MPG the auto will be a little thirstier probably 10 -12 with a lead foot.
With that exhaust note you won’t be driving Miss Daisy very often Freddy. 😂😂😂
I was wondering what the fuel economy would be, thanks for this🙌🏻🙌🏻
This is true😆🙋🏻♀️
It's interesting to see your view on these sort of Defenders. I don't necessarily dislike them, but for me they go against the whole appeal of a land rover and I turn my nose up a bit haha
The older and more used it is the more character it has. The more willing you are to customise it and drill holes to bolt things on; there's so many after market parts you can buy. I can drive through 3 feet deep mud, scrape through bushes or carry a pile of old bricks and moldy wood etc in my old series 3 land rover without worrying, but in one of those Defenders I'd worry about mud on my shoes!
All the lack of refinement is what makes it fun, giving people a lift is often a hilarious experience for them...
I think you might find some appeal in something older, say late 80s or 90s. A 90 model or early Defender. As long as it's something that hasn't been neglected for 30 years it will be a fun local runaround or camping trip vehicle.
This is exactly the argument I have in my mind; long distance comfort and refinement vs raw originality. I can’t argue at all with you- the rugged, roughed up nature that you describe is something I love in Defenders too. I can imagine a Series 3 must be an incredible experience!
Great Post, l agree, the old dirty land Rovers have that character, barber jacket, dirty wheelies.
Hahaha watching you in those 5.3's My buddy had a 5 liter in a Mustang 20 years ago he went thru plenty of rear tires ...Having fun ! At the end of this video you look at your little Fiat after driving those Defenders and somehow that made me feel like I would feel when I sold Real Estate and would have a Open House and spend several hours in some huge beautiful home then go back to my little rented room..
Excellent video Freddie, you definitely have the Landy bug! I get to use a 2006 Defender 90, with the Puma, ( Transit!) engine and it's great, although quite agricultural!!. This last week I have been driving the new Defender and its fab actually...a worthy continuation of the Defender name. I find myself doing ' man maths ' to justify buying one, but the fuel consumption is a worry! On the other hand...what price happiness 😊. Ps, I also had the latest, most bling Discovery for a couple of days , but it's just too flash and definitely a Chelsea tractor! A 'real' Landy was coming towards me and the look of disdain on their face said it all...! Cheers Steve
I’m glad to hear you rate the Puma engined Defender- I think this is the one I’d buy. Man maths is a dangerous game that I find is never based on common sense😆
That was fun to watch. No experience with Defenders, but imagine that for example a Dodge Ram with a big V8 feels something like that. It is a hoot to drive V8s but with gas prices as they are it is fun for the monied peeps only. We with a normal income can get that same kick with a bike and that is quite enough for me.
Extremely fair points- every one of them🙂
Had a 1985 TD5 defender short wheel base admittedly a short wheel base in the Lara Croft Benetton grey colour (respayed). Panel gaps atrocious but felt it could go anywhere but the heater was non existent. Was a second car but great to throw the dogs and kids in the back with bench seats either side. Wish I’d kept it but didn’t have the right parking space. On the manoeuvrability get a mirror mounted at the top of the back door looking down so you can see how far away the back is for any obstacles and you’d get away with far fewer turns. As you mentioned likely libel depreciation and probable increase in value to offset running costs. 👍🏻
I think I would have to get one of those mirrors. I genuinely thought I was close to the wall when reversing, but watching the video back, I had about 4ft!
@@FreddieDobbs back in 1980 as a new driver I confidently reversed my moms Ford Cortina into my new girlfriend’s dads garden wall and knocked it down😩better safe than sorry 😂
I bought a new 1992 Isuzu Trooper in 1992, which cost a fraction of the Defenders, but was a very capable off road 4x4. Shiny metallic blue. I was very proud of it. But my hard core off roading buddies said the Trooper was too nice to take it off road in our Wyoming mountains because I would scratch it up. They said I wouldn’t take it off road. So I took it off road and the tires were more road type tires like those Defenders and not heavy duty lugged tread and I got stuck. And I almost turned it over going down a muddy hill. My friends were right. I didn’t want to hurt my beautiful new 4x4, so I bought a 4 wheeler to go off road and keep my Trooper nice. Then they said I had a Mall Crawler instead of a rock crawler, which is what they call 4x4s that people buy and they never take off road. I don’t know about the U.K. but the off road guys here are a tough bunch. But I ignore them. I’m 70 and I do what I want.
Those two door models look more appealing to me. Follow your heart.😎👍
I enjoyed reading this, thank you Bill🙂🇺🇸
Great vid as always. Having owned a very pimped out nene Landy 90 ragtop my advice would be don't go for the convertible, it's so complicated to take off and put back on you'll just never bother with it. Also don't go down the massive wheel/tyre route (we did) it ups the gearing and is like starting in 2nd so it eats clutches. Plus if you park it on the street it will be stolen. Great fun though. Would I have another? Damn right I would!
Thank you for this incredibly useful insight!🙌🏻🙌🏻
Hi , great fun , but will Monika GET TO drive one shopping ? A very nice piece of engineering .🤔💗👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Auto one for me Freddie 🏍💙👍
I agree!
Looks like you enjoyed that,now you have to persuade Monika 😂😂😂😂
Funnily enough, Monika needs less persuading than me (mainly because I think it’d be me who’s responsible for the maintenance😆)
@@FreddieDobbs it would have to be one of the 5.3s ,if your sponsors are willing to cover the fuel costs,enjoy the dilemma lol
Scottie: The engine ca'nae take it, Freddie!
Freddie: Just give me Warp Factor 8, Scottie!
This takes me back!😆🚀
Freddie those R versions look fantastic to drive. Now, I need to see you driving the Bowler next, please. I mean those R 5.3L V8 are pretty fast and very furious but the Bowler has to be another level (well it's a racecar).
And yes, if money wasn't a problem who would not like to have one of those? But maybe even with a bit more power?
I would love to try the Bowler too!! I can tell by your profile pic that you like speed, Dani, but wow that 5.3 was enough for me!😆🏎️
@@FreddieDobbs Yes, but let me explain myself. That was at Circuit de Catalunya Marshal post 4 in a race where a Ferrari had an accident and we recovered it, someone had to seat inside and turn the wheel. Is not that i race myself. I probably would suck at this.
I like to see and hear beautiful cars, and also fast ones. I have a passion for cars, no matter if quick or not that quick, all cars have a purpose.
But the Bowler 🤓🤓🤓🤓 hahahahaha you know, has to be a terrifyinly fun experience.
Freddie -do not buy a Defender because you think it's going to be an appreciating asset. Nobody can guarantee that, and there's a good chance it won't be. Simply buy one if you like it, but expect to lose money on the experience. Then you won't be disappointed.
Before you do anything test a late model Discovery 4. They are already achieving classic status and going up in price. Plus it does everything better than the old Defender.
20min!! 🤣🤣 Is that the best bit of Freddie footage so far? 😂😂
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I think the Defenders original purpose was not to make tight turns...but to be the best true...4 wheel drive and toughest vehicle available..the skidding ...no ABS in the Defender...the heat...ya..is how it was in all vehicles of its age..and was the one you had carbureted or EFI?.. the first time i ever saw one was in a John Wayne movie called Doktari...it took place in Africa...and he "snared" with a loop on a pole, wild Rhino's out of a Defender driving full on beside one...your not going to be able to that with any other vehicle..LOL.. they were meant to do work...not be a car riding a meter in the air..like all of todays Trucks are..another excellent video...
Ahhhhhh I’ve heard of this John Wayne film- I’ll watch this!
This is an EFI model and I agree- the magic of these is the fact they’re genuine working vehicle👌🏻
I think you’re in love Freddie, lol
I am! I reeeeeally, really liked them!
Repeat after me Freddie: I am not a Rap Star, Middle Eastern Prince, Hollywood elite....... Do you really want to be a chained to a car payment /insurance 😁🥃..... I used to explain to my friends when the money started rolling in and they wanted to buy that new vehicle.... mustang, Camaro, 4 x 4 go out and rent one, see what you think. Then price out payments plus insurance and if that works for them go for it .... I'll tell you I got a lot of more "I'm glad I dodged that bullet" speeches from them 😂
Thank you for this- a very level headed approach and it sounds like you’ve saved a few of your friends from some costly decisions!
Morning Freddie, great review. Can I suggest you check out a Discovery 2 before laying out cash on a Defender.
The 100" chassis is better on-road than the 90 and better off-road than the 110 Defender, in my opinion.
Has better road manners, more interior room, it's quieter, faster and far cheaper at around £8k for a good one, save £10k for improvements of your choice. I've owned one for 19 years it's approaching 280k miles on the clock, I'd never sell it.
It's well worth a look🤔
This is a fascinating insight, thank you so much for sharing this, Jonathan.
Quite a few people have recommended Disco 2s, so I’m now genuinely intrigued.
I have a Jeep Cherokee Pioneer Autovan 3litre ,my first automatic ,I love it but it’s thirsty (I pull a bowser to feed it )😊.
I think practically I'd prefer the 2 door smaller custom Defenders. I do like to have a stress free ride without getting stuck in traffic or have parking problems. Loved the little blast out, looks like you weren't expecting any of that power 😄They did look really special and built to a high standard.
The two door Defenders are so much easier to manoeuvre- that would be a big selling point.
If I had the money, I’d take one of these re-imagined Defenders because they were so easy to drive and live with!🙂👌🏻
Personally the smallest one whoud be more for everyday use, there's only two of you seven seats, how often whoud you use them, auto box brilliant I've had a jaguar xe 20d auto for nearly two years and I'm not going back to a manual, but go with what you are happy with, great video pal, 😁👍
I did feel similar after using the auto- the ease of use was a very welcome change! Thanks Phillip🙂
Defenders are great but they are intended for a very particular purpose. They are serious off-road overland vehicles or for farm use but for general road use - meh. We had a 1960's Land Rover in the 1970's and flat out it would do about 55-60 mph but the engine was screaming so 40-45 mph was the maximum practical speed limit to keep the noise at acceptable levels. We only used it for short (max 3-4 miles) journeys around narrow country lanes in Hertfordshire but the fuel consumption was horrific (10 - 15 mpg). The good thing about them is depreciation is negligible or as you say the value may increase so running cost may not be so bad taking into account the appreciation in value. Would I buy one - probably not at this stage no as I enjoy quiet and comfort. I live in Canada and LD's are rare, Jeeps are the equivalent here and a good friend has a new one. It looks nice but same issues - noisy and not that comfortable for anything more than 10-20 miles . . .so much so that they ended up buying an Audi Q5 eTron as well. The 5 litre LD you drove is really more akin to a Mercedes G Class - now that would be fun.
Thank you so much for this insight. And the G-Wagon comparison is, I think, spot on!
Enjoyed the vid and love your enthusiasm. The Defender does look nice in a classy utilitarian way but lots of negatives there. Turning circle, noise, size and even driver comfort. Those V8 petrol engines will empty your bank balance quicker than Google ad sense can fill it!
Easy to look through rose tinted glasses at a stylish 4x4. I would still prefer the Fiat 500 and use the cash saved to see the world and perhaps finance a newer Bonneville.
You’re probably (definitely) right!😆💷
Top tip I’d rather have a depreciating asset’ than have to drive a 30 grand heap of junk👍
Get an old 4.2 diesel Land cruiser. Hold it's money. Build like a tank. Superb engine. Comfortable. Heater works. Brilliant.
Try one.
I’ve heard only good things about these!
Great video. Got a question for you. You see the the Land Rover as an investment and that it "could" actually increase in value after 3-4 years or so. Is it to be stored away and only used for weekend jollies or is it a daily run-around. I ask because the maths for me appear to be different. It might make money if its low mileage and not used much but if its a daily run-around the running costs and servicing costs could far exceed any potential gains you hope it would achieve in the 3-4 years. Factor in the trend towards electric vehicles and the desire to stop using fossil fuels ( i'm a bit of a sceptic with the proposed targets that have been set on achieving this) then that will have an adverse effect on all internal combustion driven cars and their value. If you can afford to lose 30K and put it down to life i would say hell yeah but if it isn't i might not really want to take the chance on it if i am honest. Great car and if money were no object would have one in a heart beat. Too me they are everything British. Like the Red Telephone box and the Post boxes. :)
Freddie, do some googling on the new Ineos Grenadier, modelled on the Defender, it looks like it’s going to be the most exciting new car company UK has offered in a long time !
I’ve literally just finished reading an article on them! I’m hugely excited to see this arriving- Land Rover May come to regret effectively replacing the old defender in all but name. This’ll be fascinating
It’s also owned by the guy who makes your Belstaff clothing, the models are named after Belstaff jackets
I feel sweaty just watching this
HI FREDDIE, LOVE YOUR CHANEL, I"VE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU FOR ABOUT 3 YRS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU RIDE MORE JAPANISE CLASSIC BIKES FROM THE 70S /80S I HAVE 5 CLASSIC BIKES ALL KAWASAKI'S INC Z1A & RS900 TO COMPARE!!
I HAVE JUST BOOKED A ROAD TRIP WITH ADAM AT TENERIFE ON TRIUMPH FOR THGE END OF MARCH I CANNOT WAIT!!
1,200 miles in two weeks is good going. Have you considered a short wheelbase version? Certainly easier in the lanes. My Jeep Wrangler was very easy to manoeuvre. And your testride in the custom LR shows, you seem to prefer a shorter vehicle.
If I had my time again, I'd have bought a secondhand diesel Nissan Patrol for better reliability. I'm thinking of buying a recent model Isuzi 3.0 litre auto diesel pickup truck in Chiang Rai. I wonder what the MPG figure is for the 5.3 litre Defender.
This is just about the only channel whose videos I watch all the way through when they're really long.
Thank you so much🙂🙌🏻
I don’t think the mpg will be hugely lower one the 5.3 than the original. Nissan Patrol- I really like these
Not for me Freddie and those two pimped up Defenders are just that, Pimps rides I'm afraid. Just think of the fuel consumption. Many years ago when Peterborough had a development corporation and I worked in the Forestry and Landscape department, we occasionally got to drive one of their 110 Defenders, 6 cylinder Petrol ones towing a 4 wheel trailer. They were horrible and I nearly jackknifed one when I got the combo over 40... Now the Tractors they had WERE fun as they would go over or through any terrain, towing a trailer. Max speed 18mph tho' 😁
Good film, I found your predicament over the heater hilarious, and I was thinking "welcome to the bizarre world of Land Rover". The whole package used to be much worse. Coil springs improved the ride and handling a bit and by LR standards the turbo diesel you had was quick: God help you in one of the older ones. Long-wheel-bases were never popular on farms because of the turning circle, a SWB is better but the modified versions you tried out are just toys for Gulf playboys. There's nothing useful about them: the wheels & tyres, for example, are useless for any kind of off-road work and the fuel consumption is gonna' make a Hummer look thrifty. Something like a Ford Ranger is effectively the modern Land Rover because it's strong, practical, economical and affordable. It's also a handsome vehicle, which has been one of LR's main (only?) attributes. If the finances allow, buy yourself a short-wheel-base Series 3 or 90 Station Wagon, petrol (with a galvanized chassis & good bulkhead) for Sunday drives with Monika, but keep the Fiat or something similar as your main car.
Thank you so much for this- this is hugely useful🙂
And very funny you mention the Ford Ranger as Monika was in one yesterday. She really liked it!
I agree with you. You gave him good/firm advice. Well said my friend. Have a good day!!
@@larrywade9041 Cheers! My family have enjoyed/suffered Land Rovers since the mid '50s and I'm just trying to suggest the least painful route into ownership!
Ok 👍👌
Hey Freddie, a Discovery 2 with a decent remap and coil spring conversion will leave you £20,0000 pounds left over to mod it how you want. Compared to a Defender they are quiet and comfortable. Only going up in price too
This is a very interesting tip- I’ve been looking at these as a friend wants to buy one. This is the model just before they got incredibly complicated, I’m told
@@FreddieDobbs The 2003 2004 ones are best, must check out rear chassis for rust. Air springs are super easy to replace but go every couple of years if off loaded, So spring conversion worth while. Ours was remapped that made it soooo much better to drive. Fairly reliable really and much more comfortable that a Defender. With the right mods they look great.
Rebuild the heater and buy one with a safari roof... short with freeway tires...dear... what to do with it?
I will have one of those please.
Try a nearly new Suzuki Jimny Freddie.. I took one for a test drive last month and instantly wanted one !
I love them, but they’re about £26k for a used one! I think they’re about £8k over the price they were when new. But I know I’d feel the same as you if I tried one. Cheap to run too🙂👌🏻👌🏻
Defender’s are Cool looking cars , style over substance in my opinion but they hold there money ! Buy aVW transporter still cool but drive really nice 👌 it’s
And the Campers hold their values incredibly well too🙂👌🏻👌🏻 I like them
😂that all got a bit partridge when you hit the gas 😂
As a fan of vintage and vintage styled vehicles, I recently bought a Citroën 2CV. I’m surprised by its turning circle. A three point turn is more like a five point turn 😮. I do get better gas mileage than the Defender😂. Thanks to your rave reviews of the DAX, I just yesterday purchased a Chinese clone of the original DAX, only with a 125 semi automatic four speed.
Honda has not decided yet to import the DAX to the US.
All the downsides of the Defender are available in the Jeep Wrangler, but with none of the luxury 😮
A Citroen 2CV in the US must be an incredibly rare sight!😳
I’ve heard a lot of good things about these Chinese Dax copies- I hope you have many happy miles on it!
It’s funny how similar the Defenders and Wranglers are; both iconic, rugged and basic, and neither with a glorious history of reliability😆
Citroën 2cv probably thee best turning circle of any car ever made, very economic, a true icon. Well done Dan 👏
Hi Freddie
Pete here, saw your latest video on the defender, don't do it Freddie, don't pull the trigger, I will tell you why!
1 there is no safety factor for you or Monika, no airbags anywhere, yes it may look solid as a rock, but that works against you in a head on collision as there are no crumple zones that are built into modern technology, if you hit something you are sure to die if you hit something in one of those.
Freddie think about it they stopped making them for a reason and you say they are going to be worth more in the future have you heard of inflation your £ in the future isn't going to be worth what it is today and if you calculate in as well what the overall running cost is over that period it will certainly cancel out any profit.
I know that vehicle is on your hit list as desire but trust me move on, I once had a desire for the mark 3 jaguar xj the 4.2, I did get one and it was everything I wanted for 6 months, then I realised it was just a big gas guzzling expensive old vehicle with no safety features, so I got rid quick and put my family first.
So Freddie it's your choice! But for me I jog passed 😂😂 and save my money for something a lot, lot, lot more safer for you and Monika
Pete
Hi Pete,
Great to hear your thoughts!
I also had a 4.2 Jag (XK), that I had to sell, so I know exactly what you mean.
Liked the look of Defenders, but too agricultural & impractical for me. Ended up with a black Discovery 4 SE: V6 3.0 with 8-speed auto. Done 40k trouble-free miles. Posh enough to park outside the Ritz, but not too posh for a tip run. Real adventure car with rugged looks IMO. Worth considering?
The Defender 90 might be better if you need turning circle. Wheel base much shorter. Probably better economy too.
I was wondering about these points- they are definite factors to consider
Would a shorter wheelbase model make more sense? Turning circle must be better at least
Very possibly, although not as much storage space/ passenger comfort (not that I often take passengers!)