I Love this Video. You have given me great inspiration, I can now build my own E-Bike but with a Front hub Dynamo so I can go YHA Hosteling to reclaim my Lost Youth........and carry my own Tent with Touring Large Size Carradice Panniers Here we Go and other essential things I need to Escape from Winter Months, as Spring and Summer start New Year with Excitement ! Lulworth Cove, Beer. Dartmoor, Boswinger, Coverack, Lands-End or Penzance, and up the other side, Treyarnon Bay, to Tinagel, and more Exciting Trips to make when we discover what Great Britain has to offer, on my New E-bike YHA Adventure.!!!
my daughterhas the bbs 02 on her bike with a 48 v battery .i have the bbshd on my downhill bike with52v .im veryimpressed at both motors .ive seen hers pushclose to a thousand watts and mine over 1600
With the right gearing you can climb anything. No these are not legal as in they are not 250 watts, however , if you look at watts alone neither are the "legal" bikes like Bosch, Panasonic etc. The Bosch bikes are around 500+ watts. Watts does not matter , the important thing is to limit speed but also acceleration and it must be pedelec only , no throttle and must engage the motor only through force on the pedals. 250 Watts wouldn't really pull you out of bed, of course as I said with the correct gearing you can climb anything but on very steep trails it could be painfully slow with only 250 watts. I have a Haibike EQ Trekking from 2013 with 45-50 Nm torque, it is good and has pulled me up 20-25% grade but they make you work because they have torque sensors, the harder you pedal the more power the motor gives making it feel a lot more natural. The BBS02 in the video has about 120 Nm torque and the larger BBSHD has 160 Nm, a far cry from the Bosch 45-50 that I have but the newer ones have up to 75 Nm. Legislators probably have no basic understanding of electronics/mechanics and come up with ridiculous limits like 250 watts, yes it gives you assistance, the bare minimum but it does not make sense to limit by watts alone because heavy riders, heavy cargo bikes all have the 250 watt limit which makes 0 sense. The important thing to remember is to ride responsibility no matter what you're riding. Just because someone has an accident on an ebike doesn't mean the cause was the ebike just like when a Tesla has an accident when in autopilot mode, you can't blame the car....... ebikes are great fun and I lost 20 kg on an ebike because it gave me incentive to get out and not be afraid of hills and wind.
It's 250w continuous output, not peak power. Not very helpful as there is no specification over how long continuous is.............. A throttle is legal as long as it doesn't take you past 6 mph. From my understanding most e bikes are illegal (including integrated bought ones), because the speed limit is changeable through button presses, rather than being "baked" into the firmware. I remember reading Bosche were doing something about that though. The 15 mph limit is stupid. 22, or power fading out from 15 to 22 would be better. It's really idiotic that a weirdo in licra can do 10 mph + faster than you, just because he doesn't have a motor. "ebikes are great fun and I lost 20 kg on an ebike because it gave me incentive to get out and not be afraid of hills and wind. " That is exactly why I will have one, when my battery BMS is found by the Post Office.
yeah my bike is similar but im using a 1500w hub motor, it does struggle on insane hills like those, especially when limited to 1kw in the controller settings. I wonder how flat ground speeds compare though. have you thought about trying to put one of these motors on a super light roadbike with narrow tyres ?
I've just bought a bike with the bafang bbshd mid-drive motor if it's nearly as good as this I'll be very happy because I live in Sheffield and as you know there's lots of hills so thanks for doing this hill climb test 💙👍🏾💯
I don't ride fast on the road or bike paths but one day I got the bike up2 34mph with out really trying I was still sat in my seat I was on a bike path near Rother Valley but I had to to test it out just once
I also had Strava running on my Mobile while hill climbing, and of course went to the top of the lists. Also getting complimented by all the local cyclists. I had to admit I had help from the BBS02. I don’t use Strava anymore as it didn’t impress the local cyclists. Glad you’re enjoying the BBS02. I’m 57 with COPD and love it.
@@robertallport3126 haha but sorry to hear about the copd ive just lost my dad to it at 71 years old but these things are 20 times better than what you could imagine when you try one im loving it mate
Hi Paul. Sorry somehow missed your comment. It’s still working now (June 2020) I don’t use it for my work commute anymore (now self employed) but still go out on weekend rides occasionally, the range has dropped to about 70% but that’s the battery not the motor. All in all it’s been a good bit of kit.
What a delightful journey you have. Are you thumbing it always or using pedal assist. Curious on your take on the BBs02 pedal assist if willing to share?
Hi, thanks for your comment, I mainly use pedal assist, I have my BBS02 set at 9 levels of assist mainly using 4,5,6 but pump it up to level 9 on the larger hills for my daily work commute of between 19-25 miles (depending on my route) round trip which is also hilly but not like the hills in the video, I mainly use the throttle for a few seconds when setting off or for a bit of a speed boost, 90% of the time it’s pedal assist only. I find the pedal assist to be very good on my BBS02 but this is the only E-Bike I have ever ridden so can’t compare it with other types of E-Bike. I use a 48V - 11.4 amp-hour battery and have managed 32 miles and still have battery left after a casual Sunday ride.
I live in a very hilly part of Devon and was wondering if the 36v 250w version would be enough for me? Out of interest what wattage is your 48v version?
i have 36v 500 w version. on low asist mode from 144m to 360 m climbing along 12 km The journey lasted 35 minutes. i am 92 kg , bike claud buttler city explorer. road was country road. low asist mode use battery less capacity 5 Ah. i am pleased. 36v 10 A battery is 45 km roads with low asist mode no sweat. i am nor english and i am using google translate. I hope I could help
Go to ebike store and rent a ebike. All legal ebikes are 250watt + peak power that is around 500. Try them out and see for yourself... your jaw will drop.
Hi James, I can’t say where the best place would be to buy a kit, I bought mine from dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk/collections/e-bike-conversion-kits But you can buy them cheaper from ebay or amazon.
Funny thing is, There are plenty of beefy gnarly inclines in his part of the country.. But he defiantly didn't get anywhere near them lol I guess the term hill is subjective 😂
Is it ok to ride on main roads with your bike ? It makes so much sense with all these hills , I don’t believe that smaller motors would be anywhere near powerful enough to cope ...?
No. If you get caught , it is a big fine and prison if in an accident, plus points on your licence if you have one. The max you can ride on public roads is 250W , the BBS02 is 500-750W which is classed as a scooter. You wll be prosecuted for riding a moped without isnruance road tax, helmet.
Hi Jaxon, On average I use to get 18-22 miles (48V, 11.4Ah battery) on my half hilly half flattish commute to work, but on mostly level ground 30-35 miles if I put a little extra effort in.
Hi, good video, I'm thinking of converting my carrera vengeance to a mid drive ebike. As you've already done it, did you have any trouble with the cables that go under the bottom bracket, or is there enough clearance for them to work?
Hi Andrew The front derailleur cable is removed completely along with the front derailleur. When your fitting the motor you can position it so the rear cable has plenty of room under the bottom bracket. The only slight issue I had was the screw that secures the cable guide under the bottom bracket actually protrudes into the bottom bracket, a quick file soon solved the issue. Good luck with your conversion I’ve done almost 7000 miles on mine now.
Hi Robert, Thanks for information about the screw. On another matter, do you have any trouble with the police, as it's higher powered than the law allows?
As with most of the Self Conversion Kits you can limit the Power and Speed to meet the law in the UK and in all honestly I find riding at 250 watt and keeping the powered speed below 15.5mph very relaxing, it will still climb the hills, just a little slower. But to answer your question I have had no encounters with the Police, in fact in all the time I’ve been riding the Bike I have only ever seen the Police twice. But I normally ride in power level 2 out of 5 so I don’t attract attention by going too fast and my trips are usually on quiet roads. If I was to ride in a Town Centre I think I would keep it at 250 watts as a safety issue.
At the moment I have the Lekkie® Bling Ring 42 tooth Chain Ring on the bike but must admit I wish I'd chosen the 46 Tooth, it’s available from www.brightonebikes.co.uk My average speed is around 20mph but on a flat road with no wind I can reach 30mp without too much effort with the wind behind me 35mph, but 18 - 22mph is plenty fast enough for me. PS the chain ring used in the video was that standard 46 tooth that came with the kit, since using the Lekkie I have had no chain drops or slips.
Hi Mick. I was both peddling and using the throttle, once you put the throttle on the pas is none existent and the motor gets full power. The good thing is that I was sat peddling and not having to stand and peddle. I think it would have gone up the hills using just pas but I would have had to drop a gear or two.
@@robertallport3126 Thank you Robert i was thinking about removing the throttle completely and just peddle.Is that possible.In the uk, are throttles not illegal.I want to be able to move quickly so im say going 25 mph and not have to worry about being nicked lol .
@@hixyhicks Yes you can remove the throttle completely and the PAS will work fine (BBS02). As for ‘are throttles not illegal’ I looked in to this a few years ago and it’s not black and white, even on the Government advice site it’s not 100% clear, generally I think throttles are frowned upon in the UK, but I did read if you have a disability (and I do) you can use a throttle. E-Bike law seems to be very grey and vague in the UK and advice even vaguer.
Hi ...I have a BBSHD and would be interested in buying the new chain which you discussed, can you let me know where to buy ? I’m sure it must be a great benefit.?
Hi, yep the Lekkie chain ring makes a huge difference, I got mine from the link below, be sure to buy the correct one for the HD motor as the BBS01, BBS02 are different to the HD chain ring. www.brightonebikes.co.uk/store/c11/Lekkie®_Bling_Rings.html
I am currently using the 42 tooth but wish I had stuck with the 46 tooth which is the original size that came with the BBS02 kit. I have tried the 52 tooth but found it had a little too much torque and speed for my casual style of riding. If you’re happy with the chain ring size you are currently using I’d stick with the same size. Depending on your bike frame in particular your Chainstays you may have to use spaces so the chain ring clears the Chainstays, the larger the tooth size the more spaces you may need, I just use washers as spaces. Also the larger the tooth size the more strain it will place on your motor and controller especially when setting off and on steep hills, setting off and climbing hills in a low gear is always a good idea. The Controller is the weakest part of the BBS range and can be damaged by too much strain or constantly using the throttle. I have also got an upgraded Controller from these guys which is supposed to take anything you can throw at it but I hav'ent had chance to try it yet. lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-replacement-controller/
On most of the steep hills I have to climb I don’t often drop below 13mph, my usual speed up steep hills is 15mph with the BBS02 in 750 watt mode and the bike in 3rd gear, just this week I’ve passed the 5000 mile mark with no breakages or break downs, the motor (not the battery) has been through flood water being completely submerged with no problems. If I had to make the decision I would go for the BBSHD. The BBSHD wasn’t available when I got the BBS02.
I wouldn’t want to ride it more than a few hundred yards with the motor turned off, the bike is much heavier than a normal bike and yes there is resistance. A fitter person than me may be able to ride it further, I have COPD which is why I got the kit in the first place.
@@robertallport3126 thanks! The extra weight is to be expected but the resistance is a problem for me. I guess this is because the rotor turns with the pedals.
I don’t have any equipment to measure the temperature of the motor, but the temperature did cross my mind, on touch alone the motor was warm but not hot.
Hi Ante, personally whatever the situation (Hill’s / Weight) I’d go for the largest motor and battery that you can afford and that’s legal where you live. My motor is 750w but the legal limit in the UK is 250w, I have a device that unfortunately is no longer available that allows me to switch between 250w, 500w or 750w, so I can use the bike legally (250w) on the roads but can switch to 750w for off road use.
With the stock Bafang chain ring it will if the chain line is not good. The BLING RING, especially the 42 tooth is magic and really a requirement for the Bafang mid mount motors. It moves the chain in about 7mm making for a lot better chain line. Plus it has better teeth to hang onto the chain better too.
When I bought my kit it came with a device that allowed you to change the power output the controller sent to the motor from between 250, 500, 750 watt, so you could be road legal for commuting but increase the power for off road use. But I’ve just looked at the website and it looks like they no longer sell the device. I did over 7000 miles over 2 years commuting to work and I never had an issue with the police or anyone else. Nowadays I only use the bike for leisure and off-roading.
@@hixyhicks Hi, I have my kit on order and it has been dispatched awaiting delivery. I've ordered a gear change sensor from elsewhere, this link explains ebikechoices.com/bafang-bbs01-250w-review/ This review dictated also my choice of display. Hope this helps
Hi, when the video was made I was using the standard Chainring that came with the kit; I forget how many teeth it had; I think it was 46. But since the chain drop I swapped to a 42 tooth Lekkie Chainring.
Can anyone tell me what Type Chain I will need for a New off Road Bafang 1000w Motor as I am Converting my Scott Aspect 930- model2016 Mountain bike for summer time use.
Arthur Thompson Just go for a stack of shimano chains (slightly longer than your current chain). My 750w mid-drive costed me 2 chains over the last year. A belt would be better but they are extremely rare...
Hi, if you reduce the power to 250watt which is the lowest my BBS02 will go, it will still climb the hills but you would have to drop the gear to 1st or 2nd and the climb would be slower. I think I climbed the hills in the video in 3rd and 4th gear.
@@Midlothian1000 Hi, sorry for the delay in replying, I no longer use the bike or keep an eye on this channel hence the delay. When I bought my kit I also bought a device that allows you to re-programme the controller, but I’ve just looked on the dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk/ site and it looks like they no longer sell the device.
No no no! Don't listen to that nonsense! Trust Me, My hub drive will climb vertually anything, I know because I do it on, and off road every couple of days. And I'm not kidding you, Very steep hills!! Just check out My TH-cam/ Instagram channel instagram.com/likeher9/. Please don't believe this hub drives can't climb baloney.
Hub drives - particularily rear-wheel-drive hubs can help you on steep hills, but it is still hard work. Trust me, i know, and i am looking to upgrade to a mid-drive bike as soon as i can because my rear wheel spokes keep on breaking and that is totally unacceptable.
@@PEMBYSGAMINGWORLD i had My rear wheel hand built £80 and its never broke a spoke since, obviously cheap Chinese build before. I have a Haibike xduro allmtn 2.0 with a Yamaha PW-X motor 80nm of torque. Remember, I have both a mid drive, and a hub drive. So these are actual facts. If they were both 250watt, the mid drive will climb much better. But My hub drive is 2000watt, with throttle, it destroys the 250watt mid drive climbing. It's fare to say though, that like for like, the mid drive has the edge on climbing. But make no mistake, powerful hub drives can definitely climb - big time. This entire subject is a case of swings and roundabouts though. They really do (each) do different things better. And mid drives are factually no more efficient than hub drives! But are way more complicated, and way more expensive.
@@VideoMusicManiacPlace I still have that wheel and it would be good to make it a front wheel and have a dual motor bike - but i am not that clever haha.
No the motor is very quiet. The only reason you may hear it on the video is because the camera is clamped to the bike frame. The tyres on the road make more noise than the motor.
You do know that the BBS02 is illegal on public roads in the Uk (power limit of 250W) being 500-700 W ? You can be prosecuted for riding a scooter without plates, licence, insurance or a helmet. If you hit somebody can be sent to prison aswell as a big fine. You are encouraging people to break the law.
@@e-bikebloggeruk3901 I exchanged tickets for a classical concert at the Albert Hall for a listen to this recording - well I was appalled at the audio - tsk tsk - I won't be doing that again in a hurry -
For some people sarcasm need only be applied sparingly to illicit an appreciation of intent. But for others it seems no amount of embellishment in that regard will trigger a suitable cerebral response. For anyone considerably thicker than a lamp post who did not understand my previous contribution to this thread, I was being heavily sarcastic.
I Love this Video. You have given me great inspiration, I can now build my own E-Bike but with a Front hub Dynamo so I can go YHA Hosteling to reclaim my Lost Youth........and carry my own Tent with Touring Large Size Carradice Panniers Here we Go and other essential things I need to Escape from Winter Months, as Spring and Summer start New Year with Excitement ! Lulworth Cove, Beer. Dartmoor, Boswinger, Coverack, Lands-End or Penzance, and up the other side, Treyarnon Bay, to Tinagel, and more Exciting Trips to make when we discover what Great Britain has to offer, on my New E-bike YHA Adventure.!!!
my daughterhas the bbs 02 on her bike with a 48 v battery .i have the bbshd on my downhill bike with52v .im veryimpressed at both motors .ive seen hers pushclose to a thousand watts and mine over 1600
What a stunning ride.❤
With the right gearing you can climb anything.
No these are not legal as in they are not 250 watts, however , if you look at watts alone neither are the "legal" bikes like Bosch, Panasonic etc. The Bosch bikes are around 500+ watts.
Watts does not matter , the important thing is to limit speed but also acceleration and it must be pedelec only , no throttle and must engage the motor only through force on the pedals.
250 Watts wouldn't really pull you out of bed, of course as I said with the correct gearing you can climb anything but on very steep trails it could be painfully slow with only 250 watts.
I have a Haibike EQ Trekking from 2013 with 45-50 Nm torque, it is good and has pulled me up 20-25% grade but they make you work because they have torque sensors, the harder you pedal the more power the motor gives making it feel a lot more natural.
The BBS02 in the video has about 120 Nm torque and the larger BBSHD has 160 Nm, a far cry from the Bosch 45-50 that I have but the newer ones have up to 75 Nm.
Legislators probably have no basic understanding of electronics/mechanics and come up with ridiculous limits like 250 watts, yes it gives you assistance, the bare minimum but it does not make sense to limit by watts alone because heavy riders, heavy cargo bikes all have the 250 watt limit which makes 0 sense.
The important thing to remember is to ride responsibility no matter what you're riding. Just because someone has an accident on an ebike doesn't mean the cause was the ebike just like when a Tesla has an accident when in autopilot mode, you can't blame the car.......
ebikes are great fun and I lost 20 kg on an ebike because it gave me incentive to get out and not be afraid of hills and wind.
It's 250w continuous output, not peak power.
Not very helpful as there is no specification over how long continuous is..............
A throttle is legal as long as it doesn't take you past 6 mph.
From my understanding most e bikes are illegal (including integrated bought ones), because the speed limit is changeable through button presses, rather than being "baked" into the firmware.
I remember reading Bosche were doing something about that though.
The 15 mph limit is stupid. 22, or power fading out from 15 to 22 would be better.
It's really idiotic that a weirdo in licra can do 10 mph + faster than you, just because he doesn't have a motor.
"ebikes are great fun and I lost 20 kg on an ebike because it gave me incentive to get out and not be afraid of hills and wind.
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That is exactly why I will have one, when my battery BMS is found by the Post Office.
Beautiful U.K Country Side, I really miss that.
yeah my bike is similar but im using a 1500w hub motor, it does struggle on insane hills like those, especially when limited to 1kw in the controller settings. I wonder how flat ground speeds compare though. have you thought about trying to put one of these motors on a super light roadbike with narrow tyres ?
Where do you get your batteries here in the uk?
I've just bought a bike with the bafang bbshd mid-drive motor if it's nearly as good as this I'll be very happy because I live in Sheffield and as you know there's lots of hills so thanks for doing this hill climb test 💙👍🏾💯
BBSHD should be around 1.5 times better
Hi Rory, how did you find your bbshd? I too live in Sheffield, and am wondering what I need to get up all these hills!
If I was you I would get the mid-drive ither the bbs02 or bbshd they will get you up those hills my friend 😊👍🏾
I don't ride fast on the road or bike paths but one day I got the bike up2 34mph with out really trying I was still sat in my seat I was on a bike path near Rother Valley but I had to to test it out just once
@@ashghinn4630 get the bbshd you will love it i can't wait for the waether to change so i can get out there
My heart stopped for a moment there when that car came around the blind corner ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! :)
Great work on video mate greetings from Spain
just bought one and accidently took all the strava koms around my local hills haha they are game changers 48years old type 1 diabetic lol
I also had Strava running on my Mobile while hill climbing, and of course went to the top of the lists. Also getting complimented by all the local cyclists. I had to admit I had help from the BBS02. I don’t use Strava anymore as it didn’t impress the local cyclists. Glad you’re enjoying the BBS02. I’m 57 with COPD and love it.
@@robertallport3126 haha but sorry to hear about the copd ive just lost my dad to it at 71 years old but these things are 20 times better than what you could imagine when you try one im loving it mate
Does going up those hills, suck up the battery ?
so it's still working in June 2019?
Hi Paul. Sorry somehow missed your comment. It’s still working now (June 2020) I don’t use it for my work commute anymore (now self employed) but still go out on weekend rides occasionally, the range has dropped to about 70% but that’s the battery not the motor. All in all it’s been a good bit of kit.
Install a front derailleur it will stop your chain from coming off
What a delightful journey you have. Are you thumbing it always or using pedal assist. Curious on your take on the BBs02 pedal assist if willing to share?
Hi, thanks for your comment, I mainly use pedal assist, I have my BBS02 set at 9 levels of assist mainly using 4,5,6 but pump it up to level 9 on the larger hills for my daily work commute of between 19-25 miles (depending on my route) round trip which is also hilly but not like the hills in the video, I mainly use the throttle for a few seconds when setting off or for a bit of a speed boost, 90% of the time it’s pedal assist only. I find the pedal assist to be very good on my BBS02 but this is the only E-Bike I have ever ridden so can’t compare it with other types of E-Bike. I use a 48V - 11.4 amp-hour battery and have managed 32 miles and still have battery left after a casual Sunday ride.
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Hi. Do you ever get pulled by the police just to check the bike? I am debating between the bbs01 and 02.
Depends on if you want to go to jail or not, the bbs01 is the only legal one. If you have an accident they will check your bike.
@@DemiGod.. thanks, I already have the one I am not disclosing for privacy lol.
I live in a very hilly part of Devon and was wondering if the 36v 250w version would be enough for me? Out of interest what wattage is your 48v version?
i have 36v 500 w version. on low asist mode from 144m to 360 m climbing along 12 km The journey lasted 35 minutes. i am 92 kg , bike claud buttler city explorer. road was country road. low asist mode use battery less capacity 5 Ah. i am pleased. 36v 10 A battery is 45 km roads with low asist mode no sweat. i am nor english and i am using google translate. I hope I could help
nurullah coşkun thanks mate 😀
Go to ebike store and rent a ebike. All legal ebikes are 250watt + peak power that is around 500. Try them out and see for yourself... your jaw will drop.
Hi. I live in Sheffield. Could you tell me the best place to buy a bafang mid drive set up like yours. Thanks james
Hi James, I can’t say where the best place would be to buy a kit, I bought mine from
dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk/collections/e-bike-conversion-kits
But you can buy them cheaper from ebay or amazon.
Hills? Come out to Denver, I'll show you some hills.
Word! What's he talking about!
Funny thing is, There are plenty of beefy gnarly inclines in his part of the country.. But he defiantly didn't get anywhere near them lol I guess the term hill is subjective 😂
Is it ok to ride on main roads with your bike ? It makes so much sense with all these hills , I don’t believe that smaller motors would be anywhere near powerful enough to cope ...?
No. If you get caught , it is a big fine and prison if in an accident, plus points on your licence if you have one. The max you can ride on public roads is 250W , the BBS02 is 500-750W which is classed as a scooter. You wll be prosecuted for riding a moped without isnruance road tax, helmet.
What kind of range to you get around here with the hills i also live in Sheffield wondering if its a good option
Hi Jaxon, On average I use to get 18-22 miles (48V, 11.4Ah battery) on my half hilly half flattish commute to work, but on mostly level ground 30-35 miles if I put a little extra effort in.
@@robertallport3126 alright thank you
Hi, good video, I'm thinking of converting my carrera vengeance to a mid drive ebike. As you've already done it, did you have any trouble with the cables that go under the bottom bracket, or is there enough clearance for them to work?
Hi Andrew
The front derailleur cable is removed completely along with the front derailleur. When your fitting the motor you can position it so the rear cable has plenty of room under the bottom bracket. The only slight issue I had was the screw that secures the cable guide under the bottom bracket actually protrudes into the bottom bracket, a quick file soon solved the issue. Good luck with your conversion I’ve done almost 7000 miles on mine now.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for information about the screw. On another matter, do you have any trouble with the police, as it's higher powered than the law allows?
As with most of the Self Conversion Kits you can limit the Power and Speed to meet the law in the UK and in all honestly I find riding at 250 watt and keeping the powered speed below 15.5mph very relaxing, it will still climb the hills, just a little slower. But to answer your question I have had no encounters with the Police, in fact in all the time I’ve been riding the Bike I have only ever seen the Police twice. But I normally ride in power level 2 out of 5 so I don’t attract attention by going too fast and my trips are usually on quiet roads. If I was to ride in a Town Centre I think I would keep it at 250 watts as a safety issue.
Robert Allport What tooth front chain ring are you using? Also what sort off top speed are you able to achieve?
At the moment I have the Lekkie® Bling Ring 42 tooth Chain Ring on the bike but must admit I wish I'd chosen the 46 Tooth, it’s available from www.brightonebikes.co.uk My average speed is around 20mph but on a flat road with no wind I can reach 30mp without too much effort with the wind behind me 35mph, but 18 - 22mph is plenty fast enough for me. PS the chain ring used in the video was that standard 46 tooth that came with the kit, since using the Lekkie I have had no chain drops or slips.
Are you peddling up the hill or using the throttle?.I have just bought the hd version but just want to use pas.
Hi Mick. I was both peddling and using the throttle, once you put the throttle on the pas is none existent and the motor gets full power. The good thing is that I was sat peddling and not having to stand and peddle. I think it would have gone up the hills using just pas but I would have had to drop a gear or two.
@@robertallport3126 Thank you Robert i was thinking about removing the throttle completely and just peddle.Is that possible.In the uk, are throttles not illegal.I want to be able to move quickly so im say going 25 mph and not have to worry about being nicked lol .
@@hixyhicks Yes you can remove the throttle completely and the PAS will work fine (BBS02). As for ‘are throttles not illegal’ I looked in to this a few years ago and it’s not black and white, even on the Government advice site it’s not 100% clear, generally I think throttles are frowned upon in the UK, but I did read if you have a disability (and I do) you can use a throttle. E-Bike law seems to be very grey and vague in the UK and advice even vaguer.
@@robertallport3126 New Bikes, no throttle allowed, older bikes have grandfather rights so you wont get nicked.
Hi ...I have a BBSHD and would be interested in buying the new chain which you discussed, can you let me know where to buy ? I’m sure it must be a great benefit.?
Hi, yep the Lekkie chain ring makes a huge difference, I got mine from the link below, be sure to buy the correct one for the HD motor as the BBS01, BBS02 are different to the HD chain ring.
www.brightonebikes.co.uk/store/c11/Lekkie®_Bling_Rings.html
E-Bike Blogger UK ......Many Thanks !!
E-Bike Blogger UK I have just looked at the website for the ring , can you recommend the best tooth number?
I am currently using the 42 tooth but wish I had stuck with the 46 tooth which is the original size that came with the BBS02 kit. I have tried the 52 tooth but found it had a little too much torque and speed for my casual style of riding. If you’re happy with the chain ring size you are currently using I’d stick with the same size. Depending on your bike frame in particular your Chainstays you may have to use spaces so the chain ring clears the Chainstays, the larger the tooth size the more spaces you may need, I just use washers as spaces. Also the larger the tooth size the more strain it will place on your motor and controller especially when setting off and on steep hills, setting off and climbing hills in a low gear is always a good idea. The Controller is the weakest part of the BBS range and can be damaged by too much strain or constantly using the throttle. I have also got an upgraded Controller from these guys which is supposed to take anything you can throw at it but I hav'ent had chance to try it yet.
lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-replacement-controller/
E-Bike Blogger UK ....You are a mind of information!! Most appreciated and I must admit it would be great to have a chat over a pint or two...
How much did you get on the odometer? Had any major breaks? Thinking on getting either the bbs02 or bbshd
On most of the steep hills I have to climb I don’t often drop below 13mph, my usual speed up steep hills is 15mph with the BBS02 in 750 watt mode and the bike in 3rd gear, just this week I’ve passed the 5000 mile mark with no breakages or break downs, the motor (not the battery) has been through flood water being completely submerged with no problems. If I had to make the decision I would go for the BBSHD. The BBSHD wasn’t available when I got the BBS02.
how does it ride with the motor turned off? is there any extra resistance compared to an ordinary bike?
I wouldn’t want to ride it more than a few hundred yards with the motor turned off, the bike is much heavier than a normal bike and yes there is resistance. A fitter person than me may be able to ride it further, I have COPD which is why I got the kit in the first place.
@@robertallport3126 thanks! The extra weight is to be expected but the resistance is a problem for me. I guess this is because the rotor turns with the pedals.
Have you monitored motor temp while climbing all those hills?
I don’t have any equipment to measure the temperature of the motor, but the temperature did cross my mind, on touch alone the motor was warm but not hot.
hello what do you recommend from the motor to buy a bafang 250w or 500w place with a lot of uphills and 115 kg weigh
Hi Ante, personally whatever the situation (Hill’s / Weight) I’d go for the largest motor and battery that you can afford and that’s legal where you live. My motor is 750w but the legal limit in the UK is 250w, I have a device that unfortunately is no longer available that allows me to switch between 250w, 500w or 750w, so I can use the bike legally (250w) on the roads but can switch to 750w for off road use.
@@robertallport3126 It is still illegal if you switch it to 250w
Hi, do you have any problems with the bottom bracket coming loose?
Hi Neil, no never had an issue with the the bottom bracket.
Does chain come off on rough ground a lot ?
With the stock Bafang chain ring it will if the chain line is not good. The BLING RING, especially the 42 tooth is magic and really a requirement for the Bafang mid mount motors. It moves the chain in about 7mm making for a lot better chain line. Plus it has better teeth to hang onto the chain better too.
What size motor was this running? Thanks
For the hill climbs, it was 750 watt.
Is this even legal, I'm considering getting a bbs02 or a bbshd for my Merida big nine 400, worried I'll get in trouble even with speed limiting
When I bought my kit it came with a device that allowed you to change the power output the controller sent to the motor from between 250, 500, 750 watt, so you could be road legal for commuting but increase the power for off road use. But I’ve just looked at the website and it looks like they no longer sell the device. I did over 7000 miles over 2 years commuting to work and I never had an issue with the police or anyone else. Nowadays I only use the bike for leisure and off-roading.
Where is a good place to buy bafang kits in the uk. Or a respected china retailer, please.
I have one on order from Amazon BBS01B Kit 250W 19.2AH battery for £399. Check the variants as the price varies
@@pc6213 Paul do you have a link, please. Which vender are you using?
@@hixyhickswww.amazon.co.uk/Bafang-Electric-Conversion-Mountain-C965-46T/dp/B07VVQBPCS/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=bafang%2Bmid%2Bdrive%2B250w&qid=1590218983&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExOU1MTjkxQklDVEtEJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODY5OTE3OFY0UTAwOFpUOVc3JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA5NTUyNjgzTkdGMVlWS0pTUzlKJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1
@@hixyhicks Hi, I have my kit on order and it has been dispatched awaiting delivery. I've ordered a gear change sensor from elsewhere, this link explains ebikechoices.com/bafang-bbs01-250w-review/ This review dictated also my choice of display. Hope this helps
@@pc6213 Thank you very much .
What size chain ring do you use?
Hi, when the video was made I was using the standard Chainring that came with the kit; I forget how many teeth it had; I think it was 46. But since the chain drop I swapped to a 42 tooth Lekkie Chainring.
Robert Allport that's great thanks. 👍
I dont suppose you remember what mudguards those are? They look just the job!
Sorry the only thing I can remember is that they were from Halfords.
Can anyone tell me what Type Chain I will need for a New off Road Bafang 1000w Motor as I am Converting my Scott Aspect 930- model2016 Mountain bike for summer time use.
Arthur Thompson Just go for a stack of shimano chains (slightly longer than your current chain). My 750w mid-drive costed me 2 chains over the last year. A belt would be better but they are extremely rare...
I believe there are heavy duty chains made for gas bikes that could be used. Ask your local bike shop.
What chain did you buy? I got the KMC eBike chain. Zero issues at 500 miles.
Could you climb the big hill on motor power only?
I guess you could still climb the hill as I put very little effort in to the climb, but you may have to drop down a gear.
I can on mine at 13-15 mph. About any hill...
If you limit power by 200w would it be able to climb?
Hi, if you reduce the power to 250watt which is the lowest my BBS02 will go, it will still climb the hills but you would have to drop the gear to 1st or 2nd and the climb would be slower. I think I climbed the hills in the video in 3rd and 4th gear.
E-Bike Blogger UK Hi ..I am very interested in how you can lower your wattage to 250w ?? Can you please help out .
@@Midlothian1000 Hi, sorry for the delay in replying, I no longer use the bike or keep an eye on this channel hence the delay. When I bought my kit I also bought a device that allows you to re-programme the controller, but I’ve just looked on the dillengerelectricbikes.co.uk/ site and it looks like they no longer sell the device.
mid drives can easily climb steep hills, hub motors on other hand almost never can or struggle.
No no no! Don't listen to that nonsense! Trust Me, My hub drive will climb vertually anything, I know because I do it on, and off road every couple of days. And I'm not kidding you, Very steep hills!! Just check out My TH-cam/ Instagram channel instagram.com/likeher9/. Please don't believe this hub drives can't climb baloney.
Hub drives - particularily rear-wheel-drive hubs can help you on steep hills, but it is still hard work. Trust me, i know, and i am looking to upgrade to a mid-drive bike as soon as i can because my rear wheel spokes keep on breaking and that is totally unacceptable.
@@PEMBYSGAMINGWORLD i had My rear wheel hand built £80 and its never broke a spoke since, obviously cheap Chinese build before. I have a Haibike xduro allmtn 2.0 with a Yamaha PW-X motor 80nm of torque. Remember, I have both a mid drive, and a hub drive. So these are actual facts. If they were both 250watt, the mid drive will climb much better. But My hub drive is 2000watt, with throttle, it destroys the 250watt mid drive climbing. It's fare to say though, that like for like, the mid drive has the edge on climbing. But make no mistake, powerful hub drives can definitely climb - big time. This entire subject is a case of swings and roundabouts though. They really do (each) do different things better. And mid drives are factually no more efficient than hub drives! But are way more complicated, and way more expensive.
@@PEMBYSGAMINGWORLD It's not the motor it's the wheel build.
@@VideoMusicManiacPlace I still have that wheel and it would be good to make it a front wheel and have a dual motor bike - but i am not that clever haha.
I have a 20 inch fat bike with a 500w bafang motor, climbed 800+ meters in 15km, see it on my channel
I don’t see a single hill in this entire video. If anything you’re going down hill.
The motor is noisy
No the motor is very quiet. The only reason you may hear it on the video is because the camera is clamped to the bike frame. The tyres on the road make more noise than the motor.
You do know that the BBS02 is illegal on public roads in the Uk (power limit of 250W) being 500-700 W ? You can be prosecuted for riding a scooter without plates, licence, insurance or a helmet. If you hit somebody can be sent to prison aswell as a big fine.
You are encouraging people to break the law.
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You know the audio is awful right ?
Hi, Yes I know the audio is awful, but I wasn’t trying to demonstrate my poor recording or vocal skills, people can always use the volume control.
E-Bike Blogger UK I thought the audio was alright
@@e-bikebloggeruk3901 I exchanged tickets for a classical concert at the Albert Hall for a listen to this recording - well I was appalled at the audio - tsk tsk - I won't be doing that again in a hurry -
For some people sarcasm need only be applied sparingly to illicit an appreciation of intent. But for others it seems no amount of embellishment in that regard will trigger a suitable cerebral response. For anyone considerably thicker than a lamp post who did not understand my previous contribution to this thread, I was being heavily sarcastic.