2009 Living at THAMESMEAD past vs today, discussions, teenagers, elderly views, future culture...
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Thamesmead is one of the most controversial housing developments in Europe (2009).
Town of the 21st Century?
Various screenings of Tara film "1974 Living at Thamesmead in 2009" The 1974 film is shown to different groups within Thamesmead and discussions on their views of how Thamesmead was.
Was Thamesmead a mistake?
How do people see Thamesmead now?
Opinions vary widely.
Reaction to early days?
GLC collection LMA.
What happened to Thamesmead?
Residents fighting for what they needed TCA.
Shame campaign with damp.
Insight newspapers.
Football.
Radio stations.
Thamesmead Town show.
GLC and politics.
Private investment.
Better "then" or "now"?
A clockwork orange? the tragedy of Thamesmead?
TYAP Thamesmead Youth Awareness project.
Teenagers
Change? Big time? People?
Put your name down for a flat then, how's it done today?
Tensions between communities.
Age concern pop in parlour.
Community spirit.
Before and After.
Festival attacks
Diverse community?
Different cultural backgrounds not mixing.
Indigenous peoples.
Death of Thamesmead
Is the spirit gone?
Trust Thamesmead.
Community development and services.
Brutalist architecture
Murder at Thamesmead
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Hi, me again, just showed this to my mum. I didn't notice before she's the lady in that newspaper photo with the 4 girls at 29:40. And one of those girls is my sister, Caroline. She'll be turning 57 next month.
My parents and I moved away from Thamesmead in Oct 2010 and now live in Suffolk. Mostly cuz of all the stabbings, murders, muggings, drunks, people mouthing off etc. We used to live at 17 Wolvercote Road (17:40). My mum moved in there with her first husband and my half-brothers and sisters in May 1971. And no one had already lived in the house before hand, so my mum was therefore the original tenant. While we're happy in Suffolk (though my dad died in Dec 2021), I do often miss Thamesmead after growing up there. While it has looked filthy and grotty over the years, I do feel sad it's now being pulled down. Which is why my mum and I are making the most of visiting there a few times while we still can before Wolvercote Road gets pulled down. Plus one of my sisters lives in one of the tower blocks at Alsike Road. Though the new buildings at Tavy Bridge do look quite impressive.
Wow I really enjoyed watching this! It was lovely to see the past and present residents talking about living in Thamesmead!
I’ve always been fascinated by this very unique estate and it’s city in the sky!
I think it was truly ground breaking architecture, it’s such a shame it didn’t get finished!
Thanks for a great documentary 😊
The older generations should be listened to and respected. They are right, they are the indigenous First Nation people in England.
Young ppl should stop listening to the bbc etc and stop staring at their brainwashing i phones and listen to the living history and wisdom and lived experience of these older people. Their older people.
They are talking about the london they knew, their parents and grand parents knew and so on. The real london. The real Londoners. It’s in their souls and their dna..
Being a Londoner isn’t up for sale or on offer. It can’t be CULTURALLY APPROPRIATED by simply turning up to london. Watch those elderly ppl again and actually listen to them. Their history and their lives.
Their london is still tangible and real if you know where to look.
It is The only london that anyone really cares about, wants to visit, to write about, to discuss etc. and while it can be visited or ppl can move there. It cannot be bought or culturally appropriated.
These First Nation real Londoners need to be given protected status in sadiq khan’s modern london.
Diversity has now in 2023 just come to mean no white ppl. And the media and sadiq khan would have have this celebrated while they edit your history. Give yourselves a clap.
The young blonde guy talking to different groups is a symptom of modern corporate times and just repeats what is currently fashionable. What his I phone tells him. The kind of person who thinks he has the answer before he has asked the question - because he knows what is fashionable. Hitler would have loved this type of gen z idiot.
The blacks guys are right people don’t want to live near them and move away and they know why. Just check violent crime stats etc etc. it’s all searchable.
White working class Londoners have been punched down on hard by middle and upper class ppl for generations. As if fighting in two world wars wasnt suffering enough. Now elitists displace them and alienate them in their older years and call them racists for talking about being displaced and treated like cattle - SHAME ON YOU
Migrationwatch.com
I have an S9 and I don't watch BBC, in fact I know no one who does
How far we’ve fallen is absolutely staggering ! 😢
💯 correct mate
Laughed I wet myself! You think your grandma is indigenous First Nation people in England! OH MY DAYZ! I bet you you voted for Brexit and again for Reform
Unbelievably great. Thank you to all that made this available.
Fascinating documentary. I've never been to Thamesmead but having been born and brought up in a "new town" in the north east it was interesting to see how another new town came about.
I think we all known what turned this development into what it has become!
Lack of opportunity
This Place Was Nice Before The White People Moved In ( SAID NOBODY EVERY )
@@asa1973100there’s a reason the people in the 3rd world can’t organise their own country’s and then come to Britain and bring that tradition with them.
This could have been a second Barbican if so many corners hadn't been cut.
Barbican only barbican because of it's location it's a five min walk to the city, thamesmead like a 3 hour walk lol
I only know Thamesmead thanks to the show Misfits, I'm so invested in this place now thanks for the vid :D
I’m sure a lot of people would disagree but the original architecture was amazing , modern and brutalist . I’m not from London but I read the complete estate was never finished ? Very interesting 👍🏻
Excellent video.
I lived in Abbey Wood, but my children went to school in Thamesmead in the 90s.
By far the best film about Thamesmead I have ever seen, I have to admit to tears streaming down my face at the end, perfect closure.
Excellent video. Loved the format
Brilliant film, thank you.
It is not very different to housing estates today. They build them, sell the flats and then never do anything again in terms of investment or maintenance. The only place where this is different is the Barbican.
I saw the 1970 film at school in about 1972.
Great documentary.
Just because he was old, doesn't mean his view wasn't valid. That old guy has lived in Thamsmead longer than you've been alive, I think he has a fair idea of what's causing the problems there. Very patronising.
I lived there for five years from 1972, it was a great place to live, so I know what I'm talking about.
Your totally correct, it was a typical middle class, academic, civil servant leftie attitude. He just painted him as a racist, probably because that suited his narrative and his pre conceptions. Found it disgusting tbh.
It’s interesting in Asia this is the norm. The sign of making a good living.
That’s actually me taking the massive handful of crisps
Love the pro marriage push at the end!
It’s all been worth it for the spicy 🌶️ food
50s/60s urban planners were the worst in British history. You can never find anything in the maze of numbers and you feel depressed being there for too long......The award for best urban planners still goes to the Victorian's.
Just like in Willie Wonka, she went first.
You talked to seniors and teens and little kids. But you didn’t walk talk to the 30’s and 40’s parents. The men and women in their 20’s, 30’s and 40’s with kids are the ones that started and ran the football club, got the leaks fixed, started and kept up the festival and more in the early 70’s. Went to church and worked to get the school infrastructure. The two teenagers, as the kids called them, just walked into an office to get on the list for housing. I have a job. It’s time to put our name on the list. It’s not like that anymore. And not just cause some bought their flats. I can see the seniors very concerned that young couples can’t move in before kids when they have been working. When people get a chance to get council accommodation they are put in a substandard and crowded temp accommodation for years and then have no real choice as to where they go. The teen said the elderly don’t like seeing us all bare. In the video they were friendly with the young couple who quite frankly practically made a baby on the grass. I’m obviously American. Gosh I was a little worried the brownie kids seeing them all over each other on the couch. People don’t want flats. They want a 2-3 bed house semi or terraced with a garden and a parking spot 10 feet or less from their property. From the towers it must feel like they are in a prison like the Tower of London. From the ground level homes the towers ruin the view. Apartments are fine but next to two story homes it’s ridiculous for them to be that many floors all USSR like. It’s like Happy Valley. Why is there a couple tower blocks amongst all those regular houses? There is plenty of green lawn to spread out. I think the brownie group kids put their finger on it. “Why are those teenagers talking to those kids and picking them up?” You only talk to who you know and you don’t follow some strange girl into the dentist. When this was made people stayed a place 10 years or more. Near family. It settled people. You knew them as babies and then you knew them at 20. I would have liked the man asking the seniors that raised kids there how many of their kids live within 30 minutes of them. I suspect few and they are mad about that. Now people move often. Not by choice. Cause there is no settle in one place anymore at a place it’s easy to get to and from work and school, and that is why communities have changed. No nana can get the kids from school it’s 20 minutes for her to get them. I just watched the original film and I knew she was in Willie Wonka. The bean feast song is now in my head.
The teen said 'bare' as in lots of (street slang), not 'bare' as in naked. Hope that clears it up 🙂
I think it’s goofy they wanted people stranded when it flooded.
So it was a lie?
This Place Was Nice Before The White People Moved In ( SAID NOBODY EVERY )
Free housing for burdensome immigrants.