+Brad M (BradMx) It does cheer me up on a bad day cause they were great and inspiring. I loved the anti-star and interesting lyrics and vibe along with the unique vocal quality and timbre of Ian's voice. Some of the feelings in their music invoked ancient associations in spirit and they weren't afraid to probe the dark problem and history of the human condition. Yea, you could right a bunch of love songs to cheer people up but that is usually pretty boring. The best guys who sang of love also covered dark subjects sometimes like Bob Marley and Peter Tosh.
Brad M - I'm very nearly 58 , so i REALLY know what you mean !!! A few years ago i bought the " Heart And Soul " VERY expensive - nearly everything CD thingy in a nice Box with a Booklet Etc . Your comment is so correct to those of us 55+ Bracket !!! Luckily , Today , i was just trying out new Ear - phones , and , I'm not depressed ! But , for when i am.....there's always TH-cam and Ian Curtis to put things in perspective for me !!!
They don't cheer me up but I can definitely identify with the lyrics which is why I like them- it makes me feel like I'm not alone and I'm sure it is the same for many others.
The fact that anyone, let alone a young man in his early 20's, could possess such a voice and such a presence is simply mind-boggling! RIP Ian Curtis. The generations will be listening.
I'm busy reading Peter Hook's autobiography and he says that these words were penned by Ian Curtis who suffered from epilepsy - and this song is a direct reference to a woman he knew who died from a seizure. I am now listening to it with "different ears".
This songs just keeps winding up tighter, tighter, tighter, and the release never comes...its crazy. I keep waiting for an explosion of drums or guitar, some kind of change but it doesnt come and the song ends....The tension is incredible. You can feel it.
Best rithim section of all times... I'm serious, i've never seen any band like that: every instruments are protagonists. even drums are melodic. Really impressive
Love love love Ian Curtis! One of a kind, the best frontman of the 1980s, a doomed romantic poet, dearly missed. And his bandmates... to continue as New Order and continue to make great music... Unreal.
unfortunatebeam lol, you're right. But he was a huge influence on Robert Smith and Bono. Even noted JD hater Morrissey acknowledged his impact, as did The Fall's Mark E. Smith and Bauhaus' Peter Murphy(both kind of jealous/in awe of him).
This version is definitely better than the recorded one. Faster pace suits this song much better. Too bad there is no better quality of this performance.. but it's expectable since it was recorded in 1979.
Yes, this version is ridiculously good. I finish watching it and then I just end up watching it again. Curtis pulls something beyond amazing out of the bag here
The dance. The eyes. I heard this described as proto-hipster, but f it he's putting his soul into the work. You don't get that intensity much now, if ever.
Can you not feel the raw power and emotion conveyed? It does not matter the complexity of the guitar riffs and singing, It is the feeling and the chemistry of the group that works so well.
Joy Division was amazing, and the very central force of that amazingness was Ian. All these years later, and the loss of him still stings. His daughter Natalie, except for her mom's nose, is the very image of her father. Her eyes, the shape of her mouth... pure Ian. He would be very proud of her.
Soul Eruption There was something growing Through the pub smoke far away, deep underground in synaptic distress. There was something growing where the young men met the future where notions suicidally shake where private visions confess. Had to play it out, to the end Had to play it out, to the end Had to play it out, to the end. Something grew and erupted As new centuries beckoned On new waves and possible ends A life slips away, co-opted. Something grew and erupted writhed and seethed with ancient power Like a man who stands and faces it all with steadied hands. Where sings the living voice, dead? Where sings the living voice, now dead? Is there room in heaven for the angels of hopeless dread? He's lost control again - Isolation has its charms. He remembers nothing. He forgot what she said. Had to play it out, to the end Had to play it out, to the end Had to play it out, to the end. - Poem I wrote for Ian, comparing his death with the eruption of Mt. St. Helens, which occurred the same day. Cheers to all you fuckin' awesome JD fans.
Haunting and chilling performance. It's also sad to watch but also cool and energising. Words can't describe how I feel about this version of the song, everything in it is perfect. RIP Ian.
I've lost count how many times I've been here. This is I think the most watched Joy Division video for me. Great performance aside, it is also one of the few videos where Ian's epilepsy dance was captured in its full glory. No one dances like Ian. RIP.
Holy...Fucking...Wow! Until today I have never heard a Joy Division song, let alone seen a performance. This is just amazing. How have I never heard this before. I am in my late 30's, grew up listening to punk, grunge, and indie...but never heard this? I wish I could go back five minutes just so I could watch this video for the first time again. Wow!
Apart from the mesmeric singing, poignent lyrics, unique dancing, great bassline, inventive drumming and jagged edged guitar riff this song hasn't got much going for it.
Ian Curtis turned his private anguish of epilepsy into public art when dancing onstage. In doing this he epitomised the post-punk aesthetic of making folk dance while making them think at the same time.
you know, I have to say this performance is even better than the album version. This is for me, the definitive version...I cant think of a better compliment. It stunned me the first time I saw years ago when I wasnt a fan...it still mesmerises me now..as fresh and powerful as the first day I saw it.
+Vanadeo Its sad cause he's having a seizure and suffering horribly during this performance. He thought he made a fool of himself and it lead to harder depression for him that eventually piled up into creating problems in his personal life eventually leading to his suicide.
So few professionally-shot performances of this amazing band exist. I'm just thankful that they did songs on Something Else. No other band went to the dark places they went to and their music will live forever.
one of my favourite songs,honest, exhausted, angry, anxious and fragile. As tortured and frantic as this song may appear to sound, it's the truth in all it's ugly glory and god love him and the band for knowing that, interpreting it as the truth as they knew and weren't afraid of it. To me it's an amazing song for that very reason, but reason isn't a part of it, you just feel it : D
Ian sang and danced his living situation, he was so honest... and he helped me more than 30 years after his death, to be healthy again, as I was recently so sick that I almost died. Especially the song "Atmosphere" was always in my head, when I was in the ICU ... brilliant!
What I like about this video is that every member of the band is active and busy, each one is doing his *work*. This looks hard. The contributions make a total performance greater than the sum of its parts. Also, they are all good-looking, healthy English youths, fine young men.
Absolutely spellbinding performance from Curtis - I've seen New Order live loads - they my favourite band, to see Curtis perform live would have just been the best. Ste Morris well underrated drummer as a band tight as fuck. Quality.
I`m really old and remember the great bands of the day, there was a club in Ancoats Manchester called the Electric Circus which was a converted Cinema and where the screen used to be they had a stage, live acts every week ...I saw the stranglers , buzzcocks the jam and many more , it was rough but I loved it,Sadly it was closed due to health and safety concerns and probably complaints about the noise ( it was across from an housing estate)
They were so ahead of their time! Their music still walks all over most of today's stuff. Wish I could have seen you guys on the USA tour which of course...never happened. RIP Ian. See you in the afterlife.
I love the simplicity of their music. It helps to focus on the actual lyrics...they compliment each other nicely. I fucking love Joy Division, and unfortunately I can completely understand and relate to Ian's lyrics.
Same here. It's the only song I've ever listened in which I prefer the live over the recorded version. This version is faster and the guitar is way more obvious. I think that does it for me.
😂 I'm 54 and I listen to it every day. It's also funny to hear these comments about how it is such a cool news thing and how it is disturbing. What is disturbing is New Order after Ian's suicide putting out a video with a woman hanging from the ceiling in the background and none of the hundred people I know except me who is listened to it for the past 30 years ever noticed.
When I saw New Order in the 80s in Minneapolis they were just playing their techno pop crud except their remake of Ceremony. I didn't have TV then or computer. It was a long time before I noticed how dark they were during the period after and They found their own style.
Oops. One more. I'm 57, not 54 and the video with the lady hanging from the ceiling is leave me alone, the black and white video with the dark haired lady worker ber in an industrial city.
Then you've never lived with it. The magic of this song is how it so accurately captures what epilepsy is, from the out of synch beats to the heavy breaths, and that's even before you bring in Curtis' incredible words. The man was a tortured genius and this song alone, even without bringing in all the other amazing JD songs, shows that.
It was a debilitating disease back then and continues to be so today. However, the prescriptions today are much better than what it was in Ian's days. There was not a lot of attention given to epilepsy back then and most of the time patients were simply told to learn to live with it. The prescriptions were rubbish and acted more like a placebo than an actual remedy. Ian witnessed a girl with epilepsy lost control and who died from it. It made him think about himself who is also an epileptic and gave inspiration to this song. His fear of epilepsy was one of the factors that led to his suicide because he wanted to succeed and enjoy his life but he could not do that with the lingering fear that he could die anytime from epilepsy.
I had grand mal seizures (like Ian's) for quite awhile after a head injury when I was in my 20s. The seizures themselves are really scary--that is, the moments right before; you feel like you're just dying, the feeling of impending doom is unimaginably frightening, but then you're just, I don't know, "erased." So thankfully you are never around for all the thrashing around. Strangely, what is almost worse is the amnesia when you wake up. You feel like you've been beaten with a baseball bat - every muscle has clenched harder than you could ever do it voluntarily, so you have cramps & charlie horses everywhere & you have the worst imaginable headache, not to mention any injury you might have sustained when falling or banging your head or whatever). (once I woke up with two black eyes. Then there's the feeling of having some nice EMT bending over you saying "What's your name?" and you really cannot answer...You carry the fear around, you're constantly desperately afraid that you're going to have a seizure, you never know where or when, it could happen at any time., what do you do? You're constantly planning out how to protect yourself, is there something soft around, a pillow? Newspapers? a sweater? to put under your head, & that's assuming you even get any warning. It consumes your entire life. And the very panic & fear about having one can actually bring one on, so it's kind of self-fulfilling. Then there are the meds. This happened to me in the late 70s, same time it happened to Ian, & I was on some of the same drugs, & I can tell you that if all the above doesn't make you feel suicidal, the drug all by itself WILL. It's absolutely horrible stuff, all of it. Luckily for me after 5 years or so the seizures faded away & I stopped having them, but it sounds like Ian's were increasing in frequency & intensity. That would be a truly desperate situation, the fear it pulls out of you comes from a deep place in your psyche that you never knew existed. Absolutely deadly.
The prescriptions back then weren't exactly placebos -- but they were the shotgun effect, the neurological equivalent of, if you had an insect bite, taking an antihistamine orally vs. putting dot topically on the actual bite. They just numbed your brain so completely that you might not have any seizures but you didn't have any energy, your emotions were dulled, your thoughts fuzzy, you creativity zapped. Awful stuff. I've posted my experience of grand mal seizures, which Ian had, as I understand it,, above.
Amazing. YT does not do it justice. Stunning to see this Live, I was lucky in life. It cannot be described with words. But it was interstellar. Immortal. A kinder more loving universe then. This current universe is FUBAR!
Confusion in her eyes that says it all She's lost control And she's clinging to the nearest passer-by She's lost control And she gave away the secrets of her past and said I've lost control again And a voice that told her when and where to act, she said I've lost control again And she turned around and took me by the hand and said I've lost control again And how I'll never know just why or understand, she said I've lost control again And she screamed out kicking on her side and said I've lost control again And seized up on the floor, I thought she'd died, she said I've lost control again She's lost control again She's lost control She's lost control again She's lost control Well I had to 'phone her friend to state my case and say She's lost control again And she showed up all the errors and mistakes and said And said I've lost control again But she expressed herself in many different ways, until She lost control again And walked upon the edge of no escape, ang laughed I've lost control again She's lost control again She's lost control She's lost control again She's lost control I can live a little better with a message of lies When the darkness broke in, I said I broke down and cried I can live a little, say the wanted line When the day is dull, when the day has come To lose control
Ian was brilliant imagine if he could have held on a little longer the depth of his lyrics was brutally honest and haunting new order didn't add up to joy division
tilo dyer You saw that too, huh? When I saw her dancing on Saturday Night Live doing "Green Light" (awful song btw), this version of "SLC" is the first thing I thought of. If Lorde was allowed to really bare her emotions (i.e. let her do primal scream), she could do a fucking killer version of this song.
I can see a perception of pure energy if you didn't know that he was being treated for grand Mal seizures and other mental health problems and killed himself by hanging a few months later by hanging after cheating on his wife. I don't want that kind of energy. Plus, what's really weird is New order, band without ian, made a video with a woman in the background hanging from the ceiling. Spooky.
How can any human beings that possess any form of musical taste or a modicum of sense give this a thumbs down - 473 very emotionally crippled individuals ...
They're is actually some science behind it: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100520131431.htm But I assume that part of the reason people pick on Joy Division is because a large section of their fan base are extremely arrogant, condescending and pretentious ie: "473 very emotionally crippled individuals"
+Raymondspongey I think, with today's technology and techniques, people have become more accustomand accepting to more "perfect" tones and timing than emotion in music. And JD is maybe not "complex" enough for many.
walterbenford Totally agree, the emotion is the most vital ingredient in this music. We are talking real genuine pain. For a very short time Ian Curtis shone out like a diamond in the mire ..
I like this version better than the normal one sort of. In this one the lead guitar cuts through more which I like, and its a little faster, which I also like. Unfortunately- and unsurprisingly- the overall quality is lacking 😖 If it didn't sound so bad I would download it in an instant.
It's weird that this was my favorite Joy Division song for a long time but I didn't immerse myself deeply into the lyrics, until couple of months after I was diagnosed with epilepsy. It had a new meaning for me, terrifying, deeply saddening feeling emerges in me every time I hear it.
***** Either way he is a fucking knob. There was pop in the 70-80s too. That's where one direction came from. Not from Joy Division. Also New Order was a pretty poppy band. You can thank them too for paving the way for today's modern pop stars.
I love how all the instruments sound so distinct from eachother, yet they somehow work together.
One of the most astonishing, yet disturbing stage presences in music history.
check out an early Divinyls live performance.
@@shelbylioness_ who are you typing to?
@@shelbylioness_ who are you talking to, schizo? who's this "husband in heaven" you're referring to?
@@shelbylioness_ fuck you goofball
Exactly. He is.
You know you're having a bad day when you thing "Man I'm depressed, Oh, I know some Joy division will cheer me up".... and it does!
+Brad M (BradMx) It does cheer me up on a bad day cause they were great and inspiring. I loved the anti-star and interesting lyrics and vibe along with the unique vocal quality and timbre of Ian's voice. Some of the feelings in their music invoked ancient associations in spirit and they weren't afraid to probe the dark problem and history of the human condition. Yea, you could right a bunch of love songs to cheer people up but that is usually pretty boring. The best guys who sang of love also covered dark subjects sometimes like Bob Marley and Peter Tosh.
+James Chance we'll said
+James Chance absolutely agreed. For some.. Dark is a way to prove that light can be found
Brad M - I'm very nearly 58 , so i REALLY know what you mean !!! A few years ago i bought the " Heart And Soul " VERY expensive - nearly everything CD thingy in a nice Box with a Booklet Etc . Your comment is so correct to those of us 55+
Bracket !!! Luckily , Today , i was just trying out new Ear - phones , and , I'm not depressed ! But , for when i am.....there's always TH-cam and Ian Curtis to put things in perspective for me !!!
They don't cheer me up but I can definitely identify with the lyrics which is why I like them- it makes me feel like I'm not alone and I'm sure it is the same for many others.
I like this version more than the studio one. Sounds more raw. The guitar, bass and drums all sound wicked, and of course Curtis' dance.
The fact that anyone, let alone a young man in his early 20's, could possess such a voice and such a presence is simply mind-boggling! RIP Ian Curtis. The generations will be listening.
Well said
All 4 of them on top of their game. I'm lucky to have seen them 3 times. Never to be repeated or bettered.
Three times!
I am jealous
The best thing we have to be thankful about is that this vid was not only recorded but saved and uploaded.
***** i agree
Hypnotic, raw and dark
The absolute perfect way to explain it all
honest
And that's exactly why I love this band so much
piss, ass, poop
Emma Philomena i
I'm busy reading Peter Hook's autobiography and he says that these words were penned by Ian Curtis who suffered from epilepsy - and this song is a direct reference to a woman he knew who died from a seizure. I am now listening to it with "different ears".
Noone dies from a seizure.
My cousin's married to Peter hooks son.
My ex had that tattooed over her "area". I used to think that looked fucking rad. Now? Not so much. Kinda disturbing.
@@poiupoiupoiu4124 She fell while having the seizure and died from the head trauma
Astonishing.
You have to love that bass line, guitar riff and dancing by Ian.
This songs just keeps winding up tighter, tighter, tighter, and the release never comes...its crazy. I keep waiting for an explosion of drums or guitar, some kind of change but it doesnt come and the song ends....The tension is incredible. You can feel it.
Yup , the perfect way to explain it !
The epitomy of the song actually is his dance
1:35 if your looking for a shift into fast and loud instrumentation.
its only his dancing that makes him explode instead of the song
I was born in the same year as these guys 1956. I'm so glad that I was a part of that era growing up. They were magic, and they were magical times.
Best rithim section of all times...
I'm serious, i've never seen any band like that: every instruments are protagonists. even drums are melodic. Really impressive
Rythm*
Rhythm. no vowels…unusual.
I was just noticing the drum part and how he’s playing a line, not just a beat. I love it.
Very personal song to me - I am 40 with epilepsy - I know how it feels - mostly controlled but the fear is there.
Repect, x
I know the feeling... it sucks
Hope you get better. My mother suffered from epilepsy for a few years after I was born. My memories of my that age were mostly of playing with my dad.
Well said...same position myself
@@JN-nj8ju and me.....
Love love love Ian Curtis! One of a kind, the best frontman of the 1980s, a doomed romantic poet, dearly missed. And his bandmates... to continue as New Order and continue to make great music... Unreal.
+Jay Coburn Yeah he died waaaay too young for sure. But it's kind of funny you say that since he was only alive in the 80s for a few months.
unfortunatebeam
lol, you're right. But he was a huge influence on Robert Smith and Bono. Even noted JD hater Morrissey acknowledged his impact, as did The Fall's Mark E. Smith and Bauhaus' Peter Murphy(both kind of jealous/in awe of him).
1970s
Terrifying. Painful. Beautiful.
Radiohead take note_ THAT is how you transmit angst in your music
This version is definitely better than the recorded one. Faster pace suits this song much better. Too bad there is no better quality of this performance.. but it's expectable since it was recorded in 1979.
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Best one so far, but I'm still looking. It's not on any BBC DVD or other media to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, this version is ridiculously good. I finish watching it and then I just end up watching it again. Curtis pulls something beyond amazing out of the bag here
The dance. The eyes. I heard this described as proto-hipster, but f it he's putting his soul into the work. You don't get that intensity much now, if ever.
stand up, close your doors and windows. Turn up the sound of the music, close your eyes and just feel the music
You'll start moving like Ian
+Fraser Maccallum n because by shutting doors and windows you are preparing to lose control!
+brandybuck1984 which means you are not really losing control at all
+Gary Soto Хорошо сказал!)))
+Gary Soto Is true , I do this all the time, my body cant stop
so I lose control of my body
+Gary Soto lets hope not
Can you not feel the raw power and emotion conveyed? It does not matter the complexity of the guitar riffs and singing, It is the feeling and the chemistry of the group that works so well.
He was beautiful. He wasn’t perfect as we all aren’t, but his stage persona is magnetic
Joy Division was amazing, and the very central force of that amazingness was Ian. All these years later, and the loss of him still stings. His daughter Natalie, except for her mom's nose, is the very image of her father. Her eyes, the shape of her mouth... pure Ian. He would be very proud of her.
Never seen anyone replicate the trance Ian goes into on stage; confirming why he was and is still one of a kind.
No, there's loads like him on a psychiatric ward, straight-jacketed so he doesn't harm himself or the public.
Morrison... The guy who he's copying
Slaytallica
No... It was to do with his epilepsy, and having a eplieptics fit on stage , that's how it all came about. Don't spout shit.
danathor99 wow, didn't know that, I thought it was all just an act these ridiculous dances of his.
Barrios Groupie Find a live version of transmission where he actually falls down and starts to foam a little
I remember the first time I heard this song. I was just in shock as to how great it was!
drummer has serious stamina and talent wow
Soul Eruption
There was something growing
Through the pub smoke
far away, deep underground
in synaptic distress.
There was something growing
where the young men met the future
where notions suicidally shake
where private visions confess.
Had to play it out, to the end
Had to play it out, to the end
Had to play it out, to the end.
Something grew and erupted
As new centuries beckoned
On new waves and possible ends
A life slips away, co-opted.
Something grew and erupted
writhed and seethed with ancient power
Like a man who stands
and faces it all
with steadied hands.
Where sings the living voice, dead?
Where sings the living voice, now dead?
Is there room in heaven for
the angels of hopeless dread?
He's lost control again -
Isolation has its charms.
He remembers nothing.
He forgot what she said.
Had to play it out, to the end
Had to play it out, to the end
Had to play it out, to the end.
- Poem I wrote for Ian, comparing his death with the eruption of Mt. St. Helens, which occurred the same day. Cheers to all you fuckin' awesome JD fans.
Haunting and chilling performance. It's also sad to watch but also cool and energising. Words can't describe how I feel about this version of the song, everything in it is perfect. RIP Ian.
I've lost count how many times I've been here. This is I think the most watched Joy Division video for me. Great performance aside, it is also one of the few videos where Ian's epilepsy dance was captured in its full glory. No one dances like Ian. RIP.
You mean you've lost control ;-)
He lost control.
David Byrne, maybe.
Holy...Fucking...Wow! Until today I have never heard a Joy Division song, let alone seen a performance. This is just amazing. How have I never heard this before. I am in my late 30's, grew up listening to punk, grunge, and indie...but never heard this? I wish I could go back five minutes just so I could watch this video for the first time again. Wow!
Apart from the mesmeric singing, poignent lyrics, unique dancing, great bassline, inventive drumming and jagged edged guitar riff this song hasn't got much going for it.
Ian Curtis turned his private anguish of epilepsy into public art when dancing onstage. In doing this he epitomised the post-punk aesthetic of making folk dance while making them think at the same time.
This was really really ahead of it's time
An unbelievable song, band, sound and of course Ian Curtis. This music gave me my love of music. Love love love joy division
awesome , I love Joy Division. RIP Ian
I'm 18 years old and I'm glad that my father introduced me to Joy Division ❤
you know, I have to say this performance is even better than the album version. This is for me, the definitive version...I cant think of a better compliment. It stunned me the first time I saw years ago when I wasnt a fan...it still mesmerises me now..as fresh and powerful as the first day I saw it.
Goddam!
I’m so glad my musical taste has developed to appreciate this.
As someone with epilepsy I can tell you this song is perfect in its desperation and yearning for help while having a seizure.
My favourite version of this song, a little faster than the recorded one
I love to see ian dancing.. makes me feel energized :D.. Amazing!
+Vanadeo Its sad cause he's having a seizure and suffering horribly during this performance. He thought he made a fool of himself and it lead to harder depression for him that eventually piled up into creating problems in his personal life eventually leading to his suicide.
He's not having a seizure here
*****
that dance is to avoid a seizure bro
The Cloud Maker barney has said in interviews before that it was just him getting lost in the music, his seizures were much more violent than that.
+Vanadeo Me too, Bro!)))
Love the way the bass and the guitar alternate the ascending riff towards the end. Marks out greatness
So few professionally-shot performances of this amazing band exist. I'm just thankful that they did songs on Something Else. No other band went to the dark places they went to and their music will live forever.
I've been listening to this for 20 years and its never gotten old.
one of my favourite songs,honest, exhausted, angry, anxious and fragile. As tortured and frantic as this song may appear to sound, it's the truth in all it's ugly glory and god love him and the band for knowing that, interpreting it as the truth as they knew and weren't afraid of it. To me it's an amazing song for that very reason, but reason isn't a part of it, you just feel it : D
Ian sang and danced his living situation, he was so honest... and he helped me more than 30 years after his death, to be healthy again, as I was recently so sick that I almost died. Especially the song "Atmosphere" was always in my head, when I was in the ICU ... brilliant!
Brilliant! I can't say anymore than that.
the most serious dance i've ever seen
is not dance
It's a epilepsy attack.
No, it's a dance...epilepsy attack wtf?
...does anyone genuinely believe that this is a seizure? lol...really? We all know he had epilepsy but c'mon!
+sugarkaneandchloe People went to Joy Division concerts wondering if Ian Curtis was actually going to have a fit on stage. It happened once or twice.
What I like about this video is that every member of the band is active and busy, each one is doing his *work*. This looks hard. The contributions make a total performance greater than the sum of its parts. Also, they are all good-looking, healthy English youths, fine young men.
Three. Ian was epileptic.
Never be another Ian Curtis. RIP. Pure energy and a tinge of sadness at what was to come. He would certainly have livened up Strictly come dancing. 😥😥
Absolutely spellbinding performance from Curtis - I've seen New Order live loads - they my favourite band, to see Curtis perform live would have just been the best. Ste Morris well underrated drummer as a band tight as fuck. Quality.
years will go by and this song will always be legendary
Best version of the song
I`m really old and remember the great bands of the day, there was a club in Ancoats Manchester called the Electric Circus which was a converted Cinema and where the screen used to be they had a stage, live acts every week ...I saw the stranglers , buzzcocks the jam and many more , it was rough but I loved it,Sadly it was closed due to health and safety concerns and probably complaints about the noise ( it was across from an housing estate)
The guitar tone and riffs are awesome!
They were so ahead of their time! Their music still walks all over most of today's stuff. Wish I could have seen you guys on the USA tour which of course...never happened. RIP Ian. See you in the afterlife.
one of my favorite bands of all time... RIP Ian
Such a dark visionary with raw power
RIP
Ian Curtis
I love the simplicity of their music. It helps to focus on the actual lyrics...they compliment each other nicely. I fucking love Joy Division, and unfortunately I can completely understand and relate to Ian's lyrics.
I prefer this live version than the studio version
Same here. It's the only song I've ever listened in which I prefer the live over the recorded version.
This version is faster and the guitar is way more obvious. I think that does it for me.
Roldie yeah faster and a more violent guitar!
same here
this is good music
Roldie The only song? Do you know Radiohead?
Bálint Ujvári Talking about Creep? Is the acoustic version live?
Well, that's news.
Why were people so impressed with Michael Jackson at this time? Ian has the real moves.
+John Barry Probably because you can clearly see Ian is fucked out of his gourd
+lance parker no he wasnt
+tigerloop24 look at his eyes and the way he holds himself. he is high.
no seriously mate he wasnt high, you should probably watch the joy division documentry of the same name, he was 'in the music'
He would have scared the children. Wait a minute...
I'm 60 and still listening Ian you daft lad ,
😂 I'm 54 and I listen to it every day. It's also funny to hear these comments about how it is such a cool news thing and how it is disturbing. What is disturbing is New Order after Ian's suicide putting out a video with a woman hanging from the ceiling in the background and none of the hundred people I know except me who is listened to it for the past 30 years ever noticed.
When I saw New Order in the 80s in Minneapolis they were just playing their techno pop crud except their remake of Ceremony. I didn't have TV then or computer. It was a long time before I noticed how dark they were during the period after and They found their own style.
Oops. One more. I'm 57, not 54 and the video with the lady hanging from the ceiling is leave me alone, the black and white video with the dark haired lady worker ber in an industrial city.
40 years later....still riveting music and performance
Epilepsy never sounded so absolutely terrifying.
Then you've never lived with it. The magic of this song is how it so accurately captures what epilepsy is, from the out of synch beats to the heavy breaths, and that's even before you bring in Curtis' incredible words. The man was a tortured genius and this song alone, even without bringing in all the other amazing JD songs, shows that.
It was a debilitating disease back then and continues to be so today. However, the prescriptions today are much better than what it was in Ian's days. There was not a lot of attention given to epilepsy back then and most of the time patients were simply told to learn to live with it. The prescriptions were rubbish and acted more like a placebo than an actual remedy.
Ian witnessed a girl with epilepsy lost control and who died from it. It made him think about himself who is also an epileptic and gave inspiration to this song. His fear of epilepsy was one of the factors that led to his suicide because he wanted to succeed and enjoy his life but he could not do that with the lingering fear that he could die anytime from epilepsy.
I had grand mal seizures (like Ian's) for quite awhile after a head injury when I was in my 20s. The seizures themselves are really scary--that is, the moments right before; you feel like you're just dying, the feeling of impending doom is unimaginably frightening, but then you're just, I don't know, "erased." So thankfully you are never around for all the thrashing around. Strangely, what is almost worse is the amnesia when you wake up. You feel like you've been beaten with a baseball bat - every muscle has clenched harder than you could ever do it voluntarily, so you have cramps & charlie horses everywhere & you have the worst imaginable headache, not to mention any injury you might have sustained when falling or banging your head or whatever). (once I woke up with two black eyes. Then there's the feeling of having some nice EMT bending over you saying "What's your name?" and you really cannot answer...You carry the fear around, you're constantly desperately afraid that you're going to have a seizure, you never know where or when, it could happen at any time., what do you do? You're constantly planning out how to protect yourself, is there something soft around, a pillow? Newspapers? a sweater? to put under your head, & that's assuming you even get any warning. It consumes your entire life. And the very panic & fear about having one can actually bring one on, so it's kind of self-fulfilling. Then there are the meds. This happened to me in the late 70s, same time it happened to Ian, & I was on some of the same drugs, & I can tell you that if all the above doesn't make you feel suicidal, the drug all by itself WILL. It's absolutely horrible stuff, all of it. Luckily for me after 5 years or so the seizures faded away & I stopped having them, but it sounds like Ian's were increasing in frequency & intensity. That would be a truly desperate situation, the fear it pulls out of you comes from a deep place in your psyche that you never knew existed. Absolutely deadly.
The prescriptions back then weren't exactly placebos -- but they were the shotgun effect, the neurological equivalent of, if you had an insect bite, taking an antihistamine orally vs. putting dot topically on the actual bite. They just numbed your brain so completely that you might not have any seizures but you didn't have any energy, your emotions were dulled, your thoughts fuzzy, you creativity zapped. Awful stuff. I've posted my experience of grand mal seizures, which Ian had, as I understand it,, above.
deenibeeniable wow, I'm glad that you've gotten better, that sounds like pure hell
Love you Ian,and all the rest of Joy Division,but to Ian thanx for being a great Influence(love his voice)..
Amazing. YT does not do it justice. Stunning to see this Live, I was lucky in life. It cannot be described with words. But it was interstellar. Immortal. A kinder more loving universe then. This current universe is FUBAR!
fucking brilliant!
Joy Division still sounds modern to my ears: they were way ahead of their time.
This performance has everything.
Confusion in her eyes that says it all
She's lost control
And she's clinging to the nearest passer-by
She's lost control
And she gave away the secrets of her past and said
I've lost control again
And a voice that told her when and where to act, she said
I've lost control again
And she turned around and took me by the hand and said
I've lost control again
And how I'll never know just why or understand, she said
I've lost control again
And she screamed out kicking on her side and said
I've lost control again
And seized up on the floor, I thought she'd died, she said
I've lost control again
She's lost control again
She's lost control
She's lost control again
She's lost control
Well I had to 'phone her friend to state my case and say
She's lost control again
And she showed up all the errors and mistakes and said
And said I've lost control again
But she expressed herself in many different ways, until
She lost control again
And walked upon the edge of no escape, ang laughed
I've lost control again
She's lost control again
She's lost control
She's lost control again
She's lost control
I can live a little better with a message of lies
When the darkness broke in, I said I broke down and cried
I can live a little, say the wanted line
When the day is dull, when the day has come
To lose control
Ian was brilliant imagine if he could have held on a little longer the depth of his lyrics was brutally honest and haunting new order didn't add up to joy division
Those guitar riffs
Rest in peace Ian ,may you be at peace ,God bless you amen,your not forgotten,☀🌈💖😘💖
Now I know where Lorde got her stage presence and dance moves from LOL. RIP Ian Curtis
tilo dyer You saw that too, huh? When I saw her dancing on Saturday Night Live doing "Green Light" (awful song btw), this version of "SLC" is the first thing I thought of. If Lorde was allowed to really bare her emotions (i.e. let her do primal scream), she could do a fucking killer version of this song.
Peter Hook an underrated guitarist fantastic power chords
Bernard Sumner
Peter Hook is known for his melodic bass lines, not guitar. Bernard Sumner was the guitarist.
PETER HOOK IS A BEAST
God bless ya young Ian
There is nothing depressing about this,only pure energy and emotion
I can see a perception of pure energy if you didn't know that he was being treated for grand Mal seizures and other mental health problems and killed himself by hanging a few months later by hanging after cheating on his wife. I don't want that kind of energy. Plus, what's really weird is New order, band without ian, made a video with a woman in the background hanging from the ceiling. Spooky.
How can any human beings that possess any form of musical taste or a modicum of sense give this a thumbs down - 473 very emotionally crippled individuals ...
They're is actually some science behind it: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100520131431.htm
But I assume that part of the reason people pick on Joy Division is because a large section of their fan base are extremely arrogant, condescending and pretentious ie: "473 very emotionally crippled individuals"
+Raymondspongey I think, with today's technology and techniques, people have become more accustomand accepting to more "perfect" tones and timing than emotion in music. And JD is maybe not "complex" enough for many.
walterbenford Totally agree,
the emotion is the most vital ingredient in this music. We are talking real genuine pain. For a very short time Ian Curtis shone out like a diamond in the mire ..
But it is bloody Joy Division FFS !
+Raymondspongey cuz they play horribly
even looking at Ian Curtis depresses me
+Ronan Ferguson It's Called Manchester in 70's my friend, everyone in manchester in 70's is depressed(sorry for the bad english)
don't look just fucking listen!!!!!
theyre not feeling too joyous right now either
haha that is curtis.. you've got confused with the movie that was made.. how old are you man?
noelywire plz you're joking, yes? ✌
One of the best bands ever.
2022 and 62 yrs old still listening to the Awesome Joy Division. 💖
Wonderfully insane. RIP Ian.
Elas estão descontroladas
Heheheh
kkjkk
Curtis would have hated what England's become.
+Sally Smith One Direction?
+BetterSkatez Yeah, one direction, striaght down the loo.
+Sally Smith bitch please blur and oasis
+Super rare gamer -you're joking right?!
Chris Morley
fuck no i aint
Just posted this on facebook as a tribute to my new epilepsy meds. I can relate to him on so many levels, cheers!
I like this version better than the normal one sort of. In this one the lead guitar cuts through more which I like, and its a little faster, which I also like. Unfortunately- and unsurprisingly- the overall quality is lacking 😖 If it didn't sound so bad I would download it in an instant.
This is what I call REAL music
Excellent vid, bookmarked
Oh Ian...40 years and still miss you so much.
Puts, os caras só tem som massa, RIP Ian
The live version is better than the one on the album.
Joy Division was one of those bands to which time just had to catch up. Incendiary.
It's weird that this was my favorite Joy Division song for a long time but I didn't immerse myself deeply into the lyrics, until couple of months after I was diagnosed with epilepsy. It had a new meaning for me, terrifying, deeply saddening feeling emerges in me every time I hear it.
I love this band so much but listening to them makes me so fucking sad.
Thirty five years ago this week.
How did we go from this to One Direction?
Involution
+Simon Griffiths Yes. That. But were Joy Division pop in their time?
I wanna know how you went from comparing Joy Division to One Direction you knob
***** Either way he is a fucking knob. There was pop in the 70-80s too. That's where one direction came from. Not from Joy Division. Also New Order was a pretty poppy band. You can thank them too for paving the way for today's modern pop stars.
+Mauricio He isn't comparing them at all.
1979 and still better than anything on the air today! Joy Division was the best band ever :(
literally my sole problem w this is i cant play this loud enough on my compaq
God is dancing....
Now, it's 2016. and Joy Division will never die. This is great stuff, but I can't enjoy becouse this song was a shadow of Ian's depression..
One of the rawest and most visceral tv performances ever done by anybody. RIP Ian Curtis.
371 people lost control