Why It's Almost Impossible to Extract Huawei From Telecom Networks | WSJ
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- Allies are under U.S. pressure to shun Huawei. But the company's prevalence in existing telecom networks and dominance in 5G technology make that nearly impossible. Illustration: Crystal Tai
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What this video doesn't tell you is just how dominant their market share is on the African continent. Their market share also cover large parts of Middle East as well as South America. If you look at all the places where Huawei have invested and deployed, you'll see one thing they all share: places where America have decided not to invest.
For example, many African countries bypassed 3G and went straight from 2G to 4G in anticipation of 5G. Many of these deals are not transparent but are done in the backrooms and are definitely not subject to public scrutiny, for better or for worse. However, these countries are tech starved and when the west decided not to invest because it's "scary", the Chinese government and many Chinese companies decided it was worth the risk and have decided to expand into these places that the west have left behind.
So while the west twiddle its thumbs and slow the deployment of 5G, other countries will inevitably be leaving the west in their dust and be pushing forward into 5G and beyond. Since Huawei make cheap phones and a large amount of that vertical business, who do you think telecoms and countries want to deal when when it comes to negotiating contracts? Do you want to deal with multiple vendors with different time lines and schedules and languages or do you just want to deal with one company that can give you everything and are willing to put down other essential infrastructure like roads, hospitals, and football stadiums?
When the Chinese invest in Africa, they literally are bringing more than just the kitchen sink.
wow, most educated comment here. thanks 👍
@Young Tang Grow up. Silly boy.
@@howard49 Sir, looks like you caught on a troll bait.
Africa is getting dependent on China. I kinda dislike that
Here in India the carriers operate on wafer thin profit margins, and your generic Nokia/ Ericsson type companies are entitled and complacent about selling their expensive equipment, meanwhile Chinese companies like Huawei and ZTE sell their equipment for cheap and even on loans that can be repaid later, which is why the Huawei/ZTE combine dominate most of the telecom equipment sector in India.
The Chinese Government + Private companies are extremely competitive and go above and beyond to acquiring new markets/customers, this is why they are dominant in SEAsia, South Asia, Africa and maybe Eastern European countries.
The market belongs to those who are competitive, not complacent.
No "spying scandal" can beat raw economics, especially when the people alleging the "spying" are no saints themselves.
How does uncle Sam spied the phone of German Chancellor Merkel ?
Haha! ask Snowden...
The German BND helped the US spy on Merkel.
China will eventually want to expand and wage war on those countries. With control of internet infrastructure it would be simple to take it over.
@@ericcartmann more like America will eventually wage war against the world
@@ericcartmann China doesn't do war, that's US's policy to threaten others
Eric Cartman and George Lucas raped Indiana Jones,yes.
FBI: don't buy Huawei! They'll spy u!
Europe: OK..wait how did u know we gonna buy Huawei?
FBI: cuz we're spying on u
Exactly !
actually:
Europe: how'd ya know that we would buy from Huawei? spying?
FBI(actually its the job of the CIA and NSA): Huawei is massively cheaper than the competition and has some shady links to the Chinese government since their founder was a member of the PLA.
Europe: we dont really care about china spying on us since they've been doing it since ancient times.
Okok.... wait.... lol
US : We don't spy on our citizen and allied like China do.
Snowden : Oh! really..!!
@@andrehojmark1662 great speech, except it's what you said is more true about America than China.
The country with the most wars in the last hundred years is the actual threat. The country that is actually using it's government to spy on the world is the actually threat. The country that has deployed nuclear weapons *is* the actual threat.
And it's your government that is attacking a cooperate entity.
*How is it that you can't see that*
Oh right. From your nationalistic view, you're the victim not the aggressor.
Obviously in US you don't need evidence or trial to sentence people.
The ironic thing is the US spy on it's people and leaders around the world.
The Chinese know where every single 1 of its citizens at all times. Within their countries borders anyways. That's scary.
@@davejones5640 Snowden:" that's not that scary"
Dave Scott Exact same words can be applied to US citizens due to national security. Btw
Jianxin Zhang Falun Gong practitioners who are being mass murdered as we speak by the Chinese government disagrees. I’m pretty sure they want a country with better human rights record than Nazi China.
huawei wrote most of the 5G standards and own most of the essential patents, yet america keeps saying huawei stole their "technology" lol
@Covert Puppytwo yes they did, they and their subsidiaries own about 70% of the infrastructure so far, its in the public domain
@Covert Puppytwo "INTERNATIONAL" lol, nah they are submitted in chinese first than notarized in english, nice try tho
@Covert Puppytwo theres nothing "international" about 5G, it's a race, who got there first reaps most of the commerical clout, ask qualcomm and how they learned their lessons
@Covert Puppytwo well i didnt suggest anything, just laying out facts, btw american government has been doing it through apple and qualcomm and cisco etc for years, but i doubt ur american tho lol
@Covert Puppytwo no, not voluntarily
Huawei own 36% of the 5G technology patents, second company 14%. even if you don't use Huawei 5G you have to pay Huawei royalty for using their tech. LOL
@Super Power Wow a typical Korean
@supreme master Typical Korean alert
Got it, Korean troll.
@blue runner stolen technology from T-Mobile and Cisco....but yet Huawei has more 5g patents than both.....i don't understand your logical reasoning lol.....stop being jealous of China's success ;)
@blue runner yes jealous enough to be always talking about Huawei....you sure are obsessed with Huawei lol
knocking out huawei? US would need 50 eyes.
Just changed to mate 20 pro from iPhone. I can only say: huawei shocked me in its progression in every aspect.
Huawei is so much better than even a couple years ago. They have really stepped up.
Android is superior to ios since a long time
have you experienced something like this, someday you and your friend talked about wanting to buy a new shoe or a new car, and the next time you open your Facebook, there is a shoe or car ads on the page.
@Bazzralic everybody has already been monitored, i am rather monitored by a good 5g service.
Same as Google.
Americans forgot Snowden.
Aside from a massive budget, it's truly astounding how huawei could get so ahead in its equipments technology. I'm truly impressed. Maybe those Chinese in China are super brilliant bunch after all.
Usa should invest too into R&D instead of costly war.
Watched this on a Huawei phone lol
Yep me too Huawei all the way!
and im replying on my huawei laptop, lol
@Kevin Duggan butthurt
me too.
@Kevin Duggan Or if you like to have a quality phone that can compete with the iphone xs or samsung 10 for a cheaper price...
Interoperability for 5G must be published somewhere in IEEE journals. So it isn’t as if Huawei owns the standards , hence the only way for a fully end to end turnkey system. I assume if standards are open to everyone , yet one owns a best of breed , then work with it, not against it.
Let vendors do their business and buyers perform their own due diligence. And make sure everyone adheres to a standard where you can work with vendor A and B meeting your budgetary and performance goals with clearly written security standards so that everyone can adhere to.
Outside of Government Contracts ( and the US has gear vendors who actually have Supplier Clearance , the GSA issued IDs ) it should be fair game to everyone else, including the Chinese, to peddle their wares. Even within US OEM vendors not a single one covers end to end. So the mere idea a single vendor has the only access to your 5G rollout is fallacy. At worst you may have to chose a specific vendor if you own their legacy gear, hence needing to stay with the vendor for a least costly migration.
Harris makes great radios but it won’t be as effective in the routing gear segment , where CISCO is king. And multiplexing gear, that is where ADC or RADWare shine. And then there are antennae companies, and backhand gear vendors. I am sure that, outside CISCO
If Americans want a plain level field, then enforce interoperability standards and put an end to one vendor does it all ( unless private labeling ) strong arm tactics on sourcing for private carriers.
And all claims only the Chinese steal intelectual property are pure malarkey. Everyone does. Apple stole the GUI and mouse click technology from Xerox in Palo Alto. Microsoft stole it from Apple. There are no saints in this game , everyone is a sinner. Industrial espionage and brain drainage is rampant in this field.
If Huawei owns the least cost to 5G and Beehive Telecom in Utah wants it, then let them have it. Standardize tests so that no security is compromised, send an FCC tech there to validate the install and get done with it. Their allocated CAPEX is tight and funded by your Mr Tax Payer through your phone bill contributions. Trust me, it ain’t squandered. And it benefits a lot of folks in rural communities.
It ain’t the Chinese’s fault dumb American CEOs gutted Lucent / Bell Labs , the same CEOs who slowly decimated Motorola , the Canadian sank Northern Telecom , and both Countries can’t produce enough Engineering Grads to fulfill the demand to grow new technologies. The American private sector did a poor job in protecting and nurturing their Crown Jewels. The Chinese Government , on the other hand , embraced their growth industries , bankrolled them , and are not here to give American Business a free pass. Their compromise is to their own as American Multinationals where to Americans.
And as for handset sales , this an entire separate business.
And keep your Crown Jewels locked up, as to the case for semiconductors.
It amazes me how The Federal Government bailed out car makers and To Big to Fail Financial Business but let’s telecom gear makers to go under ( thanks to Bill Clinton insane telecom deregulation edicts and then Bill Tauzin for killing competition ).
And then we have to listen on this blaming the Chinese for all our ills , when in fact they were simply being shrewd and leaped ahead. Yes they do copy and steal. Yet they hire more Engineers and fewer lawyers and bean counters.
Wrong... you're clueless. China steals everything and never support anything unless it's to their advantage.
www.businessinsider.com/cities-china-ripped-off-from-the-rest-of-the-world-2015-7#locatednear-the-port-city-of-tianjinis-florentia-village-an-elaborately-designed-outlet-mall-thats-meant-to-resemble-anitalian-village-it-comes-complete-with-fountains-canals-and-mosaics-as-well-as-local-shops-like-gucci-and-prada-built-by-an-italian-developer-it-truly-feels-like-italy-1
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/chinese-copycat-cars-can-you-spot-the-western-inspiration-behind-these-designs-a7015966.html
Vision L it is not you telling it is wrong or not. Chinese are implementing survival of the fittest. Their hardest competitor is another Chinese company. They are doing it to each other within China. While Steve Jobs may steal more discrete, in China it is in your Face. Steve visited Xerox.
"Does US do eavesdropping?"...."Well, you can have your answer from Snowden."
"Does China do eavesdropping?"..."Well, you might have your answer from US Government."
Thank you that was quality information and explained a lot. They are currently expanding our telecommunications network to 5G here in Germany and this debate came up. Huawei's importance and growth surprised me. Thought they only produce phones for Asia but ya learn every day
The animation of this video is excellent; pleasant voice-over fits seamlessly to the narrative. Well done!
In greece Huawei is everywhere and cosco
and the USA would not for say Cisco? yeah right.
At least U.S. is a democratic country where someone in it can whistle blow and have freedom of speech. I don't believe communist country supports this.
What happens if Snowden or Assange get extradited to the US? I'm sure they'll get a pat on the back for whistleblowing right.
@@lostn65 😂😂😂😂 so true
@@rnrnrkrk994 Whistleblowers are not protected by law in US.
Thanks to trump make huawei so famous and seems so powerful, last year I didn’t even know huawei , next phone huawei thanks !
I mean considering youre Chinese. I highly doubt youve never heard of Huawei.
vks_ it all depends where you live. In Europe everybody know Huawei.
I know huawei about 11years ago because cisco. haha
It's NOT Trump but the DEEP-STATE that controls most of his agenda ... Trump was supposed to fight the deep-state and special counsel Mueller played the investigation that Trump was controlled by Russia... TRUMP IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEEP-STATE
instead of complaining about China 5G... we can be leaders just not in telco commodities.
I am looking forward to pay $5/Mo for gigabit speeds instead of $80/Mo for poor coverage 👍🏻
stop blaming China, blame the system, look at the gap between rich and poor in the US.
As opposed to the gap between the rich and poor in what, China? Lol
@@frankySR21 are you Americans seriously comparing the US with China now? according to the US media isn't that a trash country? LOL
CTO Information I’m responding to your comparison, so yeah...
3/4 of the Chinese population lives at or near the global poverty line. Hundreds of millions of Chinese depend on international trade to maintain their livelihoods. Meanwhile China doesn’t even have a blue water navy to protect such trade. It’s no contest.
@@frankySR21 then why not just ignore China then, why put China everywhere on the news?and why a trade war with China? why not just simply bomb China, like Iraq?
@@frankySR21 You know you Americans are so thick!!! It's a wonder you can guide the food to tour mouths wen you eat, Lets look at poverty shell we , lets see America has a population of about 300 million and China has well over 1.4 billion and yet the poverty in the United States is at really worrying levels and is getting worse day by day and this is a country that claims they are the riches in the world and China on the other hand has brought millions and millions out of poverty and China now is the no one economy in the world and just imagine if it where your country with it's winner takes all capitalists system had the population of China the horror would be unimaginable ...
Aside from these tech political rivalry, the animation of this video is really fun and enjoyable to watch through.
USA is the only country in the world still use feet, pound, Fahrenheit, BTU, acre ...... ect
Liberia and Myanmar feel left out.
Well, we're going into a direction as Soviets used to go in 1980s. Technology goes to the military because we have a budget for that, but civilian technology is getting outdated comparing to Chinese technology. We're paying attention to politics instead of technology. That's a big mistake!!!
Wow so cool,thanks for sharing ❤️
Familiar
So informative thanks
American attitude is very harsh and i don't cosider america as a peacful and democtratic country
Trust me they're not friendly
They are democratic but that is about it.
Ironically a Huawei ad at the end. Brilliant and cunning I say.
Google and facebook save all of your information....lets talk about that
Thanks to FBI, Huawei became a household name. Well done FBI.
Balance of power is shifting
A more balanced world stage benefits everyone.
Shaka Zulu I wish it did,the fact is China is weakening
@@alexliu5806 That's true if it were truly balanced competition. But China is beyond compare at anti-competitive practices.
My heart aches for corporations eating the cost of kicking them out.
You're dreaming if you think that the telcos will eat the cost. They will just pass on the costs to you.
Avantime if you think Straight Talk (Walmart/ATT) is going to raise their unlimited data plan think again.
Tech consumer prices go DOWN, not up.
The only thing that “might” happen is they roll out 5G specific plans of which very few will pay for UNTIL they match 4G prices.
great info!
Another comment, all those technologies use data carrying photons and some kind of internet connected wireless router of some sort. Since 5G will use some photons that will be blocked by walls, buildings, and even plants and trees, I would consider technology such as using infrared or even light for data carrying photons and have lots of transmitters all over the place. Infrared and light waves in use by such technology have no negative side effects since it is just light and there is LiFi already in existence where a light bulb is used as a wireless connection.
I love the animation.
Everyone knows US government is jealous to Huawei massive global dominant in technology.
"If you can't beat them, kidnap them."
HAIL HUAWEI.GLORY TO THEM.
Harsh background noise on his VO. Can you upload to FrameIO so I can put up some notes?
GREAT DOCUMENTARY
It's not true that New Zealand has blocked Huawei as stated at 0:15 in this video. However, Australia has declined to work with Huawei in 5G implementation because, "it couldn’t mitigate the risks posed by the company". The issue is the risk of having one vendor with so much influence over such networks. Too many people are making this about the China-US trade war when we should really be talking about creating an environment that can encourage supplier diversity & competition in the 5G equipment supplier market. There ought to be regulation around the dominance of one or too few suppliers but leaders ought not to use this as a "Trump Card" :-) for victory in a trade war that nobody wants.
New Zealand's position: th-cam.com/video/DjQtCgfnEvQ/w-d-xo.html
Australia's position: www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/malcolm-turnbull-on-australias-decision-to-ban-chinas-huawei-and-zte.html
While I don't think there's a Chinese govt backdoor, we should be going after companies in the monitoring technologies industry that could be used for state surveillance in oppressive regimes like China, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, Russia
Have you forgotten the US spying on the brazilian president ? lol
@@Cynicruss2 Oh that's right, I forgot that a country isn't oppressive until it's spies on the brazilian president... oops sorry
Cynicruss2 who are you calling a negro motherfucker?
@@MatrixJockey shut up. Youre not helping anything
There is no backdoor? Hahaha, sure, because the whole system is an open front door for the Chinese government, saying this as a Chinese in China.
One off topi question if I may - What is the name of software used to create this stunning graphics/animation?
Some paid infographic website you can Google it.
*_Is the US-Infrastructure more secure?_*
Becareful wall street trump can shut u down too 😂
we closely experience the self destruction of a global empire by a Global infantile Clown. We all LOVE him!
Anybody know how these kind of animations are made and using what software?
Plz🙏Tell me what software do you use for your animations
who else is watching this on a Huawei phone
what?did I come to the wrong chanel?wsj said sth good about huawei?shouldnt this video be talking about easy blocking huawei and "they steal our tech"?😂😂😂😂
No restrictions to sales of Huawei phones in Australia 1st.June, 2019.
They got us guys, this is checkmate. Maybe we can improve encryption since we've already lost secure networks??
I guess we are not as smart as we think we are!
You're not even smart.. You simply attract smart people from rest of the world.
The alternative IS regime Change in china i guess? Then huwei would be a NSA /CIA compliant entity. Problem solved.
@@BlancOwly i dont think the neocons care
Huawei's techology is more advanced. Huawei's production is better quality and cheaper. Huawei 5G safer than others.
Very nice animation.
So much for the chines can't innovate argument
Yes, they did copy a lot in the past and still do to an extent, I hope with tightening copyright and trademark laws as well as a general societal shift towards quality over quantity that this issue continues to lessen. Heck, Samsung used to be accused to copying and stealing from Apple and was even brought to court over it.
What innovation ?!?! You do know where the design and research comes from, right? China is still 99% manufacturing.
That's why the US should balance the playing field by invalidating US patents held in countries that don't respect patent rights.
@@joeuser2360 yep.. let's ban iPhone in china!
@@intihuatana2007 Does that include all the Chinese counterfeit iPhones?
🇧🇸we support you HUAWEI🇨🇳
1 year ahead is not that much though. We can all afford to wait 1 year if it's likely to lead to a better end experience (i.e. better security).
I am surprised: 1) WSJ finally understood this 2) WSJ admits it. Well done.
I find it surprising that you would group everyone in a large news organization into one clump. Although, media will still prioritize profits...
I'll bet you anything they were paid to do this
The day they put up those 5G deep fryers near my home is the day it breaks.
They are already up. But most cities "made" them disguise as trees and various other things so the neighborhoods maintained appeal. You can google it, tons of stories and might find out where in your neighborhood they are.
Guess it's the same day you get locked up.
So many assumptions. Trash talk!
China needs more people like you, just keep your head in the sand and ignore China innovations
Germany knows first hand who spies.
I've worked with Huawei switches and they were great.
USA no longer number 1 !!
Chinese debt trap also works the same way.
Impressive
Huawei surpassed the total patents of Apple in August 2017 and more are coming. Most of them are in telco but still patent is patent. Now they are trying to spend 12-20 billion in UK to build a massive R&D facility.
The video MISSES the obvious. The effort is not to immediately eliminate Huawei but to do so over time. Upgrades are constant and Huawei would be eliminated by attrition over time. It's simple common sense. Don't choose Huawei for your upgrades.
You didn't understand it. Can you use a PC accessory for your Apple Mac?
@@erwingobig1954 Only a fool wouldn't understand it or make a comment like that. When your PC or Mac dies you can replace it with the opposite. And YES! Many PC accessories work with Apple. Just because you have a MAC doesn't mean you have to connect to a MAC WIFI.
Just use 4G or skip to 6G
I’m so close to calling dumbass as you clearly learnt nothing from this video
NSA / Cisco sponsored hit piece! :D
between a usa world and Chinese world what do you choose?
China numba one
That just means, China is the next default MOST HATED COUNTRY in the world.
@@subinct Which US occupy that spot right now!
You’re all idiots thinking that your government isn’t lying to you about 5G and you still have a old people housed in a Cage at this moment
Wow a propaganda hit-piece from the WSJ. Who would have guessed. What are they going to say next? Iraq has WMD's?
Everyone somehow already forgot everything that Edward Snowden told the public about.
My Huawei wont turn on if its camera is covered. Scary weird.
This will the world's downfall "cheap". Because monetization is the number one driving force in the world it doesn't matter what ulterior motives are as long as is involved. We are a sad race.
It is shame there is no a us company in the telecom equipment industry, how it is going to remain a superpower lagging behind in a such important area.
What ? Huawei ‘s competitors sleeping on the job ? There is a simple solution to all the problems with H’s 5G technology : we don’t need it or want it. Let others drive Formula One. We will stick with our Model-T Ford. It’s more pleasant, we move very slowly and we can check out the scenery and smell the flowers. Fast train ? We don’t need that either. Our steam train brings back such nostalgia.
1:05 Market Share
2:40 Huawei R&D
Wall Street Journal is mouthpiece for C.I.A
Massive props for pronouncing Beijing correctly.
Owing to the case where the US evedropped Angela Merkel and Snowden’s allegation, perhaps the real reason why the US doesn't want anyone to use Huawei isn't that Huawei networks can be evedropped by China, but rather Huawei networks cannot be evedropped by the US.
Is the ban only for America or all huawei devices all over the world?
We are nearing Batman's "God's Eye Tech" 5G is the 1st step towards that tech we just need a fast facial recognition software, fast hardware with fast Internet.
wei, wei? It is Huawei or the highway
What you meant to say is "It's very easy to extract Huawei from Telecom Networks but that regulation would cut into profits and neoliberal policies never support a regulation that would interfere with profits.
Huawei advance 5 G equivalent to 8K HD TV ,, USA 3-4 G equivalent to your grandfather Black and White T V.
How many actually know there are nearly 70k employees own stock for this company they worked for and that the CEO only owns 1.4%.
We had to learn more important than other things so that the future generations will improve their knowledge by learning from others country talent.
When it comes to security issues, no hardware are as expensive as data value.
As if Americans are not spying on us with their equipment
@@blackflagsofpakistantheeas9109 America's equipment are legal because they donot spying but looking through satellite.
Correction New Zealand is still open to huawei
Huawei won't open a backdoor to Uncle Sam
US is behaving like: If you can't invent yourself, impede others, one of the essential tenet of contemporary America..
I could still remember when China constructed "observation stations" in the Spratly's and now they've been turned into a military base...why should anyone put value in their word. So, this is poetic justice, next should be food safety!
Interesting
I love Huawei and fair competition. from Mongolia
CIA: It is difficult to keep the PRISM program running if everyone changes their hardwares to HUAWEI
“Nokia sought to play down the risks of an investigation into compliance issues at its Alcatel-Lucent business after its shares fell sharply on Friday.
The Finnish network equipment maker flagged the issue in its annual report which was released late on Thursday to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Nokia said it had launched an investigation into certain transactions of the business it bought in 2016.” --- the only one telecom equipment maker that is the worst in compliance is a former US one: Lucent. Not any other. What a joke !
Chinese cfds traders are 80% short sellers on German index. Its price oppressed. Price will rebound today and short sellers trying to cover their shorts.
None of the countries in the world could compete on china's product affordability yet progressive improvement on quality.
As long as you are connected to the internet, you aren't safe LOL
instead of immediately replacing huawei equipment which is costly and impracticle, all of these companies should just let the equipment continue running and then when it comes to the next hardware upgrade/replacement cycle say 3 years from now, then choose a competitor?
Joe - China is already 1 year ahead of it's competitors. In another 3 years, it could be 3 years ahead. Unless ur nation is loaded with cash, gold, gems, gas, oil, etc. U may have little choice but pick Huawei.
A dog bites a person and the person asks: why did you bite me? The dog says: coz I know I can bite you, so you might bite me too.