I appreciate your logical analyzations, I understand River winning because Napom misused his time in the 2nd half of his 2nd round. Although I did like the moments Napom committed to more than the moments River committed to.
I can easily say that ur video is the best analysis for this battle, especially the part when u explained what a good counter is, cuz it seems like people don't get it xD Keep it up man
100% agree. Both are phenomenal, but I thought that Napom had the better performance, and that counter was dead on. Sometimes I think that former GBB champions almost have a harder time at GBB, because they aren't just competing against their opponent, they're competing against the incredibly high bar they already set. For that reason, I think judges score them more critically than other competitors. Either way, it's amazing that Napom was one vote away from winning a second GBB 6 years after his first win. No one else has even come close to doing that, which just lays bare what a monster Napom is.
Was great performances by both, however based on rivers first round. I felt like he just didn't lose the round but should've have been multiple points off. And then to top it off napom executed a perfect counter should've have sealed it. But I guess napoms last part was more memorable then both his rounds.
No he should not. If he just made the beat yes but with saying "it's EXACTLY it" He made his points flew away BC it was a good counter but not EXACTLY it
For me, if you can do a similar beat/sound but even better, it is a mind-blowing counter. If you can imitate the sound exactly it's a great counter, if you can do a similar beat but different sounds/in your own style still great, but even if you counter and it is only slightlyyyy worse than what your opponent did, to me it is still + points because you are showing you can basically do their beat in a simple freestyle in the moment. To me, it's like saying, I just learned what you did in the last 15 seconds, while you spent a whole year preparing this. So I think it's still good. If you try and don't get close, then yeah, that's minus points.
Yeah but if it's similar and not the same and you say "it's EXACTLY the same" Then the plus points are away in my opinion. Lot of ppl are saying river was too stressed and napom was dominant but this sentence of napom cleaerly showed that he is too stressed bc he said that while he knows it's NOT EXACTLY the same
16:16 me too. Great analysis overall I agree with pretty much everything. To me the final beat from Napom reminds of the Minecraft building sound. So it works because of the comedic value
Thank you for speaking your real opinions! We all love River but Napom absolutely smashed this battle. Was able to match and exceed rivers energy in both rounds.
Sick analysis, so specific and well explained, not like D-low where he tries to not hurt anyone by not going specific but you getting so in detail and giving examples of other battles, sick, Stich, keep it up.
I remember watching the livestream of the final and inmediatelly thinking that napom was the Best beatboxer on the entire competition. River is extremely high skill and a beast, but at least for me something misses the spectator enjoyment of listening. Well, thats a shame, but what an epic final. Love ur content
What you said about the counter part says it ALL! Only people really into beatboxing will understand the essence of a GBB battle, this is not a video, a production... this is a BATTLE! And with that counter, NaPoM won. Period. River round was totally dead after that counter.
i dont think so, i mean he maybe did the best counter ever, but if he had started doing that river vocal technique, he wouldve immediately won, even i wouldve lost it. he said like hey i can imitate what u prepared a year for, but until here... and thats the little detail that doesnt make his pattern better and makes THE difference
I think that if Napom had replaced this unfunny joke with "this is how we do" drop from the Championship match against FootboxG, he would have won the final
I feel the same way about NaPoM’s counter in the 2nd round because of how NaPoM messed around. I’m pretty sure NaPoM’s idea was that River’s shining moment in the 2nd round was nothing compared to him. I try to view the GBB rounds from all perspectives, including the sound itself, the frequencies, the pitching, and then the battling aspect between counters return and how everything is delivered. I solely think NaPoM should have won, but at the end of the day, it’s just a competition and they’re both great beatboxers.
💯% agree!!! Especially with the counter explanation!!! Napom did deserve the win. Both did exceptional and it was such a great final. This is probably the first time at a gbb final in solo where there is a major controversy over who really won the final!! Such a great reaction.🫶🏼
I agreed to you stitch You and sxin gave me hope to raise up my voice Thank you so much for the right decision Your opinion is same as mine One thing I have to add is that Napom did 2 counters to river You know how See the river technique at 4:58 Then you will see the napom second round at 5:58 in which napom also did it as a counter And first counter of round 2 was the best counter And another counter I have to say was that when river first round was musical Napom also did it musical without mistake and his musicality shows that napom was battling What to say more than this Napom was clean and loud at the spot When I was watching live I was crying after watching napom lost🥲but I thought that I'm such a noob in judging someone and judges are better than me that's why they're sitting there judging the battles At all we all know no one is like napom coz he's so smart and competing since 10 years I think none beatboxer did that Napom is really a living legend But in the last of the video the lovely part was when river was thanking Collaps and collapse come from his back and gave him a hug More than this I like when napom was upset that he didn't won the final , Kenny was there with napom and was so happy when napom name was called as a second place Waali also hug to napom instead of River as Waali inspired from napom I love it so much I wish I would be there to hug napom❤❤
11:40 I thought I was the only one thinking about that. Don’t get me wrong, I recognise it needs an unbelievable skill to do that and it’s normal in an atmosphere like the final to do such mistakes to keep the energy up. Anyway for me a good part of Napom’s points were made by the first seconds of the second round when he did the mind blowing counter and the first aggressive beat spinning his head like crazy, here the energy was palpable🔥
For me 100% clearly napom had won. In first round he answered perfectly in a musicality way to fight the river's musicality in his first round, and he has done such a beautiful first round. Then we have the second round.... i love drop at 5:58, it' s so fucking amazing with a lot of energy, i have goosebumps everytime i listen it, and the counter was so functional and good and i agree with your explanations about the concept of counter. Do a counter with the own style is a great victory for me. The only one weak point of napom's second round was the final drop after the joke (very fit in that situation), very weak and with less energy and a little bit unconsistent. But overall, clearly Napom would have won this final. River so sick but many times in second round he's gone off pitch with arpeggio. And then, the singing voice in first part of first round didn't sound so well for me, on the other hand, the napom's singing in first round is so gangsta and pleasant to hear it.
You can see napom look at River during his second round and it feels like he did the joke out of sympathy. That's my random beatbox conspiracy theory for the day
Nah why in the world would anyone let someone win the battle out of sympathy? That's just disrespectful bro. Napom doesn't do shit like that in a big battle like gbb
@@stitch_mus1c see that's what I was thinking it would be mad disrespectful if that's the way it actually turned out in all honesty I think napom won but Rivers deserved it he fought harder especially after losing world champion
@@djlarrylar7905 nah thats just wrong xD saying he deserved it because he lost at worlds is just giving him sympathy xD plus they fought equally, thats why they're both in the finals
@@stitch_mus1c I think when he said that he fought harder, he meant that he prepared routines for every battle instead of freestyling or using old routines
people like me who follow napom knows the technique napom used in round 2 counter isnt just liprolls its mixtures of squeaks which is very high level no many people do it but when napom used it agaisnt river it was one of the most genius smartest counter ever
I mean i still think Napom won too but i think the whole thing should be judged, not just the good/best bits. Those last 30 seconds from Napom really dropped a lot of points for me and i'm not surprised River won. Also in the case of Dilip and his elimination, i personally would rather have a consistently decent 4 minutes instead of a really good 2 minutes and bad 2 minutes. Every second should count and weigh into the final vote.
I think the reason why river won this battle is he got a lot of score for the first round, and for the second round him and napom got a super close score
River won but don’t forget that it was a 3/2 not 5/0. It was a really closed battle. I was not here lived so I could only based my judgment on the lived audio during the competition and this edited and mixed audio. For me River won but if you have to scale it on 100 points it would be 51 for River and 49 for Napom. For me Napom counter was not even closed to River because If you want to counter a beat/technic/combo you have to : - Do the same patern or a very closed patern - You can counter with your own patern but It have to be as good as the original and the same vibe / flow / energy - The counter must be on the same level of power, flow, clarity and cleanliness For example nobody can really counter Napom on sub bass liproll or on his really fast liproll technic because Napom’s liproll is probably the strongest and the cleanest in the world. Moreover Napom should have counter the liproll phase of River than his "fast spit nare" (idk if this is really that) technic, because River implemented vocal bass on the top of it ! That’s all I have to said and yeah BOTH could have won it. And for the haters who are saying that the French guys voted for River (Napom said that too and I’m bit disappointed of him for that) two things : Gene votes for Napom and D-Low who is a much closer friend of River than Napom votes for Napom. Nowadays in competition like that, when you are a judge, you have so much responsabilities and repercussions that you can’t just vote for someone because he is your friend.
Did you not watch Stitches video? Counters don't need to be the exact same thing. Furthermore it sounded basically the same and it matched the energy. Same technique, just a slight lip position variety. Dlow explained it too
@@HerbAndriMusic Yes I’ve watched it and I think I can tell what would be a great counter for me and why River won. I can totally understand Stitch and D-Low point of view but I disagree (respectfully).
I concur completely,well said. Kind of surprised you would have voted for napom but I would have as well. Napom just high on life having too much fun lol
I understand why people argue that Napom should be the winner; this is a really close battle, I know he bring power and much more energy but the decision ultimately depends on individual preferences. However I don't understand why some people say that River is overrated and doesn't deserve to be a champion. If we look deeper, one reason why most beatboxers often lose in the semi-final or final rounds is because they run out of good routines or using bad strategy. But River managed to reach the final two times in a row without using any recycle routine or repetitive pattern unlike to Napom who eliminated early rounds in gbb 2021 and be able to save many fresh routine to use in this year. I think we should give him more respect he is well-deserving.
To me River's 1st round doesn't have a battle energy/vibe he's entire routine sounds more like a showcase piece, whereas Napom went into a battle mode and hype the crowd with both of his rounds sounding full of energy and expression...I feel bad for Napom he got robbed twice in gbb finals.... Hope he'll come back stronger in the next gbb
As for the counter thing, I believe the same can be said for Bataco vs Codfish. Bataco did a razor sound that sounds like game or movie sound effect, But Codfish did whistle sound that sounds like razor gun. If you listen to carefully for details, their two techniques must be completely different. But Codfish's razor whistle move is called "one of the best counter ever". And now, everyone say "NAPOM DID BAD COUNTER" WHY??
me personally i don’t hear any problems with the pitch of river’s arpeggios during the second round (except the last one). to me its sort of like how you’d have a mini key change in music or an intentionally dissonant sound to add a certain element, in this case being a tension that gets resolved by the following bass
In my opinion it was an obvious win for Napom. He was cleaner, more consistent, and more powerful. He had the counter and it was clear through their body language that he was dominating the battle and toying with River at multiple points. People bring up the end of his 2nd round as a low point, but I feel like that's a massive cope to justify River winning. LIke you say at around 16:16 everything he did before that was better than what River delivered but because he had one small bit that was sorta eh people are gonna disregard the entire rest of the battle lol.
People hear rivers new technique of Vocal Switching between falsetto and chest voice and go crazy for that arpeggio. But the fact is, it wasn’t clean. An arpeggio is AWESOME but like, rivers just wasn’t clean. Gene does these significantly better. Rivers technical side in his second round is what ALL his rounds should be. He would’ve deserved the win if he did that
if anything, i personally think it's not the joke that made napom lose the battle, but it's the very last drop of his round 2. it's powerful but at the same time, it's rather simple for someone like napom so probably the judge expect something more. imagine if the last drop was as powerfull his drop of his round 2 vs WING.
The battle was very close, slightly winning for RIver, in the beatboxing, but with the bad attitude and the stress feeling in the air, for me Napom won, but a understand why River won and i m happy with that, hard times for River if he lost that match, cause the Battle was lost, just personal opinion, I liked D low explanation though, and luck for River with 2 french judges in your back
To be honest, i didn’t really like Napom’s counter because the spit snare version of river is way leaner, but I got to admit that Stitch is totally right, especially with that example of Kotcha. I also wasn’t there live, so I don’t know how Napom’s counter actually feels like
@@stitch_mus1c Chill bro hahaha I heard you said this in your video, I’m just saying from a perspective of someone who watched the livestream. It’s true that counter works, it’s just not my type
I mean, Napom didnt really need to win, we know who he is, what he can do, he just needed money to fix his chipped tooth, Napom still won the real battle, and i dont think anyone can prove me wrong, its even better cuz napom got his share from that huge 20k prize, so it was a win win situation imo cuz he fixed his tooth from the share he got from the prize, and i know for a fact hes not mad or upset he lost
I totally understand your POV. For me, River was the winner because he showed some new melodies and techniques that I really enjoyed. Yes, he messed up a few times. But Napom is remixing his old beats a lot and I personally don't buy it anymore. Still an amazing battle tho. I admire Napom for lasting over 10 years on top level. A true legend of beatboxing.
I hear this all the time about napom naysayers, but the thing is he has been battling for almost a decade. What do you expect him to do, make a new track every 3 months? Being able to remix one of your popular beats is a skill imo. Think about seeing your favorite artist live...You want to hear their new shit? Yes. You want to hear their greatest hits? Yes. Pretty simple. Overall, I think napom was the strongest battler in the competition and I dont think he got rewarded for it in the end. Still a great battle.
@@kyroDUDE it definitely is a skill and I respect it. It´s just a personal preference, I guess. I like listening to new stuff and ideas. Even though he remixes his old beat, it is still easily recognizable. Please, don’t find this as a disrespect to Napom, It’s just when I hear “roll like this” remixed for a tenth time, I don’t find it that epic. Hope you understand.
A lot of beatboxer do that especially when they’re not fresh on the scene plus judges only judge based on the current rounds not rounds from the previous year or from a completely different event
La primera ronda de ambos me parece pareja, la segunda ronda River propuso mas y se avento muy buenas tecnicas, Napom inicio fuerte pero se debilito faltando 30 segundos lo que le resto puntos, River fue mas constante y napom tuvo mas picos. Por lo que River me parece justo ganador.
I always thought people take into account the whole conpetition when selecting the champion, not just the final battle. You could say Tomaz won vs D-Low in 2019, controversial but viable imo, but overall D-Low was the better contender that year, by far, owning quarters and semis. That's how I view it. Napom barely won vs Wing, arguably he stole the win. If you barely go through quarterfinal and semifinal, then win final hard, it's like eeehhh. Champion is more than just the final battle imo.
nah I feel you have to judge the battle for the battle. You can't say "oh this guy barely won the semis, so that gonna affect how I vote for him in the finals". this thinking makes no sense, because WHAT IF said beatboxer had a stronger opponent in the semis compared to the final? WHAT IF he barely won the semis because he was saving for the finals? WHAT IF there are beatboxers A & B in the finals, but it seems like beatboxer B had a more difficult time getting to the finals because he had a more difficult bracket? There are so many reasons to why someone does better or worse in their previous rounds/battles. Thats why you should never take into account the whole competition when selecting a champion.
I felt like like Napom had it until he did that break in round 2 with the jokes and the "weak" follow up. Imo he lost the energy here and ended on a bad note. Still I totally understand why a lot of people prefered Napom here
@@stitch_mus1c What does that mean in the context of a battle? The only things I can think of is if they're getting ready to counter it later or if they're trying to point out mistakes? Also thanks for letting me know I've been dying to know about this for years 😭
@@AiZm8 it can mean a lot of things. Like "hey pay attention, I'm about to do something really awesome" or like you said, "wait for it, I'm gonna counter it". It can be used for many situations, but the general idea of it is basically "okay listen carefully"
In general, both of them have topped the charts to the point that it goes down to individual tastes and opinions. In my opinion, River brought a blend of artistic musical themes and emotions to his rounds, bringing his routines to life with his storytelling and was countering the lip rolls and the spit snares ,not as good as napom ofc, but he stayed in theme which is more impressive. On the other hand, Napom focused more on battling and was a little too over the place for me. His rounds lack structure and life, which doesn't please me musically. YES both are repetitive but napom is way more repetitive. Period.
100% on point with the counter, like why would Napom of all people need another technique if he can do the same with what he's known for, which is liprolls. Basically he took Rivers pattern and Napomified it. What's better than completely copying everything in a counter? taking something from the opponent and making it yours, Napom showed the level that we expect from veterans in the field and lived up to it, a battler to the core. As someone who's more inclined to musicality and slow routines, I would probably give the win to a good musically strong routine, but River tried to be too complicated and that cost him pitch and sound combination. In my opinion, his sound selection was very off and didn't work almost 40% of the time. You don't need complicated incomprehensive sounds to win, look at people like Codfish, Bigman, Gene and even you Stitch, good and well executed musical routines are always a W for me, that's why Im a big fan of Wing's style, his execution and musicality does the work every time.
Always love the reactions Sketch. I felt that Napom got robbed in the finals but I think River won the comp, if River used his rounds against Ice he would have beat Napom. Also if Napom didn’t have such a weak drop at the end judges would have had to vote for him he ended with a really weak drop in their minds. Amazing battle tho I really want to go to gbb 25 how much do tickets cost?
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I enjoy River's rounds more. I did not feel at all second round from Napom. First rounds were close. I don't know if you saw what Alem said, I agree with him 100%. In the end it was a great battle. I wish people woulnd't throw hate towards River and the judges.
I would say when it comes to analyze a battle like this we need to put on top the complexity. Taking risk not always pays off but here clearly I value more what River tries to deliver compared with Napoms stuff. And sorry, but the counter is not good. Kotcha to me is not a counter, they show a better version of a well known beatbox routine. Then the routine in the second round is not well structured (i feel certain improvisation there). Last but not least, I love Napom style BUT is more refreshing and catchy seen new talents with new sounds and not the same refurbished stuff.
I can understand your point, EXCEPT for the counter part. You said 'they show a better version of a well known beatbox routine', isn't that the point of the counter? To show that you can do your opponent beat in your own way?
@@stitch_mus1c not sure at all. To me a counter is a way to demonstrate you can do what your oponent is doing. I perfectly understand your POV but if I put both overlapped I will choose Rivers one over Napoms counter. I did not see improvement neither better quality. Anyway, REALLY hard to pick one over the other…
I see all points HOWEVER? The counter is literally the difference here. How do the judges mis score that? They had to of miscalculated the counter points cus aint no way fam. He did the EXACT BPM and triple snares? What else is their to talk about? Its a battle right? So stage presence should of also played some points in a FINAL SURELY? Napom was legit grabbing every battle moment and running with it, I just don't see how we all can agree on winners some years but the judges always do some weird fishy stuff at the end. IDK. Even D-Low voted Napom.... im not sure bout them other creditals anymore lmfao. Skiller? Dont get me wrong I love him but bro? When was the last time he even beatboxed battled? How can u judge sounds accurately u cant even do????????
Stitch was more excited to hear Napom's counter than River's drop🤣.
I feel like Napom knew he won early round 2 and then felt confident so he took a risk with the end joke
EXACTLY WHAT I THOGHT
Idk if you watched Dlows judge analysis of the final but at the end he said it was 3-2 to River and he had voted for Napom and explained why
100% agree with you Mr. Stitch. Damn Daniel joke works for me more thanks to D-Low´s name
I appreciate your logical analyzations, I understand River winning because Napom misused his time in the 2nd half of his 2nd round. Although I did like the moments Napom committed to more than the moments River committed to.
Yeah I can see that POV
Couldn’t agree more
This is called Reaction ❤ I love your analysis
I can easily say that ur video is the best analysis for this battle, especially the part when u explained what a good counter is, cuz it seems like people don't get it xD
Keep it up man
100% agree. Both are phenomenal, but I thought that Napom had the better performance, and that counter was dead on. Sometimes I think that former GBB champions almost have a harder time at GBB, because they aren't just competing against their opponent, they're competing against the incredibly high bar they already set. For that reason, I think judges score them more critically than other competitors. Either way, it's amazing that Napom was one vote away from winning a second GBB 6 years after his first win. No one else has even come close to doing that, which just lays bare what a monster Napom is.
Darni went to gbb two times and won two times.
Besides that bro, as he said Napom got 2nd place just because of 1 vote missing😞😭
Was great performances by both, however based on rivers first round. I felt like he just didn't lose the round but should've have been multiple points off. And then to top it off napom executed a perfect counter should've have sealed it. But I guess napoms last part was more memorable then both his rounds.
I miss 2021 River
13:00 agreed 💯 percent he should get points for that counter.
No he should not. If he just made the beat yes but with saying "it's EXACTLY it" He made his points flew away BC it was a good counter but not EXACTLY it
i'm french and I like a lot River but yeah I was kinda confused with the result
For me, if you can do a similar beat/sound but even better, it is a mind-blowing counter. If you can imitate the sound exactly it's a great counter, if you can do a similar beat but different sounds/in your own style still great, but even if you counter and it is only slightlyyyy worse than what your opponent did, to me it is still + points because you are showing you can basically do their beat in a simple freestyle in the moment. To me, it's like saying, I just learned what you did in the last 15 seconds, while you spent a whole year preparing this. So I think it's still good. If you try and don't get close, then yeah, that's minus points.
Yeah but if it's similar and not the same and you say "it's EXACTLY the same" Then the plus points are away in my opinion. Lot of ppl are saying river was too stressed and napom was dominant but this sentence of napom cleaerly showed that he is too stressed bc he said that while he knows it's NOT EXACTLY the same
But the counter has to continue with napom's routine. He broke it
The analysis is always so good☝️
16:16 me too. Great analysis overall I agree with pretty much everything. To me the final beat from Napom reminds of the Minecraft building sound. So it works because of the comedic value
Napom definitely won this in my opinion too. I was thinking the same things as you when watching it for the first time
Thank you for speaking your real opinions! We all love River but Napom absolutely smashed this battle. Was able to match and exceed rivers energy in both rounds.
Loved your feedback on this dude. Really interesting analysis and you’ve said some things I haven’t heard anyone else talk about.
I agree with what you said about the counters. Those who claim otherwise are relatives of SpenserX
Sick analysis, so specific and well explained, not like D-low where he tries to not hurt anyone by not going specific but you getting so in detail and giving examples of other battles, sick, Stich, keep it up.
I remember watching the livestream of the final and inmediatelly thinking that napom was the Best beatboxer on the entire competition. River is extremely high skill and a beast, but at least for me something misses the spectator enjoyment of listening. Well, thats a shame, but what an epic final. Love ur content
Best explanation you could possibly do 😮❤
GG River! And Napom!
Bro your explanation is 100% satisfied me and it had a justice for napom to be won (lol) love from India❤️✌️🔥
What you said about the counter part says it ALL! Only people really into beatboxing will understand the essence of a GBB battle, this is not a video, a production... this is a BATTLE! And with that counter, NaPoM won. Period. River round was totally dead after that counter.
i dont think so, i mean he maybe did the best counter ever, but if he had started doing that river vocal technique, he wouldve immediately won, even i wouldve lost it. he said like hey i can imitate what u prepared a year for, but until here... and thats the little detail that doesnt make his pattern better and makes THE difference
Napom deserved the championship.
I think that if Napom had replaced this unfunny joke with "this is how we do" drop from the Championship match against FootboxG, he would have won the final
Whats the name of song that napom used in his first round
I feel the same way about NaPoM’s counter in the 2nd round because of how NaPoM messed around. I’m pretty sure NaPoM’s idea was that River’s shining moment in the 2nd round was nothing compared to him. I try to view the GBB rounds from all perspectives, including the sound itself, the frequencies, the pitching, and then the battling aspect between counters return and how everything is delivered. I solely think NaPoM should have won, but at the end of the day, it’s just a competition and they’re both great beatboxers.
its not just a competition since only the winner gets paid and it's 20 thousand..
💯% agree!!! Especially with the counter explanation!!! Napom did deserve the win. Both did exceptional and it was such a great final. This is probably the first time at a gbb final in solo where there is a major controversy over who really won the final!! Such a great reaction.🫶🏼
I agreed to you stitch
You and sxin gave me hope to raise up my voice
Thank you so much for the right decision
Your opinion is same as mine
One thing I have to add is that
Napom did 2 counters to river
You know how
See the river technique at 4:58
Then you will see the napom second round at 5:58 in which napom also did it as a counter
And first counter of round 2 was the best counter
And another counter I have to say was that when river first round was musical
Napom also did it musical without mistake and his musicality shows that napom was battling
What to say more than this
Napom was clean and loud at the spot
When I was watching live I was crying after watching napom lost🥲but I thought that I'm such a noob in judging someone and judges are better than me that's why they're sitting there judging the battles
At all we all know no one is like napom coz he's so smart and competing since 10 years
I think none beatboxer did that
Napom is really a living legend
But in the last of the video the lovely part was when river was thanking Collaps and collapse come from his back and gave him a hug
More than this I like when napom was upset that he didn't won the final , Kenny was there with napom and was so happy when napom name was called as a second place
Waali also hug to napom instead of River as Waali inspired from napom
I love it so much I wish I would be there to hug napom❤❤
I completely agree that Napom won
They're both amazing beatboxers, but I agree with your assessment as far as the battle went. NaPoM owned the energy both rounds.
11:40 I thought I was the only one thinking about that. Don’t get me wrong, I recognise it needs an unbelievable skill to do that and it’s normal in an atmosphere like the final to do such mistakes to keep the energy up. Anyway for me a good part of Napom’s points were made by the first seconds of the second round when he did the mind blowing counter and the first aggressive beat spinning his head like crazy, here the energy was palpable🔥
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For me 100% clearly napom had won.
In first round he answered perfectly in a musicality way to fight the river's musicality in his first round, and he has done such a beautiful first round. Then we have the second round.... i love drop at 5:58, it' s so fucking amazing with a lot of energy, i have goosebumps everytime i listen it, and the counter was so functional and good and i agree with your explanations about the concept of counter. Do a counter with the own style is a great victory for me. The only one weak point of napom's second round was the final drop after the joke (very fit in that situation), very weak and with less energy and a little bit unconsistent. But overall, clearly Napom would have won this final. River so sick but many times in second round he's gone off pitch with arpeggio. And then, the singing voice in first part of first round didn't sound so well for me, on the other hand, the napom's singing in first round is so gangsta and pleasant to hear it.
at least from what I was listening, river really took it for me, almost by a landslide, just goes to show how tastes can differ
Codfish vs Bataco is the perfect example of what you said about counters
Having two of the 5 judges French was a terrible mistake
I agree but having gene in it while napom is in the competition also shouldnt be allowed (same for kenny, amit & chris)
@@felixschneider1398 that’s one American judge versus the two French
@@DRM0087 They are his colleagues and literally live with him. The French people were just french
You can see napom look at River during his second round and it feels like he did the joke out of sympathy. That's my random beatbox conspiracy theory for the day
Nah why in the world would anyone let someone win the battle out of sympathy? That's just disrespectful bro. Napom doesn't do shit like that in a big battle like gbb
@@stitch_mus1c see that's what I was thinking it would be mad disrespectful if that's the way it actually turned out in all honesty I think napom won but Rivers deserved it he fought harder especially after losing world champion
@@djlarrylar7905 nah thats just wrong xD saying he deserved it because he lost at worlds is just giving him sympathy xD plus they fought equally, thats why they're both in the finals
@@stitch_mus1c I think when he said that he fought harder, he meant that he prepared routines for every battle instead of freestyling or using old routines
@@djlarrylar7905 imagine that point of view in boxing match. Sounds weird, isnt it?
I know napom Uses much of his same technique and arsenal but still he has the battle tempo and crowd control So it’s kinda shocking to see he lost
We have the same mind I swear. Last yr gbb i had a list of the doubles teams that should got in and we had the same top 8 lol
people like me who follow napom knows the technique napom used in round 2 counter isnt just liprolls its mixtures of squeaks which is very high level no many people do it but when napom used it agaisnt river it was one of the most genius smartest counter ever
Agree 🔥
I mean i still think Napom won too but i think the whole thing should be judged, not just the good/best bits. Those last 30 seconds from Napom really dropped a lot of points for me and i'm not surprised River won. Also in the case of Dilip and his elimination, i personally would rather have a consistently decent 4 minutes instead of a really good 2 minutes and bad 2 minutes. Every second should count and weigh into the final vote.
I think the reason why river won this battle is he got a lot of score for the first round, and for the second round him and napom got a super close score
4:55 Thats the counter Colaps did to King Inertia in GBB 2021 Semifinal Round 2
No
River second beat it similar from Colaps round 2 against inertia. Same beat but different
Factd
It’s literally the same beat with exception to the filler
No bro I don't think, colaps second round "unleash the precision" was different in structure and pattern
@@thabittgs3262 nah it was the same flow and pattern, just diff sounds
u shud have been the judge
Need more accolades
The thing with river's second round, his main drop at 12:12 is literally the same drop from colaps vs inertia at 6:09 lol
Yeah I was like I swear I heard this drop already
@@Worldly_Pitfall3 I don't know why people don't recognize it. it's a hard drop by colaps and a memorable one
River won but don’t forget that it was a 3/2 not 5/0. It was a really closed battle.
I was not here lived so I could only based my judgment on the lived audio during the competition and this edited and mixed audio.
For me River won but if you have to scale it on 100 points it would be 51 for River and 49 for Napom.
For me Napom counter was not even closed to River because If you want to counter a beat/technic/combo you have to :
- Do the same patern or a very closed patern
- You can counter with your own patern but It have to be as good as the original and the same vibe / flow / energy
- The counter must be on the same level of power, flow, clarity and cleanliness
For example nobody can really counter Napom on sub bass liproll or on his really fast liproll technic because Napom’s liproll is probably the strongest and the cleanest in the world.
Moreover Napom should have counter the liproll phase of River than his "fast spit nare" (idk if this is really that) technic, because River implemented vocal bass on the top of it !
That’s all I have to said and yeah BOTH could have won it.
And for the haters who are saying that the French guys voted for River (Napom said that too and I’m bit disappointed of him for that) two things : Gene votes for Napom and D-Low who is a much closer friend of River than Napom votes for Napom.
Nowadays in competition like that, when you are a judge, you have so much responsabilities and repercussions that you can’t just vote for someone because he is your friend.
Did you not watch Stitches video? Counters don't need to be the exact same thing. Furthermore it sounded basically the same and it matched the energy. Same technique, just a slight lip position variety. Dlow explained it too
@@HerbAndriMusic Yes I’ve watched it and I think I can tell what would be a great counter for me and why River won.
I can totally understand Stitch and D-Low point of view but I disagree (respectfully).
@@dustabeatbox571 lol a lot of counters rely on being similar but not being a 1:1 copy
@@Worldly_Pitfall3 yes and I said it with "you can counter with your own patern BUT it has to be as good as the original[…]"
I concur completely,well said. Kind of surprised you would have voted for napom but I would have as well. Napom just high on life having too much fun lol
I understand why people argue that Napom should be the winner; this is a really close battle, I know he bring power and much more energy but the decision ultimately depends on individual preferences. However I don't understand why some people say that River is overrated and doesn't deserve to be a champion.
If we look deeper, one reason why most beatboxers often lose in the semi-final or final rounds is because they run out of good routines or using bad strategy.
But River managed to reach the final two times in a row without using any recycle routine or repetitive pattern unlike to Napom who eliminated early rounds in gbb 2021 and be able to save many fresh routine to use in this year. I think we should give him more respect he is well-deserving.
To me River's 1st round doesn't have a battle energy/vibe he's entire routine sounds more like a showcase piece, whereas Napom went into a battle mode and hype the crowd with both of his rounds sounding full of energy and expression...I feel bad for Napom he got robbed twice in gbb finals.... Hope he'll come back stronger in the next gbb
What's that arm gesture napom does in River's 1st round???
As for the counter thing, I believe the same can be said for Bataco vs Codfish.
Bataco did a razor sound that sounds like game or movie sound effect, But Codfish did whistle sound that sounds like razor gun.
If you listen to carefully for details, their two techniques must be completely different.
But Codfish's razor whistle move is called "one of the best counter ever".
And now, everyone say "NAPOM DID BAD COUNTER"
WHY??
me personally i don’t hear any problems with the pitch of river’s arpeggios during the second round (except the last one). to me its sort of like how you’d have a mini key change in music or an intentionally dissonant sound to add a certain element, in this case being a tension that gets resolved by the following bass
for me it wasnt more about pitch, but more of the frequencies in those sounds that he chose for that drop
@@stitch_mus1c well thats fair then, at the end of the day its just preference
Ok but honestly rivers 1st round was clearly the slowest and i get it that it has different variations but napom controlled the crowd
Its clear when it comes to crowd control😂
In my opinion it was an obvious win for Napom. He was cleaner, more consistent, and more powerful. He had the counter and it was clear through their body language that he was dominating the battle and toying with River at multiple points. People bring up the end of his 2nd round as a low point, but I feel like that's a massive cope to justify River winning. LIke you say at around 16:16 everything he did before that was better than what River delivered but because he had one small bit that was sorta eh people are gonna disregard the entire rest of the battle lol.
来年はGBBの決勝でStitchのことみたい
People hear rivers new technique of Vocal Switching between falsetto and chest voice and go crazy for that arpeggio. But the fact is, it wasn’t clean. An arpeggio is AWESOME but like, rivers just wasn’t clean. Gene does these significantly better. Rivers technical side in his second round is what ALL his rounds should be. He would’ve deserved the win if he did that
if anything, i personally think it's not the joke that made napom lose the battle, but it's the very last drop of his round 2.
it's powerful but at the same time, it's rather simple for someone like napom so probably the judge expect something more.
imagine if the last drop was as powerfull his drop of his round 2 vs WING.
The battle was very close, slightly winning for RIver, in the beatboxing, but with the bad attitude and the stress feeling in the air, for me Napom won, but a understand why River won and i m happy with that, hard times for River if he lost that match, cause the Battle was lost, just personal opinion, I liked D low explanation though, and luck for River with 2 french judges in your back
To be honest, i didn’t really like Napom’s counter because the spit snare version of river is way leaner, but I got to admit that Stitch is totally right, especially with that example of Kotcha. I also wasn’t there live, so I don’t know how Napom’s counter actually feels like
live, it sounded exactly live Rivers beat
@@stitch_mus1c Chill bro hahaha I heard you said this in your video, I’m just saying from a perspective of someone who watched the livestream. It’s true that counter works, it’s just not my type
Yooooo!
I mean, Napom didnt really need to win, we know who he is, what he can do, he just needed money to fix his chipped tooth, Napom still won the real battle, and i dont think anyone can prove me wrong, its even better cuz napom got his share from that huge 20k prize, so it was a win win situation imo cuz he fixed his tooth from the share he got from the prize, and i know for a fact hes not mad or upset he lost
Didn't know he actually had a share with the prize money, where did you get this information
@@lVaderl55 they split the money between 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th
I totally understand your POV. For me, River was the winner because he showed some new melodies and techniques that I really enjoyed. Yes, he messed up a few times. But Napom is remixing his old beats a lot and I personally don't buy it anymore. Still an amazing battle tho. I admire Napom for lasting over 10 years on top level. A true legend of beatboxing.
I hear this all the time about napom naysayers, but the thing is he has been battling for almost a decade. What do you expect him to do, make a new track every 3 months? Being able to remix one of your popular beats is a skill imo. Think about seeing your favorite artist live...You want to hear their new shit? Yes. You want to hear their greatest hits? Yes. Pretty simple. Overall, I think napom was the strongest battler in the competition and I dont think he got rewarded for it in the end. Still a great battle.
@@kyroDUDE it definitely is a skill and I respect it. It´s just a personal preference, I guess. I like listening to new stuff and ideas. Even though he remixes his old beat, it is still easily recognizable. Please, don’t find this as a disrespect to Napom, It’s just when I hear “roll like this” remixed for a tenth time, I don’t find it that epic. Hope you understand.
A lot of beatboxer do that especially when they’re not fresh on the scene plus judges only judge based on the current rounds not rounds from the previous year or from a completely different event
River better than for structure, excecution, and complexity
I'm agree with u and I think they didn't want Napom win this battle
He threw it to the wind with the poor joke and the bad ending. Both could have won tbh
hello stitch.
La primera ronda de ambos me parece pareja, la segunda ronda River propuso mas y se avento muy buenas tecnicas, Napom inicio fuerte pero se debilito faltando 30 segundos lo que le resto puntos, River fue mas constante y napom tuvo mas picos. Por lo que River me parece justo ganador.
Stitch should be a judge
I always thought people take into account the whole conpetition when selecting the champion, not just the final battle. You could say Tomaz won vs D-Low in 2019, controversial but viable imo, but overall D-Low was the better contender that year, by far, owning quarters and semis. That's how I view it. Napom barely won vs Wing, arguably he stole the win. If you barely go through quarterfinal and semifinal, then win final hard, it's like eeehhh. Champion is more than just the final battle imo.
nah I feel you have to judge the battle for the battle. You can't say "oh this guy barely won the semis, so that gonna affect how I vote for him in the finals". this thinking makes no sense, because WHAT IF said beatboxer had a stronger opponent in the semis compared to the final? WHAT IF he barely won the semis because he was saving for the finals? WHAT IF there are beatboxers A & B in the finals, but it seems like beatboxer B had a more difficult time getting to the finals because he had a more difficult bracket? There are so many reasons to why someone does better or worse in their previous rounds/battles. Thats why you should never take into account the whole competition when selecting a champion.
No logic , you. Are judging someone because of their past battles , and not on the present one? Are u serious?
I felt like like Napom had it until he did that break in round 2 with the jokes and the "weak" follow up.
Imo he lost the energy here and ended on a bad note. Still I totally understand why a lot of people prefered Napom here
idk why you dislike 4:33 - it's fuckin crazy good
It sounds very forced
It's so crappy💀
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I did on a livestream
@@stitch_mus1c checking ❤
what does it mean when a beatboxer taps their ear? I've seen it often but can't find out what it means
It means 'listen' or 'pay attention'
@@stitch_mus1c What does that mean in the context of a battle? The only things I can think of is if they're getting ready to counter it later or if they're trying to point out mistakes? Also thanks for letting me know I've been dying to know about this for years 😭
@@AiZm8 it can mean a lot of things. Like "hey pay attention, I'm about to do something really awesome" or like you said, "wait for it, I'm gonna counter it". It can be used for many situations, but the general idea of it is basically "okay listen carefully"
@@stitch_mus1c thank you so much for the explanation!!!!!!!!
In general, both of them have topped the charts to the point that it goes down to individual tastes and opinions. In my opinion, River brought a blend of artistic musical themes and emotions to his rounds, bringing his routines to life with his storytelling and was countering the lip rolls and the spit snares ,not as good as napom ofc, but he stayed in theme which is more impressive. On the other hand, Napom focused more on battling and was a little too over the place for me. His rounds lack structure and life, which doesn't please me musically. YES both are repetitive but napom is way more repetitive. Period.
100% on point with the counter, like why would Napom of all people need another technique if he can do the same with what he's known for, which is liprolls. Basically he took Rivers pattern and Napomified it. What's better than completely copying everything in a counter? taking something from the opponent and making it yours, Napom showed the level that we expect from veterans in the field and lived up to it, a battler to the core. As someone who's more inclined to musicality and slow routines, I would probably give the win to a good musically strong routine, but River tried to be too complicated and that cost him pitch and sound combination. In my opinion, his sound selection was very off and didn't work almost 40% of the time. You don't need complicated incomprehensive sounds to win, look at people like Codfish, Bigman, Gene and even you Stitch, good and well executed musical routines are always a W for me, that's why Im a big fan of Wing's style, his execution and musicality does the work every time.
I may not be a pro, but Ive still been beatboxing for about 7-8 years now, wouldn't take more than 3 years to understand what's off and what's not.
Always love the reactions Sketch. I felt that Napom got robbed in the finals but I think River won the comp, if River used his rounds against Ice he would have beat Napom. Also if Napom didn’t have such a weak drop at the end judges would have had to vote for him he ended with a really weak drop in their minds. Amazing battle tho I really want to go to gbb 25 how much do tickets cost?
Yea yes I am not a professional beatboxes but it’s very close from river but NAPOM won’t KEEP IT REAL BEATBOX COMMUNITY ✅
If I wanted to cry I would’ve listened to Rivers 1st round at my grandmas funeral lmao. It’s too slow and not battle energy.
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i dont like Napom style... but this was pure steal
I enjoy River's rounds more. I did not feel at all second round from Napom. First rounds were close. I don't know if you saw what Alem said, I agree with him 100%. In the end it was a great battle. I wish people woulnd't throw hate towards River and the judges.
Yeah I definitely agree, I also dont think people should be throwing hate at River or the judges
I would say when it comes to analyze a battle like this we need to put on top the complexity. Taking risk not always pays off but here clearly I value more what River tries to deliver compared with Napoms stuff.
And sorry, but the counter is not good. Kotcha to me is not a counter, they show a better version of a well known beatbox routine.
Then the routine in the second round is not well structured (i feel certain improvisation there).
Last but not least, I love Napom style BUT is more refreshing and catchy seen new talents with new sounds and not the same refurbished stuff.
I can understand your point, EXCEPT for the counter part. You said 'they show a better version of a well known beatbox routine', isn't that the point of the counter? To show that you can do your opponent beat in your own way?
@@stitch_mus1c not sure at all. To me a counter is a way to demonstrate you can do what your oponent is doing. I perfectly understand your POV but if I put both overlapped I will choose Rivers one over Napoms counter. I did not see improvement neither better quality.
Anyway, REALLY hard to pick one over the other…
Napom winner
For me napom just lost because of the terrible (for me) joke that was so long
river's drop in 4:57 has exactly the same melody of collapse round against Ineria (precision) that's really not good, Napom should win this
Almost every trick River does is off pitch
I see all points HOWEVER? The counter is literally the difference here. How do the judges mis score that? They had to of miscalculated the counter points cus aint no way fam. He did the EXACT BPM and triple snares? What else is their to talk about? Its a battle right? So stage presence should of also played some points in a FINAL SURELY? Napom was legit grabbing every battle moment and running with it, I just don't see how we all can agree on winners some years but the judges always do some weird fishy stuff at the end. IDK. Even D-Low voted Napom.... im not sure bout them other creditals anymore lmfao. Skiller? Dont get me wrong I love him but bro? When was the last time he even beatboxed battled? How can u judge sounds accurately u cant even do????????
Man, stop crying, there is so many criterias about battles, stop judging judges
Very dirty (non-musical moments 4:32, 4:39 and 5:30). Both rounds of Rivera are weaker than Napom.
Napom win
River overrated
Who's with me
pin please