I tried this today extremely helpful . An important point that you mentioned about brusing the ball up and more importantly we need to squat a bit -> see the ball dropping and then brush the ball. Thanks much.
Thank you Tom, been training on the more advanced flick last few months but still having trouble with it so this is a good way to continue and as you say, it probably is a bit easier in the long run to be able to play the more advanced flick!
For me, I'd much rather have a ok shot, which I can actually use, rather than an amazing shot which rarely works. This is not to say we should settle for being 'ok' and 'average'. Of course, we should always try to develop out technique, but it is sometimes easier to start in a basic way, rather than jumping straight to pro-standard technique.
I think this is very helpful. This shot isn’t going to be an outright winner very often, but with good placement it should put opponents on their heels and allow you to take the initiative. Also, it should allow less advanced players like me to incorporate a flick into the short game without having to develop a risky pro-style shot.
This is exactly right. It's not spectacular, but at least it works and gives you an option to put the other player under pressure when returning serves.
Hi Tom, I just watched your tutorial video about Backhand banana flick and I want to say thank you. You explained the technique very well and showed me how to execute it correctly. I learned a lot from your video and I appreciate your effort and passion for teaching table tennis. You are a great coach and a great player. I will practice this skill in my next session and I hope to improve my game. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us
Your assistant is very good . i learned a lot by seeing ...tough some partners laugh when i say that i saw this or that on the internet ...i think they are a bit jalous !!
Glad to have your videos back! Useful and very informative as always! Nice to hear you stress that you shouldn't try to do too much with this flick as a beginner (me!), as this is what we tend to do after watching the pros on TH-cam... :-)
Yes, this is always the danger. We see how amazing the pros are and how effortless their shots are. But what pros can do is technically very difficult for us mere mortals to do consistently. And for me consistency is very important. If you can't do a shot consistently it's not very useful. So I always think it's best to start with more basic technique - something you can actually use - and develop from there.
Thanks Tom, very educational. It would be nice to spend some time showing some technkques to improve on this basic flick. Also, I think you need to be carefull not to go too low into the ball, since you need the ellbow a little bit higher to enable you to rotate around it.
I will have a video showing a more advanced BH flick technique in a few months. And you are right - as you develop your BH flick technique, the elbow will start to raise higher.
Mr. Lodziak, please do mention in your videos how to generate these shots with short pips too. It would be very useful. There are so many players using short pips especially on their bh side! And of course, thank you for these video lessons.
Hey Tom...could you make a video on "how to play against Dr.Neubauer Gorilla"....I know you have a long list of yet to do videos...just add this to that list...cheers
Unless you are really good at reading spin, difficult to be effective especially against heavy underspin and service spin variations. If you are really good at reading spin, you probably advanced to the banana flick.
Hey Tom. Have you ever considered doing a video about comparing the similarities and the differences between the BACKHAND BANANA FLICK and the BACKHAND LOOP? It appears to me that the backhand BANANA FLICK and the backhand LOOP are nearly identical because they are both based upon the same stroke. The backhand FLICK appears to be just an above-the-table mini-backhand loop. I notice that in the BANANA FLICK (unlike for the backhand loop) the bat is NOT below the table and the bat is NOT pointing down and the player does NOT do the same amount of squat/rise as he might do for a loop. But otherwise, to me, the strokes are nearly identical, and they both end up striking the ball at a 45° angle with an arm movement at ball strike that is also about 45°. So if a person can can master the backhand loop, he should be able to generalize this skill into learning a backhand flick, and vice versa. What do you think? Do you think this would make a good video?
Tom, your arm seems to reach out quite a bit when you flip the ball. Coaches always say:" don't reach out when doing backhand topspin". Do you think it is better to step in more to do backhand flip?
It depends how short the ball is. If very short, then you need to step in and reach for the ball a little. If it's a slightly longer short serve, then you don't need to step in so much. I probably reach a little too much and could benefit from stepping in better.
Yes you can. You won't be able to generate as much spin, but you hit through the ball. With short pips, it easier to flick if the serve has light backspin or no spin. It's a bit harder with short pips if the serve is very heavy backspin.
Thinking that people get obsessed with flicking short serves when all it is really doing is giving your opponent a slowish low topspin ball they can really open up on... A lot of the time you'd be better off with a well placed push/touch shot.
I think it depends on playing style. Some players like to get straight into topspin rallies. So doing flicks is perfect for them. Other players prefer to touch and push and let the other player attack first. Either option is fine, as long as it plays to your strengths.
@@TomLodziak definitely, and against local league pushers a flick of any description brings the game into an attackers comfort zone... Im just saying if you're playing someone who can attack and counter hit and you don't get good speed/spin/position on the flick you're potentially leaving yourself open for them to open up on you... Thanks for the great content as always, good to have stuff aimed at the local league legends! 🤣
One doubt. Do I need to change the grip of my bat if I switch from pushing to forehand drive. I have a different grip for forehand drive and push. Is it wrong????
Yes, step in with your right leg (for right handed players). The exception is if the ball is very wide, off the side of the table. Then stepping in with the left leg is better.
I am sorry to say this because i really like your approach to the various strokes and the idea to simplify table tennis but many of your videos will make players trying to copy them develop bad habits instead of practice the, maybe more advanced and difficult but nonetheless, more "right" and proper strokes.
If the serve is very, very short, maybe the best option is to touch or push. But for 'standard' short serves or half long serves, then flicking is very possible, even is the ball is low with lots of backspin.
"What is the MINIMUM BALL PEAK HEIGHT off the bounce where a ball can still be successfully and consistently BANANA FLICKED?" Or, put another way, "What is the MINIMUM BALL PEAK HEIGHT off the bounce below which the ball is TOO LOW to be successfully and consistently BANANA FLICKED and therefore can only be PUSHED?" I myself can consistently banana flick a ball with a bounce on my side of the table that rises to a 9" peak, but I cannot seem to consistently banana flick a ball with a peak that is only 7” or much lower. So at this point, I am not practicing flicking balls that are lower than an imaginary 7" MINIMUM BALL PEAK THRESHOLD, and instead, if the ball is 6" or lower, I'll just PUSH the ball. I’ll easily PUSH all balls with peaks of between 2” and 6”, but between a 6" ball peak and an 8” ball peak, I don't know what to do. These balls seem TOO LOW TO consistently BANANA FLICK (at least for me) but at the same time, they appear to be TOO HIGH TO RISK a PUSH (without prompting the opponent himself to attack my ball by his own FLICK or by his own LOOP). On the videos I’ve seen, even Fan Zhen Dong is generally NOT banana flicking any balls that are lower than a 6” peak. So, that being said, "What is the MINIMUM PEAK HEIGHT where a ball can still be successfully and consistently banana FLICKED? " OR, "What is the MINIMUM PEAK HEIGHT below which the ball is TOO LOW to be successfully and consistently banana FLICKED and therefore should only be PUSHED?"
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You are a gifted instructor! Thank you so much for sharing such very high quality videos with everyone!
Excellent instruction - Thank you!
I tried this today extremely helpful . An important point that you mentioned about brusing the ball up and more importantly we need to squat a bit -> see the ball dropping and then brush the ball. Thanks much.
Thank you Tom, been training on the more advanced flick last few months but still having trouble with it so this is a good way to continue and as you say, it probably is a bit easier in the long run to be able to play the more advanced flick!
For me, I'd much rather have a ok shot, which I can actually use, rather than an amazing shot which rarely works. This is not to say we should settle for being 'ok' and 'average'. Of course, we should always try to develop out technique, but it is sometimes easier to start in a basic way, rather than jumping straight to pro-standard technique.
Brilliant! Found this to be very useful as it's the right level for me - more like this please!
You are welcome. Happy to help.
I think this is very helpful. This shot isn’t going to be an outright winner very often, but with good placement it should put opponents on their heels and allow you to take the initiative. Also, it should allow less advanced players like me to incorporate a flick into the short game without having to develop a risky pro-style shot.
This is exactly right. It's not spectacular, but at least it works and gives you an option to put the other player under pressure when returning serves.
Thank you for the easy to understand instructions.
Very good video on basic B/H flick, please keep them coming.
great tutorial .. I cannot help but will not skip all ads in your channel coach .. thanks a lot
Hi Tom, I just watched your tutorial video about Backhand banana flick and I want to say thank you. You explained the technique very well and showed me how to execute it correctly. I learned a lot from your video and I appreciate your effort and passion for teaching table tennis. You are a great coach and a great player. I will practice this skill in my next session and I hope to improve my game. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us
Great video and timely for me. On the backhand flick I tend to push through the ball like a block versus brushing the ball. Thanks for posting.
Yes, the brushing is the vital part. If you can get that bit right, then you can start to develop a very strong BH flick.
Great for beginner and Intermediate level players
Very many thanks Tom, another excellent video. I will now see if I can put it into practice!
Thank you for this video, it help me a lot to understand the basic movement and do bh flick with more confidence.... sorry for my poor english
Thank you Tom! One of the best TT-Videos on TH-cam! So easy, so usefull, so good.
Thank you for watching!
the best explained backhand flick
Thanks for your sincere efforts. i personally found many tips in your videos which improved my game.
Happy to help.
Very educative. Thanks
Please make a video for explaing pimples player not against but for those players please
I really liked you channel , but when i changed from backhand pimples to normal I now like it even more!
Thanks lot...you make it become simple. Great job...
thanks! Very useful channel, especially for office TT players ^^
Wonderful video!!!
Your assistant is very good . i learned a lot by seeing ...tough some partners laugh when i say that i saw this or that on the internet ...i think they are a bit jalous !!
Glad to have your videos back! Useful and very informative as always! Nice to hear you stress that you shouldn't try to do too much with this flick as a beginner (me!), as this is what we tend to do after watching the pros on TH-cam... :-)
Yes, this is always the danger. We see how amazing the pros are and how effortless their shots are. But what pros can do is technically very difficult for us mere mortals to do consistently. And for me consistency is very important. If you can't do a shot consistently it's not very useful. So I always think it's best to start with more basic technique - something you can actually use - and develop from there.
Great information mate!! Thank you!
Great video, as always
Thank's, Tom
Thanks
love your videos!! Your a real help :)
very useful video, thank you,
Thank you, awesome video. backhand is my weak spot.
I really appreciate your instruction. I wish I could practice with you in real life :D
Take a trip to Cambridge and I would be very happy to play!
Great.. Technik..brothers.
Thanks Tom, very educational. It would be nice to spend some time showing some technkques to improve on this basic flick. Also, I think you need to be carefull not to go too low into the ball, since you need the ellbow a little bit higher to enable you to rotate around it.
I will have a video showing a more advanced BH flick technique in a few months. And you are right - as you develop your BH flick technique, the elbow will start to raise higher.
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Excelente video, thanks
Excellent
Mr. Lodziak, please do mention in your videos how to generate these shots with short pips too. It would be very useful. There are so many players using short pips especially on their bh side! And of course, thank you for these video lessons.
I may have an option to make a video with a very good short pips player. Hopefully it will happen and I can make some good videos.
Tom Lodziak That would be very much appreciated sir. Thank you in advance!
Why would you need to bh flick with pips? You can't generate topspin or loop with pips either.
@@Shrimp0kUgel short pip ! learning before commenting 😊,
Hey Tom...could you make a video on "how to play against Dr.Neubauer Gorilla"....I know you have a long list of yet to do videos...just add this to that list...cheers
Nice video....question...what size is the room ???thanks tom
Unless you are really good at reading spin, difficult to be effective especially against heavy underspin and service spin variations. If you are really good at reading spin, you probably advanced to the banana flick.
this flick could be a secret weapon as the speed and spin is different with banana flick
Good!
Thanks!
That's very kind. Thank you!
so no one gonna say it? Ok here's go.
Super easy! Barely an inconvenience!
I focus on hitting with the correct part of the racket and doing wrist movement but I can't brush the ball properly. What's wrong?
Maybe it's the bat angle? Make sure the bat angle is straight-ish and make aim a little higher. This might fix it.
I would like to learn the forehand flick
He has a video on it.
Thanks, i will search it
Here's a video on FH flick with Paul Drinkhall.
Tom Lodziak thanks, i’ve just seen it...
What do you think about post a video of a match you played?
Hey Tom. Have you ever considered doing a video about comparing the similarities and the differences between the BACKHAND BANANA FLICK and the BACKHAND LOOP? It appears to me that the backhand BANANA FLICK and the backhand LOOP are nearly identical because they are both based upon the same stroke. The backhand FLICK appears to be just an above-the-table mini-backhand loop. I notice that in the BANANA FLICK (unlike for the backhand loop) the bat is NOT below the table and the bat is NOT pointing down and the player does NOT do the same amount of squat/rise as he might do for a loop. But otherwise, to me, the strokes are nearly identical, and they both end up striking the ball at a 45° angle with an arm movement at ball strike that is also about 45°. So if a person can can master the backhand loop, he should be able to generalize this skill into learning a backhand flick, and vice versa. What do you think? Do you think this would make a good video?
Hi Tom I’m trying the shot but I keep on hitting the top of the net or off the end of the table any general tips what I’m doing wrong cheers John
Tom, your arm seems to reach out quite a bit when you flip the ball. Coaches always say:" don't reach out when doing backhand topspin". Do you think it is better to step in more to do backhand flip?
It depends how short the ball is. If very short, then you need to step in and reach for the ball a little. If it's a slightly longer short serve, then you don't need to step in so much. I probably reach a little too much and could benefit from stepping in better.
Thanks Tom! Can we do the BH flick using the short pips rubber?
Yes you can. You won't be able to generate as much spin, but you hit through the ball. With short pips, it easier to flick if the serve has light backspin or no spin. It's a bit harder with short pips if the serve is very heavy backspin.
Tom, is it possible to use this technique on the forehand as well?
Thinking that people get obsessed with flicking short serves when all it is really doing is giving your opponent a slowish low topspin ball they can really open up on... A lot of the time you'd be better off with a well placed push/touch shot.
I think it depends on playing style. Some players like to get straight into topspin rallies. So doing flicks is perfect for them. Other players prefer to touch and push and let the other player attack first. Either option is fine, as long as it plays to your strengths.
@@TomLodziak definitely, and against local league pushers a flick of any description brings the game into an attackers comfort zone... Im just saying if you're playing someone who can attack and counter hit and you don't get good speed/spin/position on the flick you're potentially leaving yourself open for them to open up on you...
Thanks for the great content as always, good to have stuff aimed at the local league legends! 🤣
One doubt.
Do I need to change the grip of my bat if I switch from pushing to forehand drive.
I have a different grip for forehand drive and push. Is it wrong????
A small adjustment may be ok, but ideally you should use the same grip when switching between strokes.
@@TomLodziak ok, thanks.
Make a video on chopping the ball please sir
I have a video on chopping coming next month.
What does it change for a player with short pimples on backhand?
Well what about your ur footwork..is it right ur right legs?
Yes, step in with your right leg (for right handed players). The exception is if the ball is very wide, off the side of the table. Then stepping in with the left leg is better.
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I am sorry to say this because i really like your approach to the various strokes and the idea to simplify table tennis but many of your videos will make players trying to copy them develop bad habits instead of practice the, maybe more advanced and difficult but nonetheless, more "right" and proper strokes.
The serves that I receive are much shorter and lower than those shown here. Maybe the tables are different.
If the serve is very, very short, maybe the best option is to touch or push. But for 'standard' short serves or half long serves, then flicking is very possible, even is the ball is low with lots of backspin.
@@TomLodziak Thank you!
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"What is the MINIMUM BALL PEAK HEIGHT off the bounce where a ball can still be successfully and consistently BANANA FLICKED?" Or, put another way, "What is the MINIMUM BALL PEAK HEIGHT off the bounce below which the ball is TOO LOW to be successfully and consistently BANANA FLICKED and therefore can only be PUSHED?" I myself can consistently banana flick a ball with a bounce on my side of the table that rises to a 9" peak, but I cannot seem to consistently banana flick a ball with a peak that is only 7” or much lower. So at this point, I am not practicing flicking balls that are lower than an imaginary 7" MINIMUM BALL PEAK THRESHOLD, and instead, if the ball is 6" or lower, I'll just PUSH the ball. I’ll easily PUSH all balls with peaks of between 2” and 6”, but between a 6" ball peak and an 8” ball peak, I don't know what to do. These balls seem TOO LOW TO consistently BANANA FLICK (at least for me) but at the same time, they appear to be TOO HIGH TO RISK a PUSH (without prompting the opponent himself to attack my ball by his own FLICK or by his own LOOP). On the videos I’ve seen, even Fan Zhen Dong is generally NOT banana flicking any balls that are lower than a 6” peak. So, that being said, "What is the MINIMUM PEAK HEIGHT where a ball can still be successfully and consistently banana FLICKED? " OR, "What is the MINIMUM PEAK HEIGHT below which the ball is TOO LOW to be successfully and consistently banana FLICKED and therefore should only be PUSHED?"
Unfortunately,using your method will have no power on the ball
It's not supposed to like he said.
The idea is to start focusing on technique before adding power
The idea of this approach is to learn to spin the ball first. Power can come later.
I don't think so. Power not so less, it depends on the timing and your skill
You can't play table tennis
Please point me to your TH-cam channel. I look forward to your version of Tom's video...
thanks for the vid, def 1 of my weakness
Very useful. Thanks !