“Beware of rich men with turbines. If they have a three million dollar aircraft, they’re very good at something. Don’t bet your life it’s airmanship.” Man, you have a way with truth and words. Thanks for the video.
I was an instrument rated bonanza pilot for 30 years. I recently quit flying after realizing I was getting older, and I wasn't staying sharp enough to fly hard IFR. I had many trips where I stayed an extra day, waiting for better weather to depart. Almost always it had to do with thunderstorms somewhere along my flight path. Twice I remember making a landing en route because of unexpected weather. Almost all controllers are very helpful, but I do remember one time flying from Florida to Oklahoma when I entered building cumulous and at that time there was no data link weather in planes. I only had a storm scope and began to notice lightning strikes indicated on the scope ahead. I told the controller that I was going to land because it looked like storms ahead. He then informed me that all the traffic ahead of me was diverting around the weather. I was almost in the weather when I diverted. It would have been nice if he had passed that bit of information along to me a bit earlier.
Old freight dog here. An airplane is an equal opportunity killer. Ignorance is curable, but stupidity is terminal. Just because they can afford stuff like this, they certainly can afford an old boy like me to make things safer. But it’s like trying to fix stupid. Great Video!
The SD crash is even more nuts. The airport manager was at the airport plowing, trying to keep up with the heavy snow. He told them not to go, and they even had an option to stay another night at the hunting lodge. Money might buy you a pilatus, but can't buy good judgement, common sense or skill.
I heard quite a bit about this one. But I didn't know the CG was so far aft. More passengers than seats, what is this New York city transit ? Get there itis at its finest. I can afford a toy Pilatus that's about it. But I would never put my passengers at risk by departing in weather like that. Where did they have to be that couldn't wait ? I think even the big airlines delay flights when the weather is that bad. Hey I'm not saying I never made bad decisions or mistakes. But c'mon. I'm not flying in that crap. Not even driving. The passengers should have objected too.
I'd say money usually buys you poor judgement because you end up surrounding yourself in a cult of wealth and exposing you to feckless yes-men who treat you like you're god.
I’m my experience the quality’s that make a good business man make a dangerous and deadly pilot. I know several that are now dead because they know more than everyone else and nobody is going to tell them what they can or cannot do!
I knew a FBO who had a Bonanza dealership. He told corporate he would no longer sell aircraft to doctors and teach them to fly the aircraft. He no longer wanted to see them kill themselves and their whole family. He gave up his dealership.
That was 9:53 of brutal and accurate honesty. In this litigious and opinionated world people think they can argue with physics and the POH. They can't. Thanks for telling it straight - one of your best yet.
Never heard that before. Makes sense though. The person that's always taking the extra precautions instead of getting complacent tends to survive more often than not I guess.
'I've lost my autopilot'..We hear the call to ATC far too often. That's not an emergency. It's not even something worth sharing..If you notice that the AP has failed and your reaction is likely to be anything other than 'So What?' .. you shouldn't be flying IMC. The second accident here requires no comment at all.
@@Vejitasei No ! absolutely not ! Unless the operation requires that by law the pilot must have a functioning AP. Anyone operating in IMC otherwise should be capable of operating that aircraft without an AP.. and operating it perfectly well and safely.. if not then stay away from operating at night or in IMC. An AP is simply an aid to relieve the workload.. Anyone dependent on an AP to keep them alive needs additional training and experience. Electronics will fail. ATC is not there to fly your aircraft.
@jamesgraham6122 in order to flight above FL190 with RVSM an AP is required, and the failure of the AP must be reported to ATC. However, I 100% agree thar AP failure should not raualt in an emergency or lost of control of the aircraft
I used to be a Porsche Club of America driving instructor. We had lots of rich tech bros back in the heyday of Microsoft. They all ran out and bought the most powerful Porsche they could find, thinking that their success as coders made the great drivers. It didn't.
I'll say it again: Your descriptions and commentary are incomparable and your delivery is truly poetic. I've heard the detailed reports that Juan (Blancolirio) does on these same incidents, and he is great at detail and facts, but your incorporation of background details and articulation are uniquely poignant and a welcome take on a tough subject. Your prose is exemplary as always, Thank You!
Should have mentioned how the airport manager was continually telling those guys that they are crazy and should not go - yet they kept dismissing him. We have that phone footage because the airport manager knew something bad was going to happen. If someone is pulling out their phone to record you doing something... stop and try to figure out why.
“A pilot with an instrument rating is a pilot who has received enough training to know when to stay on the ground”, Bob Stevens. But what good is all that training without discipline?
This might be one of your best videos yet. Great narration and flow. I like how you are straight forward and make your thoughts and points very clear. I’m a new CFI trying to learn more about the industry. Thanks for the work you do.
About 25 years ago, I returned to my home airport HXF, Hartford Wisconsin. There was a weird scene on the runway, and nobody was talking, so I landed on the grass. It turned out that two doctors flying a doctor killer (what else would you expect?) had done a gear up. They were from about 40 miles away, and I asked them if they'd like me to fly them home. They declined, but later my phone rang so I came and got them. Upon returning them to their home airport, they requested I drop them off at an adjacent hangar bank so they could hopefully slink back to their hangar undetected. As funny as this was, it said a lot. They were "pilot enough" to fly the expensive toy(s), but didn't want to own up to a mistake. These are the attitudes that get people killed, including unsuspecting passengers that can't assess the danger at hand.
that's just hubris. That's how "real pilots" end up in NTSB reports because they think that they are better than everyone else. In reality - flying is a very simple skill, what differentiates a good pilot from the bad is not that, it's the diligence in staying current and proficient, good planning and knowledge of one's own minimums.
@@YaroslavNechaev ... you've just described a very non-simple skill , requiring a lot of time and effort and brainspace , exactly defining a real pilot
On what planet is it ever a good decision to either plan on or agree to having 11 people in a 9 seater aircraft. I mean the mere thought is patently ludicrous. Who could possibly think riding unsecured in the aisle was at all a smart decision?? The idiocy is both abundant and stupefying.
I appreciate you speaking about adult issues with straight forward to the point analysis and contempt for the stupidity of these pilots.. So many TH-camr’s dance around the hard truth in an effort to soften tone for fear of hurting feelings.. I say the dead have no feelings and the survivor’s family knows the truth already.. Call a spade a spade and maybe we have less spades to talk about..
@@darthheretic129Well I guess I appreciate Hoover trying to not offend pilots and families or overly critize pilot's mistakes. He throws in his disclaimers clearly. Also I guess he doesn't want backlash from certain people. Which is I guess in contrast to this guy who gets bluntly straight to the point. Hey I watch both of their videos with an open mind, hear what they have to say, take what I can from it. But the fact that someone takes the time to reflect on these mistakes in some kinda way might help a pilot to avoid them in the future. However they choose to go about doing that. But also as a passenger we should know who we should and shouldn't fly with. Lot of good points here, Hoover too.
Disagree. This guy is trying way to hard to get on AGT or is just trying out his stand-up if he ever gets a chance. Witty is one thing but when you feel effort, it's no longer humorous
@@darthheretic129 Hoover runs rings around this guy. Hoover is for pilots and his analysis shows it. This guy is just trying to be funny and he's trying way to hard!
@@andrebello4191 I like both. Hoover gives a good military debrief. Here, if nothing else, expresses the frustration and, to a extent, the anger I feel when pilots don't take piloting seriously. We are part of a elite group and should be held to a higher standard.
i’ve entered this comment in the past,,,but its worth retelling…former marine aviator, stopped at an AFbase to refuel…at base ops, we heard twr talking to an inbound w/ probs…”we have control problems’….they landed 15 min later and taxied in..a Cherokee 140….had 4 of the largest pax that cd fit..the ground crew came and said ‘yu gotta see this’…we ambled out to look…still attached to the tail tie down was abt 6 ft of rope w/what was left of a cinder block…..
Love the way you tell it straight. Ego and arrogance kills. Get thereitus call it what you will. You just can't beat stupid however wealthy you are. The fact that the passengers always put their trust in these individuals always amazes me. To kill yourself is one thing but friends and family? So needless and sad😢
I got my PPL in 1994 and by 1997 was into a Mooney 252. My last airplane was a 1985 King Air C90A. It was fun. It is a lot of responsibility and money. I had the opportunity to fly the PC12 left seat along the way. It's a wonderful airplane.
That last accident: I wouldn't drive a car in those conditions. And all those folks piling in for the ride. Hubris on the pilot's part, some might say. I wonder if in the run up to the flight, with all his activity and conditions (seemingly) worsening, I wonder: was he afraid? I'd guess he was, in which case there is something more than hubris at play. As usual, nice writing, Dan.
Flying an airplane in those conditions is wildly easier for a pro than driving a car. In W&B, Type I & IV and that pc-12 would have had no issue. I've flown in lots of conditions I almost can't drive to the airport in, but because of the support structure and capability of the aircraft, it's no issue at all to fly in.
@7:09 should be "wings stop producing lift at a HIGHER airspeed..." By the way, I'm a business owner and I fly a turboprop twin. While I don't regard myself as a rich man, many would, I suppose. Don't paint with too broad a brush. I do simulator training twice per year for my model, stay current, use checklists, understand my airplane, and fly conservatively.
Biting, cynical and unfortunately very truthful. We need more blunt reality checks in this snowflake mentality world where people are too afraid to offend someone. Keep up the good work!
Most of these pilots only held a Private Pilot license and were flying single pilot. I fly the PC-12 professionally and can say that flying a single engine turboprop can be a handful for one pilot, even a pro.
Perfectly said! knew a few details about this accident but learned from you what really happened. I Fly the Pilatus professionally so I was familiar with all you said about the plane. Thanks!
Pilatus is just the new doctor killer to replace the Bonanza. Flying in IMC really should be reserved for the pros. If your only time spent in the aircraft is a semi-annual vacation, you have no business flying it. Just pay someone else who will get you there safely.
In the olden days we used to call expensive high performance private planes doctor killers. They had the skills to save people,, made money, possibly a god complex but the airplanes would kill them due to more bravado than skill.
Well that's a sobering and accurate assessment. I recently retired from a 40 year aviator career - 7 years USAF and 33 commercial. Everything I ever flew I was extensively trained on and methodically confidant and hopefully competent. I have no desire to fly GA because it's what you don't know that you don't know that will kill you and anyone with you.
On the last crash analyzed a woman lost her grandfather, father, uncle (father’s brother), her husband, brother, bother-in-law (sister’s husband) and a cousin or nephew. It was a family hunting trip for the men the day before Thanksgiving. The uncle was flying the plane. The person running the airport tried to get them to stay. They actually said a prayer in the cabin for safe travel in bad weather. A nightmare.
Excellent presentation, I wanted to fly after 60 , so I got type in a single light jet. My simulator told me there is pressure to get rich folks through the program , extra training to pass a 70% pass. In defense , instructor discussed mentor pilot with certain clientele.
Well done! You gotta talk about rich people with jets next, start with the WAY over V1 abort at Falcon Field in Mesa. Low experience PPL owner driving this one.
If you mean part 121 and most part 135, that is correct. That however, has nothing to do with single pilot part 91. Flying IFR in an approved single engine plane with a competent pilot is done millions of times per year without accident or incident. However, both the plane and pilot need to be competent; and often the accidents that are reported are due to (frequently gross) lack of ability of the pilot. That's also true for professional pilots in accidents.
Every commercial pilot worth anything at all can fly whatever they are current and rated in by themselves. They're a waste of space if they cannot. The second pilot is an ease of workload, to catch errors, etc. But they are NOT a crutch for poor airmanship.
@@z987k - Not really. Large turbojet aircraft are designed to be flown by two competent pilots. Yes, it can be done if necessary, but with significantly reduced safety margins. Case in point: I’m rated on and flew the B-747-400. Could I have gotten it safely on the ground single pilot (when I was current in the type)? Yes, I absolutely believe so - but it would be a handful, if for no other reason than the fact that many of the systems were far less automated than the MD-11 (which I’m also rated on and have flown). Doable? Yes, but managing the systems could become a distraction, particularly in a busy ATC environment. The second pilot is more than just a backup.
@@AndreySloan_is_a_cnut I'm a current PIC on a 747. I'm quite aware of how a crew environment works. You should be able to single pilot whatever you are rated in, provided there's no major non-normals. If you're really new to the airplane and still holding onto the tail, that's one thing, but until you aren't the other pilot is almost defacto single pilot anyways. If there is any question whatsoever as to the safe outcome of the flight if one of the pilots(assuming just 2) becomes incapacitated, the other pilot isn't really competent enough to be sitting there. I know we put people in the seat all the time that aren't ready to be there in this industry. We shouldn't. But the economics of spending enough time on them to get them where they need to be before we endanger the public dictates that we put them out there anyways and just hope for the best.
Great video. I can't help but think that a certain kind of privilege sometimes plays into the hazardous attitude realm. Does it fall under invincibility? Anti-authority? Macho? I'm sure you're looking at the recent Catalina Island crash claiming 5 lives. Not rich. No turbine. But Larry the Pilatus driver: (the former cop, firearms company owner, and chairman of the board for department of corrections in Georgia)? I'm guessing this guy didn't take criticism well, and probably often used the phrase: "Do you know who I am"?
Elegant and blunt poetry of reality! Much to learn! Thank you! Dan Gryder can't match your elegant use of language but he is also fighting to keep pilots alive. Two wings of the same life saving bluebird.
I don't understand audiences. With clear honest information prese🎉 in an unapologetic way, this channel should be a major influence in the aviation community. It should be right up there with Jaun and Hoover. I have heard it said if one approaches truth, do so cautiously. Godspeed my brave man, may your channel grow to the numbers it should, hundreds of thousands of Subscribers. As many as there are with pilot licenses in thier wallets,as what you ,Jaun, Hoover , and Dan Gryder want is to see these people spend many more Thanksgivings together, even if it means outing cold hard truths!❤❤❤
@@flyingformoney777 It's your choice of words and phrasing that captivates. It creates a conveyance of unambiguous and explicit truth. It humanizes the event. *Challenger crash in Truckee might be an interesting one. Cockpit drama...
These are rich grown men used to getting everything, so it's like giving P-Platers Indycars. The Dunning-Kruger effect on display again. Maybe one day I'll do a sports pilot licence, but not until I have >200hrs gliding. Cheers. 🇦🇺
Not to quibble, but there's a lotta rich men with turbines still flying, and flying safely. Those of us who don't have a lot of money tend to distrust/dislike those who do have a lot of it, but that doesn't mean that if you're not rich you must be immune to stupid errors. Unfortunately, there are a lot of TH-cam aviation fans who will think exactly that. Which is too bad. What killed these guys wasn't their money... it was their lack of commitment to training, currency, proficiency in their aviation avocation. In his very good book "The Killing Zone", aviation writer Paul A. Craig identifies the characteristics of pilots, or "pilot personality" traits, that make us different from the general population. These same traits tend to be found in successful entrepreneurs. But they're also found in pilots who aren't very successful in life, too. Being poor is not a guarantee that you won't kill yourself and your passengers because you failed to commit to excellence in piloting. I encourage every pilot to read Paul Craig's book early in their training career... if I ran the FAA, I'd make it mandatory training for every new private pilot.
Obviously being poor doesn’t make someone a good pilot, just like being rich. But only the rich dude can afford more that he knows how to fly. I do agree that there are plenty of rich folks who take flying seriously and do it well.
Why only use the Daher TBM as the sample crashing aircraft. You had a PC12 in one frame early on but changed it toTBM. Could you describe the proper transitional aircraft to go thru B4 graduating to a TBM turbo?
They were all TBM. (Only the live video was of a Pilatus). There are no PC-12 options for Microsoft Flight Sim. It’s not about proper aircraft transition as much as recognizing personal limitations and maintaining proficiency.
MOST EXCELLENT narration about deadly counters with mortality. Avoid Rich Men With Turbines has replaced Avoid Rich Men With V Tails at the top of the stupidity list.
Actor Clint Eastwood: A man's gotta know his limits. Loved the introduction, I've also seen kids of rich men do stupid life ending chyte with daddy's $$$.
This has been going on since anyone with enough money can become a pilot and fly anything. Example, recently a famous actor landing his aircraft on a taxiway at KLAX! I live in the Midwest and 70 miles to the SW of my home a doctor killed everyone except one while making an approach in his light twin in IFR conditions. Poor fuel crossfeed technic caused that crash. 12 miles to the east of my home a judge flying back from Florida in his Cirrus put it into a grove of trees while making an IFR (GPS) approach in heavy fog. Not setting up his autopilot correctly caused this one. I know that I am not as smart as they were, but my experience and professional training would have kept this from happening. The standards must be higher if you are going to fly passengers, and perhaps single pilot privileges should not be allowed in some of these more complex aircraft. Enough of these senseless deaths!! Remember when they said anyone can fly an airplane. Probably was a selling point for general aviation aircraft.
@@flyingformoney777 I read the report on this one and kept it simple with my explanation on how it happened. You are correct he was a good guy. Had a carpenter do work on my house and he had gotten into trouble with too many DUIs and was sentenced to prison by this judge. That judge upon learning that the carpenters son was dying from cancer reduced the sentence to where he would not have to go to prison. He now has a successful business, minus a son.
The scary part is they are at an airport near you. Ive seen them, ive met them. The same guys when im waiting for my instructor were turning their nose up at the rest of us walking to their 2024 turboprop. Same guys who end up going straight through a house, ditching in the sea (if they survive) or causing a ground collision. Usually with those idiots your survival is not guaranteed. Their ego and pride gets in the way on the ground, in the air, on the runway and on the taxiway. They are above taking flying seriously like potential commercials, instructors and any A&P worth his salt. Theyll be the first to puff up over the bill a repair station gives them. The first to lecture a instructor how hes smarter. The first to look down on other students. Beware the signs, look for them. These people kill others. They may be the goodest guy, a nobel prize winner with a charity to boot. But being good doesnt mean you arent stupid, ignorant or egotistical.
Private pilots in the USA obviously can get an instrument rating with far too little training. Many European civil aviation authorities are reluctant to validate FAA pilot's licences. The required standard is definitely below those generally required in Europe
Your narrative style is so good I have to rewind to catch all the nuances. So good. I think you were being nice in your generalization. I would say beware of Rich white men with powerful planes. I looked at so many crashes and it's almost all rich older white men.
Can't remember the source, but recently I heard somebody comment something like "if you can afford to buy, fly and maintain a plane like a PC12, you can afford to pay a CFI to fly with you". Also, in this analysis every PC12 accident resulting in fatality has been a single pilot operation th-cam.com/video/NpqBJ5xNqFg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v0MvYlfH9J9-YNnT.
The overwhelming majority of CFIs would be way over their head in a PC12. We have quite a performance gap in aviation these days. Wizards in 172s, and then a handful of guys who are wizards in airliners and fighters…the chasm in between is vast, and it wasn’t always that way.
The only aircraft accident investigation channel that makes us pensive. From a previous video… NTSB: hypoxia, CFIT. FfM : sure and “There is an evil that I have seen under the sun, and it lies heavy on mankind: a man to whom God gives wealth, possessions, and honor, so that he lacks nothing of all that he desires, yet God does not give him power to enjoy them,”. Did you just quote Solomon in an accident investigation? I couldn’t subscribe fast enough. Well done as usual.
“Beware of rich men with turbines. If they have a three million dollar aircraft, they’re very good at something. Don’t bet your life it’s airmanship.” Man, you have a way with truth and words. Thanks for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah it can't be airmanship, nobody makes that kind of money by being good at airmanship...
I can only second, really great wordsmanship :)
Pilatus PC 12 or TBM …. ???
%100 agree with your comment
“the sort of guy that packs 11 people onto an airplane with 9 seatbelts isn’t the type to get tangled in red tape..” that made me chuckle
Thanks for that😁
True, they eventually get tangled in wreckage
I was an instrument rated bonanza pilot for 30 years. I recently quit flying after realizing I was getting older, and I wasn't staying sharp enough to fly hard IFR. I had many trips where I stayed an extra day, waiting for better weather to depart. Almost always it had to do with thunderstorms somewhere along my flight path. Twice I remember making a landing en route because of unexpected weather. Almost all controllers are very helpful, but I do remember one time flying from Florida to Oklahoma when I entered building cumulous and at that time there was no data link weather in planes. I only had a storm scope and began to notice lightning strikes indicated on the scope ahead. I told the controller that I was going to land because it looked like storms ahead. He then informed me that all the traffic ahead of me was diverting around the weather. I was almost in the weather when I diverted. It would have been nice if he had passed that bit of information along to me a bit earlier.
Old freight dog here. An airplane is an equal opportunity killer. Ignorance is curable, but stupidity is terminal. Just because they can afford stuff like this, they certainly can afford an old boy like me to make things safer. But it’s like trying to fix stupid. Great Video!
The SD crash is even more nuts. The airport manager was at the airport plowing, trying to keep up with the heavy snow. He told them not to go, and they even had an option to stay another night at the hunting lodge. Money might buy you a pilatus, but can't buy good judgement, common sense or skill.
It was confounding…
I heard quite a bit about this one. But I didn't know the CG was so far aft. More passengers than seats, what is this New York city transit ? Get there itis at its finest. I can afford a toy Pilatus that's about it. But I would never put my passengers at risk by departing in weather like that. Where did they have to be that couldn't wait ? I think even the big airlines delay flights when the weather is that bad. Hey I'm not saying I never made bad decisions or mistakes. But c'mon. I'm not flying in that crap. Not even driving. The passengers should have objected too.
I'd say money usually buys you poor judgement because you end up surrounding yourself in a cult of wealth and exposing you to feckless yes-men who treat you like you're god.
I’m my experience the quality’s that make a good business man make a dangerous and deadly pilot. I know several that are now dead because they know more than everyone else and nobody is going to tell them what they can or cannot do!
I knew a FBO who had a Bonanza dealership. He told corporate he would no longer sell aircraft to doctors and teach them to fly the aircraft. He no longer wanted to see them kill themselves and their whole family. He gave up his dealership.
That was 9:53 of brutal and accurate honesty. In this litigious and opinionated world people think they can argue with physics and the POH. They can't. Thanks for telling it straight - one of your best yet.
"Only the paranoid survive"- I said that once to my copilot, and he laughed. But I wasn't joking.
Never heard that before. Makes sense though. The person that's always taking the extra precautions instead of getting complacent tends to survive more often than not I guess.
"Paranoia self destroyer". Have vigilance, not paranoia.
Quote by Andrew Grove, founder of Intel, and title of one of his books.
never fly with someone braver than you
Eternal vigilance is the price of safety.
'I've lost my autopilot'..We hear the call to ATC far too often. That's not an emergency. It's not even something worth sharing..If you notice that the AP has failed and your reaction is likely to be anything other than 'So What?' .. you shouldn't be flying IMC. The second accident here requires no comment at all.
IF you are above FL190 and flying RVSM you need to report lost of AP. But if should not lead to an emergency.
@@Vejitasei Yes, agreed, but it's simply a notification due to loss of guaranteed separation.. not a warning that you're unable to control the a/c !
@@jamesgraham6122 Agreed! It is NOT an emergency, but something I do need to notify ATC.
Loss of control in IMC is still a huge killer in GA.
@@Vejitasei No ! absolutely not ! Unless the operation requires that by law the pilot must have a functioning AP.
Anyone operating in IMC otherwise should be capable of operating that aircraft without an AP.. and operating it perfectly well and safely.. if not then stay away from operating at night or in IMC. An AP is simply an aid to relieve the workload.. Anyone dependent on an AP to keep them alive needs additional training and experience. Electronics will fail. ATC is not there to fly your aircraft.
@jamesgraham6122 in order to flight above FL190 with RVSM an AP is required, and the failure of the AP must be reported to ATC. However, I 100% agree thar AP failure should not raualt in an emergency or lost of control of the aircraft
I used to be a Porsche Club of America driving instructor. We had lots of rich tech bros back in the heyday of Microsoft. They all ran out and bought the most powerful Porsche they could find, thinking that their success as coders made the great drivers. It didn't.
I'll say it again: Your descriptions and commentary are incomparable and your delivery is truly poetic. I've heard the detailed reports that Juan (Blancolirio) does on these same incidents, and he is great at detail and facts, but your incorporation of background details and articulation are uniquely poignant and a welcome take on a tough subject. Your prose is exemplary as always, Thank You!
I also watch Blancolirio channel. I like his detailed analysis but I don’t spend the rest of the day thinking about what he said.
Should have mentioned how the airport manager was continually telling those guys that they are crazy and should not go - yet they kept dismissing him. We have that phone footage because the airport manager knew something bad was going to happen. If someone is pulling out their phone to record you doing something... stop and try to figure out why.
“A pilot with an instrument rating is a pilot who has received enough training to know when to stay on the ground”, Bob Stevens. But what good is all that training without discipline?
Really proud of these videos, you set a good example for the rest. Cheers
I love your monologue, I watch your videos multiple times just to listen again
This might be one of your best videos yet. Great narration and flow. I like how you are straight forward and make your thoughts and points very clear. I’m a new CFI trying to learn more about the industry. Thanks for the work you do.
About 25 years ago, I returned to my home airport HXF, Hartford Wisconsin. There was a weird scene on the runway, and nobody was talking, so I landed on the grass. It turned out that two doctors flying a doctor killer (what else would you expect?) had done a gear up. They were from about 40 miles away, and I asked them if they'd like me to fly them home. They declined, but later my phone rang so I came and got them. Upon returning them to their home airport, they requested I drop them off at an adjacent hangar bank so they could hopefully slink back to their hangar undetected. As funny as this was, it said a lot. They were "pilot enough" to fly the expensive toy(s), but didn't want to own up to a mistake. These are the attitudes that get people killed, including unsuspecting passengers that can't assess the danger at hand.
I love this channel. He doesn't mince words. Thanks for the honest videos.
smart rich people hire real pilots . because they know one can't be very good at that many things
that's just hubris. That's how "real pilots" end up in NTSB reports because they think that they are better than everyone else. In reality - flying is a very simple skill, what differentiates a good pilot from the bad is not that, it's the diligence in staying current and proficient, good planning and knowledge of one's own minimums.
@@YaroslavNechaev ... you've just described a very non-simple skill , requiring a lot of time and effort and brainspace , exactly defining a real pilot
Smart rich people hire two old white dudes to fly their craft.
On what planet is it ever a good decision to either plan on or agree to having 11 people in a 9 seater aircraft. I mean the mere thought is patently ludicrous. Who could possibly think riding unsecured in the aisle was at all a smart decision?? The idiocy is both abundant and stupefying.
I appreciate you speaking about adult issues with straight forward to the point analysis and contempt for the stupidity of these pilots.. So many TH-camr’s dance around the hard truth in an effort to soften tone for fear of hurting feelings.. I say the dead have no feelings and the survivor’s family knows the truth already.. Call a spade a spade and maybe we have less spades to talk about..
Pilot Debrief. Hoover is whining for 3 minutes preceding every video. It’s exhausting and pandering.
@@darthheretic129Well I guess I appreciate Hoover trying to not offend pilots and families or overly critize pilot's mistakes. He throws in his disclaimers clearly. Also I guess he doesn't want backlash from certain people. Which is I guess in contrast to this guy who gets bluntly straight to the point. Hey I watch both of their videos with an open mind, hear what they have to say, take what I can from it. But the fact that someone takes the time to reflect on these mistakes in some kinda way might help a pilot to avoid them in the future. However they choose to go about doing that. But also as a passenger we should know who we should and shouldn't fly with. Lot of good points here, Hoover too.
Disagree. This guy is trying way to hard to get on AGT or is just trying out his stand-up if he ever gets a chance.
Witty is one thing but when you feel effort, it's no longer humorous
@@darthheretic129 Hoover runs rings around this guy. Hoover is for pilots and his analysis shows it. This guy is just trying to be funny and he's trying way to hard!
@@andrebello4191 I like both. Hoover gives a good military debrief. Here, if nothing else, expresses the frustration and, to a extent, the anger I feel when pilots don't take piloting seriously. We are part of a elite group and should be held to a higher standard.
i’ve entered this comment in the past,,,but its worth retelling…former marine aviator, stopped at an AFbase to refuel…at base ops, we heard twr talking to an inbound w/ probs…”we have control problems’….they landed 15 min later and taxied in..a Cherokee 140….had 4 of the largest pax that cd fit..the ground crew came and said ‘yu gotta see this’…we ambled out to look…still attached to the tail tie down was abt 6 ft of rope w/what was left of a cinder block…..
finally someone who calls it like it is.
Love this narration, it’s almost poetic. 👍
From a professional pilot to another - great videos. You’re a real airman. Keep them coming 🙏🏻
Love the way you tell it straight. Ego and arrogance kills. Get thereitus call it what you will. You just can't beat stupid however wealthy you are. The fact that the passengers always put their trust in these individuals always amazes me. To kill yourself is one thing but friends and family? So needless and sad😢
Glad you covered this one. Well done sir. Sad.
Yes, it is. Thanks for watching.
I got my PPL in 1994 and by 1997 was into a Mooney 252. My last airplane was a 1985 King Air C90A. It was fun. It is a lot of responsibility and money. I had the opportunity to fly the PC12 left seat along the way. It's a wonderful airplane.
That last accident: I wouldn't drive a car in those conditions. And all those folks piling in for the ride. Hubris on the pilot's part, some might say. I wonder if in the run up to the flight, with all his activity and conditions (seemingly) worsening, I wonder: was he afraid? I'd guess he was, in which case there is something more than hubris at play. As usual, nice writing, Dan.
Flying an airplane in those conditions is wildly easier for a pro than driving a car. In W&B, Type I & IV and that pc-12 would have had no issue.
I've flown in lots of conditions I almost can't drive to the airport in, but because of the support structure and capability of the aircraft, it's no issue at all to fly in.
@7:09 should be "wings stop producing lift at a HIGHER airspeed..." By the way, I'm a business owner and I fly a turboprop twin. While I don't regard myself as a rich man, many would, I suppose. Don't paint with too broad a brush. I do simulator training twice per year for my model, stay current, use checklists, understand my airplane, and fly conservatively.
“Larry’s impact on our state will not be forgotten.” Nor will his last impact.
Another great and well-written video, Stan.
Biting, cynical and unfortunately very truthful. We need more blunt reality checks in this snowflake mentality world where people are too afraid to offend someone. Keep up the good work!
I watch all the aviation TH-cam channels and this is one of my favorite. Please keep making these videos.
Thanks! Appreciated!
Most of these pilots only held a Private Pilot license and were flying single pilot. I fly the PC-12 professionally and can say that flying a single engine turboprop can be a handful for one pilot, even a pro.
Perfectly said! knew a few details about this accident but learned from you what really happened. I Fly the Pilatus professionally so I was familiar with all you said about the plane. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Rich men destroying the Warbirds community as well.
Great writing, man. You’ve got a new follower.
Your narration is top notch. Very well done! New subscriber! ✌️
Again, best on the internet. Thanks for your commentary!!
"Life is tragedy or transformation"
Excellent!
Pilatus is just the new doctor killer to replace the Bonanza. Flying in IMC really should be reserved for the pros. If your only time spent in the aircraft is a semi-annual vacation, you have no business flying it. Just pay someone else who will get you there safely.
It is a sad truth.
Saw the same thing teaching scuba
Great prose!
Thanks!
In the olden days we used to call expensive high performance private planes doctor killers. They had the skills to save people,, made money, possibly a god complex but the airplanes would kill them due to more bravado than skill.
Well that's a sobering and accurate assessment. I recently retired from a 40 year aviator career - 7 years USAF and 33 commercial. Everything I ever flew I was extensively trained on and methodically confidant and hopefully competent. I have no desire to fly GA because it's what you don't know that you don't know that will kill you and anyone with you.
Yep, they didn't get rich by being a pilot..
Egos are so dangerous.
Passengers dying is the worst. They trust the pilots to keep them alive
Amazing video thank you
Don’t miss the end of this 9+ minutes of airmanship prose.
“Ok. That’s all.”
Poignant and apropos point taken.
Your best one yet. And that's saying something. Nice work.
On the last crash analyzed a woman lost her grandfather, father, uncle (father’s brother), her husband, brother, bother-in-law (sister’s husband) and a cousin or nephew. It was a family hunting trip for the men the day before Thanksgiving. The uncle was flying the plane. The person running the airport tried to get them to stay. They actually said a prayer in the cabin for safe travel in bad weather. A nightmare.
Excellent presentation, I wanted to fly after 60 , so I got type in a single light jet. My simulator told me there is pressure to get rich folks through the program , extra training to pass a 70% pass. In defense , instructor discussed mentor pilot with certain clientele.
My neighbor died in a TBM 700 crash. He had purchased it 10 days before. He was a Dr.
Well done! You gotta talk about rich people with jets next, start with the WAY over V1 abort at Falcon Field in Mesa. Low experience PPL owner driving this one.
Most professional commercial pilots don't fly single engine IFR. You're welcome.
If you mean part 121 and most part 135, that is correct. That however, has nothing to do with single pilot part 91. Flying IFR in an approved single engine plane with a competent pilot is done millions of times per year without accident or incident. However, both the plane and pilot need to be competent; and often the accidents that are reported are due to (frequently gross) lack of ability of the pilot. That's also true for professional pilots in accidents.
Every commercial pilot worth anything at all can fly whatever they are current and rated in by themselves. They're a waste of space if they cannot. The second pilot is an ease of workload, to catch errors, etc. But they are NOT a crutch for poor airmanship.
@@z987k - Not really. Large turbojet aircraft are designed to be flown by two competent pilots. Yes, it can be done if necessary, but with significantly reduced safety margins. Case in point: I’m rated on and flew the B-747-400. Could I have gotten it safely on the ground single pilot (when I was current in the type)? Yes, I absolutely believe so - but it would be a handful, if for no other reason than the fact that many of the systems were far less automated than the MD-11 (which I’m also rated on and have flown). Doable? Yes, but managing the systems could become a distraction, particularly in a busy ATC environment. The second pilot is more than just a backup.
@@AndreySloan_is_a_cnut I'm a current PIC on a 747. I'm quite aware of how a crew environment works. You should be able to single pilot whatever you are rated in, provided there's no major non-normals. If you're really new to the airplane and still holding onto the tail, that's one thing, but until you aren't the other pilot is almost defacto single pilot anyways.
If there is any question whatsoever as to the safe outcome of the flight if one of the pilots(assuming just 2) becomes incapacitated, the other pilot isn't really competent enough to be sitting there.
I know we put people in the seat all the time that aren't ready to be there in this industry. We shouldn't. But the economics of spending enough time on them to get them where they need to be before we endanger the public dictates that we put them out there anyways and just hope for the best.
Great video. I can't help but think that a certain kind of privilege sometimes plays into the hazardous attitude realm. Does it fall under invincibility? Anti-authority? Macho? I'm sure you're looking at the recent Catalina Island crash claiming 5 lives. Not rich. No turbine. But Larry the Pilatus driver: (the former cop, firearms company owner, and chairman of the board for department of corrections in Georgia)? I'm guessing this guy didn't take criticism well, and probably often used the phrase:
"Do you know who I am"?
I think the flight you’re talking about is the gospel singers, The Nelons, or at least that was the pilot for that flight.
Typical cop attitude. Low information, yet unjustifiably self confident for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
love your vids. no bullshittin.
Elegant and blunt poetry of reality! Much to learn! Thank you! Dan Gryder can't match your elegant use of language but he is also fighting to keep pilots alive. Two wings of the same life saving bluebird.
You have to be careful who you fly with. I've seen plenty of dangerous people doing scary things
I don't understand audiences. With clear honest information prese🎉 in an unapologetic way, this channel should be a major influence in the aviation community. It should be right up there with Jaun and Hoover. I have heard it said if one approaches truth, do so cautiously. Godspeed my brave man, may your channel grow to the numbers it should, hundreds of thousands of Subscribers. As many as there are with pilot licenses in thier wallets,as what you ,Jaun, Hoover , and Dan Gryder want is to see these people spend many more Thanksgivings together, even if it means outing cold hard truths!❤❤❤
Well written and spoken. Kudos.
AOPA needs to hire you to start producing and narrating their accident case study series, Stan. This is another banger!
Thanks for that. I’m doing some stuff with Twin and Turbine. Next one will have an article associated with it.
@@flyingformoney777 It's your choice of words and phrasing that captivates. It creates a conveyance of unambiguous and explicit truth. It humanizes the event.
*Challenger crash in Truckee might be an interesting one. Cockpit drama...
Along these same lines, check out the final flight of N102PT, 1 Feb, 2008, departing KAUG.
Great presentation, thanks...love your style of commentary, yup - dice with saftey... it'll dice with YOU!!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Wasnt the last one taking off on a closed runway and against the advice of the airport manager and still would not listen.
"Each second of life is a march towards death" thanks for the existential crisis
Awareness buys time, time buys options - until it doesn't. Ego and awareness seldom go hand-in-hand.
2:18. How does that happen? Why would a pilot refuse to check attitude indicators?
Refreshing lack of compromise for people who have absolutely no place commanding an aircraft in those situations.
Bravo bravo bravo. 👏🏼 Now we just need a good beat and this could become the next musical banger of the year. 🙏🏼
These are rich grown men used to getting everything, so it's like giving P-Platers Indycars. The Dunning-Kruger effect on display again. Maybe one day I'll do a sports pilot licence, but not until I have >200hrs gliding. Cheers. 🇦🇺
In any type of personal aviation, you will find a situation where the ability to buy exceeds the ability to fly.
"There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots,”
Not to quibble, but there's a lotta rich men with turbines still flying, and flying safely. Those of us who don't have a lot of money tend to distrust/dislike those who do have a lot of it, but that doesn't mean that if you're not rich you must be immune to stupid errors. Unfortunately, there are a lot of TH-cam aviation fans who will think exactly that. Which is too bad. What killed these guys wasn't their money... it was their lack of commitment to training, currency, proficiency in their aviation avocation.
In his very good book "The Killing Zone", aviation writer Paul A. Craig identifies the characteristics of pilots, or "pilot personality" traits, that make us different from the general population. These same traits tend to be found in successful entrepreneurs. But they're also found in pilots who aren't very successful in life, too. Being poor is not a guarantee that you won't kill yourself and your passengers because you failed to commit to excellence in piloting. I encourage every pilot to read Paul Craig's book early in their training career... if I ran the FAA, I'd make it mandatory training for every new private pilot.
Obviously being poor doesn’t make someone a good pilot, just like being rich. But only the rich dude can afford more that he knows how to fly. I do agree that there are plenty of rich folks who take flying seriously and do it well.
The attitude is: "A million bucks and I can do anything ............... except survive flying my plane!"
Telling it like it should be told. The world’s most dangerous hobby.
Why only use the Daher TBM as the sample crashing aircraft. You had a PC12 in one frame early on but changed it toTBM. Could you describe the proper transitional aircraft to go thru B4 graduating to a TBM turbo?
They were all TBM. (Only the live video was of a Pilatus). There are no PC-12 options for Microsoft Flight Sim. It’s not about proper aircraft transition as much as recognizing personal limitations and maintaining proficiency.
@flyingformoney777 What would you suggest as the necassary types to be proficient on before even thinking about a e.g. TBM 960
I taught many that were good at Wordmanship.. And mediocre at Airmanship..
Well said. It looks easy when you’re ahead of it. Onlookers make the mistake of assuming, it is easy.
I help all of us, I stopped teaching doctors and Lawyers over 30 yrs ago.
I do not want my name in their log books.
Shall I say it? “There are old pilots, and the are bold pilots, but there are NO old bold pilots”. Old flight instructor saying.
Uncommonly good narration!
Thanks!
Excellent video! Subscribed!
Doesn’t matter if it’s a turbine or piston, gravity will always win.
First the Doctor Killer, then the Geek Killer (Cirrus), now we have the Playboy Killer.
Watched this video with my coffee this morning. I'm going to have a good day. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
MOST EXCELLENT narration about deadly counters with mortality.
Avoid Rich Men With Turbines has replaced Avoid Rich Men With V Tails at the top of the stupidity list.
The TBM is bugging me 😭
There is no PC-12 option for Microsoft Flight sim.
@7:08 I think you meant to say wings stall at a _higher_ airspeed when in icing conditions
I did.
He probably meant a lower AoA, since wings don't stall at airspeeds.
It’s not the money it’s the lack of experience with weather and off hand flying. It’s decision making.
Actor Clint Eastwood: A man's gotta know his limits. Loved the introduction, I've also seen kids of rich men do stupid life ending chyte with daddy's $$$.
I like you commentary style.
You don't shy away from the foolishness and the irony.
This has been going on since anyone with enough money can become a pilot and fly anything. Example, recently a famous actor landing his aircraft on a taxiway at KLAX!
I live in the Midwest and 70 miles to the SW of my home a doctor killed everyone except one while making an approach in his light twin in IFR conditions. Poor fuel crossfeed technic caused that crash. 12 miles to the east of my home a judge flying back from Florida in his Cirrus put it into a grove of trees while making an IFR (GPS) approach in heavy fog. Not setting up his autopilot correctly caused this one.
I know that I am not as smart as they were, but my experience and professional training would have kept this from happening. The standards must be higher if you are going to fly passengers, and perhaps single pilot privileges should not be allowed in some of these more complex aircraft. Enough of these senseless deaths!! Remember when they said anyone can fly an airplane. Probably was a selling point for general aviation aircraft.
One of my early videos was about the crash with the Judge. Tragic. Sounded like he was a great guy. But he definitely was to blame for the crash.
@@flyingformoney777 I read the report on this one and kept it simple with my explanation on how it happened. You are correct he was a good guy. Had a carpenter do work on my house and he had gotten into trouble with too many DUIs and was sentenced to prison by this judge. That judge upon learning that the carpenters son was dying from cancer reduced the sentence to where he would not have to go to prison. He now has a successful business, minus a son.
The scary part is they are at an airport near you.
Ive seen them, ive met them.
The same guys when im waiting for my instructor were turning their nose up at the rest of us walking to their 2024 turboprop.
Same guys who end up going straight through a house, ditching in the sea (if they survive) or causing a ground collision.
Usually with those idiots your survival is not guaranteed. Their ego and pride gets in the way on the ground, in the air, on the runway and on the taxiway.
They are above taking flying seriously like potential commercials, instructors and any A&P worth his salt. Theyll be the first to puff up over the bill a repair station gives them. The first to lecture a instructor how hes smarter. The first to look down on other students. Beware the signs, look for them. These people kill others.
They may be the goodest guy, a nobel prize winner with a charity to boot. But being good doesnt mean you arent stupid, ignorant or egotistical.
Dig your writings.
Thanks for that!
Private pilots in the USA obviously can get an instrument rating with far too little training.
Many European civil aviation authorities are reluctant to validate FAA pilot's licences. The required standard is definitely below those generally required in Europe
Your narrative style is so good I have to rewind to catch all the nuances. So good. I think you were being nice in your generalization. I would say beware of Rich white men with powerful planes. I looked at so many crashes and it's almost all rich older white men.
Can't remember the source, but recently I heard somebody comment something like "if you can afford to buy, fly and maintain a plane like a PC12, you can afford to pay a CFI to fly with you".
Also, in this analysis every PC12 accident resulting in fatality has been a single pilot operation th-cam.com/video/NpqBJ5xNqFg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v0MvYlfH9J9-YNnT.
The overwhelming majority of CFIs would be way over their head in a PC12.
We have quite a performance gap in aviation these days. Wizards in 172s, and then a handful of guys who are wizards in airliners and fighters…the chasm in between is vast, and it wasn’t always that way.
The only aircraft accident investigation channel that makes us pensive.
From a previous video…
NTSB: hypoxia, CFIT.
FfM : sure and “There is an evil that I have seen under the sun, and it lies heavy on mankind: a man to whom God gives wealth, possessions, and honor, so that he lacks nothing of all that he desires, yet God does not give him power to enjoy them,”. Did you just quote Solomon in an accident investigation?
I couldn’t subscribe fast enough.
Well done as usual.