“Beware of rich men with turbines. If they have a three million dollar aircraft, they’re very good at something. Don’t bet your life it’s airmanship.” Man, you have a way with truth and words. Thanks for the video.
The SD crash is even more nuts. The airport manager was at the airport plowing, trying to keep up with the heavy snow. He told them not to go, and they even had an option to stay another night at the hunting lodge. Money might buy you a pilatus, but can't buy good judgement, common sense or skill.
I heard quite a bit about this one. But I didn't know the CG was so far aft. More passengers than seats, what is this New York city transit ? Get there itis at its finest. I can afford a toy Pilatus that's about it. But I would never put my passengers at risk by departing in weather like that. Where did they have to be that couldn't wait ? I think even the big airlines delay flights when the weather is that bad. Hey I'm not saying I never made bad decisions or mistakes. But c'mon. I'm not flying in that crap. Not even driving. The passengers should have objected too.
I'd say money usually buys you poor judgement because you end up surrounding yourself in a cult of wealth and exposing you to feckless yes-men who treat you like you're god.
I’m my experience the quality’s that make a good business man make a dangerous and deadly pilot. I know several that are now dead because they know more than everyone else and nobody is going to tell them what they can or cannot do!
I knew a FBO who had a Bonanza dealership. He told corporate he would no longer sell aircraft to doctors and teach them to fly the aircraft. He no longer wanted to see them kill themselves and their whole family. He gave up his dealership.
That was 9:53 of brutal and accurate honesty. In this litigious and opinionated world people think they can argue with physics and the POH. They can't. Thanks for telling it straight - one of your best yet.
Never heard that before. Makes sense though. The person that's always taking the extra precautions instead of getting complacent tends to survive more often than not I guess.
I'll say it again: Your descriptions and commentary are incomparable and your delivery is truly poetic. I've heard the detailed reports that Juan (Blancolirio) does on these same incidents, and he is great at detail and facts, but your incorporation of background details and articulation are uniquely poignant and a welcome take on a tough subject. Your prose is exemplary as always, Thank You!
'I've lost my autopilot'..We hear the call to ATC far too often. That's not an emergency. It's not even something worth sharing..If you notice that the AP has failed and your reaction is likely to be anything other than 'So What?' .. you shouldn't be flying IMC. The second accident here requires no comment at all.
@@Vejitasei No ! absolutely not ! Unless the operation requires that by law the pilot must have a functioning AP. Anyone operating in IMC otherwise should be capable of operating that aircraft without an AP.. and operating it perfectly well and safely.. if not then stay away from operating at night or in IMC. An AP is simply an aid to relieve the workload.. Anyone dependent on an AP to keep them alive needs additional training and experience. Electronics will fail. ATC is not there to fly your aircraft.
@jamesgraham6122 in order to flight above FL190 with RVSM an AP is required, and the failure of the AP must be reported to ATC. However, I 100% agree thar AP failure should not raualt in an emergency or lost of control of the aircraft
I appreciate you speaking about adult issues with straight forward to the point analysis and contempt for the stupidity of these pilots.. So many TH-camr’s dance around the hard truth in an effort to soften tone for fear of hurting feelings.. I say the dead have no feelings and the survivor’s family knows the truth already.. Call a spade a spade and maybe we have less spades to talk about..
@@darthheretic129Well I guess I appreciate Hoover trying to not offend pilots and families or overly critize pilot's mistakes. He throws in his disclaimers clearly. Also I guess he doesn't want backlash from certain people. Which is I guess in contrast to this guy who gets bluntly straight to the point. Hey I watch both of their videos with an open mind, hear what they have to say, take what I can from it. But the fact that someone takes the time to reflect on these mistakes in some kinda way might help a pilot to avoid them in the future. However they choose to go about doing that. But also as a passenger we should know who we should and shouldn't fly with. Lot of good points here, Hoover too.
Disagree. This guy is trying way to hard to get on AGT or is just trying out his stand-up if he ever gets a chance. Witty is one thing but when you feel effort, it's no longer humorous
@@darthheretic129 Hoover runs rings around this guy. Hoover is for pilots and his analysis shows it. This guy is just trying to be funny and he's trying way to hard!
@@andrebello4191 I like both. Hoover gives a good military debrief. Here, if nothing else, expresses the frustration and, to a extent, the anger I feel when pilots don't take piloting seriously. We are part of a elite group and should be held to a higher standard.
This might be one of your best videos yet. Great narration and flow. I like how you are straight forward and make your thoughts and points very clear. I’m a new CFI trying to learn more about the industry. Thanks for the work you do.
“A pilot with an instrument rating is a pilot who has received enough training to know when to stay on the ground”, Bob Stevens. But what good is all that training without discipline?
On what planet is it ever a good decision to either plan on or agree to having 11 people in a 9 seater aircraft. I mean the mere thought is patently ludicrous. Who could possibly think riding unsecured in the aisle was at all a smart decision?? The idiocy is both abundant and stupefying.
Old freight dog here. An airplane is an equal opportunity killer. Ignorance is curable, but stupidity is terminal. Just because they can afford stuff like this, they certainly can afford an old boy like me to make things safer. But it’s like trying to fix stupid. Great Video!
I used to be a Porsche Club of America driving instructor. We had lots of rich tech bros back in the heyday of Microsoft. They all ran out and bought the most powerful Porsche they could find, thinking that their success as coders made the great drivers. It didn't.
Should have mentioned how the airport manager was continually telling those guys that they are crazy and should not go - yet they kept dismissing him. We have that phone footage because the airport manager knew something bad was going to happen. If someone is pulling out their phone to record you doing something... stop and try to figure out why.
that's just hubris. That's how "real pilots" end up in NTSB reports because they think that they are better than everyone else. In reality - flying is a very simple skill, what differentiates a good pilot from the bad is not that, it's the diligence in staying current and proficient, good planning and knowledge of one's own minimums.
@@YaroslavNechaev ... you've just described a very non-simple skill , requiring a lot of time and effort and brainspace , exactly defining a real pilot
Well that's a sobering and accurate assessment. I recently retired from a 40 year aviator career - 7 years USAF and 33 commercial. Everything I ever flew I was extensively trained on and methodically confidant and hopefully competent. I have no desire to fly GA because it's what you don't know that you don't know that will kill you and anyone with you.
Love the way you tell it straight. Ego and arrogance kills. Get thereitus call it what you will. You just can't beat stupid however wealthy you are. The fact that the passengers always put their trust in these individuals always amazes me. To kill yourself is one thing but friends and family? So needless and sad😢
Perfectly said! knew a few details about this accident but learned from you what really happened. I Fly the Pilatus professionally so I was familiar with all you said about the plane. Thanks!
I got my PPL in 1994 and by 1997 was into a Mooney 252. My last airplane was a 1985 King Air C90A. It was fun. It is a lot of responsibility and money. I had the opportunity to fly the PC12 left seat along the way. It's a wonderful airplane.
I don't understand audiences. With clear honest information prese🎉 in an unapologetic way, this channel should be a major influence in the aviation community. It should be right up there with Jaun and Hoover. I have heard it said if one approaches truth, do so cautiously. Godspeed my brave man, may your channel grow to the numbers it should, hundreds of thousands of Subscribers. As many as there are with pilot licenses in thier wallets,as what you ,Jaun, Hoover , and Dan Gryder want is to see these people spend many more Thanksgivings together, even if it means outing cold hard truths!❤❤❤
Elegant and blunt poetry of reality! Much to learn! Thank you! Dan Gryder can't match your elegant use of language but he is also fighting to keep pilots alive. Two wings of the same life saving bluebird.
That last accident: I wouldn't drive a car in those conditions. And all those folks piling in for the ride. Hubris on the pilot's part, some might say. I wonder if in the run up to the flight, with all his activity and conditions (seemingly) worsening, I wonder: was he afraid? I'd guess he was, in which case there is something more than hubris at play. As usual, nice writing, Dan.
Flying an airplane in those conditions is wildly easier for a pro than driving a car. In W&B, Type I & IV and that pc-12 would have had no issue. I've flown in lots of conditions I almost can't drive to the airport in, but because of the support structure and capability of the aircraft, it's no issue at all to fly in.
Most of these pilots only held a Private Pilot license and were flying single pilot. I fly the PC-12 professionally and can say that flying a single engine turboprop can be a handful for one pilot, even a pro.
In the olden days we used to call expensive high performance private planes doctor killers. They had the skills to save people,, made money, possibly a god complex but the airplanes would kill them due to more bravado than skill.
Biting, cynical and unfortunately very truthful. We need more blunt reality checks in this snowflake mentality world where people are too afraid to offend someone. Keep up the good work!
Pilatus is just the new doctor killer to replace the Bonanza. Flying in IMC really should be reserved for the pros. If your only time spent in the aircraft is a semi-annual vacation, you have no business flying it. Just pay someone else who will get you there safely.
If you mean part 121 and most part 135, that is correct. That however, has nothing to do with single pilot part 91. Flying IFR in an approved single engine plane with a competent pilot is done millions of times per year without accident or incident. However, both the plane and pilot need to be competent; and often the accidents that are reported are due to (frequently gross) lack of ability of the pilot. That's also true for professional pilots in accidents.
Every commercial pilot worth anything at all can fly whatever they are current and rated in by themselves. They're a waste of space if they cannot. The second pilot is an ease of workload, to catch errors, etc. But they are NOT a crutch for poor airmanship.
@@z987k - Not really. Large turbojet aircraft are designed to be flown by two competent pilots. Yes, it can be done if necessary, but with significantly reduced safety margins. Case in point: I’m rated on and flew the B-747-400. Could I have gotten it safely on the ground single pilot (when I was current in the type)? Yes, I absolutely believe so - but it would be a handful, if for no other reason than the fact that many of the systems were far less automated than the MD-11 (which I’m also rated on and have flown). Doable? Yes, but managing the systems could become a distraction, particularly in a busy ATC environment. The second pilot is more than just a backup.
@@bradcrosier1332 I'm a current PIC on a 747. I'm quite aware of how a crew environment works. You should be able to single pilot whatever you are rated in, provided there's no major non-normals. If you're really new to the airplane and still holding onto the tail, that's one thing, but until you aren't the other pilot is almost defacto single pilot anyways. If there is any question whatsoever as to the safe outcome of the flight if one of the pilots(assuming just 2) becomes incapacitated, the other pilot isn't really competent enough to be sitting there. I know we put people in the seat all the time that aren't ready to be there in this industry. We shouldn't. But the economics of spending enough time on them to get them where they need to be before we endanger the public dictates that we put them out there anyways and just hope for the best.
This may be the best video about flying I’ve ever seen. You are on the mark. I’d like to add that none of these “pilots” seem to have a basic understanding of general physics, either. Time, and time again I see accidents where “pilots” further stall their planes by attempting a turn back to the runway with a loss of power. This is unbelievable. Never turn an airplane if you lack the ability to maintain your airspeed - you will drop like a rock. Keep it pointed downfield and find somewhere to put it down. Tragic.
Well done! You gotta talk about rich people with jets next, start with the WAY over V1 abort at Falcon Field in Mesa. Low experience PPL owner driving this one.
Can't remember the source, but recently I heard somebody comment something like "if you can afford to buy, fly and maintain a plane like a PC12, you can afford to pay a CFI to fly with you". Also, in this analysis every PC12 accident resulting in fatality has been a single pilot operation th-cam.com/video/NpqBJ5xNqFg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v0MvYlfH9J9-YNnT.
@@flyingformoney777 It's your choice of words and phrasing that captivates. It creates a conveyance of unambiguous and explicit truth. It humanizes the event. *Challenger crash in Truckee might be an interesting one. Cockpit drama...
Great video. I can't help but think that a certain kind of privilege sometimes plays into the hazardous attitude realm. Does it fall under invincibility? Anti-authority? Macho? I'm sure you're looking at the recent Catalina Island crash claiming 5 lives. Not rich. No turbine. But Larry the Pilatus driver: (the former cop, firearms company owner, and chairman of the board for department of corrections in Georgia)? I'm guessing this guy didn't take criticism well, and probably often used the phrase: "Do you know who I am"?
@7:09 should be "wings stop producing lift at a HIGHER airspeed..." By the way, I'm a business owner and I fly a turboprop twin. While I don't regard myself as a rich man, many would, I suppose. Don't paint with too broad a brush. I do simulator training twice per year for my model, stay current, use checklists, understand my airplane, and fly conservatively.
Why only use the Daher TBM as the sample crashing aircraft. You had a PC12 in one frame early on but changed it toTBM. Could you describe the proper transitional aircraft to go thru B4 graduating to a TBM turbo?
They were all TBM. (Only the live video was of a Pilatus). There are no PC-12 options for Microsoft Flight Sim. It’s not about proper aircraft transition as much as recognizing personal limitations and maintaining proficiency.
Not to quibble, but there's a lotta rich men with turbines still flying, and flying safely. Those of us who don't have a lot of money tend to distrust/dislike those who do have a lot of it, but that doesn't mean that if you're not rich you must be immune to stupid errors. Unfortunately, there are a lot of TH-cam aviation fans who will think exactly that. Which is too bad. What killed these guys wasn't their money... it was their lack of commitment to training, currency, proficiency in their aviation avocation. In his very good book "The Killing Zone", aviation writer Paul A. Craig identifies the characteristics of pilots, or "pilot personality" traits, that make us different from the general population. These same traits tend to be found in successful entrepreneurs. But they're also found in pilots who aren't very successful in life, too. Being poor is not a guarantee that you won't kill yourself and your passengers because you failed to commit to excellence in piloting. I encourage every pilot to read Paul Craig's book early in their training career... if I ran the FAA, I'd make it mandatory training for every new private pilot.
Obviously being poor doesn’t make someone a good pilot, just like being rich. But only the rich dude can afford more that he knows how to fly. I do agree that there are plenty of rich folks who take flying seriously and do it well.
Crash #2 is a great example of a pilot who relies on the automation and has poor hand flying skills. Crash #3: this guy tried for the record of how many things wrong can I do. The airport people have all that video because they were smart enough to see a crash coming.
Actor Clint Eastwood: A man's gotta know his limits. Loved the introduction, I've also seen kids of rich men do stupid life ending chyte with daddy's $$$.
The only aircraft accident investigation channel that makes us pensive. From a previous video… NTSB: hypoxia, CFIT. FfM : sure and “There is an evil that I have seen under the sun, and it lies heavy on mankind: a man to whom God gives wealth, possessions, and honor, so that he lacks nothing of all that he desires, yet God does not give him power to enjoy them,”. Did you just quote Solomon in an accident investigation? I couldn’t subscribe fast enough. Well done as usual.
This has been going on since anyone with enough money can become a pilot and fly anything. Example, recently a famous actor landing his aircraft on a taxiway at KLAX! I live in the Midwest and 70 miles to the SW of my home a doctor killed everyone except one while making an approach in his light twin in IFR conditions. Poor fuel crossfeed technic caused that crash. 12 miles to the east of my home a judge flying back from Florida in his Cirrus put it into a grove of trees while making an IFR (GPS) approach in heavy fog. Not setting up his autopilot correctly caused this one. I know that I am not as smart as they were, but my experience and professional training would have kept this from happening. The standards must be higher if you are going to fly passengers, and perhaps single pilot privileges should not be allowed in some of these more complex aircraft. Enough of these senseless deaths!! Remember when they said anyone can fly an airplane. Probably was a selling point for general aviation aircraft.
@@flyingformoney777 I read the report on this one and kept it simple with my explanation on how it happened. You are correct he was a good guy. Had a carpenter do work on my house and he had gotten into trouble with too many DUIs and was sentenced to prison by this judge. That judge upon learning that the carpenters son was dying from cancer reduced the sentence to where he would not have to go to prison. He now has a successful business, minus a son.
MOST EXCELLENT narration about deadly counters with mortality. Avoid Rich Men With Turbines has replaced Avoid Rich Men With V Tails at the top of the stupidity list.
#2. Flying in icing conditions with the autopilot on, until it can't handle the trim changes from the ice. Fly manual and he would noticed it was time to go et out of the icing until it was a level that the airplane could handle.
You always want to align your perceptions with reality. When you don't have the time to fly professionally then it is time to sell the plane. I always said if I ever won the lottery and could afford a plane like these that I would have a professional pilot on board that hates me. Some old grizzled military pilot that flies it by the numbers and doesn't care who I am or where I or my passengers "need" to get to!
I don’t think we should teach pilots visual and instrument flight separately: teach beginning visual and instrument for private, then advanced instrument for the instrument rating. Private pilots are supposed to stay out of the clouds, but when they make a mistake, should the penalty be death? It is crucial that a private pilot trust his instruments and know how to use them in situations, no matter the cause, where the pilot loses sight of the terrain.
07:10. In icing conditions, don’t the wing stall at a higher airspeed? Not a lower airspeed. Ice destroys all four factors of the basic aviation equation. It adds weight, increases drag, decrease thrust, and decreases lift.
If you cannot trust your instruments, your plane is not properly maintained. If your plane is not properly maintained, you have no business taking off to start with.
Proficiency and realistic understanding of one’s abilities are crucial. Before I earned my PPL while I was a student pilot I rode with an experienced pilot on a night flight. Climbing out toward the ocean I was sure I saw the lights of an airplane ahead. It turned out it was a boat, and what I thought was the horizon was the coastline. I fell victim to disorientation and illusion and it’s a good thing I wasn’t the PIC. Ever since then night cross countries are outside my minimums. I know I lack the training and experience to safely fly at night, especially in my coastal area with a lot of black holes. The automation on those big turbine planes makes pilots feel comfortable flying outside their actual proficiency because the plane flies itself. But if you couldn’t hand fly the flight plan you shouldn’t be flying it at all, and maintaining that proficiency requires routinely actually doing some hand flying. The Nelon’s pilot clearly wasn’t doing that.
I honestly believe an IFR rating should be a requirement for night flying. I had a similar experience to you on a night VFR flight years ago. I only survived because I was just off an IFR rating and immediately went on instruments.
The flight of hunters lost 3-4 generations of family just like that & they'd gone to a store to purchase enough alcohol for deicing but it seems that they didn't have a ladder or a way to reach the tail of the plane. I guess they thought that once airborne they could use the plane's de-icing systems but that was not good judgment & to me the picture tells the story, the whole tail is covered heavily. I hope/pray the family/friends have found some solace in this & I'm not a pilot so my opinion here isn't based on education. Mine is a photo of ice & common sense which is easy for me to see from the comfort of this laptop. peace & GB ALL
“Beware of rich men with turbines. If they have a three million dollar aircraft, they’re very good at something. Don’t bet your life it’s airmanship.” Man, you have a way with truth and words. Thanks for the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah it can't be airmanship, nobody makes that kind of money by being good at airmanship...
I can only second, really great wordsmanship :)
Pilatus PC 12 or TBM …. ???
%100 agree with your comment
“the sort of guy that packs 11 people onto an airplane with 9 seatbelts isn’t the type to get tangled in red tape..” that made me chuckle
Thanks for that😁
The SD crash is even more nuts. The airport manager was at the airport plowing, trying to keep up with the heavy snow. He told them not to go, and they even had an option to stay another night at the hunting lodge. Money might buy you a pilatus, but can't buy good judgement, common sense or skill.
It was confounding…
I heard quite a bit about this one. But I didn't know the CG was so far aft. More passengers than seats, what is this New York city transit ? Get there itis at its finest. I can afford a toy Pilatus that's about it. But I would never put my passengers at risk by departing in weather like that. Where did they have to be that couldn't wait ? I think even the big airlines delay flights when the weather is that bad. Hey I'm not saying I never made bad decisions or mistakes. But c'mon. I'm not flying in that crap. Not even driving. The passengers should have objected too.
I'd say money usually buys you poor judgement because you end up surrounding yourself in a cult of wealth and exposing you to feckless yes-men who treat you like you're god.
I’m my experience the quality’s that make a good business man make a dangerous and deadly pilot. I know several that are now dead because they know more than everyone else and nobody is going to tell them what they can or cannot do!
I knew a FBO who had a Bonanza dealership. He told corporate he would no longer sell aircraft to doctors and teach them to fly the aircraft. He no longer wanted to see them kill themselves and their whole family. He gave up his dealership.
That was 9:53 of brutal and accurate honesty. In this litigious and opinionated world people think they can argue with physics and the POH. They can't. Thanks for telling it straight - one of your best yet.
"Only the paranoid survive"- I said that once to my copilot, and he laughed. But I wasn't joking.
Never heard that before. Makes sense though. The person that's always taking the extra precautions instead of getting complacent tends to survive more often than not I guess.
"Paranoia self destroyer". Have vigilance, not paranoia.
Quote by Andrew Grove, founder of Intel, and title of one of his books.
never fly with someone braver than you
I'll say it again: Your descriptions and commentary are incomparable and your delivery is truly poetic. I've heard the detailed reports that Juan (Blancolirio) does on these same incidents, and he is great at detail and facts, but your incorporation of background details and articulation are uniquely poignant and a welcome take on a tough subject. Your prose is exemplary as always, Thank You!
I also watch Blancolirio channel. I like his detailed analysis but I don’t spend the rest of the day thinking about what he said.
'I've lost my autopilot'..We hear the call to ATC far too often. That's not an emergency. It's not even something worth sharing..If you notice that the AP has failed and your reaction is likely to be anything other than 'So What?' .. you shouldn't be flying IMC. The second accident here requires no comment at all.
IF you are above FL190 and flying RVSM you need to report lost of AP. But if should not lead to an emergency.
@@Vejitasei Yes, agreed, but it's simply a notification due to loss of guaranteed separation.. not a warning that you're unable to control the a/c !
@@jamesgraham6122 Agreed! It is NOT an emergency, but something I do need to notify ATC.
Loss of control in IMC is still a huge killer in GA.
@@Vejitasei No ! absolutely not ! Unless the operation requires that by law the pilot must have a functioning AP.
Anyone operating in IMC otherwise should be capable of operating that aircraft without an AP.. and operating it perfectly well and safely.. if not then stay away from operating at night or in IMC. An AP is simply an aid to relieve the workload.. Anyone dependent on an AP to keep them alive needs additional training and experience. Electronics will fail. ATC is not there to fly your aircraft.
@jamesgraham6122 in order to flight above FL190 with RVSM an AP is required, and the failure of the AP must be reported to ATC. However, I 100% agree thar AP failure should not raualt in an emergency or lost of control of the aircraft
I appreciate you speaking about adult issues with straight forward to the point analysis and contempt for the stupidity of these pilots.. So many TH-camr’s dance around the hard truth in an effort to soften tone for fear of hurting feelings.. I say the dead have no feelings and the survivor’s family knows the truth already.. Call a spade a spade and maybe we have less spades to talk about..
Pilot Debrief. Hoover is whining for 3 minutes preceding every video. It’s exhausting and pandering.
@@darthheretic129Well I guess I appreciate Hoover trying to not offend pilots and families or overly critize pilot's mistakes. He throws in his disclaimers clearly. Also I guess he doesn't want backlash from certain people. Which is I guess in contrast to this guy who gets bluntly straight to the point. Hey I watch both of their videos with an open mind, hear what they have to say, take what I can from it. But the fact that someone takes the time to reflect on these mistakes in some kinda way might help a pilot to avoid them in the future. However they choose to go about doing that. But also as a passenger we should know who we should and shouldn't fly with. Lot of good points here, Hoover too.
Disagree. This guy is trying way to hard to get on AGT or is just trying out his stand-up if he ever gets a chance.
Witty is one thing but when you feel effort, it's no longer humorous
@@darthheretic129 Hoover runs rings around this guy. Hoover is for pilots and his analysis shows it. This guy is just trying to be funny and he's trying way to hard!
@@andrebello4191 I like both. Hoover gives a good military debrief. Here, if nothing else, expresses the frustration and, to a extent, the anger I feel when pilots don't take piloting seriously. We are part of a elite group and should be held to a higher standard.
From a professional pilot to another - great videos. You’re a real airman. Keep them coming 🙏🏻
Really proud of these videos, you set a good example for the rest. Cheers
This might be one of your best videos yet. Great narration and flow. I like how you are straight forward and make your thoughts and points very clear. I’m a new CFI trying to learn more about the industry. Thanks for the work you do.
“A pilot with an instrument rating is a pilot who has received enough training to know when to stay on the ground”, Bob Stevens. But what good is all that training without discipline?
On what planet is it ever a good decision to either plan on or agree to having 11 people in a 9 seater aircraft. I mean the mere thought is patently ludicrous. Who could possibly think riding unsecured in the aisle was at all a smart decision?? The idiocy is both abundant and stupefying.
Old freight dog here. An airplane is an equal opportunity killer. Ignorance is curable, but stupidity is terminal. Just because they can afford stuff like this, they certainly can afford an old boy like me to make things safer. But it’s like trying to fix stupid. Great Video!
I love your monologue, I watch your videos multiple times just to listen again
I used to be a Porsche Club of America driving instructor. We had lots of rich tech bros back in the heyday of Microsoft. They all ran out and bought the most powerful Porsche they could find, thinking that their success as coders made the great drivers. It didn't.
Should have mentioned how the airport manager was continually telling those guys that they are crazy and should not go - yet they kept dismissing him. We have that phone footage because the airport manager knew something bad was going to happen. If someone is pulling out their phone to record you doing something... stop and try to figure out why.
Great writing, man. You’ve got a new follower.
smart rich people hire real pilots . because they know one can't be very good at that many things
that's just hubris. That's how "real pilots" end up in NTSB reports because they think that they are better than everyone else. In reality - flying is a very simple skill, what differentiates a good pilot from the bad is not that, it's the diligence in staying current and proficient, good planning and knowledge of one's own minimums.
@@YaroslavNechaev ... you've just described a very non-simple skill , requiring a lot of time and effort and brainspace , exactly defining a real pilot
Glad you covered this one. Well done sir. Sad.
Yes, it is. Thanks for watching.
Again, best on the internet. Thanks for your commentary!!
Another great and well-written video, Stan.
I watch all the aviation TH-cam channels and this is one of my favorite. Please keep making these videos.
Thanks! Appreciated!
Your best one yet. And that's saying something. Nice work.
Well that's a sobering and accurate assessment. I recently retired from a 40 year aviator career - 7 years USAF and 33 commercial. Everything I ever flew I was extensively trained on and methodically confidant and hopefully competent. I have no desire to fly GA because it's what you don't know that you don't know that will kill you and anyone with you.
Love the way you tell it straight. Ego and arrogance kills. Get thereitus call it what you will. You just can't beat stupid however wealthy you are. The fact that the passengers always put their trust in these individuals always amazes me. To kill yourself is one thing but friends and family? So needless and sad😢
Perfectly said! knew a few details about this accident but learned from you what really happened. I Fly the Pilatus professionally so I was familiar with all you said about the plane. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I got my PPL in 1994 and by 1997 was into a Mooney 252. My last airplane was a 1985 King Air C90A. It was fun. It is a lot of responsibility and money. I had the opportunity to fly the PC12 left seat along the way. It's a wonderful airplane.
Your narration is top notch. Very well done! New subscriber! ✌️
I don't understand audiences. With clear honest information prese🎉 in an unapologetic way, this channel should be a major influence in the aviation community. It should be right up there with Jaun and Hoover. I have heard it said if one approaches truth, do so cautiously. Godspeed my brave man, may your channel grow to the numbers it should, hundreds of thousands of Subscribers. As many as there are with pilot licenses in thier wallets,as what you ,Jaun, Hoover , and Dan Gryder want is to see these people spend many more Thanksgivings together, even if it means outing cold hard truths!❤❤❤
Yep, they didn't get rich by being a pilot..
Great presentation, thanks...love your style of commentary, yup - dice with saftey... it'll dice with YOU!!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Rich men destroying the Warbirds community as well.
Elegant and blunt poetry of reality! Much to learn! Thank you! Dan Gryder can't match your elegant use of language but he is also fighting to keep pilots alive. Two wings of the same life saving bluebird.
Saw the same thing teaching scuba
Amazing video thank you
That last accident: I wouldn't drive a car in those conditions. And all those folks piling in for the ride. Hubris on the pilot's part, some might say. I wonder if in the run up to the flight, with all his activity and conditions (seemingly) worsening, I wonder: was he afraid? I'd guess he was, in which case there is something more than hubris at play. As usual, nice writing, Dan.
Flying an airplane in those conditions is wildly easier for a pro than driving a car. In W&B, Type I & IV and that pc-12 would have had no issue.
I've flown in lots of conditions I almost can't drive to the airport in, but because of the support structure and capability of the aircraft, it's no issue at all to fly in.
Passengers dying is the worst. They trust the pilots to keep them alive
Most of these pilots only held a Private Pilot license and were flying single pilot. I fly the PC-12 professionally and can say that flying a single engine turboprop can be a handful for one pilot, even a pro.
Great prose!
Thanks!
In the olden days we used to call expensive high performance private planes doctor killers. They had the skills to save people,, made money, possibly a god complex but the airplanes would kill them due to more bravado than skill.
You have to be careful who you fly with. I've seen plenty of dangerous people doing scary things
Biting, cynical and unfortunately very truthful. We need more blunt reality checks in this snowflake mentality world where people are too afraid to offend someone. Keep up the good work!
Pilatus is just the new doctor killer to replace the Bonanza. Flying in IMC really should be reserved for the pros. If your only time spent in the aircraft is a semi-annual vacation, you have no business flying it. Just pay someone else who will get you there safely.
It is a sad truth.
Most professional commercial pilots don't fly single engine IFR. You're welcome.
If you mean part 121 and most part 135, that is correct. That however, has nothing to do with single pilot part 91. Flying IFR in an approved single engine plane with a competent pilot is done millions of times per year without accident or incident. However, both the plane and pilot need to be competent; and often the accidents that are reported are due to (frequently gross) lack of ability of the pilot. That's also true for professional pilots in accidents.
Every commercial pilot worth anything at all can fly whatever they are current and rated in by themselves. They're a waste of space if they cannot. The second pilot is an ease of workload, to catch errors, etc. But they are NOT a crutch for poor airmanship.
@@z987k - Not really. Large turbojet aircraft are designed to be flown by two competent pilots. Yes, it can be done if necessary, but with significantly reduced safety margins. Case in point: I’m rated on and flew the B-747-400. Could I have gotten it safely on the ground single pilot (when I was current in the type)? Yes, I absolutely believe so - but it would be a handful, if for no other reason than the fact that many of the systems were far less automated than the MD-11 (which I’m also rated on and have flown). Doable? Yes, but managing the systems could become a distraction, particularly in a busy ATC environment. The second pilot is more than just a backup.
@@bradcrosier1332 I'm a current PIC on a 747. I'm quite aware of how a crew environment works. You should be able to single pilot whatever you are rated in, provided there's no major non-normals. If you're really new to the airplane and still holding onto the tail, that's one thing, but until you aren't the other pilot is almost defacto single pilot anyways.
If there is any question whatsoever as to the safe outcome of the flight if one of the pilots(assuming just 2) becomes incapacitated, the other pilot isn't really competent enough to be sitting there.
I know we put people in the seat all the time that aren't ready to be there in this industry. We shouldn't. But the economics of spending enough time on them to get them where they need to be before we endanger the public dictates that we put them out there anyways and just hope for the best.
Egos are so dangerous.
“Larry’s impact on our state will not be forgotten.” Nor will his last impact.
This may be the best video about flying I’ve ever seen. You are on the mark. I’d like to add that none of these “pilots” seem to have a basic understanding of general physics, either. Time, and time again I see accidents where “pilots” further stall their planes by attempting a turn back to the runway with a loss of power. This is unbelievable. Never turn an airplane if you lack the ability to maintain your airspeed - you will drop like a rock. Keep it pointed downfield and find somewhere to put it down.
Tragic.
Well written and spoken. Kudos.
"There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots,”
Well done! You gotta talk about rich people with jets next, start with the WAY over V1 abort at Falcon Field in Mesa. Low experience PPL owner driving this one.
In any type of personal aviation, you will find a situation where the ability to buy exceeds the ability to fly.
Bravo bravo bravo. 👏🏼 Now we just need a good beat and this could become the next musical banger of the year. 🙏🏼
Awareness buys time, time buys options - until it doesn't. Ego and awareness seldom go hand-in-hand.
Can't remember the source, but recently I heard somebody comment something like "if you can afford to buy, fly and maintain a plane like a PC12, you can afford to pay a CFI to fly with you".
Also, in this analysis every PC12 accident resulting in fatality has been a single pilot operation th-cam.com/video/NpqBJ5xNqFg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=v0MvYlfH9J9-YNnT.
Refreshing lack of compromise for people who have absolutely no place commanding an aircraft in those situations.
Along these same lines, check out the final flight of N102PT, 1 Feb, 2008, departing KAUG.
AOPA needs to hire you to start producing and narrating their accident case study series, Stan. This is another banger!
Thanks for that. I’m doing some stuff with Twin and Turbine. Next one will have an article associated with it.
@@flyingformoney777 It's your choice of words and phrasing that captivates. It creates a conveyance of unambiguous and explicit truth. It humanizes the event.
*Challenger crash in Truckee might be an interesting one. Cockpit drama...
Watched this video with my coffee this morning. I'm going to have a good day. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Wasnt the last one taking off on a closed runway and against the advice of the airport manager and still would not listen.
Great video. I can't help but think that a certain kind of privilege sometimes plays into the hazardous attitude realm. Does it fall under invincibility? Anti-authority? Macho? I'm sure you're looking at the recent Catalina Island crash claiming 5 lives. Not rich. No turbine. But Larry the Pilatus driver: (the former cop, firearms company owner, and chairman of the board for department of corrections in Georgia)? I'm guessing this guy didn't take criticism well, and probably often used the phrase:
"Do you know who I am"?
I think the flight you’re talking about is the gospel singers, The Nelons, or at least that was the pilot for that flight.
Typical cop attitude. Low information, yet unjustifiably self confident for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
@7:09 should be "wings stop producing lift at a HIGHER airspeed..." By the way, I'm a business owner and I fly a turboprop twin. While I don't regard myself as a rich man, many would, I suppose. Don't paint with too broad a brush. I do simulator training twice per year for my model, stay current, use checklists, understand my airplane, and fly conservatively.
First the Doctor Killer, then the Geek Killer (Cirrus), now we have the Playboy Killer.
Why only use the Daher TBM as the sample crashing aircraft. You had a PC12 in one frame early on but changed it toTBM. Could you describe the proper transitional aircraft to go thru B4 graduating to a TBM turbo?
They were all TBM. (Only the live video was of a Pilatus). There are no PC-12 options for Microsoft Flight Sim. It’s not about proper aircraft transition as much as recognizing personal limitations and maintaining proficiency.
@flyingformoney777 What would you suggest as the necassary types to be proficient on before even thinking about a e.g. TBM 960
The attitude is: "A million bucks and I can do anything ............... except survive flying my plane!"
Dig your writings.
Thanks for that!
I like you commentary style.
You don't shy away from the foolishness and the irony.
I help all of us, I stopped teaching doctors and Lawyers over 30 yrs ago.
I do not want my name in their log books.
Not to quibble, but there's a lotta rich men with turbines still flying, and flying safely. Those of us who don't have a lot of money tend to distrust/dislike those who do have a lot of it, but that doesn't mean that if you're not rich you must be immune to stupid errors. Unfortunately, there are a lot of TH-cam aviation fans who will think exactly that. Which is too bad. What killed these guys wasn't their money... it was their lack of commitment to training, currency, proficiency in their aviation avocation.
In his very good book "The Killing Zone", aviation writer Paul A. Craig identifies the characteristics of pilots, or "pilot personality" traits, that make us different from the general population. These same traits tend to be found in successful entrepreneurs. But they're also found in pilots who aren't very successful in life, too. Being poor is not a guarantee that you won't kill yourself and your passengers because you failed to commit to excellence in piloting. I encourage every pilot to read Paul Craig's book early in their training career... if I ran the FAA, I'd make it mandatory training for every new private pilot.
Obviously being poor doesn’t make someone a good pilot, just like being rich. But only the rich dude can afford more that he knows how to fly. I do agree that there are plenty of rich folks who take flying seriously and do it well.
It’s not the money it’s the lack of experience with weather and off hand flying. It’s decision making.
Crash #2 is a great example of a pilot who relies on the automation and has poor hand flying skills.
Crash #3: this guy tried for the record of how many things wrong can I do. The airport people have all that video because they were smart enough to see a crash coming.
I taught many that were good at Wordmanship.. And mediocre at Airmanship..
Actor Clint Eastwood: A man's gotta know his limits. Loved the introduction, I've also seen kids of rich men do stupid life ending chyte with daddy's $$$.
The only aircraft accident investigation channel that makes us pensive.
From a previous video…
NTSB: hypoxia, CFIT.
FfM : sure and “There is an evil that I have seen under the sun, and it lies heavy on mankind: a man to whom God gives wealth, possessions, and honor, so that he lacks nothing of all that he desires, yet God does not give him power to enjoy them,”. Did you just quote Solomon in an accident investigation?
I couldn’t subscribe fast enough.
Well done as usual.
This has been going on since anyone with enough money can become a pilot and fly anything. Example, recently a famous actor landing his aircraft on a taxiway at KLAX!
I live in the Midwest and 70 miles to the SW of my home a doctor killed everyone except one while making an approach in his light twin in IFR conditions. Poor fuel crossfeed technic caused that crash. 12 miles to the east of my home a judge flying back from Florida in his Cirrus put it into a grove of trees while making an IFR (GPS) approach in heavy fog. Not setting up his autopilot correctly caused this one.
I know that I am not as smart as they were, but my experience and professional training would have kept this from happening. The standards must be higher if you are going to fly passengers, and perhaps single pilot privileges should not be allowed in some of these more complex aircraft. Enough of these senseless deaths!! Remember when they said anyone can fly an airplane. Probably was a selling point for general aviation aircraft.
One of my early videos was about the crash with the Judge. Tragic. Sounded like he was a great guy. But he definitely was to blame for the crash.
@@flyingformoney777 I read the report on this one and kept it simple with my explanation on how it happened. You are correct he was a good guy. Had a carpenter do work on my house and he had gotten into trouble with too many DUIs and was sentenced to prison by this judge. That judge upon learning that the carpenters son was dying from cancer reduced the sentence to where he would not have to go to prison. He now has a successful business, minus a son.
@7:08 I think you meant to say wings stall at a _higher_ airspeed when in icing conditions
I did.
He probably meant a lower AoA, since wings don't stall at airspeeds.
The TBM is bugging me 😭
There is no PC-12 option for Microsoft Flight sim.
MOST EXCELLENT narration about deadly counters with mortality.
Avoid Rich Men With Turbines has replaced Avoid Rich Men With V Tails at the top of the stupidity list.
don't believe the hype, but ALWAYS believe your instruments
Why are you using a TBM model in the simulations if the discussion is about Pilatus?
No PC-12 available on Microsoft Flight Sim
nice intro
When lives are at stake, cold hard reality should never be skated around or sugar-coated.
#2. Flying in icing conditions with the autopilot on, until it can't handle the trim changes from the ice. Fly manual and he would noticed it was time to go et out of the icing until it was a level that the airplane could handle.
You always want to align your perceptions with reality. When you don't have the time to fly professionally then it is time to sell the plane. I always said if I ever won the lottery and could afford a plane like these that I would have a professional pilot on board that hates me. Some old grizzled military pilot that flies it by the numbers and doesn't care who I am or where I or my passengers "need" to get to!
I used ot be afraid of aircraft malfunctions. But from now on I am afraid of pilot malfubctions.
In our airport we owned in Jersey we had a sign behind the check in counter:
There are No old Bold pilots . Says it all
Piston-powered aircraft are even more fatal.
I don’t think we should teach pilots visual and instrument flight separately: teach beginning visual and instrument for private, then advanced instrument for the instrument rating. Private pilots are supposed to stay out of the clouds, but when they make a mistake, should the penalty be death? It is crucial that a private pilot trust his instruments and know how to use them in situations, no matter the cause, where the pilot loses sight of the terrain.
07:10. In icing conditions, don’t the wing stall at a higher airspeed? Not a lower airspeed.
Ice destroys all four factors of the basic aviation equation. It adds weight, increases drag, decrease thrust, and decreases lift.
Yep. Misspoke. Lower AOA, higher airspeed.
Need to correct mistake at 7:10. Wings stop producing lift at a higher speed and higher AOA - not slower. Good video, nevertheless.
You’re right. I miswrote it. To be fair, you did too. Lower AOA is correct for icing conditions. Higher speed, lower AOA😁
@@flyingformoney777 Good stuff! 😎
Wings can stall at any airspeed by exceeding the Critical Angle of Attack.
If you cannot trust your instruments, your plane is not properly maintained. If your plane is not properly maintained, you have no business taking off to start with.
Similar to Folks crashing their Ferraris in parking Garages. Good Tech, Bad Choices.
Poetic. Does that mean that rich men are dumber than the rest of us? Sure sounds like it.
What's so hard about keep heading, airspeed, altitude and making sure the artificial horizon is straight ... Sounds easy to me.
The accident record and the failed checkride record over the last 50 yrs prove you to be a bit daft.
Proficiency and realistic understanding of one’s abilities are crucial. Before I earned my PPL while I was a student pilot I rode with an experienced pilot on a night flight. Climbing out toward the ocean I was sure I saw the lights of an airplane ahead. It turned out it was a boat, and what I thought was the horizon was the coastline. I fell victim to disorientation and illusion and it’s a good thing I wasn’t the PIC. Ever since then night cross countries are outside my minimums. I know I lack the training and experience to safely fly at night, especially in my coastal area with a lot of black holes.
The automation on those big turbine planes makes pilots feel comfortable flying outside their actual proficiency because the plane flies itself. But if you couldn’t hand fly the flight plan you shouldn’t be flying it at all, and maintaining that proficiency requires routinely actually doing some hand flying. The Nelon’s pilot clearly wasn’t doing that.
I honestly believe an IFR rating should be a requirement for night flying. I had a similar experience to you on a night VFR flight years ago. I only survived because I was just off an IFR rating and immediately went on instruments.
You ain't wrong...
Too much confusion jumping from one story to the next.
Thank you, very well put. All three planes would be alive if they hired a professional pilot! VS idiots!
Check Marshfield Wi 2009, similar story
The flight of hunters lost 3-4 generations of family just like that & they'd gone to a store to purchase enough alcohol for deicing but
it seems that they didn't have a ladder or a way to reach the tail of the plane. I guess they thought that once airborne they could use
the plane's de-icing systems but that was not good judgment & to me the picture tells the story, the whole tail is covered heavily.
I hope/pray the family/friends have found some solace in this & I'm not a pilot so my opinion here isn't based on education. Mine
is a photo of ice & common sense which is easy for me to see from the comfort of this laptop. peace & GB ALL