Getting a 10% ROI in stocks is considered a good return. (Maybe even decent?) If someone on Wall Street doubles their money in 3 years, they would consider that an amazing investment. Some of these booster boxes were Sub 90 dollars at one point. Even though I think some of these booster boxes are way too expensive, you cannot deny that whey were good investments.
If they sell they're more you spend the more likely it becomes that you will be SITTING on excess stock for a while. People need to invest more realistically i wouldn't ever buy more than 50 of any box. The amount of people that bought over 100 of JP 151 are insane, it's going to take years to find those buyers and unless your rich or have a lot of storage space if just isn't realistic too hold on to all that.
Sorry man. Disagree on the sealed product side. If I can beat 10% realized rate of return per year, it's a good investment. This has absolutely been the case with most sealed booster boxes over a 3 year period... Many much higher than that.
If you think moonbreon has reached it's ceiling then give it two years and let's which ages worse. My comment or this video. Full disclosure, I'm not invested in this card but I'm not daft. And as to the point on booster boxes, it's all about percentage gains. Boosters are a safe investment and all sets (to varying degrees) go up after they go out of rotation. The usual cycle for a booster box is 2-5 years.
Same here and I think we had the same video around that time too about how it wasn't going any further and boom it doubles 😂 following this trend it will reach the same levels as wizards sets in due time.
Listen I'm sorry but I've seen this 100 times. Every time any set goes out of print the prices spike and level out so its still worth investing in them
The squirtle promo was not actually free if you consider that the 151 upc was available at other game stores for much less than msrp. Also it is much harder to guess which promo will do well vs buying booster boxes from each set
To mention booster boxes such as Chilling Reign only netting you an extra 100 odd over 3 years is disingenious. You're not considering the initial amount paid and return ratio. Any other investing instrument with those returns would be outstanding. Even after selling fees and postage making a minimum of 50% on top of what you paid is great, Imagine sticking 10,000 in a savings account and after 3 years the amount in there is 15,000 and thinking that was bad.
A thing alpt of investors don't consider is also SELLING 10k worth of product. Shit is not easy and it takes time. Really only booster boxes strictly pack products move. Tins, collections etc. All struggle to move in bulk. A few here and there sure but sitting on 1000 eeveelution promo boxes is going to be a bit of struggle to get through
I think anything going up $200 a year is impressive. Whether Pokémon cards or stocks. Lots of other sets are continuing to grow, and if you think multiples here… $200 per year x 6 (a case) is $1200 a year for doing nothing. Investing in sealed is always a return if you buy at a low typically 6m - 1yr after release
Bought 7 booster boxes of ES for around $150 Canadian ($110 USD?) They are now closing in on $950 Canadian. I've 6x my initial cost and it's "only" been 3 years. I only wish I bought more.
The only major investment I've made is traded in with a shop. Traded in £200 of spare cards I had in folders, for a serial set of PSA 10 Japanese Charmander evolution line from 151 😊 love them
The core of the argument stands and makes sense: more unique, more rare, best condition. Like what I believe smpratte has said for so long, older, rarer, minty-er. But, as everyone is saying here, booster boxes do make sense to hold on to. For me, even with a townhouse and basement, I’m not going to take up room in my house for boxes and boxes of sealed boosters. Everything has a cost. I’m honestly interested in what the hoarders are using for their storage space, and what it costs them
The PC edition crown zenith and 151 etb have been my best buys. the rate they are going and how hard they was to get i see them as a sure bet even buying them at current price.
A lot of salty and bad takes in these comments. Wossy isn't saying ES was a bad investment in general, just that the window for that investment has passed and investing in it NOW versus when it came out is a bad idea. He is also saying that while ES was a good investment option, current or even past sets are not pulling anywhere near the same numbers as ES and would not yield the kinds of returns ES enjoyed. He is right in saying that people's focus on just collecting cases upon cases of booster boxes and etb's isn't going to be where the money's at. But I suppose we could just let the fools keep chasing the low hanging fruit while the real catch goes to those who would enjoy it more anyway.
60% on your chilling reign box in 3 years is outpacing most traditional investments. Also the most liquid sealed item there is remembering that you have to actually sell to make your money. Enjoyed your commentary voice 😂 but this isn’t good investment advice good luck trying to liquidate a bunch of niche cards when there’s no demand left for them. I’ll put my money on the Charizard ex outperforming the pc Squirtle on % gains and bet I’d sell it faster than the Squirtle too. Don’t get caught being stuck with stacks of niche cards or collection boxes. Invest in what everyone wants and get in at the best price once they come down after initial release. But yeah. Promos like the felt hat I agree are not a good investment. Make your own decisions and do your own research
Ah, but cards like the Van Gogh Pikachu (and Special Delivery Pikachu/Zard/Bidoof, etc.) were almost or totally free, so the fact that they are selling for amounts like $90 (or quite a bit more in the case of the SDB) makes it a pretty good "investment." Assuming that someone did not pay market price for them, of course...
I see what you mean. I believe a lot of people are reading it as shouldnt have invested into evolving skies or moonbreon where youre saying it as it might be too late NOW to jump in and try invest in it
I had the great luck to have pulled a Gold Star Umbreon strait from a POP pack on my birthday many moons ago. It now sits safely tucked away in my bank vault 😅
Only invest in sealed product. Never “ invest” in singles. lol also for the love of god never take investing advice from this channel my god. Isn’t this dude like a business teacher or something those poor students.
Thanks to your AWESOME advice I got myself a Moon Umbreon at a decent price! A long while ago now, but I am still super appreciative! Love your videos!!
Thankfully, there aren't people on TH-cam who hype cards and sets on release or people who tell you how absurdly awesome cards are, when they're quite ordinary. 👍
Can’t tell if you genuinely don’t know whether making $200 a year off an initial $140 investment is good or not? A 10% return in the stock market is seen as being good 😂
evolving skies returns are "crazy good" and not just "decent". what other investments would give you that kind of return? even chilling reign is pretty good considering it was available for $90 or even less so that's double in 3 years. the squirtle promo wasn't a no-brainer at that time because you could get the upc for around $100 from other stores at that point. also, it's going to be easier to sell a booster box than a promo card.
Don’t assume my investment! I’m vacuuming an absolutely amazing card at a steal right now and probably won’t stop until it starts going for 5 dollars then I’ll stop and hold and finally dump my supply at like 40-50 in 3 to 5 years fingers crossed. Crazy underpriced promos out there guys good luck.
If evolving skies was a stock and you bought it for 99$ and can sell it for 700$ in 3 years 100 out of 100 investors would do that bro. There are people losing their ass that would beg for that trade.
My piece of advice is: “Never trade in your doubles of special art cards, you never know what will hit so its good to have a spare just in case it does.”
This was actually a pretty bad take. Buying evo skies at $100ish goes to $700 in 3 years is “decent” ?? Yet the 151 promo was the best investment move🤣 did I miss something?
Lost origin still has print life left it was going nuts about a year and a half to 2 years ago but reprint killed it. Give it time It's gunna be right there with evolving skies
Let's say I bought 1000 "shares" of evolving skies BB's for $150,000 in 2021. In 2024, if I can then sell that stock for $700,000 I am on track to retire quite early 😂
Are you like 16? Because you clearly don't understand how much money 150k is if you think it's smart to invest that much into cards unless you already have millions in disposable income, in which case you're already set to retire.
@@arthurfleck4320 I'm 33. I used 150K as a reference point because that's roughly how much I have in my 401K. The scenario I presented isn't a real one. It's an example of what that growth looks like using larger numbers because our friend here didn't feel like a $150 product increasing to $700 in a three year time frame was a great return. I politely disagreed, so I figured I would share the example. Also; why are you being so rude and aggressive? No need for that.
Let's also say these shares can't be sold back to the company. (Because they're not shares they're product.) You know have to find dozens of buyers willing to buy dozens of product. 700$ ES is already a hefty price tag. How are you gonna move 150k worth? You hoping an army of pokerevs buys you out?
Magikarp, Groudon, Tyranitar, Steelix, Raichu... All great investments from scarlet and Violet than have more than doubled in a year. It's not rocket science, just get cards of popular Pokemon that look good. Sorry mate the info in this video is all trash.
Wow, this guy is tripping, does he even know how hard it is to get a 300%+ in investment in 3 years? Go have a look at stocks and even investment in general lol, this has to be trolling!
Normally like your content… this video was bad Imo… hind sight is always 20/20… this just had a bunch of repetitive price checking… no one knows the future…. Also if you have a big enough position in anything. Small chunks add up…
Ya, he’s approaching this in the wrong light. Sure it’s “only $200 per year”, BUT people that are truly investing have most likely got at least 1-3 cases of this stuff. You’re looking at the profit being able to pay for a great used car outright; or alternatively a very solid down payment on a brand new ride (just giving a more tangible example for illustrative purposes). Honestly though, let’s just say we look at it like he is and that the vast majority of people do only have 1-2 BOXES… well, if you’re investing correctly then you’re perfectly fine with not seeing that money for a long long time, so even a “meager” $200/yr is all you see on what you invested, that’s still $600 that you didn’t have! You’d be very hard pressed to find investments pay off like this set has in the vast majority of fields. It just doesn’t happen often. Sure, you gotta sell them, I get it. What he’s not seeing is that within the next 2-5 years, this set will be the new “base set” that people are gonna buy in at $300/pack from influencers. Even if it takes a year to sell them all, it’s not like it takes that much effort to have the listing(s) running, nor packing/shipping. You’re still looking at beaucoup bucks in profit. Even if these don’t move much higher (they will at least 25%) for another 5 years, the investment was a great one either way.
lol mate…. “Decent jump” from 150 to $700?!? Quadruple your money in 3 years is just “decent “ ??? Ageee to disagree
Agreed, 10% compound is "decent". 100% for 3 years on the trot is an incredible investment!
agreed
Agreeing with caveat that you’d have to treat it like stock, 1 bb hmm nothing to write home about but several cases worth 👀 now we’re talking.
Glad I wasn’t the only one to raise an eyebrow to that statement. Also you’re assuming people are buying them at MSRP which I have never done.
120 dollar box not 150
Idk how average returns on investments are over there on the other side of the pond.. but yes.. a 200% -300% gain in value in 3 years is good...
Stick to the tournaments not the investing advice 😅
You're normally pretty spot on in terms of info but this ain't it. Everyone knows not to get hype cards or cards on release
Getting a 10% ROI in stocks is considered a good return. (Maybe even decent?) If someone on Wall Street doubles their money in 3 years, they would consider that an amazing investment. Some of these booster boxes were Sub 90 dollars at one point. Even though I think some of these booster boxes are way too expensive, you cannot deny that whey were good investments.
If they sell they're more you spend the more likely it becomes that you will be SITTING on excess stock for a while. People need to invest more realistically i wouldn't ever buy more than 50 of any box. The amount of people that bought over 100 of JP 151 are insane, it's going to take years to find those buyers and unless your rich or have a lot of storage space if just isn't realistic too hold on to all that.
Sorry man. Disagree on the sealed product side. If I can beat 10% realized rate of return per year, it's a good investment. This has absolutely been the case with most sealed booster boxes over a 3 year period... Many much higher than that.
This is a bad take. I got umbreon and I paid 450 for the card and now you’re telling me it’s worth a 1000. Yeah this is a very bad take respectfully
3 years is nothing
350% ROI is amazing
This video is the short term mindset to a T
You supposedly taught business courses… and you don’t think that passively 2.5-4.5x on your money in 3 years is good?
Just an FYI: It was Law according to the “lore”.
This was a pretty crappy video. Lots of bad advice and info
If you think moonbreon has reached it's ceiling then give it two years and let's which ages worse. My comment or this video. Full disclosure, I'm not invested in this card but I'm not daft. And as to the point on booster boxes, it's all about percentage gains. Boosters are a safe investment and all sets (to varying degrees) go up after they go out of rotation. The usual cycle for a booster box is 2-5 years.
I bought two es booster boxes for 300 each, They have now doubled in less than a year!
Same here and I think we had the same video around that time too about how it wasn't going any further and boom it doubles 😂 following this trend it will reach the same levels as wizards sets in due time.
Listen I'm sorry but I've seen this 100 times. Every time any set goes out of print the prices spike and level out so its still worth investing in them
The squirtle promo was not actually free if you consider that the 151 upc was available at other game stores for much less than msrp. Also it is much harder to guess which promo will do well vs buying booster boxes from each set
To mention booster boxes such as Chilling Reign only netting you an extra 100 odd over 3 years is disingenious. You're not considering the initial amount paid and return ratio. Any other investing instrument with those returns would be outstanding. Even after selling fees and postage making a minimum of 50% on top of what you paid is great, Imagine sticking 10,000 in a savings account and after 3 years the amount in there is 15,000 and thinking that was bad.
A thing alpt of investors don't consider is also SELLING 10k worth of product. Shit is not easy and it takes time. Really only booster boxes strictly pack products move. Tins, collections etc. All struggle to move in bulk. A few here and there sure but sitting on 1000 eeveelution promo boxes is going to be a bit of struggle to get through
@@nickcarballo6039buddy you're being too literal. Take a break from youtube
The assumption that "investors" are buying booster boxes at msrp and not looking for deals is wild 😅
Glad I got the Iono cards, even the promo from the Premium Tournament collection, before she'll eventually skyrocket in price in the coming years.
151 is the only set currently with the same potential
So glad I bought the Moonbreon for $168 back in 2021!
I think anything going up $200 a year is impressive. Whether Pokémon cards or stocks. Lots of other sets are continuing to grow, and if you think multiples here… $200 per year x 6 (a case) is $1200 a year for doing nothing. Investing in sealed is always a return if you buy at a low typically 6m - 1yr after release
Bought 7 booster boxes of ES for around $150 Canadian ($110 USD?) They are now closing in on $950 Canadian. I've 6x my initial cost and it's "only" been 3 years. I only wish I bought more.
The only major investment I've made is traded in with a shop. Traded in £200 of spare cards I had in folders, for a serial set of PSA 10 Japanese Charmander evolution line from 151 😊 love them
The core of the argument stands and makes sense: more unique, more rare, best condition. Like what I believe smpratte has said for so long, older, rarer, minty-er. But, as everyone is saying here, booster boxes do make sense to hold on to. For me, even with a townhouse and basement, I’m not going to take up room in my house for boxes and boxes of sealed boosters. Everything has a cost. I’m honestly interested in what the hoarders are using for their storage space, and what it costs them
The PC edition crown zenith and 151 etb have been my best buys. the rate they are going and how hard they was to get i see them as a sure bet even buying them at current price.
A lot of salty and bad takes in these comments. Wossy isn't saying ES was a bad investment in general, just that the window for that investment has passed and investing in it NOW versus when it came out is a bad idea. He is also saying that while ES was a good investment option, current or even past sets are not pulling anywhere near the same numbers as ES and would not yield the kinds of returns ES enjoyed. He is right in saying that people's focus on just collecting cases upon cases of booster boxes and etb's isn't going to be where the money's at. But I suppose we could just let the fools keep chasing the low hanging fruit while the real catch goes to those who would enjoy it more anyway.
I’m waiting for someone to leave there Moonbreon unattended. Lol
Brought my moonbreon for £90. Hard to beleive now i almost didn't buy it thinking it was expensive.
60% on your chilling reign box in 3 years is outpacing most traditional investments. Also the most liquid sealed item there is remembering that you have to actually sell to make your money. Enjoyed your commentary voice 😂 but this isn’t good investment advice good luck trying to liquidate a bunch of niche cards when there’s no demand left for them. I’ll put my money on the Charizard ex outperforming the pc Squirtle on % gains and bet I’d sell it faster than the Squirtle too. Don’t get caught being stuck with stacks of niche cards or collection boxes. Invest in what everyone wants and get in at the best price once they come down after initial release. But yeah. Promos like the felt hat I agree are not a good investment. Make your own decisions and do your own research
Ah, but cards like the Van Gogh Pikachu (and Special Delivery Pikachu/Zard/Bidoof, etc.) were almost or totally free, so the fact that they are selling for amounts like $90 (or quite a bit more in the case of the SDB) makes it a pretty good "investment." Assuming that someone did not pay market price for them, of course...
I see what you mean. I believe a lot of people are reading it as shouldnt have invested into evolving skies or moonbreon where youre saying it as it might be too late NOW to jump in and try invest in it
I had the great luck to have pulled a Gold Star Umbreon strait from a POP pack on my birthday many moons ago. It now sits safely tucked away in my bank vault 😅
I rather but gold at this point i gave up on pokemon cards as investment in 2003 if i really like it ill buy it
Only invest in sealed product. Never “ invest” in singles. lol also for the love of god never take investing advice from this channel my god. Isn’t this dude like a business teacher or something those poor students.
Moonbreon: the Bitcoin of Pokemon cards.
NFT you can hold for real. Curious to see how it ages.. holdin out for better or worse it’s a beauty card anyways.
@@rhylechner525 I settled for the alt art V - I like it better anyway. I’ll probably never have a Moonbreon.
Hahahaha not wrong
Thanks to your AWESOME advice I got myself a Moon Umbreon at a decent price! A long while ago now, but I am still super appreciative! Love your videos!!
The answer is yes, that is good, to get a near 5x return on your money in 3 years. Percentages > dollars.
Thankfully, there aren't people on TH-cam who hype cards and sets on release or people who tell you how absurdly awesome cards are, when they're quite ordinary. 👍
Can’t tell if you genuinely don’t know whether making $200 a year off an initial $140 investment is good or not? A 10% return in the stock market is seen as being good 😂
I was thinking the same! I'll take a $200 return per year anyday
evolving skies returns are "crazy good" and not just "decent". what other investments would give you that kind of return? even chilling reign is pretty good considering it was available for $90 or even less so that's double in 3 years. the squirtle promo wasn't a no-brainer at that time because you could get the upc for around $100 from other stores at that point. also, it's going to be easier to sell a booster box than a promo card.
Don’t assume my investment! I’m vacuuming an absolutely amazing card at a steal right now and probably won’t stop until it starts going for 5 dollars then I’ll stop and hold and finally dump my supply at like 40-50 in 3 to 5 years fingers crossed. Crazy underpriced promos out there guys good luck.
The master battle set was easy to get when it dropped. Nobody jumped on it. Now they’re up there.
If evolving skies was a stock and you bought it for 99$ and can sell it for 700$ in 3 years 100 out of 100 investors would do that bro. There are people losing their ass that would beg for that trade.
The more and more I keep watching this the more and more I feel terrible for anyone who takes any of this advice. I’m so sorry for your losses
Put your money in a high yield savings account and compare that to the return on 3 years… yeah, I think it’s a great return
Any cards you enjoy is not the wrong card
Blaziken Vmax Secret rare from chilling reigns has jumped latetly in price
Just saw a gamingbible video and heard your voice…. Never seen your face, but immediately knew it was you 😂 at least I think…. “Justice for proigon?”
Going from 150 to 700 in 3 years isnt good enough?? Dude, do you realize how slow MOST investments are?
Great video!!!😊
I was on the NAIC livestream and saw this notification and clicked on it haha
I'm new to the pokèmoning I love Promos ❤️ can't get enough of them.
I'm glad I picked up the 25th anni box and didn't open it.
My piece of advice is: “Never trade in your doubles of special art cards, you never know what will hit so its good to have a spare just in case it does.”
Unless you want to master sets… otherwise sure.
This was actually a pretty bad take. Buying evo skies at $100ish goes to $700 in 3 years is “decent” ?? Yet the 151 promo was the best investment move🤣 did I miss something?
I got my lost origin box for $155 6 months ago and it’s gone up a decent bit since then
Lost origin still has print life left it was going nuts about a year and a half to 2 years ago but reprint killed it. Give it time It's gunna be right there with evolving skies
I am willing to bet a lot of people that cried in the comments own these products XD
Let's say I bought 1000 "shares" of evolving skies BB's for $150,000 in 2021. In 2024, if I can then sell that stock for $700,000 I am on track to retire quite early 😂
Are you like 16? Because you clearly don't understand how much money 150k is if you think it's smart to invest that much into cards unless you already have millions in disposable income, in which case you're already set to retire.
@@arthurfleck4320 I'm 33. I used 150K as a reference point because that's roughly how much I have in my 401K.
The scenario I presented isn't a real one. It's an example of what that growth looks like using larger numbers because our friend here didn't feel like a $150 product increasing to $700 in a three year time frame was a great return. I politely disagreed, so I figured I would share the example.
Also; why are you being so rude and aggressive? No need for that.
Let's also say these shares can't be sold back to the company. (Because they're not shares they're product.) You know have to find dozens of buyers willing to buy dozens of product. 700$ ES is already a hefty price tag. How are you gonna move 150k worth? You hoping an army of pokerevs buys you out?
@nickcarballo6039 this guy's obviously a high school kid with no concept of money.
@@arthurfleck4320
That guy's literally 90% of the Pokemon investing subreddit 💀
Yeah. I’m not getting this take. It’s a better return than the Stock Market or Real Estate. I think you’ve missed the mark here mate.
Cards in general are bad investments at this point. Over 100k card investment influencers. That's peak greed, we're close to the top.
In waiting for the bubble to pop and then I'll strike team rocket and maybe a bit of the dragon set is all I'll get this year
This is comical. There are plenty of modern cards and sealed products performing well in terms of investment gain.
Still can’t believe I actually pulled that Umbreon alt. Never have I shit my pants so quickly.
Magikarp, Groudon, Tyranitar, Steelix, Raichu... All great investments from scarlet and Violet than have more than doubled in a year.
It's not rocket science, just get cards of popular Pokemon that look good.
Sorry mate the info in this video is all trash.
Have to pay attention to %gain. Love your content but really misses there.
I think your supposed business acumen has rotted if you're saying these are bad.
Clueless
A 400% return in 3 years and your questions if that’s good LOL
Superb.
Wow, this guy is tripping, does he even know how hard it is to get a 300%+ in investment in 3 years? Go have a look at stocks and even investment in general lol, this has to be trolling!
Good points
Bro I like your channel but stay away from the investment advice. It’s shocking 😅
Investors don’t buy booster boxes at $150 on launch, it’s much more subtle than that
I've sent you a message on Twitter about persona 3 weiss
Normally like your content… this video was bad Imo… hind sight is always 20/20… this just had a bunch of repetitive price checking… no one knows the future…. Also if you have a big enough position in anything. Small chunks add up…
braindead take on evolving skies, acting like a 300-400% gain over 3 years with very low risk is bad/u can only buy 1 box
bad takes.
The people commenting "everything to the moon!!!" on this video are the same people who put money into Metazoo.
As of now, you are the lone commenter who has typed that. How's your MetaZoo investment?
Clearly no idea what you're talking about.. wow
Looking at the amount of profit rather than the %increase is a rookie move
Ya, he’s approaching this in the wrong light. Sure it’s “only $200 per year”, BUT people that are truly investing have most likely got at least 1-3 cases of this stuff.
You’re looking at the profit being able to pay for a great used car outright; or alternatively a very solid down payment on a brand new ride (just giving a more tangible example for illustrative purposes).
Honestly though, let’s just say we look at it like he is and that the vast majority of people do only have 1-2 BOXES… well, if you’re investing correctly then you’re perfectly fine with not seeing that money for a long long time, so even a “meager” $200/yr is all you see on what you invested, that’s still $600 that you didn’t have!
You’d be very hard pressed to find investments pay off like this set has in the vast majority of fields. It just doesn’t happen often.
Sure, you gotta sell them, I get it. What he’s not seeing is that within the next 2-5 years, this set will be the new “base set” that people are gonna buy in at $300/pack from influencers. Even if it takes a year to sell them all, it’s not like it takes that much effort to have the listing(s) running, nor packing/shipping. You’re still looking at beaucoup bucks in profit.
Even if these don’t move much higher (they will at least 25%) for another 5 years, the investment was a great one either way.
This video was a 🥵🗑️🔥
Investing advice from somebody who still uses the term “scalper” in 2024. Lol
What are they called in 2024?
@@plattyppus Hegde funds manager's 😂😂
Sounds like you're a scalper and he hurt your feelings 🤣
@@arthurfleck4320 nope not at all. I’ve been a subscriber for 2+ years lol.
This is horrible 😂
Hmmmm
I paid 19 bucks for my moonbreon
Hahaha wow so absolutely awful takes here
Solid advice
Yeah my man is out of his realm. Stick to your TCG videos. 🫡