I still can't believe someone on the dev team looked at the Noir Longcoat and said "sure, for the second dye channel we *could* make it so they can alter the super prominent red inner lining of the coat, but you know what would be even better? Letting them change the tie's color, so that it can clash super hard if they dye it anything other than red, white, or black. :D"
I somehow knew you were gonna say the tattoo on the japanese-inspired glam item and while it sucks that the tattoo doesnt change color, i do still like that the obi (a japanese belt used to keep a kimono tied up properly) changes color when dyed as obis can have very different colors and look really pretty. if i were square enix id have the tattoo change alongside the rest of it, best of both worlds imo
It honestly feels like the way they made dye channels is to find the next texture channel in a piece of equipment and make it dyeable, and like (this is me being a massive simp for ff14) it might be that different texture channels are interlinked so if you dyed it, it would accidentally dye some other part too which is why they went for shit like the buttons? Idk all i know is that on some pieces its amazing and on others its like wtf were they doing?
"You guys know I don't like wearing pants" -Aitherea 2024 Seriously tho, thx for this vid, I had been anticipating it since your last one. Really agree with your choices, especially the ones obtainable in-game cause those are amongst my favourites (aside from the pants, but their choice for the 2nd channel definitely makes no sense. On a final note, I really liked your rant section, especially the part on the Faerie Tale skirts, with your character's reactions and everything!
Totally agree with the fairytale skirt and pvp tech stuff. I totally expected those to get 2nd channel Im havent actually thought about which bits would dye but I live the Eden gears so Id love to see those get another channel. Especially edengrace!
The one I am most disappointed in is the Educand's Sailor Skirt: They FINALLY make a cute skirt with proper tights available for all classes, but instead of making the second dye channel the tights (like you'd THINK would be the logical choice), the second dye channel is two barely visible buttons on the waistband that end up getting covered by like 90% of the tops available in the game... Like seriously! Of course this falls under your whole rant in the second glamour, which I agree with 100%. IMO, it's a bit more egregious in the Educand's Sailor Skirt's case, since you have to pay ACTUAL MONEY for that set.
I came from a game called Mabinogi, old game, but we could dye every part, everything you see on the outfit. They're moving it on real engine 5 right now and are working to make the dye system even better, so I'm surprised that something can be moved to unreal engine 5 and easily retain all parts being dyable but 14 owned by a richer company can't. Also, the housing layouts need to be redone, they are ancient and unpopular, people always have to cover everything, they make furniture for it, instead of fixing it as a whole. Now when i walk up to my house i see 2 floors, but when i go in, i have no up stairs, so dumb.
One piece I think should have a second dye channel is the Ureaus Skirt. It looks so cool and sexy on my Au Ra's Viper and Black Mage glams, but it only has one channel, and the stripes on it stay white. Give it another channel on for the stripes, and it would look way more cooler.
For me, it's the DRK shadowbringers Relic armor, more specifically, the foot gear and the body armor. Would have preferred to dye the badge with the tassel red.
The I think it's called Hannish Wool or something top. I wanted the corset to dye separately, or to match with the base colour you dye the shirt itself bc I hate the like gray over dyed-colour of the corset as it stands and instead they made the second dye channel there be the like... trim?
The one I'm disappointed in is my favorite: the cape of happiness. ;A; I don't super love how the undershirt changes color too, because now we can't have the 2nd channel be the undershirt. I think that's why they can't change that, because its color is already linked to the first dye channel.
With the PVP tech gear, I didn't even think about using it until I got to Solution Nine. I was more focused on the Tuliyolal Summer Vacation vibe with my glams. But towards the end of DT after the Vanguard Dungeon, I used the glams from Vanguard.
The Wake Doctor's set in the cash shop, specifically the chest piece 2nd dye channel is the neckerchief when it should be the sort of under shirt. I'm kind of disappointed since it is cash set item. I hope they revisit all gear.
Makes me really miss GW2's 4 dye channels. So many of these examples would be amazing with 3-4 dye channels. Something like the draped top would have the shirt, belt, scarf, and scarf accent all on their own channels and would be so much more versatile.
I would love the elemental armor sets to get a second dye channel. It wouldn't even have to change the glows they have should you choose to upgrade them, just the trim for the armor is all i'd want if square gave us that. But the glow changing would be radical. Square please!
I wanted to see the gear from Aglia with two dye channels. At first I commented about the metal parts, but those are the dyeable parts we have now. But I would love to be able to dye the cloth parts as well.
That's the one I was hoping for the most since I use it so often, but to match the current metal parts better I have to dye my arms/legs/head pieces Snow White because it (usually) makes said pieces silvery to match the metal plates (while dyeing the Light Steel set its self Snow White only changes the color of the leather parts). While I *do* like the way it works for some glams, I also wish I could change the metal plates on it because some arms/legs/head pieces look better in other colors but immediately clash with said silvery metal plates, and simply changing the leather parts on the Light Steel set isn't enough in those cases.
I agree with the thavnairian tights and appointed jacket and southern seas skirt and fat cat loungerwear. I am neutral with the dalmascan top complaint cause of the reality of how hard it is to dye leather. I strongly disagree with this complaint of the yakaku dogi dye options. Instead of wanting the tattoo change, why was the whole belt / sash not able to change dyes? All the other complaints sound like personal preferences and makes me wonder those are in the majority.
i don't know if som already talked about it but one of the thing that make that most of the Gear 2-dye challenge are on some really small details is cuz they actually DIDN'T put any ressource on them ! like some gear had two different texture indexes most of the time metallic part or accent different that's why so many gear that have two really clear different part that could be dyed isn't ! that's cuz initially these part was in the same dyable area ! if you look closely lot of the gear that are actually dyable now are on thing that weren't actually modifed when dying ! what they've done technically is : - if the gear had dye and if there was an area not in the "dye" indexes then put it as the second dye index so that's why most gear don't have a good second dye !! it's cuz they didn't actual done any work on them
I have to agree with just about everything! There's SOOO many pieces where they missed the opportunities with the 2 dye channels. There's even a number of pieces where they could have one part with the main color being dye channel 1 with the accents being dye channel 2 that also has a second part where you could flip them so that the main part of the 2nd piece is dye channel 2 with it's accents being dye channel one. I really hope SE pays attention to vids like this to see where they could have/should have done better!
I hope, I really hope they're working on it. I wont be surprised they'll add more double dyes on other pieces, which is expected, but I really hope they will put a second toughts on few specific items. I can understand that the mindset when they built those pieces before had no "double dye" in mind but what i'm surprised is that Endwalker pieces, the inside team should have known that it was a feature coming up and they could anticipated it, but some pieces are weirdly dyed ! Oh well. I'm glad i'm not alone on the boat. Thanks for the video Aitherea
I disagree regarding the Thavnarian bottoms. The set as a whole dedicating the second channel to the metallic elements means a bit of Aldegoat brown dye makes it match perfectly with the trim of the Moonward Veil of Scouting. The one that disappointed me most is how the second channel on the Leonhart Bottoms merely changes the buckle color on the thigh belts and not the belts themselves. Maybe they’ll grace us with a third dye channel in some eight or so years.
They should NOT have rushed this graphics update out the door alongside an expansion. They cut corners, didn’t give their all to every detail, and still ended up having to promise that they’ll finish it in parts. Now we’re suck with this in-between and disappointing state of things.
I would guess they didn't want to adjust the existing dye channels and only add a new one for the second because they probably thought that players would be upset if they had glams that got affected by the change.... but respectfully I think that was the wrong decision. Having part of the main(first) dye channel just become a different shade of the main dye has always sucked imo
It's because none of it was 'on purpose' They didn't look at the fringe and the button on the pants and say "yep that's our dye channel 2, ship it" they literally just went through and "enabled" whatever the 2nd dye channel happened to be hardcoded as. There was no thought put into what it would be, it's just literally the default 2nd thing
My theory on why the pvp gear is the way it is, is because they haven't cooked up the 2 dye system when those were made, I point your attention to each set has two versions and where one version dyes the main color, the other version will have that main color as a neutral one (black or whitesh) and dye the other thing. Ex: the poofy pants with the straps, one is Grey with dyeable straps, the other dyes the pants with Grey straps. It clearly shows these were a "what if we had two dyes" concept and out of fear that these dyed what the player didn't like, they gave us two versions of the same set.
@@sladevalen after you beat endwalker there is a chain of yellow side quests that result in you getting it. Not difficult just out of the way and obscure
glam 8 absolutely kills me! what a missed opportunity. also the sophist's bottoms (idk what they're called) has a skirt with leggings beneath. and they made the stitches dyable. oof...
You said you “Just don’t get why they put resources into the second dye channels the way that they did.” And while I *totally* feel you with a lot of these pieces. Based on what I’ve seen regarding how item layering works (like in the background of the game) they almost certainly did NOT go through and change these items manually. Most likely, they just checked a box that says, whatever the second layer *happens to be* has approval to be dyed. No previously dyeable segments would count, and depending on what order the layers are in for each gear piece you *would* end up with some weird segments. All this to say, we have *thousands* of gear pieces in this game. To manually go through *each individual piece* and pick channels? That was never going to happen. We probably wouldn’t have gotten this feature at all if they couldn’t make it more or less automatic. It would simply take too many resources. In fact I was shocked when DT launched, how many old pieces were given two channels! I thought for sure we would get smaller amounts to start. But the more I look at how the system works, the more sure I am that the reason the new channels, are how they function, is because they did *not* do any of them manually. That doesn’t mean they *couldn’t* go back and adjust stuff if there is high demand for specific items, if they wanted to! But this whole process was probably done with very little specificity and only went through Quality Assurance to make sure nothing was *bugged,* rather than whether the dye channels made sense. A lot of the items have silly second channels, but a lot of them also have *amazing* new channels! For me, part of the fun of glamour is working with what we have. Taking those little unchangeable quirks and making them shine! Obviously not everyone feels that way. But I feel like understanding it all from a more *technical* perspective makes it easier when I see a dye channel and go “Oh, that’s it?”
I wonder if they they ran into some spaghetti code on older items. I know some shown were not older items, but I do wonder if there were limitations based on how it was coded, or designed. Good vid though. there are def pieces i was disappointed w/ on the dual dye channels.
the crazy thing about the faerie tie princess set, the skirt has one dye channel but the gloves in the same set has two. and yes, the gloves and skirt have the same accent aesthetic, so, it just makes it confusing???? my gloves have accents that can be dyed and they will ALWAYS look metallic but my skirt can't even have that same treatment??? this just further proves how the textures must be the basis for the dye channels because some of the choices for the 2nd dye channel hinge on that common malice or incompetence scale.
In regards to why everything that could have two channels isn't, they have stated that all entended gear should be done by 7.4 patch, so it's a matter of waiting. But as for all the bad dye choices, it's been an annoyance across regions, and you KNOW it's awful when JP won't shoo it away. I hope they listen and go back, even if I know that it'll push things back more as previously dyed spaces need to be rewritten as their own path.
Having the metal accents on a piece turn gold for seemingly no reason has been a thing for a long time. It's why I've never used the level 60 Astro set for glams. I'm assuming it's some weird bug they haven't figured out and probably haven't tried to. The poor choices on what can be dyed in many of the pieces that have the feature so far just makes me want them to go ahead and add a third dye option.
The Cashmere Slops were heartbreaking. Undyed, they have this fringe running down the outside of the leg that ends in a leather fringe. The main channel has always dyed them, so the expectation was that the second one would set them free, but instead it just dyes the belt ;_;
Dw Aitherea girliepop nation will descend upon the square enix offices to make these changes🙏 But seriously the two dye system is great but..yeah I definitely had some issues with it esp when i got gunbreaker to 100 and realized i couldnt change the mismatched red on the job outfit despite loving the design its just so close and kinda disappointing.
I assume the clothes are separate by parts and the button and the rest of the pants are the only separated parts of that clothing, so they just have to write one code for every game object. Its a very low effort way of handling this I also guess future items will be designed to work better with this code an possibly they edit the old items at some point but tbh they make certain decisions that I think are bad or low effort and never correct them, I actually only started modding my game because when I looked at my feet before the Graphical update they looked like a piece of wood... that made me upset so I started modding my game to have a different body model / textures and I had toes ! No more wood feet! Then they did the Graphical update YEARS LATER and now we got toes so... they maybe just need many years to do anything x_x also I am not into toes I just feel like if your character looks like a wooden block its not immersive and I just kept thinking about it once I seen it
I believe the biggest reason is, they wanted the existing dyed items to stay as close to same as possible, so existing glams did not break. This means first channel dyed, nothing on second has to stay same after adding the second channel. I wish they'd have just ripped the bandaid, and said "sorry, some old glams will break, re-dye them with the new system"
I wonder if they had some kind of tool that lets them know what glams are being worn the most and that influenced what older pieces they decided to go back and add two dye channels to.
I think they used more of an algorithm which looked for old pieces which are made at least out of two IDs and if there is a second one it got a second dye. Like the first glam in the video probably has like ID 1 = panties, ID2 = the metal parts and ID 3 = the straps. The tool only sees the first two IDs and make them dyeable. They probably can go and change it manually per gear piece but that would mean someone from the design team looks over every single piece and that would need time.
Truthfully the dyes could be a bit better more like 3 dye channels would be great. Like 2 examples im giving just based on my character. The bohemian coat and wake doctors coat. I think 3 dye channels would be great so i can change the inside of the shirt not just the coat and its accessories on the coat. Just my opinion
Biggest 2 Dye Fail: Mr. Rokkon Kimono. So many options they could have chose. What did they choose? 1 little strip of lining that you can't even notice unless you gpose, pause all motion zoom in 200% :( Biggest Why only 1 dye fail: The Ophitauroskin set (and I believe it's the Chondrite set that uses the same model): One of the legit best looking sets in the entire game with two versions they could have altered to make at least of them double dyeable but, nope, still stuck with that ugly brown leather corset that keeps the top from matching almost anything else in the game. Biggest Why still not dye-able fail: The Pahlthan set. Not everyone's cup of tea but absolutely one of the most interesting and unique sets in the game, but it's still not dyeable. The biggest kick in the teeth though? They actually did go out of their way to give us a new recolour of that set in the level 91 dungeon... but that one isn't dyeable either despite being put into the game after the double dye system was implemented (and the new version isn't even single colour dyeable either) . >:(
If you want another really bad one, take a look at Augmented Gallant Surcoat. The 2nd dye channel dyes almost nothing whereas the first dye channel dyes almost everything and makes it look fugly.
The way they implemented the 2nd dye channel was by literally just flipping a flag and enabling it on the 2nd material associated with the gear piece with no curation. The first material will look good because that’s the one the gear was made knowing it would dye, while the 2nd could be anything. This can be confirmed by using plugins that enable multiple dye channel.
The thing with the two dye channels is that they didn't exactly go into each piece and choose what was gonnabe dieable. What they did was they inserted the program string for 2 dye channels on the pieces, but the code decides what's gonna be dyeable based on materials. So a piece is all fabric and has little metal details? The second dye channel will be the little metal details. I know it's really annoying, and I got disappointed as well with a lot of pieces, but when we see it as the program choosing it based on material, it makes a lot of sense. I think probably the devs didn't predict some of the pieces would be such an absolute disappointment. Hopefully this is fixable and we'll get a patch for those bad pieces in the near future
The Educand's Sailor Skirt is THE WORST 2nd DYE CHANNEL! I bet you can't even find it without zooming in and searching. I would rather they not have given it a 2nd channel, at least that wouldn't have been such an insult.
I love your videossss, I'm excited to see this one, lol, let's see if folks complain about you being disappointed with something in the game when they could just touch grass, lol. also, sadly a lot of the dye channels are so disappointing, tbh.
@@alchemi8085 Yep ! Instanced, to be precise, it's like the Private Island, but with an interior you can customize like in FFXIV (and BDTH if you know it). And a huge terrain you can explore aswell.
i would say so since all the mainline ff games are integrated like storylines or natural parts of the world and will only be seen as a reference for those who played the original games. I've barely played ff games and all the references go over my had but the devs still make it an enjoyable time and story for the new ff fan. also these can cause to to try out new ff games if the specific storyline's aesthetic is your style. a lot of the story is also just plain new to the ff franchise so you wont totally be missing on those ff references and callbacks.
My disappointment came when i found out that female and male version of the same outfit dont share the same dye channels...like the Eastern Togi...on girls version get to change the metal dragon. On the boys version, just the belt...
I’m disappointed with the Ishgardian Gown. It starts with two different colors but only dyes to one which is not fun when you want to keep the two tone style of the dress
They are probably gonna have to go through each piece of equipment and manually swap out dye channels on each model to ever fix this stuff so it’s good to have videos like this to let the devs know what to prioritize!
@@4NSW3RM3 ahaha i see. Well, i think it can be fun to talk about things like this that are, at the end of the day, so low stakes c: if we're gonna be negative at least it's about something that hardly matters so it's not like it's ruining our lives xD
Showing all these makes me wonder if they actually put in effort. Like maybe they used AI to decide what the second dye channel was, and all the effort that was put in by a human was just the coding
Idk why you keep using the term "thoughtful" instead of just saying you don't like it. I agree on some of these opinionwise, but I think they probably put a lot of thought into the hundreds of hours it takes to reconfigure how the textures re-color. These all make sense to me, even if I don't personally like how they look.
also you're basically preaching and hoping over nothing, if you notice alot of the best outfits in the game that have the best dyeable channels are the mogstation outfits.
The adventuring sweater killed me. I wanted to dye the scarf seperately so bad since it came out. Instead it was a little piece of string.
same
Ugh same. I love the adventuring sweater.
The solution is clear... 5 dye channels
Nah that's too little
We need 10 dye channels
They already have 4 channels. They just didn't choose to allow them all.
That's not unreasonable. GW2 has up to 3 channels, and BDO goes up to 8 (with more dyes too, including texture-altering dyes)
@@verypurply And they have RGB dyeing as well.
@@verypurply I haven't played GW2 in a while but I'm fairly sure some pieces go up to 4
I still can't believe someone on the dev team looked at the Noir Longcoat and said "sure, for the second dye channel we *could* make it so they can alter the super prominent red inner lining of the coat, but you know what would be even better? Letting them change the tie's color, so that it can clash super hard if they dye it anything other than red, white, or black. :D"
So glad you are talking about this. Some of the dye channels don't even make sense. Keep it up queen.
I somehow knew you were gonna say the tattoo on the japanese-inspired glam item and while it sucks that the tattoo doesnt change color, i do still like that the obi (a japanese belt used to keep a kimono tied up properly) changes color when dyed as obis can have very different colors and look really pretty. if i were square enix id have the tattoo change alongside the rest of it, best of both worlds imo
It honestly feels like the way they made dye channels is to find the next texture channel in a piece of equipment and make it dyeable, and like (this is me being a massive simp for ff14) it might be that different texture channels are interlinked so if you dyed it, it would accidentally dye some other part too which is why they went for shit like the buttons? Idk all i know is that on some pieces its amazing and on others its like wtf were they doing?
on some pieces its everything you ever dreamed of and more, and then on others its like "the 2nd dye channel is 2 stitches of thread" xD
"You guys know I don't like wearing pants" -Aitherea 2024
Seriously tho, thx for this vid, I had been anticipating it since your last one.
Really agree with your choices, especially the ones obtainable in-game cause those are amongst my favourites (aside from the pants, but their choice for the 2nd channel definitely makes no sense.
On a final note, I really liked your rant section, especially the part on the Faerie Tale skirts, with your character's reactions and everything!
Totally agree with the fairytale skirt and pvp tech stuff. I totally expected those to get 2nd channel
Im havent actually thought about which bits would dye but I live the Eden gears so Id love to see those get another channel. Especially edengrace!
The one I am most disappointed in is the Educand's Sailor Skirt: They FINALLY make a cute skirt with proper tights available for all classes, but instead of making the second dye channel the tights (like you'd THINK would be the logical choice), the second dye channel is two barely visible buttons on the waistband that end up getting covered by like 90% of the tops available in the game... Like seriously! Of course this falls under your whole rant in the second glamour, which I agree with 100%. IMO, it's a bit more egregious in the Educand's Sailor Skirt's case, since you have to pay ACTUAL MONEY for that set.
Ahh i do not have this skirt so I didn't know it was such a bad one!
The appointed jacket 2nd dye was so disappointing for me. I use this as my top for my crafting glam so im constantly reminded by it all the time
I came from a game called Mabinogi, old game, but we could dye every part, everything you see on the outfit. They're moving it on real engine 5 right now and are working to make the dye system even better, so I'm surprised that something can be moved to unreal engine 5 and easily retain all parts being dyable but 14 owned by a richer company can't. Also, the housing layouts need to be redone, they are ancient and unpopular, people always have to cover everything, they make furniture for it, instead of fixing it as a whole. Now when i walk up to my house i see 2 floors, but when i go in, i have no up stairs, so dumb.
The way the yukata dyes just hurt my soul since it’s my favorite top. I really wanted to change the tattoo color :(
One piece I think should have a second dye channel is the Ureaus Skirt. It looks so cool and sexy on my Au Ra's Viper and Black Mage glams, but it only has one channel, and the stripes on it stay white. Give it another channel on for the stripes, and it would look way more cooler.
Ai my beloved ❤ i was dye-ing to see you cover this!
For me, it's the DRK shadowbringers Relic armor, more specifically, the foot gear and the body armor. Would have preferred to dye the badge with the tassel red.
The I think it's called Hannish Wool or something top. I wanted the corset to dye separately, or to match with the base colour you dye the shirt itself bc I hate the like gray over dyed-colour of the corset as it stands and instead they made the second dye channel there be the like... trim?
i had previously used the hannish wool top and omg YES. when I test dyed it, I was like "huh.....?" it caused me to stop using the shirt from then on.
The one I'm disappointed in is my favorite: the cape of happiness. ;A; I don't super love how the undershirt changes color too, because now we can't have the 2nd channel be the undershirt. I think that's why they can't change that, because its color is already linked to the first dye channel.
With the PVP tech gear, I didn't even think about using it until I got to Solution Nine. I was more focused on the Tuliyolal Summer Vacation vibe with my glams. But towards the end of DT after the Vanguard Dungeon, I used the glams from Vanguard.
The Wake Doctor's set in the cash shop, specifically the chest piece 2nd dye channel is the neckerchief when it should be the sort of under shirt. I'm kind of disappointed since it is cash set item. I hope they revisit all gear.
Makes me really miss GW2's 4 dye channels. So many of these examples would be amazing with 3-4 dye channels. Something like the draped top would have the shirt, belt, scarf, and scarf accent all on their own channels and would be so much more versatile.
I would love the elemental armor sets to get a second dye channel. It wouldn't even have to change the glows they have should you choose to upgrade them, just the trim for the armor is all i'd want if square gave us that. But the glow changing would be radical. Square please!
I wanted to see the gear from Aglia with two dye channels. At first I commented about the metal parts, but those are the dyeable parts we have now. But I would love to be able to dye the cloth parts as well.
The Light Steel set needs a second dye channel for the metal bits IMO
That's the one I was hoping for the most since I use it so often, but to match the current metal parts better I have to dye my arms/legs/head pieces Snow White because it (usually) makes said pieces silvery to match the metal plates (while dyeing the Light Steel set its self Snow White only changes the color of the leather parts).
While I *do* like the way it works for some glams, I also wish I could change the metal plates on it because some arms/legs/head pieces look better in other colors but immediately clash with said silvery metal plates, and simply changing the leather parts on the Light Steel set isn't enough in those cases.
I agree with the thavnairian tights and appointed jacket and southern seas skirt and fat cat loungerwear.
I am neutral with the dalmascan top complaint cause of the reality of how hard it is to dye leather.
I strongly disagree with this complaint of the yakaku dogi dye options. Instead of wanting the tattoo change, why was the whole belt / sash not able to change dyes?
All the other complaints sound like personal preferences and makes me wonder those are in the majority.
i don't know if som already talked about it but one of the thing that make that most of the Gear 2-dye challenge are on some really small details is cuz they actually DIDN'T put any ressource on them !
like some gear had two different texture indexes most of the time metallic part or accent different
that's why so many gear that have two really clear different part that could be dyed isn't ! that's cuz initially these part was in the same dyable area !
if you look closely lot of the gear that are actually dyable now are on thing that weren't actually modifed when dying !
what they've done technically is :
- if the gear had dye and if there was an area not in the "dye" indexes then put it as the second dye index
so that's why most gear don't have a good second dye !! it's cuz they didn't actual done any work on them
I dont usually wear pants...
I have to agree with just about everything! There's SOOO many pieces where they missed the opportunities with the 2 dye channels. There's even a number of pieces where they could have one part with the main color being dye channel 1 with the accents being dye channel 2 that also has a second part where you could flip them so that the main part of the 2nd piece is dye channel 2 with it's accents being dye channel one. I really hope SE pays attention to vids like this to see where they could have/should have done better!
I hope, I really hope they're working on it. I wont be surprised they'll add more double dyes on other pieces, which is expected, but I really hope they will put a second toughts on few specific items. I can understand that the mindset when they built those pieces before had no "double dye" in mind but what i'm surprised is that Endwalker pieces, the inside team should have known that it was a feature coming up and they could anticipated it, but some pieces are weirdly dyed ! Oh well. I'm glad i'm not alone on the boat. Thanks for the video Aitherea
I hope they'll add dye to gear of previous dungeons.. like Heroes Gauntlet gear
I disagree regarding the Thavnarian bottoms. The set as a whole dedicating the second channel to the metallic elements means a bit of Aldegoat brown dye makes it match perfectly with the trim of the Moonward Veil of Scouting. The one that disappointed me most is how the second channel on the Leonhart Bottoms merely changes the buckle color on the thigh belts and not the belts themselves. Maybe they’ll grace us with a third dye channel in some eight or so years.
“you guys know I dont usually wear pants”
And I love you more for that
The grunts at the CU3 art deparrtment phoned in the work for the dye channels for quantity, not quality.
They didn’t even give us quantity.
They should NOT have rushed this graphics update out the door alongside an expansion. They cut corners, didn’t give their all to every detail, and still ended up having to promise that they’ll finish it in parts. Now we’re suck with this in-between and disappointing state of things.
I would guess they didn't want to adjust the existing dye channels and only add a new one for the second because they probably thought that players would be upset if they had glams that got affected by the change.... but respectfully I think that was the wrong decision. Having part of the main(first) dye channel just become a different shade of the main dye has always sucked imo
That wouldn't even have made previous glams not work since you then just dye those parts back to what they would be before the change.
It's because none of it was 'on purpose'
They didn't look at the fringe and the button on the pants and say "yep that's our dye channel 2, ship it" they literally just went through and "enabled" whatever the 2nd dye channel happened to be hardcoded as. There was no thought put into what it would be, it's just literally the default 2nd thing
this is the only reasonable explanation because most of the dyes actually make no sense lmao
My theory on why the pvp gear is the way it is, is because they haven't cooked up the 2 dye system when those were made, I point your attention to each set has two versions and where one version dyes the main color, the other version will have that main color as a neutral one (black or whitesh) and dye the other thing.
Ex: the poofy pants with the straps, one is Grey with dyeable straps, the other dyes the pants with Grey straps.
It clearly shows these were a "what if we had two dyes" concept and out of fear that these dyed what the player didn't like, they gave us two versions of the same set.
Yakaku dogi is such a great piece honestly it needs like 5 dye channels
Is it obnoxious to get your hands on it? It looks neat but I don't know how to get it
@@sladevalen after you beat endwalker there is a chain of yellow side quests that result in you getting it. Not difficult just out of the way and obscure
@@csrjjsmp oh that's not so bad! I just finished dawntrail so I can go get this tonight. Thanks for the info!
glam 8 absolutely kills me! what a missed opportunity. also the sophist's bottoms (idk what they're called) has a skirt with leggings beneath. and they made the stitches dyable. oof...
You said you “Just don’t get why they put resources into the second dye channels the way that they did.”
And while I *totally* feel you with a lot of these pieces. Based on what I’ve seen regarding how item layering works (like in the background of the game) they almost certainly did NOT go through and change these items manually. Most likely, they just checked a box that says, whatever the second layer *happens to be* has approval to be dyed. No previously dyeable segments would count, and depending on what order the layers are in for each gear piece you *would* end up with some weird segments.
All this to say, we have *thousands* of gear pieces in this game. To manually go through *each individual piece* and pick channels? That was never going to happen. We probably wouldn’t have gotten this feature at all if they couldn’t make it more or less automatic. It would simply take too many resources. In fact I was shocked when DT launched, how many old pieces were given two channels! I thought for sure we would get smaller amounts to start.
But the more I look at how the system works, the more sure I am that the reason the new channels, are how they function, is because they did *not* do any of them manually.
That doesn’t mean they *couldn’t* go back and adjust stuff if there is high demand for specific items, if they wanted to! But this whole process was probably done with very little specificity and only went through Quality Assurance to make sure nothing was *bugged,* rather than whether the dye channels made sense.
A lot of the items have silly second channels, but a lot of them also have *amazing* new channels! For me, part of the fun of glamour is working with what we have. Taking those little unchangeable quirks and making them shine! Obviously not everyone feels that way. But I feel like understanding it all from a more *technical* perspective makes it easier when I see a dye channel and go “Oh, that’s it?”
I wonder if they they ran into some spaghetti code on older items. I know some shown were not older items, but I do wonder if there were limitations based on how it was coded, or designed. Good vid though. there are def pieces i was disappointed w/ on the dual dye channels.
the crazy thing about the faerie tie princess set, the skirt has one dye channel but the gloves in the same set has two. and yes, the gloves and skirt have the same accent aesthetic, so, it just makes it confusing???? my gloves have accents that can be dyed and they will ALWAYS look metallic but my skirt can't even have that same treatment??? this just further proves how the textures must be the basis for the dye channels because some of the choices for the 2nd dye channel hinge on that common malice or incompetence scale.
This issues have me Dyeing here!
idk why glamouring items is so restrictive to limited dye channels and sometimes weird hues like noir jacket.
In regards to why everything that could have two channels isn't, they have stated that all entended gear should be done by 7.4 patch, so it's a matter of waiting. But as for all the bad dye choices, it's been an annoyance across regions, and you KNOW it's awful when JP won't shoo it away. I hope they listen and go back, even if I know that it'll push things back more as previously dyed spaces need to be rewritten as their own path.
Having the metal accents on a piece turn gold for seemingly no reason has been a thing for a long time. It's why I've never used the level 60 Astro set for glams. I'm assuming it's some weird bug they haven't figured out and probably haven't tried to. The poor choices on what can be dyed in many of the pieces that have the feature so far just makes me want them to go ahead and add a third dye option.
The Cashmere Slops were heartbreaking. Undyed, they have this fringe running down the outside of the leg that ends in a leather fringe. The main channel has always dyed them, so the expectation was that the second one would set them free, but instead it just dyes the belt ;_;
Dw Aitherea girliepop nation will descend upon the square enix offices to make these changes🙏 But seriously the two dye system is great but..yeah I definitely had some issues with it esp when i got gunbreaker to 100 and realized i couldnt change the mismatched red on the job outfit despite loving the design its just so close and kinda disappointing.
I was so excited to dye the Appointed Jacket vest to make so many color combos possible. One of the biggest disappointments to me.
I assume the clothes are separate by parts and the button and the rest of the pants are the only separated parts of that clothing, so they just have to write one code for every game object.
Its a very low effort way of handling this I also guess future items will be designed to work better with this code an possibly they edit the old items at some point but tbh they make certain decisions that I think are bad or low effort and never correct them, I actually only started modding my game because when I looked at my feet before the Graphical update they looked like a piece of wood... that made me upset so I started modding my game to have a different body model / textures and I had toes ! No more wood feet! Then they did the Graphical update YEARS LATER and now we got toes so... they maybe just need many years to do anything x_x also I am not into toes I just feel like if your character looks like a wooden block its not immersive and I just kept thinking about it once I seen it
I believe the biggest reason is, they wanted the existing dyed items to stay as close to same as possible, so existing glams did not break. This means first channel dyed, nothing on second has to stay same after adding the second channel.
I wish they'd have just ripped the bandaid, and said "sorry, some old glams will break, re-dye them with the new system"
I tried do change the yellow belt from Yunas dress, I can‘t change the yellow one 😢
I wonder if they had some kind of tool that lets them know what glams are being worn the most and that influenced what older pieces they decided to go back and add two dye channels to.
I think they used more of an algorithm which looked for old pieces which are made at least out of two IDs and if there is a second one it got a second dye. Like the first glam in the video probably has like ID 1 = panties, ID2 = the metal parts and ID 3 = the straps. The tool only sees the first two IDs and make them dyeable.
They probably can go and change it manually per gear piece but that would mean someone from the design team looks over every single piece and that would need time.
Truthfully the dyes could be a bit better more like 3 dye channels would be great. Like 2 examples im giving just based on my character. The bohemian coat and wake doctors coat. I think 3 dye channels would be great so i can change the inside of the shirt not just the coat and its accessories on the coat. Just my opinion
Biggest 2 Dye Fail: Mr. Rokkon Kimono. So many options they could have chose. What did they choose? 1 little strip of lining that you can't even notice unless you gpose, pause all motion zoom in 200% :(
Biggest Why only 1 dye fail: The Ophitauroskin set (and I believe it's the Chondrite set that uses the same model): One of the legit best looking sets in the entire game with two versions they could have altered to make at least of them double dyeable but, nope, still stuck with that ugly brown leather corset that keeps the top from matching almost anything else in the game.
Biggest Why still not dye-able fail: The Pahlthan set. Not everyone's cup of tea but absolutely one of the most interesting and unique sets in the game, but it's still not dyeable. The biggest kick in the teeth though? They actually did go out of their way to give us a new recolour of that set in the level 91 dungeon... but that one isn't dyeable either despite being put into the game after the double dye system was implemented (and the new version isn't even single colour dyeable either) . >:(
don't even get me started on the fat cat hoodie, one dye channel just dyes the metal caps on the hood strings
If you want another really bad one, take a look at Augmented Gallant Surcoat. The 2nd dye channel dyes almost nothing whereas the first dye channel dyes almost everything and makes it look fugly.
Kinda made me feel a lot of the secondary channel dyes are lazy work. Buttons? Stitches? Tassels? Seriously??
i agree, some of the dye pieces drive me crazy with the decision they made. i relate so well to this! XD
The way they implemented the 2nd dye channel was by literally just flipping a flag and enabling it on the 2nd material associated with the gear piece with no curation. The first material will look good because that’s the one the gear was made knowing it would dye, while the 2nd could be anything. This can be confirmed by using plugins that enable multiple dye channel.
The thing with the two dye channels is that they didn't exactly go into each piece and choose what was gonnabe dieable. What they did was they inserted the program string for 2 dye channels on the pieces, but the code decides what's gonna be dyeable based on materials. So a piece is all fabric and has little metal details? The second dye channel will be the little metal details. I know it's really annoying, and I got disappointed as well with a lot of pieces, but when we see it as the program choosing it based on material, it makes a lot of sense. I think probably the devs didn't predict some of the pieces would be such an absolute disappointment. Hopefully this is fixable and we'll get a patch for those bad pieces in the near future
The Educand's Sailor Skirt is THE WORST 2nd DYE CHANNEL! I bet you can't even find it without zooming in and searching. I would rather they not have given it a 2nd channel, at least that wouldn't have been such an insult.
I love your videossss, I'm excited to see this one, lol, let's see if folks complain about you being disappointed with something in the game when they could just touch grass, lol.
also, sadly a lot of the dye channels are so disappointing, tbh.
I touch grass through a plastic bag every day when I pick up my dog's poop
@Aitherea This was more info than we needed hahaha
@@Aithereaedited my comment, I realized it sounded as if I were being judgmental towards you, but I meant other folks who are nasty towards you. 😅
Ugh, the ruffled skirt!!!!
I just saw that GW 2 finally relesed an housing system..and it look better than the FFXIV one.
@@alchemi8085 Yep ! Instanced,
to be precise, it's like the Private Island, but with an interior you can customize like in FFXIV (and BDTH if you know it). And a huge terrain you can explore aswell.
Thought I was watching Barbienation for a second with that background music. 😅
i just be using free shit from youtube library and i be using jazz every time so i changed it up xDD
is this game worth getting as a first ff game?
i would say so since all the mainline ff games are integrated like storylines or natural parts of the world and will only be seen as a reference for those who played the original games. I've barely played ff games and all the references go over my had but the devs still make it an enjoyable time and story for the new ff fan. also these can cause to to try out new ff games if the specific storyline's aesthetic is your style. a lot of the story is also just plain new to the ff franchise so you wont totally be missing on those ff references and callbacks.
My disappointment came when i found out that female and male version of the same outfit dont share the same dye channels...like the Eastern Togi...on girls version get to change the metal dragon. On the boys version, just the belt...
I’m disappointed with the Ishgardian Gown. It starts with two different colors but only dyes to one which is not fun when you want to keep the two tone style of the dress
3rd dye channel whenn😭
Augmented Quetzalli Kite Shield I'm really disappointed in how this dyes
Yes, better 2 dye channels, less Wuk Lamat
We can't be positive, Ai, can't have that
I already made the positive version of this video :)
They are probably gonna have to go through each piece of equipment and manually swap out dye channels on each model to ever fix this stuff so it’s good to have videos like this to let the devs know what to prioritize!
@@Aitherea It was a bad joke about not being able to make a positive video without people asking for a negative version
@@4NSW3RM3 ahaha i see. Well, i think it can be fun to talk about things like this that are, at the end of the day, so low stakes c: if we're gonna be negative at least it's about something that hardly matters so it's not like it's ruining our lives xD
yeah.. who ever had the idea to just dye the buttons.. ugh smh
Chances are that they used a tool to automatically do the channels. No human involvement.
Showing all these makes me wonder if they actually put in effort. Like maybe they used AI to decide what the second dye channel was, and all the effort that was put in by a human was just the coding
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Yea…. I feel like common sense was missing on allot of things tbh
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Hey. Still watching the video? It’s interesting being this early. 😅
@@Quantum_Bluntz I am! I love the glam videos. They are helping me up my fashion game in ff14. Usually never comment this early though 😅
it's dawntrail in a nutshell.
very underwhelming 🤷
Idk why you keep using the term "thoughtful" instead of just saying you don't like it.
I agree on some of these opinionwise, but I think they probably put a lot of thought into the hundreds of hours it takes to reconfigure how the textures re-color. These all make sense to me, even if I don't personally like how they look.
also you're basically preaching and hoping over nothing, if you notice alot of the best outfits in the game that have the best dyeable channels are the mogstation outfits.
5th
Girl this is the most based video I ever seen lol 🤍
4:35 Honestly
Laziness is my opinion.