In the universe that spawned Stargate, one of the co-creators of the Stargate tv series was pitching a pilot a couple years ago for a sequel series that would start with the revealing of the Stargate program. Unfortunately, Brad Wrights script has likely been trashed for a reboot after Amazon bought MGM. "We bought a franchise, now chuck it in the bin and start fresh!" doesn't make sense to me, but that's why I'm not a media executive I guess.
Basically they want the name but don’t want all the baggage of the old series. They want to make their own “better” version rather than continuing someone else’s work. Plus there are legal/ownership issues they may want to ignore.
Well, to be fair, while stargate has a dedicated fanbase......its been a while since Atlantis, SG1 and dear god the movie. So a reboot isn't too crazy.............I just hope they follow the original SG1 and get the star of a modern action series to play O'neil.
@@TimeTravelinc I doubt that will happen for a while, though he stays pretty engaged and talks fairly openly about plans. There just haven't been official announcements about this that would clear him to do so.
Never heard of a reboot happening, so I don't know what you're talking about here. The last I heard having an Amazon Stargate series was basically dead in the water. It wasn't going anywhere.
Personally, I think the world learning about the Stargate Program is simple inevitable. It’ll be interesting to see the inevitable Stargate sequel series deal with the consequences of that decision, from the emergence of Cerberus type anti-alien movements to mega corporations cashing in on alien technologies.
Yeah, we could see how different countries and its citizens deal with the other humans, maybe an cynical man from south america tries to help some civilizations that resembles its country of origin, some russians tries to expand orthodox christianity to other worlds, china has a new world to be more inhumane.
Stargate has already done both mega corporations cashing in on alien tech and the anti alien organization that ends up being controlled by the alien they were trying to stop just like in mass effect
@@ln7929 I've got to rewatch Stargate just to be sure… So, has Stargate done something like a Trump figure and/or alt right analogues? Both seem like potential story ideas for a sequel series.
@@mingchoi8369 stargate mainly stays neutral in politics bureaucrats tend to be the antagonist their are multiple episodes on it one with a planet nuking itself in a religious war
@@mingchoi8369 but personally i hope it doesnt include real world political partys but the show does include senator kinsey a man who is constantly trying to control the stargate program
Jack O'Neill: I would like to apologize in advance for anything that I do or say that could be considered offensive as I slowly go NUTS! Jack O'Neill: What do you want? Apophis: To live. Jack O'Neill: I can't help you there. That's between you and your god. Oh, wait a minute. You are your god. That's a problem.
Revealing the SGC would have been an ideal end of SG1 and/or an ideal beginning for another series. I don't think you loose many of the current storytelling opportunities, and I think some additional ones are added. However, I'd keep the core of the program as an optimistic, honorable, best and brightest pushing the bounds of human knowledge and defending us all.
Yes, ending the series on the secret being revealed would have been a good "bookend" and _"what do we do now?"_ moment without a cliched ending on a "will they survive" cliffhanger. A similar ending is Buffy, where they won, but _the game has completely changed_ with hundreds of new Slayers coming into their powers all over the World. The story will continue, and it'll be uncharted ground for the heroes, but it's going to be different - not a battle against evil but just dealing with the fallout and the hassles of new responsibilities.
Hell yeah! The last thing we need is a Stargate being turned into another Battlestar Galactica (I have nothing against BSG re-imagining; it's still one of my favorite TV shows, but it was pretty dark and depressing sometimes).
I'd go with ending SGU; they get back to Earth, and are treated as heroes- because the program has been revealed six months ago. Then they could have a miniseries dealing with that six months.
Stargate had largely run its course. Granted Stargate Universe should have been allowed to finish, but ratings were way down and it seemed no one had a good plan on [what] to do. But I think a new SEQUEL (not a reboot) series to SG1 would be a good idea at this point in time.
@@Crazael season 9 and 10 of SG1 was intended as a full on new series. Called stargate command witch would have been a full new story with multiple seasons
@@ryanderenbecker8837 lmao literally speaking? Never. But by classification literally everyone even goku when he knows goku would fuck him up lol, no worries though I was just goofing
Honestly it was ridiculous that the program could stay secret after the Anubis invasion. All practical and ethical considerations aside, there's simply no way to hide something that big.
They really should have gone public after that. No need to worry about mass panic because they already fought off a major invasion and hold an (at the time) unbeatable defense weapon.
@@redhunter8731 Atlantis sets down in or near the San Francisco bay area. Even with the weirdness factor there, some people are going to *notice*a sizeable artificial island floating there.
Honestly the Battle of Antartica seemed like the most likely moment for a global reveal of the Stargate program. How they kept that under wraps, I don’t know,
In one of my fanfics, I envisioned disclosing the Stargate and the Goa'uld attack on day one would make some things easier in the long run. And the events around Alec Colson would've been the right time to do at least partial public disclosure.
I also wrote a fanfic a decade ago that involves a united Earth post reveal that led to a short non nuclear world war because there is ZERO way the Russians, China and America would EVER unite regardless of alien threats.
@@robkemp598 I'm a huge fan of the Macross series and from that, I got the idea that the major powers of earth will start a war over advanced alien tech, which will end with a huge "unification war" to unite the planet
@@1337Zip I don't remember, it was a LONG time ago when I gave a damn about fanfic writing. The setting was POST unification war. The United Earth government is western centric because America had a hold on all the alien tech and essentially made it impossible for Russia and China to keep up, their governments collapsed because their people were more oppressed than their outward appearance led on, See ANYTHING about the People's Republic of China today. I basically turned the Stargate universe into Halo/Star Trek. There's now a much more larger human foothold throughout Sol system, like the moon, Mars, Venus is undergoing terraforming, thanks to Asgard tech mining on the moons of Jupiter, etc with the Earth fleet being large enough to challenge any other remaining power in the Milky Way Earth special forces wear Kull warrior inspired armor. Stargate expedition groups now use energy based weapons as standard.
A Stargate series about Earth a decade after public disclosure would be so god damn interesting. Imagine countries requesting resource rights on alien worlds, or religious groups wanting their own planets. I’d imagine by this point the Earth gate would be used like it is in “2001.” Constantly used for public and commercial travel. Necessitating the existence of an off world SGC.
I think the stargates aren't really suited for a public transportation. One gate for the entire planet would create a looong line. You'll need to transport a lot of people, a lot of cargo. Imagine you want to visit your friend on Abydos, buy a ticket, and it says "Your number is 9001, waiting time >year." That would be not very practical, to say the least. So the gate would probably still be reserved for military/diplomatic use, mass produced civilian ships would be more common for public and commercial travel.
@@Nightshadow12111 Tightly controlled schedules could mitigate this problem. If things got too busy, designating certain planets as transit hubs would also help. Need to go to planet A? Well since it isn't a major destination for Earth with multiple dial outs a day, you instead go to major hub B that has a regularly scheduled dial out. Similar to air travel today.
Even more Stargate content! Thank you, Templin Institute! It makes me so happy that there is still interest in it. I really hope it comes back one day.
I generally agree with this premise that the Stargate Program should be disclosed. in my opinion, it should be done at a regularly scheduled time and place, like at a General Assembly of the UN with all of the primary participating great power Nations disclosing and presenting, and the UN Sec. Gen. setting a positive tone for the great societal changes going forward. I think that would be the best forum and way to disclose it. Good Video and good topic to discuss!!
After that, the various nations involved with the SGC will host a fleet week type tour of the ships they operates for their people and do a traveling world expo like event to showcase technologies. Also get another Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson cameo reacting to everything with McKay being smug about it.
If I were to do a new series I'd have it set after the stargate program went public, also using it to explain why there is a huge time jump, with the fallout making stargate travel put on hold, with the new series being based around a new SG-1 team going out and rediscovering the galaxy. There would also be legacy characters and plots, with a mystery around Daniel Jackson, who illegally travelled through the stargate with vala after the suspension of the program to an unknown location and also the scientific team member would be a grown up clone of Jack, who took a different path and embraced his intelligence rather than hide it. Not to mention the added mystery of what happened to the Atlantis expedition who decided to go back to the pegasus galaxy (later shown to have built their own thriving society). I also think that by the time of season 8 it was getting a bit ridiculous having the program remain secret, when the world has a fleet of ships in orbit and hundreds of thousands of people across multiple countries working in the stargate program. From a storytelling perspective alone the stargate program needs to be public, otherwise it starts to break the believability of the universe. The reveal of the stargate program also creates a new threat on earth, with earth now split between two factions, a United earth government (who now run the stargate program and all starship programs) and the isolationist alliance (a group of independent nations who don't think that humans should get involved with other worlds).
Personally, for interstellar governance, I would go with a Systems Alliance-style thing. Earth can do whatever, but anything offworld must go through our doors (and gates) by definition, and therefore is under us.
I think it would be more exciting worldbuilding wise to still have the worlds nations be seperate entitites instead of some generic world government fighting some alliance with an unoriginal name that somehow trancends conflicting national and ideological to say ''alien bad;'. and also ''world gov bad''
I’d love to see a sequel series with an international Stargate organization, with SG teams from each participant nation. Maybe have Jack and Sam’s daughter from the books leading the US SG team.
@@DawnandTwlight625 as I recall, there was a book involving the Aschen survivors and a time-traveling O’Neil and his daughter. (I’m assuming Sam was the mother).
Not to mention, opening up the existence of the program to a wider population would give us a greater pool of researchers. This would likely provide greater insight into the technologies discovered through the Stargate program.
If nothing else, it'll be better for the Air Force to reveal it to the world rather than have the truth come out by other forces, like an alien invasion 😟
An alien invasion would pose sundry liability questions - the US could even be held responsible for any damage done to nations that failed to prepare because they had no idea.
This is US A nation that have the most secrets of secrets than other modern-day nations in the world. They would never reveal anything that might be a threat to their national security nonsense.
would love to see more stargate content on this channel! this franchise is one of my all time favorites and i feel like it has been really underrated and forgotten i would love to see you do videos about the goauld empire, the lucian alliance and the wraith
I been shouting at this since day one. Imagine instead a number of Earth ships that can be counted with one hands vs it's whole industrial power brought to bare building dozens of them a year like WW2.
I would have done it just after Season 7, myself. The SGC was riding a high. Anubis was dead (they thought), they were prepping to go to actual fucking *Atlantis,* and the Replicators weren't *quite* threatening our galaxy yet. There would be public outrage, which in my opinion, is completely justified ("I'm sorry, *how* many times did you say the Earth itself came under threat!? Under our noses!?"), but again, they were at a high point. They could point to Anubis' super fleet and say "yeah we can deal with this kinda shit". Plus, Anubis blew up, like, an entire USN carrier group. How do you hide *that*?
This is probably the best way for the series to come back/continue. I imagine a new show that starts with some event that forces the government to reveal everything and proceeds to focus on humanity as a whole progressively becoming an interstellar species
I love your reasoning for disclosure. I also think there could be some great philosophical discussion in having to compare these considerations with the fear some prominent members of the SGC would naturally have based on their experience in alternate realities where disclosure had already happened
It's a shame Brad writes fourth series pilot is dead in the water with the Amazon acquisition of MGM that was the whole premise of his his fourth series pilot was the reveal of the Stargate program
That would be one hell of a press conference "Ladies and gentlemen, earth is a galactic superpower. We have been for a while. I will now take your questions"
A new show should start with an alien attack on a major city and everyone expecting it to get wiped out like independence day. Then a bunch of earth ships show up and wipe them out quickly. And then they're like; sorry, yeah, we're kind of bad asses, the Lucien allience and those motherships are kind of old hat.
By this point Earth has Ancient Defence Platform that word out Anubis fleet. You don't really need a bunch of Earth ships to show up, drones will finish then before that happens
@@slash2botunless they managed to produce new drones, using earth ships make a lot of sense. Why waste a limit recourses if replaceable home build systems do the trick?
Nah. We saw that with Man Of Steel and Batman vs Superman. Did not go well, at all, and that was precisely how that was introduced. In Stargate, it would be far worse, considering the gate itself could strip the planet of all life if it was miss used in a specific way, and someone whom was angry they were kept out of the loop would do it just to be vindictive. That is just one technology the show has developed over its time with the capability of killing everyone. We got hints of that line of thought from the senators in the show itself, and we also saw Baal manipulating those that shared that sentiment when he arrived on Earth. The hints from SGU showed Stargate Command was letting out information slowly. All the releases of information that we saw could easily have to be agreed by all involved first. I think that at some point Stargate Command goes from a US, Russia, China, UK and French secret, to a global Command through the UN, since all permanent Security Council members were all involved from the beginning.
@@slash2bot The Wraith blow up the Ancient chair in the final episode of Atlantis. They don't have ancient defences anymore unless they steal a chair from the medieval Atlantis clone.
I've been hoping for years that in the off chance the SG ip gets picked up again in a new series, that the first episode would either start or end with the SG Program going public. Every one of your points is spot on, and I hadn't previously considered the parallels with Goa'uld society forming with it remaining secret. Excellent examination.
This one really hit me, I miss this show so much (still watch from time to time) it was a big part of my late teens and well into my 20's. A sequel would be great
If someone ever take up the mantel to continue with the current Stargate storyline/lore/universe, I hope they'll do a long term revelations storyline. Either make the first season or two take place before revelation about the politic behind the decisions or possible impending threats that necessitate the program to be revealed or make sure there are ample flash back sequence or even full episodes that takes place before revelations that ties into current storyline.
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And there's also the moral aspect. The classified technology brought back from the Gate could eliminate most of the suffering on Earth, but the way the IOA is trickle-feeding it to the public means that millions, maybe billions will suffer and die before the technology to help them becomes available.
Disclosure definitely should've happened after the Super Hive incident so we coukd get the full industrial might of Earth behind building a true multi-national fleet.
I always sort of assumed by the last few seasons that the Stargate program had to be 'out' in some form. Not sure how you could build multiple interstellar warships that must cost billions of dollars and tried thousands of people to make in secret. Not to mention hiding a massive spaceship fight over Antarctica
By the time the Daedalus class ships were being built, it was somewhat of an open secret on the Stargate universe’s Earth that someone had a cache of extremely advanced technology that was slowly being disseminated into the general public. An evidence of this can be seen in the Atlantis episode where a scientist creates an actual working prototype machine that can dump excess heat in the Earth’s atmosphere into another dimension to help with global warming, and the people in the (very large) audience didn’t even bat an eye as if this was the new normal. Then we see that Cameron Mitchell’s friend had basically already figured it out from working as an advisor with companies that are already producing parts for the F-302s and the BC-304s. So basically a lot of people know that something’s up, just not exactly what. And the vast majority of them do not want to be the ones to start spilling the beans. So to me at least, it seams that the IOA had chosen a soft disclosure of sort. Slowly disseminating technology and information about the program to as many people as possible, so that when they have no time left and are forced to disclose the program for the whole world, the least number of people possible would be completely surprised.
I could imagine there being initial protests and anger but eventually that would calm down and people would be eager to sign up to live on a new colony world or serve on a new BC306 (or whatever number they're on now)
I think I’ve heard the creator of Stargate voice a similar opinion. Would be cool to explore the declassification of the Stargate program in a new tv series.
@@TemplinInstitute I wouldn't put anything past the Temporal Division. I know you didn't include it in the org chart a few months ago, but that's because it hasn't created itself yet.
The more I've learned/evolved through the years. The more I understand that the SG1 was trying, as best as it was allowed, to inform us on the TRUE story of the world in which we live. Damn near verbatim.
It felt sillier and sillier that they kept SG1 and the wider galaxy a total secret from earth even while earth was essentially forging an intergalactic empire in the background. Fleets of warships, vast interstellar alliances, tech trade, all while earth was somehow totally in the dark. Silly.
Sadly people in power don't want a better future for everyone, just a better future for themselves exclusively. People in power would be more willing to cause a new dark age with them at the top than have a utopia for everyone SG program would never be disclosed NEVER.
Faith in the institutions has never been lower. Keeping the population in the dark and feeding lies for so long has caused this. To go public with the Stargate program would undoubtedly usher in a new cultural golden era for the entire planet of Earth.
When I watched SG1 I kept thinking about how cool a successor series would be, one about the stargates being public knowlege and the protagonists are a special forces group tasked in protecting civilians, colonies and the star gates.
I think that's why SGC had allowed for the creation of the TV Show Wormhole X-Treme, which is to prepare the greater public for the existence of SGC. Better be met with confusion nore than anger, and questions after questions. Plus SGC seems to be preparing for the eventual disclosure when they already have been sending hints to the internet as shown in SG Destiny. Feeding information for the people who found them to disseminate. So by the time the disclosure happens, the public is already aware of what to expect. Likely just not the extent of it.
Man an open star gate program would be blast furnace to US and earths economy. Just the fact being able to have ship and mining stations off wold would save the ecology of earth. The minimal unlocked tech from the program if used correctly could just end the poverty and strife. The option of new off world outpost and could also help with stress the world over.
You can bet that there would be those in the military and government who would fight tooth and nail against disclosing the Stargate Program and all its associated technologies as they will not want to share all the cool toys or give up their power.
Another good reason to make the Stargate public knowledge is that instead of having to build Daedalus ships in secret and in small numbers (maybe 1 or 2 built a year) you could build proper large scale shipyards all over the planet and pump out dozens, possibly hundreds, of ships a year.
Hiding the truth really had diminishing returns after a certain stage. I'd argue that, after negotiating Earth as part of the protected planets treaty, they had both the knowledge and relative security to avoid a mass panic. Also, they could then have utilised the full industrial and civilian resources of the planet (without the restraints of secrecy) to help keep Earth safe. Frankly, the fact that they never took this route was a massive cop out on the part of the writers.
Making it public allows you so many more stories, you can explore earth colonists, mistrust in government, complicated politics, jokes about tourism etc
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEEEEEARS! If I got word that not only are we traveling through space but that we can go to other worlds and have fun with aliens I'd be like "SIGN ME THE FUCK UP!"
Depending on how much it's revealed it could lead to problems like people angry at America's "Manifest Destiny" attitude which, while working out in the end, many times nearly ended up with the destruction or conquest of Earth. Like the asteroid or the near bombardment from Hak'taks.
'Secrecy' was implausible past the end of season 1. _Disclosure_ (or something like it) should have been episode 2 of season 2, not bumped off back to late season 6.
I'm with ya, I would like to know if there is a ring of alien space alloy that allows people to instantaneously move from one planet to another sitting bellow my home here in Colorado Springs.
Ok, I do agree with some of your points on here. For example, revealing the Stargate program would allow us to fully mobilize the free market to take advantage of the technology boom. But there's a side you didn't touch: Earth is by no means a single government state, and the Stargate, by it's very nature, is limited to being in a single location at a time. This means whatever nation controls the Stargate, controls the future of humanity in the galaxy. There are many nations that would take umbrage with the United States, or an international coalition backed by the US, having an effective monopoly on that resource.
I understand why they would want to keep a program like Stargate under wraps at least for a long time. But at the same time, I definitely agree that if they kept something like that sealed up for an extremely extended amount of time, they definitely would have a feeling of betrayal from the populace, who would probably go on to generate massive protests because of the simple loss of trust. However, even though in the actual story, the program is conducted with multiple countries I don’t really think a country like the US would in any way be willing to share this kind of technology and such with countries like China, Russia, or a few others. However, in doing so , it would make you wonder just how the rest of the world would react if they learned that the United States government was knowingly, hiding and intergalactic highway system of sorts. I can tell you for one thing that a number of countries would be very upset.
It was my problem from day 1 that all these universe shaking events ending with an arm of the US military as an intergalactic power were happening without much civilian input.
The idea that it is still classified is something that should be explored by a series. I mean its what 2023 come on now kids lets let others have a turn in the sandbox.
I would be all for a *"Stargate Revelations"* Series, centering around, making earth/Humanity a true spacefaring civilisation & not just some teams & agencies that do/know about it!
My personal opinion is the Stargate program have to be revealed to the world once the earth able to make there first starship like BC303 class and BC304 class starship. By that point earth is able to fight alien invasion in equal term so the population of the earth would have to be worried anymore
The key strategic reason to announce is that at present, the earth can call upon the intellectual and industrial power of 100,000 with a tight and unwieldy security regime, whereas public announcement could instantly bring billions of people into earth defense and R&D... You know, with all the galaxy-impacting events SGC has been involved in, a reveal to the wider public would sound a lot more like the "Moon Bears have taken over the secret American Moon Base" announcement...that would be a good april fools video, Templin
To be fair, the end of Stargate Atlantis with a technologically advanced alien city landing off the coast of San Francisco full of American military, makes it hard to keep the program hidden anymore.
You raise a really good point re: the comparison to the Goa'uld. It'd be fascinating if a new Stargate series ran with that and had the tiny elite controlling that technology be the bad guys. Very unlikely that'd happen though. Also a show with such strong ties to the USAF in real life so consistently opposing letting the wider public know about secrets that so directly impacted our lives and safety does raise a few worrying possibilities.
Totally agree with everything you said and of course Atlantis sitting just of SF adds yet another layer, its revelation alone would be enormous and then throw in the Stargate. TBH I would doubt the secret would have lasted as long as it did in the real world, as you said, the number of people in the know by the time Ely left Earth in SGU, would have 6 figures in it. I would like to see a show set 15 years or so after SGU is set. Atlantis and the Gate are common knowledge, Stargate Command is based in Atlantis still sitting off SF. Earth has settled several off world colonies, the population of Atlantis is around 40-50,000, mainly scientists, Engineers, Soldiers, support staff and their families. I would like to see a couple of original characters from the original shows for continuity (Sam would be perfect for Command) maybe McKay and John Shephard, you could fit in some Guest roles or even recurring.
In universe, it makes sense that it should be revealed. Story writing-wise, it would be a very difficult challenge. It is possible and it would be very engaging if written well. It would open a whole slew of new possible storylines that would keep SG feeling fresh. But it is still a hard jump to make. I think one underrecognized part of why SG worked so well was how optimistic the 90s and even the more tense 2000s. That was relative lack of geopolitical tension and level of trust in institutions that made it fun to imagine the military having a secret program but yet being the "good guys" and cooperating between the various nation states. That despite being separate nations, secretly the US was cooperating just fine with US and China to the point of even sharing starships technology. Today it would make no sense. This means the few ways for SG to work now is diverging the timeline from "our" world (Stargate reveal), but it also mean giving up one of its charms why Stargate worked so well.
On this note, please talk about the fact that in the halo universe, civilians should already know about the flood and the halo array they could go to any former member of the covenant and get that info from them
"without increasing the tax" and that is one of the most irrealistic part. in one of the episode they state that the program has around 7 billion usd yearly budget, yet not only running a major military base from that, but creating tech and whatnot, including fighter planes (that usual has larger budget if just the next variant of normal tech, not trying to make an ssto and space superiority fighter with jump capability, eg. running three manhatten program alongside a normal fighter develpment.) and developing and producing carrier sized spacecrafts (the stuff that cost more to build on water, than the entire budget, ignoring all the space stuff.)
Truly a topic that needs considering in the current day XD honestly though I love bringing up something like Stargate nowadays cause it feels so weirdly in the past now. I also wanna say, the only issue I see opening the program to the public is that there is only 1 gate on earth and ya know funneling 7 billion people through 1 round hole is kinda insane to consider I know that's a ridiculous point but I feel it needs to be asked Xp
While I agree by the end of the series timeline they really should have went public a LONG time ago, but I wouldn't really consider the Asgard that much more open about sharing then the Gauld, they were just more benevolent in their interactions, but they still displayed themselves as gods to hide their identity and there were factions of the Asgard that where fully willing to experiment on Humans for the advantage of the Asgardians. It wasn't really until the Asgard realised Humans from Earth where likely to show potential and become the "fourth race" that the Asgard started to show direct interest in Earth's Military. Interestingly enough when they gave Earth full access to the sum of their knowledge near the end of the Asgard extinction event is one of the many turning points in the show where the Stargate Program should have been made public for the purpose of Earth's safety. The first time being when Anubis tried to launch a full scale invasion on Earth resulting in a massive aerial dogfight over the antarctic and the use of Ancient Tech and Drone weapons and the last time (in the show timeline) being when Atlantis is parked in the Pacific Ocean just off the shore of California... like I get it was cloaked... but you can't park a full city close enough the land you can easily see what's happening on shore and not have at least one boat of aircraft bump into it no matter how amazing the cloak is.
I am sure Karen from HR is a Goa'uld, Alistair from Accounts has to be an Ori Commander (Hallowed are the Accounts) and the Boss is a Wraith, if ever I saw one!
To counter this , If the Star Gate program was made public then how will battles look intense if you have a butch of knight with spare that shoot plasma go against a few tanks
I totally agree, they need to have the program revealed in the next series (if it ever happens). I imagine having a heavily guarded civilian gateroom for off-world travel similar to the episode 2010, but also retain the SGC using another stargate. Just give the SGC the DHD and route all scheduled dial-ins to the civilian gate, and any unscheduled off-world activations to the SGC.
My personal bet is the reason why it's never revealed is because writers don't want to lose that kind of control over their universe. Top secret technology being unveiled usually leads to civilian third party development, which itself can lead to a very EXPANSIVE amount of growth once the civilian populace essentially has the equivalent of a teleportation door to any point in the universe they want. As much as I love that kind of depth, that's a lot of extra work for what's essentially a science fiction tv show that got its origins from the whole "Ancient Aliens" trope.
I’m very optimistic on how a Stargate program would be most inevitable for our evolution out into space. So I’d like to see such a program be made public and hopefully that will happen soon enough. 🌌⚛️👍🏻
In the universe that spawned Stargate, one of the co-creators of the Stargate tv series was pitching a pilot a couple years ago for a sequel series that would start with the revealing of the Stargate program. Unfortunately, Brad Wrights script has likely been trashed for a reboot after Amazon bought MGM. "We bought a franchise, now chuck it in the bin and start fresh!" doesn't make sense to me, but that's why I'm not a media executive I guess.
Basically they want the name but don’t want all the baggage of the old series. They want to make their own “better” version rather than continuing someone else’s work.
Plus there are legal/ownership issues they may want to ignore.
Well, to be fair, while stargate has a dedicated fanbase......its been a while since Atlantis, SG1 and dear god the movie. So a reboot isn't too crazy.............I just hope they follow the original SG1 and get the star of a modern action series to play O'neil.
By any chance, did the creator keep a copy of the pitch and reveal it to the internet?
@@TimeTravelinc I doubt that will happen for a while, though he stays pretty engaged and talks fairly openly about plans. There just haven't been official announcements about this that would clear him to do so.
Never heard of a reboot happening, so I don't know what you're talking about here.
The last I heard having an Amazon Stargate series was basically dead in the water. It wasn't going anywhere.
"As long as I am in command of the SGC, we will hold ourselves to the highest ethical standard." - George S. Hammond, leader of Stargate Command
"Challange accepted" the NID (probably)
RIP Hammond
Hammond of Texas
You got to love Hammond
a true chad from Texas
Personally, I think the world learning about the Stargate Program is simple inevitable. It’ll be interesting to see the inevitable Stargate sequel series deal with the consequences of that decision, from the emergence of Cerberus type anti-alien movements to mega corporations cashing in on alien technologies.
Yeah, we could see how different countries and its citizens deal with the other humans, maybe an cynical man from south america tries to help some civilizations that resembles its country of origin, some russians tries to expand orthodox christianity to other worlds, china has a new world to be more inhumane.
Stargate has already done both mega corporations cashing in on alien tech and the anti alien organization that ends up being controlled by the alien they were trying to stop just like in mass effect
@@ln7929 I've got to rewatch Stargate just to be sure…
So, has Stargate done something like a Trump figure and/or alt right analogues? Both seem like potential story ideas for a sequel series.
@@mingchoi8369 stargate mainly stays neutral in politics bureaucrats tend to be the antagonist their are multiple episodes on it one with a planet nuking itself in a religious war
@@mingchoi8369 but personally i hope it doesnt include real world political partys but the show does include senator kinsey a man who is constantly trying to control the stargate program
Jack O'Neill: I would like to apologize in advance for anything that I do or say that could be considered offensive as I slowly go NUTS!
Jack O'Neill: What do you want?
Apophis: To live.
Jack O'Neill: I can't help you there. That's between you and your god. Oh, wait a minute. You are your god. That's a problem.
🤣🤣
I loved everything about O'Neill.
Revealing the SGC would have been an ideal end of SG1 and/or an ideal beginning for another series. I don't think you loose many of the current storytelling opportunities, and I think some additional ones are added. However, I'd keep the core of the program as an optimistic, honorable, best and brightest pushing the bounds of human knowledge and defending us all.
Yes, ending the series on the secret being revealed would have been a good "bookend" and _"what do we do now?"_ moment without a cliched ending on a "will they survive" cliffhanger.
A similar ending is Buffy, where they won, but _the game has completely changed_ with hundreds of new Slayers coming into their powers all over the World.
The story will continue, and it'll be uncharted ground for the heroes, but it's going to be different - not a battle against evil but just dealing with the fallout and the hassles of new responsibilities.
Hell yeah! The last thing we need is a Stargate being turned into another Battlestar Galactica (I have nothing against BSG re-imagining; it's still one of my favorite TV shows, but it was pretty dark and depressing sometimes).
I'd go with ending SGU; they get back to Earth, and are treated as heroes- because the program has been revealed six months ago.
Then they could have a miniseries dealing with that six months.
This series should have never been cancelled!
On the contrary, it should have ended two seasons earlier.
MGM hated money
@@Crazael Exactly.
Stargate had largely run its course. Granted Stargate Universe should have been allowed to finish, but ratings were way down and it seemed no one had a good plan on [what] to do.
But I think a new SEQUEL (not a reboot) series to SG1 would be a good idea at this point in time.
@@Crazael season 9 and 10 of SG1 was intended as a full on new series. Called stargate command witch would have been a full new story with multiple seasons
*FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS I LAY DORMANT, WHO HAS DISTURBED MY-* Oh it's the Templin Institute uploading another glorious video. Nice.
I cannot believe a found another dbza fan on this video 😂😂😂
Careful don’t say too much, you remember what 1000 clones did to vegeta
Oh look, it's the beta males
@@ryanderenbecker8837 lmao come fight me see how beta I am
@@dylankillin318 Bruh, how often does Vegeta call everyone (except Goku and Piccolo) a beta male?
@@ryanderenbecker8837 lmao literally speaking? Never. But by classification literally everyone even goku when he knows goku would fuck him up lol, no worries though I was just goofing
Honestly it was ridiculous that the program could stay secret after the Anubis invasion. All practical and ethical considerations aside, there's simply no way to hide something that big.
Let alone a Wraith hive ship turning up in orbit and promptly exploding after exchanging fire with a flying city.
@@tompearce5418 surely some debris fell over San Francisco?
They really should have gone public after that.
No need to worry about mass panic because they already fought off a major invasion and hold an (at the time) unbeatable defense weapon.
@@redhunter8731 “hey guys we got invaded by aliens but don’t worry, we fought them off in like 30 minutes”
@@redhunter8731 Atlantis sets down in or near the San Francisco bay area. Even with the weirdness factor there, some people are going to *notice*a sizeable artificial island floating there.
Honestly the Battle of Antartica seemed like the most likely moment for a global reveal of the Stargate program. How they kept that under wraps, I don’t know,
Hence road not traveled
In one of my fanfics, I envisioned disclosing the Stargate and the Goa'uld attack on day one would make some things easier in the long run. And the events around Alec Colson would've been the right time to do at least partial public disclosure.
I also wrote a fanfic a decade ago that involves a united Earth post reveal that led to a short non nuclear world war because there is ZERO way the Russians, China and America would EVER unite regardless of alien threats.
@Excalibur01 That's depressing but probably somewhat accurate 😕
@@JustSumGuy01 Interesting, what was it called?
@@robkemp598 I'm a huge fan of the Macross series and from that, I got the idea that the major powers of earth will start a war over advanced alien tech, which will end with a huge "unification war" to unite the planet
@@1337Zip I don't remember, it was a LONG time ago when I gave a damn about fanfic writing. The setting was POST unification war. The United Earth government is western centric because America had a hold on all the alien tech and essentially made it impossible for Russia and China to keep up, their governments collapsed because their people were more oppressed than their outward appearance led on, See ANYTHING about the People's Republic of China today.
I basically turned the Stargate universe into Halo/Star Trek. There's now a much more larger human foothold throughout Sol system, like the moon, Mars, Venus is undergoing terraforming, thanks to Asgard tech mining on the moons of Jupiter, etc with the Earth fleet being large enough to challenge any other remaining power in the Milky Way
Earth special forces wear Kull warrior inspired armor. Stargate expedition groups now use energy based weapons as standard.
A Stargate series about Earth a decade after public disclosure would be so god damn interesting.
Imagine countries requesting resource rights on alien worlds, or religious groups wanting their own planets.
I’d imagine by this point the Earth gate would be used like it is in “2001.” Constantly used for public and commercial travel. Necessitating the existence of an off world SGC.
Completely agree
I think the stargates aren't really suited for a public transportation. One gate for the entire planet would create a looong line. You'll need to transport a lot of people, a lot of cargo. Imagine you want to visit your friend on Abydos, buy a ticket, and it says "Your number is 9001, waiting time >year." That would be not very practical, to say the least. So the gate would probably still be reserved for military/diplomatic use, mass produced civilian ships would be more common for public and commercial travel.
@@Nightshadow12111 Stargates are perfect for trains
@@juliam620 There's a book series on this idea already by Peter F Hamilton
@@Nightshadow12111 Tightly controlled schedules could mitigate this problem.
If things got too busy, designating certain planets as transit hubs would also help. Need to go to planet A? Well since it isn't a major destination for Earth with multiple dial outs a day, you instead go to major hub B that has a regularly scheduled dial out.
Similar to air travel today.
Even more Stargate content! Thank you, Templin Institute! It makes me so happy that there is still interest in it. I really hope it comes back one day.
The Stargate was revealed to the public, in a TV show called Wormhole X-treme!
I generally agree with this premise that the Stargate Program should be disclosed.
in my opinion, it should be done at a regularly scheduled time and place, like at a General Assembly of the UN with all of the primary participating great power Nations disclosing and presenting, and the UN Sec. Gen. setting a positive tone for the great societal changes going forward.
I think that would be the best forum and way to disclose it. Good Video and good topic to discuss!!
After that, the various nations involved with the SGC will host a fleet week type tour of the ships they operates for their people and do a traveling world expo like event to showcase technologies. Also get another Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson cameo reacting to everything with McKay being smug about it.
If I were to do a new series I'd have it set after the stargate program went public, also using it to explain why there is a huge time jump, with the fallout making stargate travel put on hold, with the new series being based around a new SG-1 team going out and rediscovering the galaxy.
There would also be legacy characters and plots, with a mystery around Daniel Jackson, who illegally travelled through the stargate with vala after the suspension of the program to an unknown location and also the scientific team member would be a grown up clone of Jack, who took a different path and embraced his intelligence rather than hide it. Not to mention the added mystery of what happened to the Atlantis expedition who decided to go back to the pegasus galaxy (later shown to have built their own thriving society).
I also think that by the time of season 8 it was getting a bit ridiculous having the program remain secret, when the world has a fleet of ships in orbit and hundreds of thousands of people across multiple countries working in the stargate program. From a storytelling perspective alone the stargate program needs to be public, otherwise it starts to break the believability of the universe.
The reveal of the stargate program also creates a new threat on earth, with earth now split between two factions, a United earth government (who now run the stargate program and all starship programs) and the isolationist alliance (a group of independent nations who don't think that humans should get involved with other worlds).
Personally, for interstellar governance, I would go with a Systems Alliance-style thing. Earth can do whatever, but anything offworld must go through our doors (and gates) by definition, and therefore is under us.
Why limit yourself to two factions of people. Have natinalist groups who do want to flex their nations power, rather than a UEG.
Well, the actor who played the teen clone of O'Neill would be a good age to be in the show about now.
@@calebblaha7854 oh, I like where your head is at. Moar politics :D
I think it would be more exciting worldbuilding wise to still have the worlds nations be seperate entitites instead of some generic world government fighting some alliance with an unoriginal name that somehow trancends conflicting national and ideological to say ''alien bad;'. and also ''world gov bad''
Imagine living in the Star Gate world.
Not only are aliens real, but we've already fought wars with them and WON. Including one in another galaxy.
I mean problem is. you would probably not even know about that
3 galaxys overall!
milkyway, pegasus & the ori galaxy!
I’d love to see a sequel series with an international Stargate organization, with SG teams from each participant nation. Maybe have Jack and Sam’s daughter from the books leading the US SG team.
Sorry, what books are you talking about?
@@DawnandTwlight625 as I recall, there was a book involving the Aschen survivors and a time-traveling O’Neil and his daughter. (I’m assuming Sam was the mother).
Not to mention, opening up the existence of the program to a wider population would give us a greater pool of researchers. This would likely provide greater insight into the technologies discovered through the Stargate program.
If nothing else, it'll be better for the Air Force to reveal it to the world rather than have the truth come out by other forces, like an alien invasion 😟
It allows them to share the burden with NATO, and gives a common goal between America and unfriendly countries like China.
Also the population will panic less if the info is revealed. Rather deal with panic during peace than during crisis.
An alien invasion would pose sundry liability questions - the US could even be held responsible for any damage done to nations that failed to prepare because they had no idea.
This is US
A nation that have the most secrets of secrets than other modern-day nations in the world.
They would never reveal anything that might be a threat to their national security nonsense.
Just started rewatching SG1 the other day and was thinking about this, can't wait for new stargate content!
Damn. We toppled the Goa'uld, the Replicators, and the Ori but we couldn't hold Afghanistan.
would love to see more stargate content on this channel!
this franchise is one of my all time favorites and i feel like it has been really underrated and forgotten
i would love to see you do videos about the goauld empire, the lucian alliance and the wraith
I been shouting at this since day one. Imagine instead a number of Earth ships that can be counted with one hands vs it's whole industrial power brought to bare building dozens of them a year like WW2.
I would have done it just after Season 7, myself. The SGC was riding a high. Anubis was dead (they thought), they were prepping to go to actual fucking *Atlantis,* and the Replicators weren't *quite* threatening our galaxy yet. There would be public outrage, which in my opinion, is completely justified ("I'm sorry, *how* many times did you say the Earth itself came under threat!? Under our noses!?"), but again, they were at a high point. They could point to Anubis' super fleet and say "yeah we can deal with this kinda shit".
Plus, Anubis blew up, like, an entire USN carrier group. How do you hide *that*?
This is probably the best way for the series to come back/continue. I imagine a new show that starts with some event that forces the government to reveal everything and proceeds to focus on humanity as a whole progressively becoming an interstellar species
I love your reasoning for disclosure. I also think there could be some great philosophical discussion in having to compare these considerations with the fear some prominent members of the SGC would naturally have based on their experience in alternate realities where disclosure had already happened
It's a shame Brad writes fourth series pilot is dead in the water with the Amazon acquisition of MGM that was the whole premise of his his fourth series pilot was the reveal of the Stargate program
That would be one hell of a press conference
"Ladies and gentlemen, earth is a galactic superpower. We have been for a while. I will now take your questions"
A new show should start with an alien attack on a major city and everyone expecting it to get wiped out like independence day. Then a bunch of earth ships show up and wipe them out quickly. And then they're like; sorry, yeah, we're kind of bad asses, the Lucien allience and those motherships are kind of old hat.
Except, unless it was for a very specific goal, it wouldn't be attack a single coty, it would be an attack across the entire world.
By this point Earth has Ancient Defence Platform that word out Anubis fleet. You don't really need a bunch of Earth ships to show up, drones will finish then before that happens
@@slash2botunless they managed to produce new drones, using earth ships make a lot of sense. Why waste a limit recourses if replaceable home build systems do the trick?
Nah. We saw that with Man Of Steel and Batman vs Superman. Did not go well, at all, and that was precisely how that was introduced.
In Stargate, it would be far worse, considering the gate itself could strip the planet of all life if it was miss used in a specific way, and someone whom was angry they were kept out of the loop would do it just to be vindictive. That is just one technology the show has developed over its time with the capability of killing everyone.
We got hints of that line of thought from the senators in the show itself, and we also saw Baal manipulating those that shared that sentiment when he arrived on Earth.
The hints from SGU showed Stargate Command was letting out information slowly. All the releases of information that we saw could easily have to be agreed by all involved first.
I think that at some point Stargate Command goes from a US, Russia, China, UK and French secret, to a global Command through the UN, since all permanent Security Council members were all involved from the beginning.
@@slash2bot The Wraith blow up the Ancient chair in the final episode of Atlantis. They don't have ancient defences anymore unless they steal a chair from the medieval Atlantis clone.
I've been hoping for years that in the off chance the SG ip gets picked up again in a new series, that the first episode would either start or end with the SG Program going public. Every one of your points is spot on, and I hadn't previously considered the parallels with Goa'uld society forming with it remaining secret. Excellent examination.
One of the most underrated works of sci-fi of all time, I wish this and Atlantis had never been cancelled.
This one really hit me, I miss this show so much (still watch from time to time) it was a big part of my late teens and well into my 20's. A sequel would be great
"To Infinity and Beyond!" - some purple head handsome dude
If someone ever take up the mantel to continue with the current Stargate storyline/lore/universe, I hope they'll do a long term revelations storyline. Either make the first season or two take place before revelation about the politic behind the decisions or possible impending threats that necessitate the program to be revealed or make sure there are ample flash back sequence or even full episodes that takes place before revelations that ties into current storyline.
And there's also the moral aspect. The classified technology brought back from the Gate could eliminate most of the suffering on Earth, but the way the IOA is trickle-feeding it to the public means that millions, maybe billions will suffer and die before the technology to help them becomes available.
Disclosure definitely should've happened after the Super Hive incident so we coukd get the full industrial might of Earth behind building a true multi-national fleet.
I always sort of assumed by the last few seasons that the Stargate program had to be 'out' in some form. Not sure how you could build multiple interstellar warships that must cost billions of dollars and tried thousands of people to make in secret. Not to mention hiding a massive spaceship fight over Antarctica
By the time the Daedalus class ships were being built, it was somewhat of an open secret on the Stargate universe’s Earth that someone had a cache of extremely advanced technology that was slowly being disseminated into the general public. An evidence of this can be seen in the Atlantis episode where a scientist creates an actual working prototype machine that can dump excess heat in the Earth’s atmosphere into another dimension to help with global warming, and the people in the (very large) audience didn’t even bat an eye as if this was the new normal. Then we see that Cameron Mitchell’s friend had basically already figured it out from working as an advisor with companies that are already producing parts for the F-302s and the BC-304s. So basically a lot of people know that something’s up, just not exactly what. And the vast majority of them do not want to be the ones to start spilling the beans.
So to me at least, it seams that the IOA had chosen a soft disclosure of sort. Slowly disseminating technology and information about the program to as many people as possible, so that when they have no time left and are forced to disclose the program for the whole world, the least number of people possible would be completely surprised.
Honestly the biggest mystery to me is how can they cover up Atlantis? Like seriously?))))
I could imagine there being initial protests and anger but eventually that would calm down and people would be eager to sign up to live on a new colony world or serve on a new BC306 (or whatever number they're on now)
With the amount of straight up space battles that have take place near Earth, it's kinda wild how no-one has noticed already honestly
The public has a right to know why so many alien planets look like Canada.
I think I’ve heard the creator of Stargate voice a similar opinion. Would be cool to explore the declassification of the Stargate program in a new tv series.
Do you mean Emmerich or Wright?
@@johanobesusfatjohn5836 Wright
Will the Templin Institute make an investigation on the Principality of Zeon in the future?
I will say it's much more likely than us making one in the past.
@@TemplinInstitute Can we get a video on the New galactic empire or the free planets alliance?
@@TemplinInstitute I wouldn't put anything past the Temporal Division.
I know you didn't include it in the org chart a few months ago, but that's because it hasn't created itself yet.
I would love to see the Universal Century analyzed.
The more I've learned/evolved through the years. The more I understand that the SG1 was trying, as best as it was allowed, to inform us on the TRUE story of the world in which we live. Damn near verbatim.
It felt sillier and sillier that they kept SG1 and the wider galaxy a total secret from earth even while earth was essentially forging an intergalactic empire in the background. Fleets of warships, vast interstellar alliances, tech trade, all while earth was somehow totally in the dark. Silly.
wtf im literally in the middle of an SG1 episode right now 😂👌
Sadly people in power don't want a better future for everyone, just a better future for themselves exclusively. People in power would be more willing to cause a new dark age with them at the top than have a utopia for everyone SG program would never be disclosed NEVER.
Faith in the institutions has never been lower. Keeping the population in the dark and feeding lies for so long has caused this. To go public with the Stargate program would undoubtedly usher in a new cultural golden era for the entire planet of Earth.
When I watched SG1 I kept thinking about how cool a successor series would be, one about the stargates being public knowlege and the protagonists are a special forces group tasked in protecting civilians, colonies and the star gates.
If I were running the show, I would have ended it with the public reveal that the program exists.
I think that's why SGC had allowed for the creation of the TV Show Wormhole X-Treme, which is to prepare the greater public for the existence of SGC.
Better be met with confusion nore than anger, and questions after questions.
Plus SGC seems to be preparing for the eventual disclosure when they already have been sending hints to the internet as shown in SG Destiny. Feeding information for the people who found them to disseminate.
So by the time the disclosure happens, the public is already aware of what to expect. Likely just not the extent of it.
Man an open star gate program would be blast furnace to US and earths economy. Just the fact being able to have ship and mining stations off wold would save the ecology of earth. The minimal unlocked tech from the program if used correctly could just end the poverty and strife. The option of new off world outpost and could also help with stress the world over.
You can bet that there would be those in the military and government who would fight tooth and nail against disclosing the Stargate Program and all its associated technologies as they will not want to share all the cool toys or give up their power.
Another good reason to make the Stargate public knowledge is that instead of having to build Daedalus ships in secret and in small numbers (maybe 1 or 2 built a year) you could build proper large scale shipyards all over the planet and pump out dozens, possibly hundreds, of ships a year.
Imagine private corporations building prometheus class for space mining.
Hiding the truth really had diminishing returns after a certain stage. I'd argue that, after negotiating Earth as part of the protected planets treaty, they had both the knowledge and relative security to avoid a mass panic.
Also, they could then have utilised the full industrial and civilian resources of the planet (without the restraints of secrecy) to help keep Earth safe. Frankly, the fact that they never took this route was a massive cop out on the part of the writers.
Either way, it would cause a panic, especially when and if people are not allowed to start going to far flung worlds as they please.
America would find themselves in wars with other nations quickly over America endangering the world.
Making it public allows you so many more stories, you can explore earth colonists, mistrust in government, complicated politics, jokes about tourism etc
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEEEEEARS! If I got word that not only are we traveling through space but that we can go to other worlds and have fun with aliens I'd be like "SIGN ME THE FUCK UP!"
Please revive this show and continue the epic story and world!
No, let it die
Depending on how much it's revealed it could lead to problems like people angry at America's "Manifest Destiny" attitude which, while working out in the end, many times nearly ended up with the destruction or conquest of Earth. Like the asteroid or the near bombardment from Hak'taks.
'Secrecy' was implausible past the end of season 1. _Disclosure_ (or something like it) should have been episode 2 of season 2, not bumped off back to late season 6.
I'm with ya, I would like to know if there is a ring of alien space alloy that allows people to instantaneously move from one planet to another sitting bellow my home here in Colorado Springs.
Honestly, I've seen this debate and about 90% of anti-disclosers keep quoting MIB as their reason for keeping it secret instead of anything original.
Just for Spaceships alone, can you imagine a Tauri fleet backed by the industrial might of Earth?
Ok, I do agree with some of your points on here. For example, revealing the Stargate program would allow us to fully mobilize the free market to take advantage of the technology boom. But there's a side you didn't touch: Earth is by no means a single government state, and the Stargate, by it's very nature, is limited to being in a single location at a time. This means whatever nation controls the Stargate, controls the future of humanity in the galaxy. There are many nations that would take umbrage with the United States, or an international coalition backed by the US, having an effective monopoly on that resource.
I completely agree. Thanks for the video!
I understand why they would want to keep a program like Stargate under wraps at least for a long time. But at the same time, I definitely agree that if they kept something like that sealed up for an extremely extended amount of time, they definitely would have a feeling of betrayal from the populace, who would probably go on to generate massive protests because of the simple loss of trust.
However, even though in the actual story, the program is conducted with multiple countries I don’t really think a country like the US would in any way be willing to share this kind of technology and such with countries like China, Russia, or a few others. However, in doing so , it would make you wonder just how the rest of the world would react if they learned that the United States government was knowingly, hiding and intergalactic highway system of sorts. I can tell you for one thing that a number of countries would be very upset.
I agree they should make this public
It was my problem from day 1 that all these universe shaking events ending with an arm of the US military as an intergalactic power were happening without much civilian input.
So basically, humanity went into the Stargate, FUCKED SHIT UP and effectively took over
The idea that it is still classified is something that should be explored by a series. I mean its what 2023 come on now kids lets let others have a turn in the sandbox.
Now this is the sort of solid Templin content I remember!
I would be all for a *"Stargate Revelations"* Series, centering around, making earth/Humanity a true spacefaring civilisation & not just some teams & agencies that do/know about it!
My personal opinion is the Stargate program have to be revealed to the world once the earth able to make there first starship like BC303 class and BC304 class starship. By that point earth is able to fight alien invasion in equal term so the population of the earth would have to be worried anymore
"person is smart. People are dumb panicking animals" - K Men in black
The key strategic reason to announce is that at present, the earth can call upon the intellectual and industrial power of 100,000 with a tight and unwieldy security regime, whereas public announcement could instantly bring billions of people into earth defense and R&D...
You know, with all the galaxy-impacting events SGC has been involved in, a reveal to the wider public would sound a lot more like the "Moon Bears have taken over the secret American Moon Base" announcement...that would be a good april fools video, Templin
Love your vids they are very inspiring and epic.
Not enought Stargate content out there thanks for the video about my favorite universe.
Glad you haven't dispensed with the lore for this universe yet. Keep it up
To be fair, the end of Stargate Atlantis with a technologically advanced alien city landing off the coast of San Francisco full of American military, makes it hard to keep the program hidden anymore.
In Atlantis’ defense, they were cloaked
You raise a really good point re: the comparison to the Goa'uld. It'd be fascinating if a new Stargate series ran with that and had the tiny elite controlling that technology be the bad guys. Very unlikely that'd happen though.
Also a show with such strong ties to the USAF in real life so consistently opposing letting the wider public know about secrets that so directly impacted our lives and safety does raise a few worrying possibilities.
Totally agree with everything you said and of course Atlantis sitting just of SF adds yet another layer, its revelation alone would be enormous and then throw in the Stargate. TBH I would doubt the secret would have lasted as long as it did in the real world, as you said, the number of people in the know by the time Ely left Earth in SGU, would have 6 figures in it.
I would like to see a show set 15 years or so after SGU is set. Atlantis and the Gate are common knowledge, Stargate Command is based in Atlantis still sitting off SF. Earth has settled several off world colonies, the population of Atlantis is around 40-50,000, mainly scientists, Engineers, Soldiers, support staff and their families. I would like to see a couple of original characters from the original shows for continuity (Sam would be perfect for Command) maybe McKay and John Shephard, you could fit in some Guest roles or even recurring.
In universe, it makes sense that it should be revealed. Story writing-wise, it would be a very difficult challenge. It is possible and it would be very engaging if written well. It would open a whole slew of new possible storylines that would keep SG feeling fresh.
But it is still a hard jump to make. I think one underrecognized part of why SG worked so well was how optimistic the 90s and even the more tense 2000s. That was relative lack of geopolitical tension and level of trust in institutions that made it fun to imagine the military having a secret program but yet being the "good guys" and cooperating between the various nation states. That despite being separate nations, secretly the US was cooperating just fine with US and China to the point of even sharing starships technology.
Today it would make no sense. This means the few ways for SG to work now is diverging the timeline from "our" world (Stargate reveal), but it also mean giving up one of its charms why Stargate worked so well.
On this note, please talk about the fact that in the halo universe, civilians should already know about the flood and the halo array they could go to any former member of the covenant and get that info from them
"without increasing the tax"
and that is one of the most irrealistic part. in one of the episode they state that the program has around 7 billion usd yearly budget, yet not only running a major military base from that, but creating tech and whatnot, including fighter planes (that usual has larger budget if just the next variant of normal tech, not trying to make an ssto and space superiority fighter with jump capability, eg. running three manhatten program alongside a normal fighter develpment.) and developing and producing carrier sized spacecrafts (the stuff that cost more to build on water, than the entire budget, ignoring all the space stuff.)
If Star Gate goes public the problem is we will go at it as venture capitalists and having the most powerful tech and population ready to expand.
I really do hoped there'll be a new Stargate TV series where the Stargate Program and the SGC is publicly well known.
Truly a topic that needs considering in the current day XD
honestly though I love bringing up something like Stargate nowadays cause it feels so weirdly in the past now. I also wanna say, the only issue I see opening the program to the public is that there is only 1 gate on earth and ya know funneling 7 billion people through 1 round hole is kinda insane to consider I know that's a ridiculous point but I feel it needs to be asked Xp
While I agree by the end of the series timeline they really should have went public a LONG time ago, but I wouldn't really consider the Asgard that much more open about sharing then the Gauld, they were just more benevolent in their interactions, but they still displayed themselves as gods to hide their identity and there were factions of the Asgard that where fully willing to experiment on Humans for the advantage of the Asgardians. It wasn't really until the Asgard realised Humans from Earth where likely to show potential and become the "fourth race" that the Asgard started to show direct interest in Earth's Military. Interestingly enough when they gave Earth full access to the sum of their knowledge near the end of the Asgard extinction event is one of the many turning points in the show where the Stargate Program should have been made public for the purpose of Earth's safety. The first time being when Anubis tried to launch a full scale invasion on Earth resulting in a massive aerial dogfight over the antarctic and the use of Ancient Tech and Drone weapons and the last time (in the show timeline) being when Atlantis is parked in the Pacific Ocean just off the shore of California... like I get it was cloaked... but you can't park a full city close enough the land you can easily see what's happening on shore and not have at least one boat of aircraft bump into it no matter how amazing the cloak is.
I think the full on political ramifications ,both foreign and domestic, will be an interesting backdrop to the sequel series.
A reveal would be great but I'd like to see other consequences be addressed. Like when the government killed that journalist in season 2.
I am sure Karen from HR is a Goa'uld, Alistair from Accounts has to be an Ori Commander (Hallowed are the Accounts) and the Boss is a Wraith, if ever I saw one!
To counter this ,
If the Star Gate program was made public then how will battles look intense if you have a butch of knight with spare that shoot plasma go against a few tanks
I totally agree, they need to have the program revealed in the next series (if it ever happens). I imagine having a heavily guarded civilian gateroom for off-world travel similar to the episode 2010, but also retain the SGC using another stargate. Just give the SGC the DHD and route all scheduled dial-ins to the civilian gate, and any unscheduled off-world activations to the SGC.
Has the Templin Institute considered examining any part of the Infinity (by Corvus Belli) universe.
"A person is smart, people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." - K (Men in Black)
It never made sense to keep it secret after anubis’ attack on earth
My personal bet is the reason why it's never revealed is because writers don't want to lose that kind of control over their universe. Top secret technology being unveiled usually leads to civilian third party development, which itself can lead to a very EXPANSIVE amount of growth once the civilian populace essentially has the equivalent of a teleportation door to any point in the universe they want.
As much as I love that kind of depth, that's a lot of extra work for what's essentially a science fiction tv show that got its origins from the whole "Ancient Aliens" trope.
I’m very optimistic on how a Stargate program would be most inevitable for our evolution out into space. So I’d like to see such a program be made public and hopefully that will happen soon enough. 🌌⚛️👍🏻
Very solid thesis, nice job!
I would like to see content on Babylon-5 & Homeworld