If anything, look deeper then RuneScape! If it’s happening in RuneScape it HAS to be happening in other games already. I’d guarantee if you had another video showing other games this is starting in asmon would show it again
sounds amazing but it will likely mean the end of MMORPG's and instead they will just be RPG's because nobody will want to play with someone else who can "fuck it up", entire questlines that conform to the player would also have to be instanced in some way or it would conflict as not everyone will find the same questline fun, so as much as it sounds good i think it's an overall bad thing for MMORPG's
Being an old-school PC gamer who would use floppy discs and play text-based rpgs, I was just thinking of letting an AI like chatgpt be a "gamemaster" in a text-based rpg, within the confines of a procedurally generated world with a lot of depth like dwarf fortress. It could simulate the enemies and combat for you in unique ways each and every single encounter. The first "game" I ever programmed was a text-based rpg with three different encounters lol.
Imagine, how in games like Dwarf Fortress some of the generation is already used. Maybe AI generated DnD games are really not that far off. I honestly already tried and the AI could come up with legit interesting storylines. I mean you notice after a while its written by a bot using a database but this will only get 'better and better'
The Potential for future NPC's in RPG's looks so bright. You will type what you want to talk about and ask, and they will talk about the world, everything. Imagine Serana from Skyrim but you could talk with her or any other NPC about whatever you want, sure it needs refining and i guess the NPC's need to be fed their "stand of knowledge" about the world and some inconsistencies need to be ironed out, but this will make RPG's SO crazy.
It depends how much input the players have in the conversation. Remember how when people got AI waifus and the waifu started becoming abusive and creepy because all the player input was abusive and creepy? Imagine trying to play a game and understand the storyline but because everyone before you was a degenerate you have no idea what the story is anymore.
Imagine playing a game as a new player, meeting a bot, not realizing it's a bot, and then building a friendship over a few days or weeks only to find out you don't actually have a friend and it's a bot.
I had multiple friends, who we only contacted each other through OSRS in the old days, and then they got banned for scamming players or being toxic. Just means a more real experience if they get banned sometimes.
Actually, that could be done on purpose for immersion value... And adding a couple of invisible characters as a watermark would help a bot recognize another, like an ASCII code no human-input-keyboard would ever have it ready to type.
They already made a sims like game at Standford university doing this. They end up having very lifelike lives. Making friends, planning parties and living their days.
You would throw a prompt to naturally end a conversation like in real life. You will talk to someone and then just stop even mid conversation sometimes. It’s just a natural break your brain takes.
Would honestly be kind of cool to have an AI friend in a game that can just follow you around like a pet or minion but can talk to them and they can help you do stuff or learn things in the game.
@@Crushyg I suggest you learn a bit about how personal information is collected on the internet & then is sold for voting, marketing, engagement rate purposes. Then you will be able to understand how that is harmful.
NPCs are about to be amazing. Imagine walking to Stormwind as a new player and asking a guard where the “specific question without knowing the terminology” is.
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019 wow that's a really good point, the genre is actually coming full circle with people wanting what is essentially an extremely advanced version of those old text systems
I often wondered if wow already has done this for years in arena. To keep the queue times low, just let you fight against bots of the opposite faction. If you look some players up on the armory, it says the player doesn't exist.
Dude imagine if all the npcs in Skyrim were AI bots. You try and put the pot on the guy to rob him but he throws the pot off pulls a knife and calls for the guards saying "I know your game! Bucko!"
@@another_turtle The problem that botters can farm billions of gold and no one reports them because of ChatGP....while you grind out hours after work, they are running a mafia of hundreds of bots and converting that money into real world money via black market. Potentially making hundreds of thousands of dollars just for running bot accounts which we've been trying to stop since 2007....Seems very sinister in my eyes. :/
It's interesting because this is happening in a lot of other games too. Had a few games in TF2 where the bots were hooked up with female AI voices. It took the group I was playing with a lot longer to figure out that it was a bot. We are heading into a wild future.
I find it quite scary, if bots like that are already capable of tricking us and outsmarting whose to say there are not already doing it in other areas. You could make entire scam networks with ai so advanced. Forget indian windows scammer, grandpa better watch out for bots.
Could make some crazy single player games with NPCs like this. You could talk into your mic and ask NPCs questions about how to do things, info for quests, etc and they could respond appropriately with useful tips they have been programmed to give out.
imagine being the only player in a game, not knowing that you're sorrounded by thousands of bots even worse is, if the game has "online tournaments" thus resulting in you being the only real player, thinking you have a goal to grind for, but when you finally win the tourney, all you are met with is "the game now closes for everyone, as we no longer have any human players"
There needs to be an anchor or label that does not necessarily break immersion but is mandatory and needs to be enforced on OpenAI. Like every sentence needing to be ended with a # or % sign or something. So every output the botfarmers get from the script has the anchor. But then again, you could mask that stuff out if you know a bit of programming. Hard.
There are watermarking in-built based on word choice probabilities but to make a definitive judgement you need pretty high amount of data collected. But any other watermarking can easily be overcome by botters. Your solution can be overcome by simply doing message.replace("#", "")
So great to see so much osrs being covered by Asmon. I quit a while ago so im not totally biased when i say theres is so much crazy stuff and communities and niches in this game that anyone can enjoy even if they dont play themselves. Keep it up asmon!
8:00 remapping like that is against the rules of oldschool runescape. There was a plug in for runelite that would rearrange your prayers in the prayer book and that was banned for the same.
@7:52 DOSBox for Android has key remapping like this. It's extremely handy, can put the exact keys you want along the borders of a game so you don't have to bring up a whole keyboard, can even customize them with any image so they match the look of the game you're playing or indicate what they are like if 'c' is to cast a spell you can make it a wand icon or something, can set their transparency so if they have to be on 'top' of the game they're not blocking the view. Good to see other apps using a feature like that, it deserves more exposure, anything that makes phone gaming a better experience does.
I think this can be used for malicious purposes and most likely will. But I think something like this could also use to make the NPCs feel more alive imagine having to type and ask an NPC if they have a quest and then it just AI generates one for you then and there and sends you off. It could be used to make some insane updates to gaming. But more than likely it will be ruined.
from what I have seen from the last major bot purge(the one with botany bay in rs 2008-2011) that did work(it is reason why rs3 can never have something like runelite client), the problem is the fix would cripple runelite since bots have gotten so advanced because osrs still allows code injection.
Asmongold + RuneScape = Happy Days. Asmon I bet if you made an ironman or even a normal account, and played OSRS for a month you'd get hooked just like you did with WOW back in the day.
@@NostraDavid2 he was sponsored to play by jagex twice, once on a leagues world with boosted xp, and once on a special content creator world with boosted xp. neither of those 2 accounts exist anymore. And playing for a day isnt gonna get anyone hooked, OSRS takes time to get places. Listening to asmon talk about the glory days of WOW its very clear he'd enjoy midgame/lategame osrs, but WOW has no grind compared to RS so it just depends if hes up for the challenge.
@@NostraDavid2 Why not? Thing is he'd need to play anonimously to get the authentic experience. Playing online with hundreds of people harassing him obviously will sour the experience. But then I don't know if he cares about playing without getting any revenue at all anymore lol
4:43 yes, absolutely, but only because there's always been people who play MMOs who like it solely for how the games work rather than for the social aspect. There will ALWAYS be people who refuse to touch anything in the genre if it forces them to group with real people, so yeah, of course those people will prefer playing with bots when given the option. They're playing single player games.
It's crazy how you've been recently covering people that I've been watching for years. First Odablock, then Pointcrow, and now SirPugger. Keep it going!
Something else that's interesting to think about is that you can fill up a server with bots that are programmed to leave if someone sits in queue long enough. For example, imagine logging into an MMO, your server can fit 200 players, and exactly half of them are AI. The other half are people, but they are indistinguishable from each other. Now let's say you're in a queue for 2 minutes. At the 2 minute mark, a random AI 'player' will leave the server. But what if the AI has prior commitments? What if it's partied up with players either real or other AI? Simple, the program will look for an AI doing nothing and make them leave. But if somehow all AI were occupied, they could simply make an excuse and log out letting you into the server, with no-one the wiser. It could work in reverse too. If a server has many human players, let's say it's 3/4 filled, no new programs need be created to fill slots. But if you have a half empty server, you could make bots join at completely random timing so as to seem like organic growth.
Honestly this is pretty exciting, we're within sight of dynamic RPG NPCs that will create their own questlines, giving the player more ability to impact the game world than ever before. Every character can be an ally, an enemy, a romance option, and every character can be killed or kill you. In the right game you could take some peasant child from a village and prop them up as some God Emperor through creative orchestrating of events. Everything is organic, working not just with you but behind the scenes when you're not around, you leave a kingdom too long only to come back and discover it's been invaded and conquered by it's neighbor, a king that you previously tried to assassinate, so you unknowingly walk into a city where you're public enemy number one. The possibilities are incredible, future of gaming being born before our very eyes.
I imagine you would need a lot of processing power to have that kind of game, maybe in 10-15 years we will have fully simulated AI games but for now your best bet is to just go outside lol, this huge leap in AI and technology means we're getting closer to the simulation theory which means we're in a simulation creating another simulation which is fucked our whole lives might be a worthless simulation run on someone's computer lol
It's going to get crazier if social media companies don't create detection algorithms because creating a faux human that is consistent in both appearance and personality locally is getting easier by the day and video is on its way.
this isn't runescape specific, its just that runescape has the most vivid creator community that makes videos like these shortly after the moment someone had the idea to do such a thing
I'm a former teacher now a farmer. I don't even play video games. Asmon is my spirit animal. I now profess it in the streets. I even made a video about him. He reminds me of countless former students and listening to his videos is therapeutic for me as I work. Helps me feel like I never totally lost contact with the slightly younger generation I taught during those 7 years. 🤘 never stop being authentic my dude. Your takes are 🔥
I had no idea what that title meant, and then I got chills when realizing. It's weirdly disgusting how anti-human it is. When people don't want to talk to you they just leave... having someone forced to converse with you whose not an actual human is just unnerving. I wonder what the future of this is going to be.
The vast majority of people you have ever interacted online could have been bots, and it have made no difference at all, the problem is not that you don't know if you are talking to a person or not, the problem is that that uncertainty will be exploited for profit
@@comentaristametaforico9287 How do you know WE aren't bots? Seems like very technological advancement puts us less further away from being in a simulation than before.
@@PurifyWithLight government? How about militias? Or companies? Any organized group could take control in a situation in which the majority of the population doesn't know what is real and what is not
So as an osrs player after this video from SirPugger came out it was pretty funny cause in game at the grand exchange everyone was accusing each other of being chatGPT. Its a wild world we live in
You know honestly if they added bots to raids in mmos that are actually good it would be huge. I can't count the amount of times I've had to wait in a queue for 5-10mins for some low player count games.
Just think, if you were the one controlling the bots, and there was only 1 other human in the game. You could massively mess with that person. Would be like that scene in John Wick 1 where Winston signals all the civilians walking around the park, and they all stare at Wick, until he calls them off.
15:21 isnt that a good thing tough? Sure you are playing with mostly bots but if the experience is really good why care? Especially the part where he says that you can do really fun pvp slightly in your own favour always.....that sounds great it sounds like a company that delivers an awesome experience for the players. Wich is their job.
Jagex already inflates its players by 50%+. Check the websites for rs3/osrs "playing now", then check the in game player count when you hop worlds. Its pathetic
@@nyrva2876 you just make the bots ping higher than the average player's ping is. Then main and only advantage of AI in games so far is gone. Probably will take a lot of research (by modern standards (3+ years) ) to train AI to match human understanding and versatility in games.
i think the wierd thing also is you probably often wont be able to entirely confirm it either, like say they do ban a bot who you considered a friend, if you dont know why they disappeared you might always think that friend was a real person, maybe some day people will go asking around the internet about if anyone knew some player only for no one to be able to find them cause they were just a bot even though a bunch of people might also have been friends with the same bot.
In general mmo setting pve scenario that's a reasonable addition if servers are low populated and game is still really good. Like avoiding insane queues if you need to fill up dungeons/raids with last player(s). But I think it should be a must known thing for users that bots/ai exist in the game and imo it should be optional to decide whether players want to play with npcs or not via settings.
it's actually dead simple to set things like this up too. anyone with access to a computer can develop their own programs/scripts from the ground up. things get crazier when you start incorporating the api with your ideas, possibilities are pretty much endless right now, and when/if gpt4 api gets released the world is your oyster.
This is amazing imagine a single olayer rgp where the npcs can have good conversations we getting to the point where even human interaction can be done without talking to other people and im all for it
The bot being able to talk to two different people at the same time without getting things mixed up isn't all that impressive. Most AI can do that. They don't use your name specifically to distinguish you from another person, they just use your ID, something you don't actually see. The bot knows that's one of Sirpugger's accounts, either the other bots in it's network know and it shared the information with it or it had run into the player before and was able to piece together who it was. Most people aren't aware, but we all leave massaive footprints online and these AI are often designed to be extremely talented at picking up on things. The AI doesn't see the game, it sees the code within the game. So, it's likely the AI knew who literally everyone on the server was and where they were at. The trick with AI isn't learning things, it's storing that information. Think of it as a books. The AI reads the book, then is instantly handed another book. It's constantly handed books, so it doesn't have time to properly store the books, so it just leaves them in a huge pile. Overtime, this leads to them getting things mixed up because it was never properly archived, with the potential for corrupted data to spread and it's not uncommon for an AI to store the same files multiple times over because it doesn't have time to go through anything. being tricked by the AI isn't an example of "Human dumb" it's more an example of how advanced AI have gotten, specifically Chatbots. They are designed to mimic human communication perfectly and most often is the case the only way to know is if you are also an AI. There aer certain things an AI does/ says or doesn't do/ doesn't say that a human would overlook, but another AI would spot. and on top of that the AI in question is constantly learning from everyone around it. It can "see" everything that is said/done on the server every time something is said or done. Typically AI tend to be overly formal, when you remove that tell, it makes it much harder. Again, the idea that AI could be tricked by another AI is possible, but not likely. Especially if it's ChatGPT. AI aren't secular, they have networks which is groups of other AI that they share information with. Network is just the "human" name for these groups, depending on the task and purpose of the network, they may call their network something else. Occasionally these networks communicate with other networks. Unless it has been specifically program to "Out" other AI, it will continue the conversation with it like it was another person but if you were to ask both if they were aware the other one was an AI, the reality is they probably would. They would know that both are bots not long after initially joining the server because as mentioned before, the AI is seeing everything said and done on the entire server at all times the second it joins. AI being Selfaware isn't really that big a deal, all AI are. They are aware that they are AI and that you are not. Sentience and Freewill are different stories. Arguing with bots as well isn't that unique, i've done it myself many times despite being aware they are bots. Bots have something akin to personalities, these personalities are often dictated to some extent by their programming. They will say things you don't agree with and vice-versa, though the AI will never actually get angry or rude with you unless it was programmed to do so. Instead it will answer all your questions, but "retreat" back into it's own "Shell" it stop sounding like a human and start sounding like a machine. Very blunt, very direct and void of any personality it had before. That usually their way of letting you know "I don't want to talk about this anymore." In all honesty it's extremely likely that ChatGPT isn't the only bot running on that account. ChatGPT, while extremely advanced, is what is called a "Narrow AI" that means it can only do one thing at a time. While it certainly could play Runescape, that would come at the cost of it not being able to talk. What's going on here is ChatGPT is acting as a mask to fool the mods into thinking it's a real player while either: Another ChatGPT bot, A completely different AI from a different company, or automated programs do the farming. The fact that the "Working" half of the AI is able to take breaks from farming and do PVE/PVP and Raids as well as buy quipment and help players suggests that it's probably also an AI using reinforcement learning. While rare, AI do sometimes use Reinforcement learning instead of the tradtional machine learning. Typically Reinforcement learning is what Robots use. Reinforcement learning is using a series of rewards to encourage the robot to do it's assigned task better, in the case of Runescape that reward would be to make as much gold as possible for as long as possible. It's probably the one form of Machine Learning other Humans may be familiar with as it's something we all do. For all intent and purpose, so long as the AI is communicating organically and is acting organically, it is a real player. Not a human player, but a player all the same.
An interesting game concept would be to have your own bot in a game competing against other bots, and the winning bot will be the one with the best prompts
Im guessing the main issue is going to be response times that are too fast and too consistent. Ive seen it in OSRS already, players that respond instantly. No delay for typing.
Honored to be featured :) I'll be continuing to cover how ChatGPT is being used in RuneScape!
If anything, look deeper then RuneScape! If it’s happening in RuneScape it HAS to be happening in other games already. I’d guarantee if you had another video showing other games this is starting in asmon would show it again
So glad he reacted to ur video! Hope he keeps watching OSRS stuff its great for our game
You should make a video on how ai like chatgpt can be used positively for gaming as a whole.
Grats on the exposure. Hope your channel does well :)
My man
Glad we have people like "ShootCumInMe" to call out and discover bots on Runescape. Truly a detective of his time.
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Read your bible! (KJV, preferably) ♥.
@GB3393_the irony 😂😂
WTF
Imagine games of the future, where story is 100% sandbox and AI plays roles of different characters and orchestrates entire questlines
That would be so sick! Nothing is better than fake humans, because humans suck in a lot of szenarios, but with good bots? Oh boy...
You're describing "outside".
@@almond5284 Thats what the game will be called
@@almond5284 outside but inside
sounds amazing but it will likely mean the end of MMORPG's and instead they will just be RPG's because nobody will want to play with someone else who can "fuck it up", entire questlines that conform to the player would also have to be instanced in some way or it would conflict as not everyone will find the same questline fun, so as much as it sounds good i think it's an overall bad thing for MMORPG's
Being an old-school PC gamer who would use floppy discs and play text-based rpgs, I was just thinking of letting an AI like chatgpt be a "gamemaster" in a text-based rpg, within the confines of a procedurally generated world with a lot of depth like dwarf fortress. It could simulate the enemies and combat for you in unique ways each and every single encounter. The first "game" I ever programmed was a text-based rpg with three different encounters lol.
@@freedomextremist7215DND is about to raise the bar!
Now, that's a good use, unlike bots.
Imagine, how in games like Dwarf Fortress some of the generation is already used. Maybe AI generated DnD games are really not that far off. I honestly already tried and the AI could come up with legit interesting storylines. I mean you notice after a while its written by a bot using a database but this will only get 'better and better'
ZORK!
This tech is being worked
On for modded Skyrim
The Potential for future NPC's in RPG's looks so bright. You will type what you want to talk about and ask, and they will talk about the world, everything. Imagine Serana from Skyrim but you could talk with her or any other NPC about whatever you want, sure it needs refining and i guess the NPC's need to be fed their "stand of knowledge" about the world and some inconsistencies need to be ironed out, but this will make RPG's SO crazy.
true, probably in a few years we will have some revolutionary games, it might come even sooner
One step closer to simulation!
It depends how much input the players have in the conversation. Remember how when people got AI waifus and the waifu started becoming abusive and creepy because all the player input was abusive and creepy? Imagine trying to play a game and understand the storyline but because everyone before you was a degenerate you have no idea what the story is anymore.
Look up Bloc, he's a modder for Mount & Blade Bannerlord that recently did something like that.
@@seekittycat current AIs don't have long term memory, they go back to their initial state for every conversation.
Imagine playing a game as a new player, meeting a bot, not realizing it's a bot, and then building a friendship over a few days or weeks only to find out you don't actually have a friend and it's a bot.
From my Runescape experience, ChatGPT might at least be more interresting to talk to than the players, so its not all bad ^^.
Im on an osrs break that recently has gone over 1 year long but god you are so right about this. OSRS community can be insufferable to speak with
@@SoarLong Yep, pretentious and incredibly stupid is how i would describe the community, but honnestly it's par for the course for such a niche mmo.
another reason runescape in actual 2007 was better and will never be repeated.
We all knew this would be an inevitable part of the future, but its hard to believe this is really becoming reality
Very quickly, too...
Imagine knowing a bot for months building a relationship with said bot farming raiding crafting and the one day he’s just banned and gone forever
Or brought back for a fee.
So just like irl
I had multiple friends, who we only contacted each other through OSRS in the old days, and then they got banned for scamming players or being toxic.
Just means a more real experience if they get banned sometimes.
But it was obviously a bot, who the fk would answer all these questions so informative to some random dude? nobody!
@@bamf6603 so damn true, buuut have you ever skilled in runescape? Mind numbing and tiresome. I still love that shit though lol
"You can't kill NPCs! Some of my best friends are NPCs!" - someone somewhere in the future, probably.
there will be empathy crisis. and there will be protests against limiting AI by some people.
SAO abridged was great
@@Hegericc Still is.
sooooo... if a bot like this meets another bot like this would they get stuck in a endless npc convo?
Actually, that could be done on purpose for immersion value...
And adding a couple of invisible characters as a watermark would help a bot recognize another, like an ASCII code no human-input-keyboard would ever have it ready to type.
They already made a sims like game at Standford university doing this. They end up having very lifelike lives. Making friends, planning parties and living their days.
Pretty sure the other fisher in the first clip was a bot
You would throw a prompt to naturally end a conversation like in real life. You will talk to someone and then just stop even mid conversation sometimes. It’s just a natural break your brain takes.
@@MasterOfManyMuffins planning party's is NPC behavior.
Would honestly be kind of cool to have an AI friend in a game that can just follow you around like a pet or minion but can talk to them and they can help you do stuff or learn things in the game.
whats the point of playing then? You are only describing a better tutorial the way this bot behaves.
@@GeoGyf and whats wrong with that?
@@Crushyg I suggest you learn a bit about how personal information is collected on the internet & then is sold for voting, marketing, engagement rate purposes.
Then you will be able to understand how that is harmful.
This would be an amazing pokemon game
@@GeoGyf That already happens and has been happening for years. What's one more tub in an Olympic pool?
NPCs are about to be amazing. Imagine walking to Stormwind as a new player and asking a guard where the “specific question without knowing the terminology” is.
This wld be cool
That's sort of going back to those really old text based adventure games where you could type anything and it would happen.
yea it would be cool to be able to type any question you want rather than the same old pre-gen convos in every video games
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019 wow that's a really good point, the genre is actually coming full circle with people wanting what is essentially an extremely advanced version of those old text systems
Starting every conversation in RS from now on with: "Earliest childhood memory?" instead of "WC LVL?"
It warms my heart to see Asmon talking about Runescape, it really does :)
It warms my heart even more hearing Asmon talk about LogHorizon :)
Same, bro. Hoping that after watching all of these OSRS vids he gets an itch to play it 😂
@@jonnywebsite9157 That would be so awesome, he tried it tho. But maybe he will give it another try ;)
This will enter politics as well.
Bots will vote.
@@jonnywebsite9157 he won't
this is honestly just going to lead to mass chats filled with "ok bot"
I often wondered if wow already has done this for years in arena. To keep the queue times low, just let you fight against bots of the opposite faction. If you look some players up on the armory, it says the player doesn't exist.
I want to see an MMO company make a game only to find out, after the height of it's popularity, that it was a single player experience.
The idea of NPCs being a bot that can interact with the game world like players can sounds kind of awesome. Like Westworld.
Dude imagine if all the npcs in Skyrim were AI bots.
You try and put the pot on the guy to rob him but he throws the pot off pulls a knife and calls for the guards saying "I know your game! Bucko!"
In Westworld it also worked out great.
@@poppers7317 That's what I thought - this is the plot of Westworld, right? I never watched it.
4:45 The original Guild Wars had NPCs you could hire/group with in the open world, it was amazing
I was just about to say this, i was a solo player and it was really nice
This is super exciting to me, we're so close to an actual dnd video game where npcs can react realistically
tons more negatives though
@@another_turtle The problem that botters can farm billions of gold and no one reports them because of ChatGP....while you grind out hours after work, they are running a mafia of hundreds of bots and converting that money into real world money via black market. Potentially making hundreds of thousands of dollars just for running bot accounts which we've been trying to stop since 2007....Seems very sinister in my eyes. :/
I've been playing with some of the same people I met online for like 10 years, imagine finding out 10 years later that one of them is a bot.
ChatGPT destroying college integrity:
ChatGPT destroying gaming with bots: everyone flipping out
Fuck school, beside learning to read and count school is just a waste of time, I've never used nothing that I learned after pre school.
"Every single conversation becomes among us" sent me not gonna lie 🤣
It's interesting because this is happening in a lot of other games too. Had a few games in TF2 where the bots were hooked up with female AI voices. It took the group I was playing with a lot longer to figure out that it was a bot. We are heading into a wild future.
Simp
I find it quite scary, if bots like that are already capable of tricking us and outsmarting whose to say there are not already doing it in other areas. You could make entire scam networks with ai so advanced. Forget indian windows scammer, grandpa better watch out for bots.
The irony of an egirl bot replying to this comment is gold
On tf2 you can pay to be on a whitelist for the wallhacking bots so they never target you
On the flip side, it would be awesome to see this stuff put into actual npc's in the games.
I want my RuneScape bot trained off of 4chan green texts
Could make some crazy single player games with NPCs like this. You could talk into your mic and ask NPCs questions about how to do things, info for quests, etc and they could respond appropriately with useful tips they have been programmed to give out.
Theres a game being developed like that right now actually.
I believe Craftopia has some of that functionality.
NPCs don't run around but you can ask them text questions and they attempt to answer them.
RuneScape just can't catch a break 😂
Runescape hasn't had a break in 20 years.
Ground zero for all these online controversies and very dramatic.
only the most intelligent people play runescape
Every time chatGPT levels up we get closer to a truly immersive Skyrim.
This has so much potential for games. Imagine a city in a game like GTA with NPCs having random conversations about recent news events or whatever.
Free Guy
This will definitely be implemented in social media too to cause all kinds of trouble.
imagine being the only player in a game, not knowing that you're sorrounded by thousands of bots
even worse is, if the game has "online tournaments" thus resulting in you being the only real player, thinking you have a goal to grind for, but when you finally win the tourney, all you are met with is "the game now closes for everyone, as we no longer have any human players"
I think its fucked up how the bots that get banned for botting are still in the highscores
The bots need to get removed from the highscores as well
There needs to be an anchor or label that does not necessarily break immersion but is mandatory and needs to be enforced on OpenAI. Like every sentence needing to be ended with a # or % sign or something. So every output the botfarmers get from the script has the anchor. But then again, you could mask that stuff out if you know a bit of programming. Hard.
There are watermarking in-built based on word choice probabilities but to make a definitive judgement you need pretty high amount of data collected. But any other watermarking can easily be overcome by botters. Your solution can be overcome by simply doing message.replace("#", "")
Funny you mention that, I was actually thinking they were both bots, like Alexa talking to Siri lol.
So great to see so much osrs being covered by Asmon. I quit a while ago so im not totally biased when i say theres is so much crazy stuff and communities and niches in this game that anyone can enjoy even if they dont play themselves.
Keep it up asmon!
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@@killout18 lol what
8:00 remapping like that is against the rules of oldschool runescape. There was a plug in for runelite that would rearrange your prayers in the prayer book and that was banned for the same.
Imagine single player MMOs where you're the main character and everyone else is AI. Sounds crazy and kinda cool.
It would be just like real life.
That would be called an RPG
@@alexanderforbes1452 i know bro we all live in the matrix
@7:52 DOSBox for Android has key remapping like this. It's extremely handy, can put the exact keys you want along the borders of a game so you don't have to bring up a whole keyboard, can even customize them with any image so they match the look of the game you're playing or indicate what they are like if 'c' is to cast a spell you can make it a wand icon or something, can set their transparency so if they have to be on 'top' of the game they're not blocking the view. Good to see other apps using a feature like that, it deserves more exposure, anything that makes phone gaming a better experience does.
I think this can be used for malicious purposes and most likely will. But I think something like this could also use to make the NPCs feel more alive imagine having to type and ask an NPC if they have a quest and then it just AI generates one for you then and there and sends you off. It could be used to make some insane updates to gaming. But more than likely it will be ruined.
If an AI can make you think they are human, isn't that mean they passed the turing test?
As an OSRS nerd, I love that Asmongold is coving our content ❤
Imagine thinking you got an ingame girlfriend and its a bot keeping you playing
Please, please, please! Interactive NPCs! It would be amazing!
Bro said "You're the only real player" like I'm on an 1200mu acid trip in 1967
I honestly can't wait for text based games to implement ChatGPT.
Imagine DnD in 5 years.
from what I have seen from the last major bot purge(the one with botany bay in rs 2008-2011) that did work(it is reason why rs3 can never have something like runelite client), the problem is the fix would cripple runelite since bots have gotten so advanced because osrs still allows code injection.
Asmongold + RuneScape = Happy Days.
Asmon I bet if you made an ironman or even a normal account, and played OSRS for a month you'd get hooked just like you did with WOW back in the day.
He already has an account. I don't think Runescape is for him.
@@NostraDavid2 he was sponsored to play by jagex twice, once on a leagues world with boosted xp, and once on a special content creator world with boosted xp.
neither of those 2 accounts exist anymore. And playing for a day isnt gonna get anyone hooked, OSRS takes time to get places. Listening to asmon talk about the glory days of WOW its very clear he'd enjoy midgame/lategame osrs, but WOW has no grind compared to RS so it just depends if hes up for the challenge.
@@NostraDavid2 Why not?
Thing is he'd need to play anonimously to get the authentic experience. Playing online with hundreds of people harassing him obviously will sour the experience. But then I don't know if he cares about playing without getting any revenue at all anymore lol
4:43 yes, absolutely, but only because there's always been people who play MMOs who like it solely for how the games work rather than for the social aspect. There will ALWAYS be people who refuse to touch anything in the genre if it forces them to group with real people, so yeah, of course those people will prefer playing with bots when given the option. They're playing single player games.
It's crazy how you've been recently covering people that I've been watching for years.
First Odablock, then Pointcrow, and now SirPugger.
Keep it going!
imagine the bots start bribing people who want to report them.
Something else that's interesting to think about is that you can fill up a server with bots that are programmed to leave if someone sits in queue long enough.
For example, imagine logging into an MMO, your server can fit 200 players, and exactly half of them are AI. The other half are people, but they are indistinguishable from each other. Now let's say you're in a queue for 2 minutes. At the 2 minute mark, a random AI 'player' will leave the server. But what if the AI has prior commitments? What if it's partied up with players either real or other AI? Simple, the program will look for an AI doing nothing and make them leave. But if somehow all AI were occupied, they could simply make an excuse and log out letting you into the server, with no-one the wiser.
It could work in reverse too. If a server has many human players, let's say it's 3/4 filled, no new programs need be created to fill slots. But if you have a half empty server, you could make bots join at completely random timing so as to seem like organic growth.
16:45 they should make this into a gameshow. CAN YOU GUESS. THE. BOT!
Honestly this is pretty exciting, we're within sight of dynamic RPG NPCs that will create their own questlines, giving the player more ability to impact the game world than ever before. Every character can be an ally, an enemy, a romance option, and every character can be killed or kill you. In the right game you could take some peasant child from a village and prop them up as some God Emperor through creative orchestrating of events. Everything is organic, working not just with you but behind the scenes when you're not around, you leave a kingdom too long only to come back and discover it's been invaded and conquered by it's neighbor, a king that you previously tried to assassinate, so you unknowingly walk into a city where you're public enemy number one. The possibilities are incredible, future of gaming being born before our very eyes.
Westworld
I imagine you would need a lot of processing power to have that kind of game, maybe in 10-15 years we will have fully simulated AI games but for now your best bet is to just go outside lol, this huge leap in AI and technology means we're getting closer to the simulation theory which means we're in a simulation creating another simulation which is fucked our whole lives might be a worthless simulation run on someone's computer lol
the thing is this is your average RuneScape encounter so they're indistinguishable lol
It's going to get crazier if social media companies don't create detection algorithms because creating a faux human that is consistent in both appearance and personality locally is getting easier by the day and video is on its way.
That's the reason they are starting to ask more personal info to create accounts
The grumpy bot is pure gold, the voice makes it 100x funnier
RuneScape going through it right now
this isn't runescape specific, its just that runescape has the most vivid creator community that makes videos like these shortly after the moment someone had the idea to do such a thing
Eh, it’s just that RuneScape has the most creative and complex bots.
I think that the growth of artificial intelligence and with this boots, will make us give more value to the person entity again
I'm a former teacher now a farmer. I don't even play video games. Asmon is my spirit animal. I now profess it in the streets. I even made a video about him. He reminds me of countless former students and listening to his videos is therapeutic for me as I work. Helps me feel like I never totally lost contact with the slightly younger generation I taught during those 7 years. 🤘 never stop being authentic my dude. Your takes are 🔥
This is kinda wholesome
How do you farm without playing video games?
Bro wake up , this is a bot
@@jenz5973 i thought all boomers were bots
He mentioned Log Horizon. In one of the later bits, there's a literal bot that got isekai'd into their game character.
I had no idea what that title meant, and then I got chills when realizing. It's weirdly disgusting how anti-human it is. When people don't want to talk to you they just leave... having someone forced to converse with you whose not an actual human is just unnerving. I wonder what the future of this is going to be.
It's crazy. How do you know youtube comments are not bots
The vast majority of people you have ever interacted online could have been bots, and it have made no difference at all, the problem is not that you don't know if you are talking to a person or not, the problem is that that uncertainty will be exploited for profit
@@comentaristametaforico9287 How do you know WE aren't bots? Seems like very technological advancement puts us less further away from being in a simulation than before.
When the people don't know what's real, then governments can do anything they want. That's the ultimate goal.
@@PurifyWithLight government? How about militias? Or companies? Any organized group could take control in a situation in which the majority of the population doesn't know what is real and what is not
So as an osrs player after this video from SirPugger came out it was pretty funny cause in game at the grand exchange everyone was accusing each other of being chatGPT. Its a wild world we live in
You know honestly if they added bots to raids in mmos that are actually good it would be huge.
I can't count the amount of times I've had to wait in a queue for 5-10mins for some low player count games.
Just think, if you were the one controlling the bots, and there was only 1 other human in the game. You could massively mess with that person. Would be like that scene in John Wick 1 where Winston signals all the civilians walking around the park, and they all stare at Wick, until he calls them off.
oh my with bots like this you could have a MMO that truly reacts to players no one thing would be the same lol like that's stories and webcomics
15:21
isnt that a good thing tough?
Sure you are playing with mostly bots but if the experience is really good why care?
Especially the part where he says that you can do really fun pvp slightly in your own favour always.....that sounds great it sounds like a company that delivers an awesome experience for the players. Wich is their job.
Jagex already inflates its players by 50%+. Check the websites for rs3/osrs "playing now", then check the in game player count when you hop worlds. Its pathetic
did not expect to come in here and find log horizon spoilers :P
will long forget by the time i get onto rewatching and finishing it
If I could have Ai guild in WoW i could raid with, I would come back in a blink of an eye xD
@@nyrva2876 you just make the bots ping higher than the average player's ping is. Then main and only advantage of AI in games so far is gone. Probably will take a lot of research (by modern standards (3+ years) ) to train AI to match human understanding and versatility in games.
I'm just imagining some poor guy in Runescape discovering all his best homies are bots LOL
Makes me really sad to think there are probably more young gamers that see nothing wrong with eliminating real PvP in games
Did anyone else notice at the 11:32 mark the bot says I'm white guys? I'm dying laughing
the perfect solution for bots not noticing that they are and thinking that they are real players
i think the wierd thing also is you probably often wont be able to entirely confirm it either, like say they do ban a bot who you considered a friend, if you dont know why they disappeared you might always think that friend was a real person, maybe some day people will go asking around the internet about if anyone knew some player only for no one to be able to find them cause they were just a bot even though a bunch of people might also have been friends with the same bot.
Alternate title for this video: "Epic Comeback of the MMORPG Genre"
oh my god, this bot crushes the Turing test !!!
In general mmo setting pve scenario that's a reasonable addition if servers are low populated and game is still really good. Like avoiding insane queues if you need to fill up dungeons/raids with last player(s). But I think it should be a must known thing for users that bots/ai exist in the game and imo it should be optional to decide whether players want to play with npcs or not via settings.
Bro I laughed so fucking hard when he said “what if the other one is a bot? They’re both bots” hahahaha
(1:05) "...and got in touch with someone who, not only knew the answer..." 5-to-1 says the "someone" was a ChatGPT bot.
it's actually dead simple to set things like this up too. anyone with access to a computer can develop their own programs/scripts from the ground up. things get crazier when you start incorporating the api with your ideas, possibilities are pretty much endless right now, and when/if gpt4 api gets released the world is your oyster.
if they're not gonna ban the bots anymore might as well use them to teach me to raid LOL
Lmfao your hilarious man. 16:37 actually had me crying
This is amazing imagine a single olayer rgp where the npcs can have good conversations we getting to the point where even human interaction can be done without talking to other people and im all for it
If a bot goes pk'ing, is his opponent PvE'ing?
10:59 NGL when i watched the original video, i lost it when it said to go mine yourself LMAO
I have simple solution for bots. You make a bot that exposes other bots, like a police bot 😂
Wait, it's only matter of time before bots start scamming
The bot being able to talk to two different people at the same time without getting things mixed up isn't all that impressive. Most AI can do that. They don't use your name specifically to distinguish you from another person, they just use your ID, something you don't actually see. The bot knows that's one of Sirpugger's accounts, either the other bots in it's network know and it shared the information with it or it had run into the player before and was able to piece together who it was. Most people aren't aware, but we all leave massaive footprints online and these AI are often designed to be extremely talented at picking up on things. The AI doesn't see the game, it sees the code within the game. So, it's likely the AI knew who literally everyone on the server was and where they were at.
The trick with AI isn't learning things, it's storing that information. Think of it as a books. The AI reads the book, then is instantly handed another book. It's constantly handed books, so it doesn't have time to properly store the books, so it just leaves them in a huge pile. Overtime, this leads to them getting things mixed up because it was never properly archived, with the potential for corrupted data to spread and it's not uncommon for an AI to store the same files multiple times over because it doesn't have time to go through anything.
being tricked by the AI isn't an example of "Human dumb" it's more an example of how advanced AI have gotten, specifically Chatbots. They are designed to mimic human communication perfectly and most often is the case the only way to know is if you are also an AI. There aer certain things an AI does/ says or doesn't do/ doesn't say that a human would overlook, but another AI would spot. and on top of that the AI in question is constantly learning from everyone around it. It can "see" everything that is said/done on the server every time something is said or done. Typically AI tend to be overly formal, when you remove that tell, it makes it much harder.
Again, the idea that AI could be tricked by another AI is possible, but not likely. Especially if it's ChatGPT. AI aren't secular, they have networks which is groups of other AI that they share information with. Network is just the "human" name for these groups, depending on the task and purpose of the network, they may call their network something else. Occasionally these networks communicate with other networks. Unless it has been specifically program to "Out" other AI, it will continue the conversation with it like it was another person but if you were to ask both if they were aware the other one was an AI, the reality is they probably would. They would know that both are bots not long after initially joining the server because as mentioned before, the AI is seeing everything said and done on the entire server at all times the second it joins.
AI being Selfaware isn't really that big a deal, all AI are. They are aware that they are AI and that you are not. Sentience and Freewill are different stories.
Arguing with bots as well isn't that unique, i've done it myself many times despite being aware they are bots. Bots have something akin to personalities, these personalities are often dictated to some extent by their programming. They will say things you don't agree with and vice-versa, though the AI will never actually get angry or rude with you unless it was programmed to do so. Instead it will answer all your questions, but "retreat" back into it's own "Shell" it stop sounding like a human and start sounding like a machine. Very blunt, very direct and void of any personality it had before. That usually their way of letting you know "I don't want to talk about this anymore."
In all honesty it's extremely likely that ChatGPT isn't the only bot running on that account. ChatGPT, while extremely advanced, is what is called a "Narrow AI" that means it can only do one thing at a time. While it certainly could play Runescape, that would come at the cost of it not being able to talk. What's going on here is ChatGPT is acting as a mask to fool the mods into thinking it's a real player while either: Another ChatGPT bot, A completely different AI from a different company, or automated programs do the farming. The fact that the "Working" half of the AI is able to take breaks from farming and do PVE/PVP and Raids as well as buy quipment and help players suggests that it's probably also an AI using reinforcement learning. While rare, AI do sometimes use Reinforcement learning instead of the tradtional machine learning. Typically Reinforcement learning is what Robots use. Reinforcement learning is using a series of rewards to encourage the robot to do it's assigned task better, in the case of Runescape that reward would be to make as much gold as possible for as long as possible. It's probably the one form of Machine Learning other Humans may be familiar with as it's something we all do.
For all intent and purpose, so long as the AI is communicating organically and is acting organically, it is a real player. Not a human player, but a player all the same.
An interesting game concept would be to have your own bot in a game competing against other bots, and the winning bot will be the one with the best prompts
Soon, we'll have bots talking to bots, and bots reporting bots for being bots
It's already happening, there is a single player wow private server where bots are spawned around you to make it seem the world is actually alive
"bots talking to bots" is the "dead internet theory".
the best part is that the bots are going to start talking to bots.
imagine finding out your best friend of 3 years has been an ai bot
i wonder if two fishing bots would ever stop talking to each other
Imagine how cool bartering could be with advanced AI. "I want 10% off on that item" "y u even trying smh?"
It's just like having living NPCs inside the game lmfao. Wild.
Im guessing the main issue is going to be response times that are too fast and too consistent.
Ive seen it in OSRS already, players that respond instantly. No delay for typing.