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- here I review JBLL82 classic .
using a variety of amplifiers .
Quad elite 140 watts with linn wakonda.
Akai am73 vintage 1988 100 watts
Sansui 881 vintage receiver 60 watts
audiogold.co.uk/.
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It's always a good day when Kelvin uploads another video. Cheers!
Dunno if you guys gives a shit but if you're bored like me atm then you can watch all the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. Been binge watching with my gf these days :)
@Chandler Darius Yup, I've been watching on instaflixxer for since november myself :D
@Chandler Darius definitely, have been using instaflixxer for months myself :D
Good one. Really liked the comments on amplifier matching, please give us more of that whenever you're talking about speakers. Also that shop is doing itself a favour by working with you.
Thanks Kelvin, always enjoy your video’s.
I use to visit Audiogold a lot years ago when I lived in Finchley, to buy their records. My best bit of vintage gear is a NAD 3020B from 1985, love the sound of that amp. All best from Rob.
I love the passion you have for audio equipment.
It's something I can relate too.
Thanks Kelvin,. They are nice sharp looking speakers and look excellent on their stands
Offset tweeters help with edge diffraction and I'm glad they mirrored these instead of keeping the baffles the same for each side which would be loss and performance. Another great video good to see you again!
Another excellent review really enjoy your down to earth approach to reviews thanks Kelvin.
I own a pair of JBL 100. With Sansui au 717....... Heaven on earth Kevin. Nice and correct revieuw..... keep going on what you do is what we oldies need.... and the Young one can learn a lot.... 👍👍👍👍
Yeah and within a couple of months they went from $180 to $360 US dollars.
Great review Kelvin. Very thorough and informative.
New to your channel and I am a lover of old school Hi-Fi gear. In the 70's and 80's I used to sell JBL in Germany to US military. My favorite JBL was the 4311 speakers. Those were used in most recording studio control rooms back in the day. You should see if you can borrow some of those and give them a try. Enjoyed your video.
Great story! I‘ve noticed a 4311 in Abbey Road studios during the Beatles era.
@@seventeendegree George Martin brought those home after overseeing the Mixing of A Hard Days Night in L.A. The stereo mixes were shit but he loved the JBL monitors.
A company by the name of, Kenrick Sound in Japan does complete refurbishments to mint condition on all of the JBL 4000 Series monitors, Rey Audio's gigantic monitors, Yamaha's NS series and rare Technics monitors.
When Kenrick have done their thing, the monitors are practically brand new, with a few upgrades to boot!
Catch them on TH-cam.
They're near-field studio monitors. The tweeter's offset design allows the tweeter's to be closer together or further apart to afford tonality and imaging to be tuned to the control room's acoustics.
Kelvin: the David Attenborough of hifi reviewers.
Good luck with the channel, mate.👍👍👍
Hi Kelvin great video and very interesting, as I'm aiming to get a pair of JBL L96, my dream speaker at the moment. A friend of mine had a pair a few years back , great sound, around the same size as the ones in your video but a three ways ported.
Good to hear your review as I think the quality of JBL runs through all their speakers of the mid eighties and nineties large bookshelf size, and the prices reflect this. My dream awaits.
I'll be going to view some amps to power them next month, looking at the Arcam A38 FMJ especially.
Thank you , always look forward to your vids.
Stu
I am about your age and had a pair of L100s some 5 decades ago. When it was reintroduced recently, I looked into purchasing them, they were 7 times what they cost me back in 1973. But these are a bit cheaper and share many characteristics with their older brother and may suit my needs better.
Great , entertaining review Kelvin..
I grew up with paper cones love them. I know what you mean. Great review, thank you.
I just aquired a pair of ADS L620's..... pleasure to listen to. Driven by a Marantz PM 8004.
I'd love to see and hear you review the "infamous" BOSE 901's. I believe both of those speakers were introduced around the same time ('72 - 73). (maybe that was the L100...) The JBL's were marketed as "studio monitors". Funny, you talk about relocating tweeters to improve the imaging. I added four 'external tweeters" to my system a few years ago just for that purpose. It works.
I want some of what you have been having!! Yeah? You are flying. Changged right up
Really love your reviews! Watching them all - new to your channel
Thanks mate
I’m still a young fella 26 years old. But I remember when I was 12 I would speaker swap tweeters from a Sony bookshelf to to a Kenwood tower. Because I liked the treble but it lacked the bass
Hahaha
I’ve learned a lot since then.
Great video
Thanks for sharing
no, you have not!!
I’ve always placed tweeters outboard thinking surround sound effect. But the way U just explained, inboard, imaging, direction, makes sense. I’ll give it a go with my JBL 4311’s.
I must tell you I did an experiment and seriously it sounds better with a treat is on the outside is with these Jbl is I was quite amazed
@@stereoreviewx I must say, I tried tweeters inside/inboard your way. And to Me inboard sounds better (JBL4311’s) Thnx.
I would love to hear these one day!
Thanks again . I really like your videos. And I agree with you . I like the old sound better.
Thanks for the review I've recently found your channel and subscribed. I have demo'd these speakers here in "the states" and they are vastly underrated and definitely not a "rock speaker." Much more detail then their looks. As an aside, my dealer says the tweeters go to the outside as opposed to the middle.
Hi Richard I must admit that was a mistake I just followed my own orthodoxy over the years that tweeters inside is better and I listened tweeters on the outside and it is definitely better I corrected it in my next video but you’re right it’s just plain better
Cheers K
Love my L82 Classic speakers and drive em with a Sansui Seven! Huge low end. No mud to the darker, warm tones of flat wound and gut bass strings. Just slamming. JBL!
Sounds like a lovely combination when the bass is a real joy
Your Sansui only outputs 36wpc @ 8 ohms. That's pretty impressive.
I was just looking at these recently and I wanted them really bad. Well, I want them even more now. You can't get a 2-way 8" bookshelf front ported type speaker anymore. I've got JBL N28II's that I'm really fond of which are that way. Those speakers with paper cone fun, Oh yes. I want. I've been drooling over the JBL Stage A190's for a while now too cus those paper cones seam like they'd be a lot of fun. The JBL Studio 530,570,590's I have are a paper cone with PolyPlas coating on the front of the cone. I"d love to send you my Studio 590's with a transporter beam.
I am waiting at the transporter deck
Good vintage sound is like cream it will always rise to the top! Modern gear needs to blend with vintage in my opinion! Some modern stuff sounds amazing in every way in the lows,mids,highs...but just lacks soul!
That's why you enjoyed these JBL's Kelvin! JBL blended modern and vintage and boom there you have it!
Great looking speakers too! Nice to hear your thoughts mate👍
Yes I agree mixing vintage and new is just a great idea best of both and you save some money
@@stereoreviewx 👍
What a fantastic review. I just love your passion and you always make me smile. I've been looking for a speaker that can produce that 'old school' addictive base! Will need to try it out. Any vintage speaker that would compare to these JBL's? Thanks again. :-)
Well the paper cone on these GIF texture that you don’t get say with bectrene cones from vintage speakers like kef
Celestion Ditton 44s are great
Monitor audio ma4 v good
K
I had the l100 and no doubt they were good... But I ' upgraded ' to the jbl LX66 (solid oak and weigh a ton) new in the 90's. In my opinion they blow these out of the water so much so that I bought another pair. I have spent a lot of time and money in my youth in studios mixing/recording equipment..etc and can honestly say I have not heard speakers to match these for all round sound quality beautiful bass /mids/highs....These are under the audiophile radar....
Interesting thanks
Nice to listen to something new, eh? ;) Its cool to see older companies reissuing the old workhorses that so many loved. Thanks for the review!
I wonder how they would compare to vintage Pioneer HPM 40 speakers. I found the HPM 40s absolutely fantastic. I have vintage JBL 100s in my system now and they are great too. I wish I had some modern versions to A/B.
Hi Kelvin, still enjoying your channel, as you are by far the most charismatic reviewer of all things HiFi on this You Tube. It's not long now until you hit the big time I expect on the Beeb or something. Plus you review some super interesting stuff. Anyway, just wondering if this new JBL is like a newer version of a BC1 or BC2 with a bit more power handling? I have heard the mid range of the BC1's and found it truly beguiling. Big JBLs were my last speaker (250Ti) which did the big sound thing, too big for my room actually and whilst the mid-range was good, not as magic as the Spendor, yeah. So, what do you think, is the L82 along the same lines as the old Spendors? I was thinking of SP1 or possibly BC2, but a good refurbished pair could be easily half of what you pay for a brand new pair of these JBL. I can't get to hear any of this stuff as I am in Ireland, hence the reason why I am such an avid viewer of your channel.
Hi Kelvin, first of all thanks for the review, very well done. By the chance did you try the combination with the NAP100? I am thinking about getting this combo. Cheers Jakub
They remind me of the JBL 4408 monitor speaker, which has the titanium tweeter. I got a pair for nothing and it was my first expierence with a good speaker. I wish I still had them. Sometimes you can find them cheap.
I have 4406 and 4408 never going to Sell Them.
I had the 4410 & stupidly sold them. They were a total blast with Naim 180/82/hicaps.
Another album I know you'll enjoy is by a sub-contra electric bassist called, Yves Carbonne and his album is called, Seven Waves. Again, a reference recording of a 10 string sub-bass! An incredible instrument, (you'll see it on the album cover), more than capable of bass harmonics below 20Hz, ( human hearing's lowest limit). His playing is beautiful and melodious.
Check him out too, Kelvin.
It's good to see you review a high end American product k...Will make a our yankie friends feel at home a little bit...Is it because I'm a Londoner....;-)
Hello Kelvin, I really like your reviews. What do you think of the combination of this speakers and a Sansui 881? I was thinking it should be a good combination since it does have that good low and mid base you were talking about. Thanks
Yes I tried that it was pretty good but truly the best one was a Akai a M73 which is 100 W amplifier from the late 80s
You've got to get a copy of virtuoso bassist Victor Wooten's album, A Show of Hands. I've taken it to many a hifi show both here in England and abroad and nearly every time I've handed it to a manufacturer to play, they've put it on their "albums to get" list. His playing is off the scale, ( no pun intended), and it's a proper reference recording of the instrument. A must for your reviewing style, Kelvin.
Yes, just listening to this on TIDAL streaming I think I’m going to have some fun with this. Thanks
@@stereoreviewx I know you're going to enjoy it, mate. 🙏👍
Any insights as to why early titanium tweeters were so harsh and now smooth like silk? Yes, like the Energy 22's - a popular Canadian speaker, "inside" tweeters help with imaging.
Apart from a wonky frequency response causing it - over at diyaudio I've heard someone say that it's often caused by breakup above 20khz. Apparently it can cause problems lower in frequency. A notch filter at the breakup point is supposed to fix it, but I don't know for sure. I do know that I built my own speakers with hard dome tweeters, and it didn't matter what I did, I couldn't find a happy medium between being harsh or dull. I've never had that problem with soft dome tweeters. Unfortunately my measurement microphone doesn't measure above 20khz, so I couldn't try a notch filter.
Yes interesting question I mean often you can literally hear the cone material which kind of makes sense in a non-scientific way
Those type of JBL’s to me always perform better on their sides with tweeter inwards and on top as placed in recording studios. I aways hear a wider soundstage and is easier to get a neutral listening position that way.
Old paper cones remind me of a British sports car from the 60's....Not massively powerful but light, agile and nippy! In other words...fun! Modern cars are powerful, fast and relatively safe but like driving a brick! Heavy. Quite a lot of modern speakers are like that also.
The only drawback that prevents me from owning the L 82's is the fact it does not have magnetic grilles.
I wouldnt exactly attribute the paper cone to the JBLs sound signature, but moreso the "AquaPLAXX" treatment on the paper cone. That stuff is still a JBL guarded recipe to this day!
Oh ok 👌
It's all about da bass.
Vintageness?? New one on me
These JBLs were a serious value for money gear back then and they are still now given the lack of real progress in budget loudspeaker design since the late 1990s. Though not as detailed as the "century series / 100-series" JBLs. The larger 3-way century series JBLs will win in the end if you use G N'R's November Rain as a test track against these smaller 2-way JBLs.
Yes well I wouldn’t argue with that
What an excellent looks of this vintage JBL,hi actually I have a mission cyrus amp but the confusion is can't choosing the right budget speakers, but which I am getting nearby that is
Mordaunt short aviano 2 & Psb alpha B1 which one is better if this is the not right pair please sujjest.
I can’t tell you if in doubt go big.
😜
Kelvin
I trust your ears 👍
These are coming in a new mk2 version now.
What do you think of Au717 sansui combination?
ok so he is he saying get above 140 watts rms / ch continuous program power amp?
Hi, does anyone know, the sound is similar to the JBL NORTHRIDGE E 50, they are more or less the same size
Hi Kelvin - I only Just discovered you, and you speak my language, Just fantastic. Lovely informative reviews. I have not had time to check out all your videos, but i wanted to ask - seperate from this review - what do you recommend as good vocal speaker? I have Mission 760i's that i think are good but lack low punch, wharfedale 30's with 6.5" woofer and Diamond 9.1's that are powerful but i feel deliver a bit of a brash shouting effect! - i can't get the vocals - is that the Kevlar cones? Should i look at some old Kef coda's or what might you suggest? Thanks
ps - i drive them with old classic NAD amps Kelvin.
Well what would I say Kevlar cones personally yes I don’t like them myself unless they’re super sophisticated speakers but they seem to have a shouting characteristic generally
Kev coders are good if you mean the ones with the veneer boxes the older ones are good for vocals I would say
@@stereoreviewx Thanks Kelvin. Are kef coda 3's still good or is this a different kettle of fish?!
Original Caffe Coda with the B1 10 and the T 27 drivers more or less the rest are all completely different I wouldn’t write the Cath code 3 at all and I think the tweeters might be ferrofluid
@@stereoreviewx Thank you Kelvin. It's such a headache manufacturers capitalising on a winner to then proceed with ...basically inferior stuff they have 'upgraded'. Seperately from this, i drive a 30 year old Bmw and it's just leagues better cos they got it right there and then with regard to the all important points
Get the big brother Kelvin. One question:. If can only chose onr pair between these and BBC Ls3/5 for all sorts of music, which one to chose? They are both 2-ways. Thanks
Well it’s a terrible choice to have to make ultimately I think I choose the LS 25 A’s for authenticity but just to know the Jbl is filled the room maybe three times more and you get the visceral bass
But they’re not as authentic in the mid range and I just hate things being wrong
@@stereoreviewx thanks
Great video , am I right these are about 2k too buy ?
Yep
I know you like the LS35a, if you had to choose between those and the JBL what would you pick and why, imagine there are only two speakers in the entire world, which ones?
I would pick the Jbl is because their room feeling they have a dimension in a physical feeling that it’s gratifying
Come vede queste JBL L82 Classic con un amplificatore Sugden A21A?
The official specs say 25 to 125 Watt recommended, you sayed 150. I‘m no expert but to you think an amp like the Lyngdorf 1120 would drive them well?
It seems JBL has found their way again.
Now what do they cost, I know the L100's are over the top in pricing.
And where are they made?
Yes interesting question they say engineered in the USA I’m not sure where it says that but they made in the Philippines
Definitely not made in the USA, so I don’t expect much
How much are JBL L112s worth today?
Speakers are a personal choice, not everyone likes the same thing.
Sorry, but here we have an often mistaken Thing: The treble Attenuation! Fact is, the "Flat" Position is when the Wheel is turned to "max"! And turning it left to the "min" position, is just taking away signal strength from the tweeter! There is physically and electronically nothing else possible since this is a passive speaker!
I know, the "0Db" point may fool you, but this is not the point where the Tweeter itself is in the "flat" position. It´s just the point where a 90Db/1m is matched down to the 88Db/1m efficient Woofer.
So seen, the tweeter has a 0Db advantage over his Woofer-Partner in the House...
So, for all who think they are smarter here: You cannot deliver with a Driver what is not there in the signal! That is impossible! And, an attenuator only can take away something from the signal. Never in this Galaxy, an attenuator can add something when mounted in a signal path in a passive system.
So you think this dial is deliberately misleading
0 db probably means the recommended attenuation here (what it would be if it didn't have the pot meter, just a resistor) Now the potmeter is the resistor. At max you will have a louder than recommended treble. On an amp the 0db is also in the middle, not on the right.
Always a pleasure, Kelvin. Keep them coming. Do you think they’re worth $2500 yankee dollars?
Well There is something very luxurious about them but they’re not perfect and if I was spending a ton of money I knew Speakers personally I just go for broke and get something that does everything dead right
And then not think about Speakers for 20 years
K
@@stereoreviewx which speakers are the best you have heard regardless of price?
Any experience with onkyo integra?
Not yet
Got a pair of Dovedale 3s that look like the bigger brother of these
Yes that’s gonna be a big sound
For a mere $5,...JBL coudl have added magnetinc grilles. I also like paper cones. My '74 Pioneers has paper, still performs today. I just don't think they are worth the price!
I mean yes new hi-fi is expensive at least it will have 20 years of life in it at least hopefully more
@@stereoreviewx Hell, I has a pair of '89 Infinity SM 125 still cranking it up!
I understand why 'lampizator' is found of papercones with alnico magnets....
Paper cones on a woofer aint a great idea tbh, at higher volumes you will get the oilcan effect where the driver flexes, the ideal material for a woofer is aluminium
Well I think you could make a case against any particular co-material I really don’t like those woven things like the Elat and I don’t like Kevlar
They all have classes and they all have minuses I wish there was one perfect for material but it doesn’t look that way
@@stereoreviewx Depends on the frequency band, for tweeters you need very light, for woofers you need strong
Do you know you know you know you know?
These speakers are $2500!
They cost about the same as their bigger brother L100, I'd get the bigger one when I would have the money to spend on them. (And a Sansui AU-719 or so to drive them)
That sounds nice
Young man, did you ask your wife permission before you removed the grills? Her friends might be coming over for tea and she may get upset to see them removed.
They will spill that tea
JBL stands for Junk But Loud.
Wow here we go again with more crap speakers... I am only JOKING !
I heard these are not very good
I prefer to hear the gear rather than some fella banging on.
We all have preferences but let us be honest there is no way to truly hear gear without being physically in the room. Out of all hifi internet reviewers I have watched this fella does the best at verbally providing the detail required prior to auditioning yourself. Even better than the Hifi magazines that have been doing this for years. 😀 Although he is wrong imho when it comes to good vintage pioneer receivers and Kef Uni Q’s 😂. 🤔🥃
BULLSHIT!
Really useful comment that Stilibits... Why bother watching? Of course listening is ideal, but personal reviews and thoughts are interesting. Plenty of channels to choose from.
Spew all the irrational guff you like. A sound demo is always going to be superior to some fella banging on.
So would I, but I'm not about to swim across the ocean and commit criminal trespass. Although personally I just let anyone in off the street to listen to my speakers, and for as long as they want too.