Thanks Bloke, I'd never seen cross over before. I was a regular user of both two point and single point slings back when I used to do serious rifle shooting with both small and full bore rifles.
I have a very neat Australian Omark Sportco M44 with a center swivel and it came with a sling. It took me quite a while to work out what you so capably described. Like you, I'm am definitely dumb enough to use such a thing just to be contrarian, but, in the long run, I won't be getting rid of my single point slings.
Thanks for this excellent piece of advice. Ive mainly used CMP style, but I actually have one of those slings you are using in my collection. I have to try it.
Jeff Cooper introduced the action swivel two point to American shooters in the early 80s after being shown it by a South American gentleman named Carlos Widmann. Cooper added Pachmayr Flush Swivels and a reversed cobra sling. He named it the CW sling in honor of Widmann. He showed it to Creighton Abrams who told him it originated with the British. Cooper advocated it for field shooting as it allowed one to loop up while dropping into position. One of his students named Eric Ching refined it further by adding a second strap that stayed attached to the action swivel and slid along the main strap via a metal swivel. The Ching sling could thus be used as a carry strap that instantly transitioned into a support sling.
When I took a couple of AR classes, one of the other students said single point slings hit you in the d!ck. I've found he's right, so I have had to modify it a bit. Thanks.
Not being a competitive shorter nor having that much interest in competitive shooting, well, it did, at least help with my insomnia. Or at least passing the time. :) Keep up the good work anyway!
This is awesome. I'm pretty new to CMP Matches and am always trying to discover new and interesting ways to get better. Thanks for the demonstration! I just recently picked up a SMLE mk3* and hope to try the crossover technique soon.
@@rslover65 Thanks! I have heard of their high-quality slings, and I use a 1907 pattern for my M1 Garand and M1917 for CMP matches. I find Bloke's demo very interesting and I'm curious if it helps with my shooting. Currently, I don't have a shooting jacket and the butt and sling loop will sometimes slide down during rapid fire.
@@jonathanliu3 I picked up a cheap shooting jacket at the CMP games in OH, it has a hook on the shoulder to keep that from happening. Depending on what match you're in you may or may not be allowed to use that. I would recommend the better slings over a military issue one, it does make a difference. Mostly the turner slings are made of wider leather.
Been using two point slings for years on rifles, small bore, and shotguns..... It never even occured to me that there might be more than one way to tension the thing for support
O that's now you do that bean trying to set up a centre sling on a full wood n1mk3 43 bsa I guess I have to find a wider sling the og sling is not wide enough
I've never used that crossed one lacking a center swivel. Do you like it standing and sitting as well? It's been a while since I read 'Slings in the Wild' (Todd Dow).
Slings standing are a big cope and just make you feel tighter without actually objectively doing anything (I stopped doing it standing when I realised this). I've never shot crossover sitting, but if I wasn't allowed a single-point, I would do it that way.
General question. Where to find a L39A1 band with swivel. Had to cut back a bulged barrel 16" with 3" counterbore and need a larger band. Thanks. Oh, we're to get a heavy match barrel for a L39A1.
@Bloke on the Range thanks! If you're ever in the CA Bay area, let me know, we have HP matches 2x per month, Saturdays.....yes, we are still allowed for now!
When shooting Target Rifle, not rebuilding your position each time: a) is extremely tiring. You're there for 20+ minutes. Much longer if it's 2+15 shots with 3 people per target. Try holding a rifle in the shoulder on a sling for that long. Also you're not allowed to use the magazine and have to occupy yourself with a plotting sheet and keep watching the wind. b) results in the sling and butt slipping, introducing a lot of inconsistency. Some people just put the butt down on the ground and leave the muzzle pointing upwards at an angle. Some put the entire rifle down (and don't move their elbow or anything else.
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Thank you for making videos like these. I'm not great, but I've gotten a lot better from following your advice.
Glad to help! :D
getting back to basics is always good.
I like all the interesting things I learn from both of you on this channel
Oh my god the long awaited sequel to the AR15 sling shooting video
Thanks Bloke, I'd never seen cross over before. I was a regular user of both two point and single point slings back when I used to do serious rifle shooting with both small and full bore rifles.
Nice bit of information. Thanks for sharing.
I have a very neat Australian Omark Sportco M44 with a center swivel and it came with a sling. It took me quite a while to work out what you so capably described. Like you, I'm am definitely dumb enough to use such a thing just to be contrarian, but, in the long run, I won't be getting rid of my single point slings.
Good job Mike
Love that SCHMEISSER in the background ! 😜
What a lovely looking rifle. The wood colour is particularly nice.
“Today we have naming of parts” very good explanation I will try number 3 on my rifle with a poling sling switches which in my cave I have got!
Thanks for this excellent piece of advice. Ive mainly used CMP style, but I actually have one of those slings you are using in my collection. I have to try it.
Jeff Cooper introduced the action swivel two point to American shooters in the early 80s after being shown it by a South American gentleman named Carlos Widmann. Cooper added Pachmayr Flush Swivels and a reversed cobra sling. He named it the CW sling in honor of Widmann. He showed it to Creighton Abrams who told him it originated with the British.
Cooper advocated it for field shooting as it allowed one to loop up while dropping into position. One of his students named Eric Ching refined it further by adding a second strap that stayed attached to the action swivel and slid along the main strap via a metal swivel. The Ching sling could thus be used as a carry strap that instantly transitioned into a support sling.
Have long used the CW Sling!
Thank you.
When I took a couple of AR classes, one of the other students said single point slings hit you in the d!ck. I've found he's right, so I have had to modify it a bit. Thanks.
Not being a competitive shorter nor having that much interest in competitive shooting, well, it did, at least help with my insomnia. Or at least passing the time. :)
Keep up the good work anyway!
This is awesome. I'm pretty new to CMP Matches and am always trying to discover new and interesting ways to get better. Thanks for the demonstration! I just recently picked up a SMLE mk3* and hope to try the crossover technique soon.
Turner saddlery makes a great service rifle sling for CMP/High Power competition. They take a while to break in.
@@rslover65 Thanks! I have heard of their high-quality slings, and I use a 1907 pattern for my M1 Garand and M1917 for CMP matches. I find Bloke's demo very interesting and I'm curious if it helps with my shooting. Currently, I don't have a shooting jacket and the butt and sling loop will sometimes slide down during rapid fire.
@@jonathanliu3 I picked up a cheap shooting jacket at the CMP games in OH, it has a hook on the shoulder to keep that from happening. Depending on what match you're in you may or may not be allowed to use that. I would recommend the better slings over a military issue one, it does make a difference. Mostly the turner slings are made of wider leather.
@@rslover65 I'll definitely check them out. thanks!
@r slover they are about 1 1/2 years on back order!😢
I needed some "old school" today. (And, it would not be BotR without a technical glitch 🙂)
Rifle sling techniques can be extrapolated to photography in the field.
LERA UK sniper match this month. Going to try this with my Enforcer. 👍
I like shooting with issue gear and uniform and really do l9ve soke of the oddball techniques
Target shooter version of bondage ? 😀
Have you seen target shooting jackets? They can't pretend they're not into that.
Been using two point slings for years on rifles, small bore, and shotguns.....
It never even occured to me that there might be more than one way to tension the thing for support
O that's now you do that bean trying to set up a centre sling on a full wood n1mk3 43 bsa I guess I have to find a wider sling the og sling is not wide enough
I've never used that crossed one lacking a center swivel. Do you like it standing and sitting as well?
It's been a while since I read 'Slings in the Wild' (Todd Dow).
Slings standing are a big cope and just make you feel tighter without actually objectively doing anything (I stopped doing it standing when I realised this). I've never shot crossover sitting, but if I wasn't allowed a single-point, I would do it that way.
Could it make an M14 (or similar) in full auto controllable? Have never been able to find a video of anyone trying.
Lolno 😅 it supports the weight of the rifle and does nothing for recoil control or muzzle flip
There is literally no known way to make a full auto M14 controllable outside of a heavy tripod mount
@@LittleRabbit1138 And several blocks of concrete...
General question. Where to find a L39A1 band with swivel. Had to cut back a bulged barrel 16" with 3" counterbore and need a larger band. Thanks.
Oh, we're to get a heavy match barrel for a L39A1.
It's the same as a standard no.4 band, the forend is just cut down from a normal No.4.
@Bloke on the Range thanks! If you're ever in the CA Bay area, let me know, we have HP matches 2x per month, Saturdays.....yes, we are still allowed for now!
Miss my shooting and all this new information bloody avo laws
Crossover seems like a halfway point between hasty and loop
How many firearms can you own in Switzerland? Thought there was a limit per person.
You can own all the firearms in Switzerland. There is no limit per person.
You said you will do the single point sling. Could you show match rifle as well?
Match Rifle doesn't use slings, they either have a rest between the support hand and the ground, or lie on their backs and put the rifle on their leg.
@@BlokeontheRange What music genres would they be? A comparison video may be at least vaguely interesting.
@@mikethomas5510 Already done Match Rifle in a music genre ;)
Als erstes sollte man der Schützengeselschaft danken. Nicht selbstverständlich das Du das tun darfst!! lG Jan
"american complicated leather slings".... as a US target rifle shooter, I resemble that remark. jk
Does rebuilding your position with every shot not introduce a lot of inconsistency?
Not if you practice consistently rebuilding it.
When shooting Target Rifle, not rebuilding your position each time:
a) is extremely tiring. You're there for 20+ minutes. Much longer if it's 2+15 shots with 3 people per target. Try holding a rifle in the shoulder on a sling for that long. Also you're not allowed to use the magazine and have to occupy yourself with a plotting sheet and keep watching the wind.
b) results in the sling and butt slipping, introducing a lot of inconsistency.
Some people just put the butt down on the ground and leave the muzzle pointing upwards at an angle. Some put the entire rifle down (and don't move their elbow or anything else.
What black magic is this? Thank you
I assume that what you’re calling a “single point sling” is what this Yank calls a “loop sling”?
They sometimes call it a "cuff sling" too. We've always just called them "single point".
Interesting.... I know proper sling discipline can improve marksmanship..
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