Great video, but a fourth valve does not necessarily make it compensating. For it to be compensating, it needs extra tubing typically coming off of the top three valves on the back which are activated when the fourth valve is used. There are four valve euphoniums which are non compensating, as well as three valve euphoniums which are.
When brass bands were starting to become popular in America, we used 2 Eb Altos and two Bb Tenors to play the upbeats in 4-part harmony. The Bb Baritone was used to (1) play countermelody, (2) double the melody at the 8va basso or (3) to double the bass an octave higher. What we call Alto Horns are called Tenor Horns in England, what we call Tenor Horns are called Baritones in England, and what we call Baritones are called Euphoniums in England. The matter is complicated by the fact that the English euphoniums are a little larger bore than the historical American baitone and this larger bore instrument has now become the norm in America. Four-valves and compensation systems have nothing to do with the name.
You are 90% correct however the euphonium originated as a Baritone but then recreated in the 1800s by Germans soon to be called a Euphonium due to its beautiful sound compared to the Baritone it's conical shape due to its bore size and tubing gives it a little flexibility and tone on scales and fundamentals in playing classical literature
Super Slash Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. This was a last minute class project, hence the change in video quality, so not all of my info was thoroughly researched. I'll update it if I ever decide to not be lazy
lol I learned how to play hot cross buns on the baritone in 6grade when I began playing I've been playing for 3 years now and I'm learning song like earth wind and fire, Turning point.
What dident you also put carnival of Venice on the beartone the song you put for the beartone makes it sound exactly Like a trombone which it shouldn't sound exactly Like a trombone both euphonium and beartone should sound light and soft
People call my euphonium a baritone to pick on me but I have played both instruments and I can tell a difference on how they feel. Thank you for showing people that they are not the same instrument. I play a hiesbruner(I probably spelt that wrong) euphonium. It's a 4 valve compensating. It was made in Sweden. I'm going into high school with this horn.
I'd like to point out that 4th valve doesn't necesseraly make it compensating instrument. There are instruments which have 4th valve and it's just a sepparate valve. 4th valve is compensating when it sends the air back into the main valves. Sort of second sircle. On compensating instruments the 4th valve is always under the left hand finger but on non-compensating instruments it could be there but it could also be in line with the main valves. I've also heard people say that when the 4th valve is under your left hand then it's always compensating instrument but that's also wrong.
Absolutely right! I'm also an euphonium player and mine has 4 valves in line for the right hand, and that's got nothing to do with compensating, neither a 3+1 euphonium, that's what they're mostly called, necessarily needs to be a compensating one, but simply can have a different place for the 4th valve. I don't know who brought up this strange myth 3+1 would automatically mean compensating, but you can sometimes even find this nonsense in descriptions of expert brass instrument shops unfortunately...
The "baritone" is actually a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium. The compensating system activates the extra set of tubing in the back of the horn, to help with tuning, not necessarily range. The 4th valve itself is what adds range, does not mean it's compensating.
The only difference between them is the baritone can produce a better sound without walls aka it's good for marching Euphonium sounds better and has better acoustics with walls.
That sounds like a baritone to me. The forward bell allowed it to project better which is why it was used for marching bands way back when, and even today. Most likely a baritone though
Didn't know there was a another variation l. Mine has four valves in row like a baritone I guess it's easier for me Funny thing is all of our baritone players actually play a euphonium in our symphonic band
+clara maples Try asking your teacher to clarify what they meant. In all honesty, they are pretty much the same, but if given a choice I would choose a euph over a baritone any day. The sound quality of the euphonium is much nicer
+Rene Rodriguez oh Rene... I was enjoying this until I read that! I'm a baritone player however I've played both baritone and euphonium (and the cornet). I'm playing a yamaha YBH301S just now and the sound is amazing. This is just until I get my Neo baritone however, I respect each persons individual choice. :D
+Justyn Hopkins Thanks for the compliment. Yes, thats what euphonium means, but they are made different. The bores are different which allows them to produce different sounds. They're basically the same but not
Your description is correct but your picture of a baritone is actually another euphonium.
Well this is embarrassing. at least my information is correct
tks a lot dude, now its clear to me the difference !
Great video, but a fourth valve does not necessarily make it compensating. For it to be compensating, it needs extra tubing typically coming off of the top three valves on the back which are activated when the fourth valve is used. There are four valve euphoniums which are non compensating, as well as three valve euphoniums which are.
I play Baritone at school then. Now I think I want a Euphonium, liked the color of the tone.
When brass bands were starting to become popular in America, we used 2 Eb Altos and two Bb Tenors to play the upbeats in 4-part harmony. The Bb Baritone was used to (1) play countermelody, (2) double the melody at the 8va basso or (3) to double the bass an octave higher. What we call Alto Horns are called Tenor Horns in England, what we call Tenor Horns are called Baritones in England, and what we call Baritones are called Euphoniums in England. The matter is complicated by the fact that the English euphoniums are a little larger bore than the historical American baitone and this larger bore instrument has now become the norm in America. Four-valves and compensation systems have nothing to do with the name.
This whole time, I thought I've been playing baritone. Believe it or not it was a euphonium
That's funny.
@@Ownxer you're so late that it's sad lmao
Think of the euphonium as a bass flugelhorn as far as the sound is concerned
roy childs yeas
You are 90% correct however the euphonium originated as a Baritone but then recreated in the 1800s by Germans soon to be called a Euphonium due to its beautiful sound compared to the Baritone it's conical shape due to its bore size and tubing gives it a little flexibility and tone on scales and fundamentals in playing classical literature
Super Slash Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. This was a last minute class project, hence the change in video quality, so not all of my info was thoroughly researched. I'll update it if I ever decide to not be lazy
Thanks for the explanation. I always thought the two were interchangeable but now I see that they are two different instruments.
lol I learned how to play hot cross buns on the baritone in 6grade when I began playing I've been playing for 3 years now and I'm learning song like earth wind and fire, Turning point.
I play trombone and beginner baritone I think idk Im still confused and I always get euphonium, marching baritone and concert baritone mixed up e.0
What dident you also put carnival of Venice on the beartone the song you put for the beartone makes it sound exactly Like a trombone which it shouldn't sound exactly Like a trombone both euphonium and beartone should sound light and soft
I play euphonium in my high school band and I didn't even know that there was a difference, great video :)
People call my euphonium a baritone to pick on me but I have played both instruments and I can tell a difference on how they feel. Thank you for showing people that they are not the same instrument. I play a hiesbruner(I probably spelt that wrong) euphonium. It's a 4 valve compensating. It was made in Sweden. I'm going into high school with this horn.
ok I will
I'd like to point out that 4th valve doesn't necesseraly make it compensating instrument. There are instruments which have 4th valve and it's just a sepparate valve. 4th valve is compensating when it sends the air back into the main valves. Sort of second sircle. On compensating instruments the 4th valve is always under the left hand finger but on non-compensating instruments it could be there but it could also be in line with the main valves. I've also heard people say that when the 4th valve is under your left hand then it's always compensating instrument but that's also wrong.
Absolutely right! I'm also an euphonium player and mine has 4 valves in line for the right hand, and that's got nothing to do with compensating, neither a 3+1 euphonium, that's what they're mostly called, necessarily needs to be a compensating one, but simply can have a different place for the 4th valve. I don't know who brought up this strange myth 3+1 would automatically mean compensating, but you can sometimes even find this nonsense in descriptions of expert brass instrument shops unfortunately...
Michael Nenninger an euphonium sounds weird just say a
I came here expecting a battle not to learn! (jk great job guys!)
I liked the cat.
The "baritone" is actually a non-compensating 4-valve euphonium. The compensating system activates the extra set of tubing in the back of the horn, to help with tuning, not necessarily range. The 4th valve itself is what adds range, does not mean it's compensating.
The only difference between them is the baritone can produce a better sound without walls aka it's good for marching Euphonium sounds better and has better acoustics with walls.
yeah and it actally started out as a french name for boys
finally someone correctly described it, my biggest pet peeve is that the baritone is actually the tenor voice tbh.
What about the Tuba?
You're on your own there, bub
;-;
Euphonium's are the best
Do you go to the University of Houston
My inerment has a crved horn, the valves are on the fornt also dignl. What inermenr is it? baritone or euphonium?
That sounds like a baritone to me. The forward bell allowed it to project better which is why it was used for marching bands way back when, and even today. Most likely a baritone though
+Rene Rodriguez thx i didnt know wich one it was now if i sub, will you sub to me back plz? i only have 1 sub
+Layney Fike sure
ok subing now
+Layney Fike awesome
Didn't know there was a another variation l. Mine has four valves in row like a baritone
I guess it's easier for me
Funny thing is all of our baritone players actually play a euphonium in our symphonic band
I play that interment and I love it
I got so scared because I was not paying attention and he said hey rene and mh name is rene and its so weird to find another guy named rene
I've only ever met guys named Rene, even though it's a "girls" name. The girls I've met named Rene had it as their middle name
Hot cross buns lol
We had to play that like 50 times the first week
*cough* i play euphonium in band... Except she calls it a baritone.
Thank god that a person on this earth knows his info I've been looking for info go euphs
Euphonium as not baritone, LOL!
Nvm it's a baritone
+XxGoldenFreddyXx lmao that was a fun read
Nooooooooo it’s not the valves
aww... Best transition ever xD Good video though :)
This was a class project done at the last minute. I believe it was good for the time put in
+Rene Rodriguez yes!i thought it was awesome! btw. have you played a baritone before, or just the eu?
+HalfWayDawn Thanks. I played them back in middle school but since I've been in high school I've only had the chance to play euphs
ah, okey then.. Hmm... I've only played the baritone, haven't tried the euph yet.
+HalfWayDawn they're both good instruments
there the same thing
They're the same in a lot of ways, but they are most definitely two different instruments
Well then my certified band teacher is wrong I'll be sure to tell him
+clara maples Try asking your teacher to clarify what they meant. In all honesty, they are pretty much the same, but if given a choice I would choose a euph over a baritone any day. The sound quality of the euphonium is much nicer
+Rene Rodriguez oh Rene... I was enjoying this until I read that! I'm a baritone player however I've played both baritone and euphonium (and the cornet). I'm playing a yamaha YBH301S just now and the sound is amazing. This is just until I get my Neo baritone however, I respect each persons individual choice. :D
a euphonium is a baratone I play it
You are either playing a euphonium or a baritone. They are different
+Rene Rodriguez euphonium is Greek for beautiful sound
+Rene Rodriguez they are sorta realated in meaning good vid
+Justyn Hopkins Thanks for the compliment. Yes, thats what euphonium means, but they are made different. The bores are different which allows them to produce different sounds. They're basically the same but not