Jim Cornette Reviews Kenny Omega vs. Jon Moxley (Cage Match) on AEW Dynamite
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- From Episode 482 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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It’s funny that Moxley is so bad that Cornette is praising Omega by comparison
You know you are the shits, when Omega gets praise (faint praise) but praise non the less
"I used to think you were a dumb fuck ,but then so many other dumb fucks came along ,now you ain't so bad" lol
How things have changed 😂😅🤣
AEW is full of deluded people who think the Elite, Adam Cole, Adam Page etc. are good
It’s mass hysteria
How does the saying go? “ The enemy of my enemy is my friend!”
“Yeah” “it’s dope” “imma bad ass” I love when Bryan just does the short little burts
"Just like Rocky"
"it's so cool man"
Imma badass!
Random fan: You drunk!
Moxley: Fuc* you! Get that guy out of here 😢😢
I hope Brian Moxley is a reoccurring character 😂😂😂
We’re going to need an omnibus of “The Great Brian Mox”.
I was a big Dean Ambrose fan in WWE. Before, I thought he was being underutilized at times. But the more I see Jon Moxley today, the more I understand why WWE went with Rollins and Reigns.
Same, and I even had a little fun watching him in AEW before he quit drinking 😂
True. They balanced him out in The Shield. Seth would usually make everything look technically sound. Then you'd get a tag and couple of 'popular' Ambrose moves (Thesz press, some alternating quick slaps and punches, a lunatic lariat). And then, usually, someone would get speared by Roman or someone would get Triple Powerbombed.
They gave you just enough Dean to want to see more next time.
And during his singles run they gave him Stone Cold-like moments (but then way more random and out of nowhere).
Like the hotdog cart.... Or him hiding in a present to surprise Seth. It was a bit looney. But it was okay for what it was at the time.
And you could tell that WWE was keeping a leash on things just enough to make it work.
(I think that's we he lacks in AEW. Someone to restrict things a little bit)
Came to say this exact thing
Same, now I know why WWE push more on Seth and Roman.
Yeah the more you see of him in AEW the more you realize that while he was a bit of a comedy act at times with the WWE they did an incredible job presenting him as an actual star.
“Overlook his past actions with children or sex toys” is a statement that even context can’t save😭
That was savage! 😬
Plumber Mox blading so blatantly on camera is so beyond lame at this point. Brock busting himself open hard way was incredible because it never happens.
People remember Brock busting Randy up with elbows at SS from 6 or 7 years ago bc it never happens and stands out. Moxley is embarrassing, honestly.
moxley is disgusting
Putting Brock Lesnar case aside. The reason seeing blood in WWE always felt unique is because we know it was banned. It always happen because of something unexpected happen. What happen in AEW felt like clockwork.
I said it before.. That match where WMD Britt got blood and asked Dave about it right after backstage and ever since that match every single episode has had blood
@@mahakalavanilla6263 No, people remember it because he gave Randy a severe concussion that put him on the shelf for a good long while because Vince won’t let guys just use a blade.
I understand why Brock Lesnar refused to work with Moxley years ago.
I understand anytime he says he doesn’t want to work with someone. Moxley, Wyatt, Brock is smarter than we give him credit for
I absolutely respect the man for saying "no"
@@tankboi8249 Vince has been quoted saying Brock's a genius. He has better wrestling phycology than he gets credit for
He learned from heyman, Cornette and Rip Rogers, are we really shocked?
@96mrjones FACTS. Lesnar also admitted that he learned psychology from The Rock.
He’s not stupid.
"Bank addicted drug robber" never fails to make me smile
The moment Moxley got hit in the BACK with a chair by Kenny and proceeded to start blading his FOREHEAD, I just had to fast forward. What... the... F*CK?!
Lmfaoooo
I had to go buy a new tv
@@durden2480😂😂😂😂 Big W man i love this comment
There was an FMW match were the opponent was placed in a figure four. The camera cuts away to focus on the crowd. Then, it cuts back to the wrestler. He's bleeding from the forehead! From a figure four!
I just lmao at that part. Getting hit in the back makes your forehead bleed in AEW.
Brian is killing it with the Moxley voice. "It's dope." 😂
"The Bank-Addicted Drug Robber" got me 😂
Lmao
I attended this show with my friends and would like to add something too this match… when plumber Mox was unscrewing the turnbuckle, people near me were chanting “lefty loosey” 😂😂😂
Fans need to be chanting "same old shit" to everyone in aew
i think heard some of that chant on tv
He took so long it made him get tired he started sweating 😂🤣 it was hilarious , and when he put it in his mouth u could just see it wasn't even hooked and looked so phony 😂🤣
People should’ve set the ring on fire with those two fuck wits in it
Were you on the side where the camera was pointing to in the upper area to the left? I was there and was chanting that 😂
Wow, this was the most positive Jim's ever been about Kenny in, like, forever.
Yeah last time I can recall was the wrestle kingdom match with ospreay where he was overall positive.
@@BigmanDogs I think he was positive about Kenny's Arthur Ashe Stadium match with Bryan Danielson a few years ago as well.
@christopherboyle4213 Yeah but the difference then was he said Bryan carried him. For the wrestle kingdom one he actually thought Kenny had a cool entrance and decent match 😭
@@BigmanDogs I don’t think Danielson carried him as much as Omega actually managed to bring his best for once.
It just shows how bad Moxley truly is
Everyone thought Brock was an a hole years ago because Moxley said he was lazy with their Mania Match. Brock is now an unsung hero of the pro wrestling world.
At that point the booking made it look like WWE dropping a ball on yet another upcoming star, so him saying he couldn't go all the way with Brock just sounded kind of disappointing, like they wouldn't give the guy a chance. But even before Moxley and AEW, he had a match with Jericho in the "Ambrose Asylum", which was an absolute garbage and the indicator of what kind of ideas got rejected by the creative and of what was to come in the future. Even taking that in consideration, Brock wanted to work safe not only for himself, but for the people he made a business deal with. Imagine making a deal with one of the biggest sport stars, promoting a big match, spending millions of dollars, only for him to come and say at the last moment that he couldn't compete, because some kid wanted to play with toys.
With the benefit of hindsight, I’m totally comfortable believing it was 100% a matter of Moxbrose coming to Brock with a bunch of totally shit ideas that instantly turned him off. Like his need to fake stab ring posts with screwdrivers.
To be honest, he’s VERY lucky that he didn’t get sent to Bray Wyatt-land by Brock with the way this joker wants to work.
Moxley probably wanted to do some deathmatch garbage and have them both bleed all over the place. Brock isn't a moron so he turned that down, Moxley proceeded to cry about it to the point where Brock lost all respect for the guy and buried him in their Mania match. Looking back, it's hard to blame Brock.
Not everyone ..I've been a fan of Brock since 2002 the first time I saw him in a dark match I know hes not lazy and he will work and sell if he respects u if your a primadonna he will sandbag you and u don't win a UFC championship being lazy ..I knew it was moxley and it was confirmed when moxley went on stone colds podcast...moxley isn't fit to hold Brocks sweaty trunks
@@DarkLordofTheSith69 Brock is definitely lazy dude wrestles 4x a year and most of the time wrestles in under 10 min disappointments
Now we know that Jim hates Moxley more than Omega.
That's when you know you suck
Moxley desperation to bleed is hilarious to me at this point, he’s so bad Jim is giving a positive of Kenny
I caught him blading twice
@Scores Man I even saw where he took the blade out and then rewrapped it in his white tape lol
I honestly think Mox is a self mutilater and addicted to cutting. I mean, I had a friend who was a cutter and I'm a recovering drug addict and it's literally the same feeling you get from doing either. Mox being a recovering alcoholic it probably gives him the same feeling, and now he's addicted to it lol.
A lump of shit is better than a pile of vomit
"The fucking guy can dive off the roof and do triple flips but can't
throw a fucking punch."
Sadly thats the case with a lot of modern wrestlers, they spend all of their time practicing their gymnastics routines and inventing cool moves instead of mastering the basic fundamentals of pro wrestling.
When I saw the barbed wire chair I immediately thought “ Hat on a hat” 😂 😂😂 thanks jim
I use that phrase now. It's a belter 😁
The first time I saw the barbed wire chair was in the Batista/HHH hell in a cell from 2005. Though I thought it was slight overkill at the time, it’s straight up overkill now. But then again I still think the sledgehammer is the dumbest weapon of them all.
Hat on 12 hats on top a soup sandwich
@@LimaKiloRomeo I still think Janice is worse.
@@FlushGorgon I take my comment back. Janice is number 1, & the sledgehammer is number 2
"Meaningless motion" is the best description of an AEW match I've ever heard
I think the contrast between Omega and Mox when it comes to blood is hilarious. Kenny is scared of getting color while Mox can't do anything without cutting himself open.
Brian Last’s Excalibur’s impression always has my sides hurting 🤣🤣
For wrestlers, never get to a point in your career where Jim can play devil’s advocate with Omega but not with you.
Then they are not wrestlers to begin with.
Hahaha ! You got that right ! Comment of the day right there .
The Young Bucks throwing super kicks when you’re supposed to be in a violent brawl hurt my soul.
That was a preposterously wimpy blade job by Omega. I am surprised that Jim didn’t hammer Moxley harder on once again blading in broad daylight in front of the camera. That is just the worst.
Kenny is lucky that he didn't blow out his knee/hip/groin on that cage spot. One of these days, his luck will run out, though, like it did on Dante Martin.
Yes he is , Kenny and several of wrestlers need to chill out, it is not worth it. What happened to Dante was brutal.
Sadly, it won’t happen because they think they are the gods gift to wrestling. I’m waiting for them to be tied to a wheelchair permanently saying Cornette, J R, Billy Gunn, and the legends were right all along
Mox: Let’s just go out there and bleed like Rambo 2 😂😂😂😂
DOPE!
They just did a "Russo swerve" with Shida, what made Tony thought this one with Don was going to be any better?
In what way was Shida a Russo swerve? 😂
@@Jmccre19 Because it didn't make sense. She turned on her friends to make the heels think she was on their side only to betray them and join her friends again. It's a swerve for the sake of a swerve. You're doing it because you think it's cool, not because it makes sense. They did the same Russo shit with Jungle Boy and Luchasaurs. "I turned on you to join him and now I turned on him to join you only to turn on you and join him again" all in the span of one month.
@@al5306 Lack of time is really what does it. Real life police use the whole "you're a criminal now, your crime is unforgivable, to jail with you! I'm a criminal, I sell drugs/steal cars/break legs. Haha, I was undercover the entire time." scheme, but it can take YEARS to pull off, not weeks. Granted, if you're running monthly shows you might have an excuse for rushing a little. When you have multiple shows a week, plenty of time for promos and the magic of a jumbo tron with the ability to rewind footage, there's no excuse.
Moreover, meaningless swerves can actually hurt good ones by oversaturation. Bully Ray being the boss of Aces And Eights was a good swerve, logically thought out. It was ruined because everyone saw it coming, not because they figured it out via the clues given, but because TNA had done so many nonsensical swerves for shock value already that they didn't need to figure out why a baby face would turn heel. Jimmy Jacobs joining Kevin Steen in ROH, a completely different company, should have been a good swerve, but such was TNA's overbooked infamy that even that was ruined by association.
@@al5306 she didn’t attack anyone though, she feigned being on their side then hit them. A Russo swerve was the heel siding with the face every week and the face being dumb enough to fall for the betrayal every single time.
He loved him like a father a brother an uncle that visits all the time
They had an unparalleled aunt/niece relationship
For some reason I read this in Jim Carreys Riddler voice 😂
They're virtually, actually, practically, legitimately, kinda, certainly, sorta, 100% family!
I’ve seen Batman Forever too 🤣
@@Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble I'm trying to forget that movie. It permanently soured me on Jim Carrey.
"Overlook his past actions with children and sex toys..."
I'm sure I heard Brian's head silently explode with fears of a million lawsuits when Jim said that 😂
When he said that I was like uh???lol
Lawsuit by who? First amendment right to free speech read the constitution ❤
I can't believe Cornette forgot about the silly slap fight near the end! Omega and Mox looked like a couple of girl scouts slapfighting over the last S'mores!
The best praise you'll ever hear Jim give Omega over Plumber Moxley. That says a lot 😂
mox is that no ones friend loner, that shows you his bandaged hand says... "i punched a window out because I felt like it". 😂😂
Exactly, but Ambrose is so textbook.
I actually feel sad for him, he even called her mom a wh*re just to boost a random promo on the middle of the street when he was a nobody. He tries so hard to be this badass, but the lack of father shows at every time.
I bet he did drugs not because he felt sadness but because he wanted to be cool with some random kids. A lot of unresolved issues trying to call attention to a father that never existed.
The worst thing about this match is the comments on the AEW youtube video saying how amazing it is.
Those AEW A holes think AEW can do no wrong ever despite how much this match and the majority of their no rules lazy booking matches suck
I feel so vindicated right now, because I absolutely despised Dean Ambrose and everything he did in WWE. He's even worse now.
Me also never liked him at all really
You look at this and realize that sometimes Vince knew what he was doing when he wouldn’t let some of these guys do their creative
People only liked Ambrose because he was the stereotypical psychopath character, and people like those. His work was always boring as shit though.
Same. When I was still watching WWE in 2012 I thought "THIS is the guy the indie marks love?".
Mox is a discount bargain Sandman, except Sandman had a better entrance, better punches, and could handle his alcohol.
You might wanna check in with latter-day Sandman to see how well he handled his alcohol
Sandman cut his head open with a beer can in his entrances yet Moxley still bleeds more.
Why does Moxley get so much credit for being good when he's not
Moxley's appeal is being the third best guy in his faction, both in the one that drew actual money and in the Edgelord Combat Club.
Missed the part where Moxley grabs the referee and talks to him instead of selling going through the cage.
And asks how much time the match has left
Don't disrespect Mario by drawing him like Harpo. For starters Mario can actually draw money outside of Japan.
Super Mario also helped save the business he was in, rather than contribute to its death, and people walking down the street actually know who Super Mario is.
Ayo u ain't shit 🤣🤣🤣
And Mario can throw a punch. 😂
AEW is full of deluded people who think the Elite, Adam Cole, Adam Page etc. are good
It’s mass hysteria
@@Emporkommling Yes, all true. Mario is also over with pretty much everyone, not just dorks in their 20s and 30s.
Only in pro wrestling can the term "children and sex dolls" not bat an eyelid.
Moxley’s no selling and blading is hilarious at this point.
Someone said that Jon Moxley is Steven Seagal of professional wrestling.
Steven Seagal at least had entertaining movies in the 90s. I can't think of anything Moxley has done thats been entertaining.
One winged fairy 😂😂😂
This thumbnail needs to win some kind of award. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I can’t believe Jim and Brian didn’t talk about how it took Moxley 5 minutes to get that turnbuckle unhooked, and Kenny just had to wait. It was so awful. And also, how tf does it take someone who’s been wrestling for almost 20 years - that long to undo a turnbuckle!? Who trained Mox? It’s supposed to be a rite of passage that you learn to takedown and put up a ring. He had no idea what he was doing, and he was flabbergasted that he had to keep turning the nut to loosen the eye hook. It was a massive fail for a supposed main event guy to not be able to seamlessly take the turnbuckle down.
When Moxley debuted, Cornette actually praised him quite a bit and even complimentd his work.
Now, Moxley is so bad, Kenny Omega is being praised by comparison.
Mind-blowing
He praised him off the assumption that he was a big deal. He had never seen his work beforehand. But overtime, the more he saw Moxley, he grew to dislike him more and more. Its actually quite funny to go back and listen to all those old reviews in order to see the evolution of his distaste for Moxley lol
@dflowers31 He did praise his work at first, then it went down down down. You're right, the evolution is fascinating. We need a Moxley Omnibus
I pictured Moxley against Dr Death and I just died...😂🤣
No Moxley would in seconds. Dr death would’ve ate and shit him out
@@durden2480 Doc would backdrop Moxley back into Dean ambrose
I wish Moxley was around when they had the brawl for all. Let Bart Gunn knock his ass cold😂
This channel is single-handedly more interesting than the majority of modern professional wrestling.
"..overlooking his past actions with children and sex toys..."
In the immortal words of Jim Ross, "Good lord!" 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Always laugh my ass off at Ian Rotten mentions 😂😂😂
We need an omnibus of Brian Last doing moxley voice 😂
Travis’s work alone makes me know this is gonna be a all time Corny rant. 😂😂😂
Moxley is the lamest, fakest tough guy in wrestling. His act got stale real fast.
He's a bigger joke now than his idol Nick Gage.
Steven Seagal of professional wrestling.
AEW is full of deluded people who think the Elite, Adam Cole, Adam Page etc. are good
It’s mass hysteria
99 percent of wrestlers are fake tough guys. You do realize wrestling is staged right? Your pretend tough guys like Haku are fake as well. If he was a real tough guy he would of been a real legit combat fighter.
as a dean ambrose fan i’m so sad to see how far one of my favorites has fallen same with jericho i used to absolutely adore him now i can’t even look at him the same anymore
Yep, except I never liked Dean, he was a dipshit even back then
Jericho is insufferable. What is worse are the people Jericho in which he surrounds himself who get too much airtime and they're awful. 2.0 and Daniel Garcia should be nowhere near a wrestling ring.
He's always been 💩💩💩
Tk is going into the wcw 2000 book with swerves every week
its hilarious how Kenny is getting a little bit of credit but he still gets dragged through the mud lol
The UltiMoxley Warrior. Jim praising Olivier to hammer Moxley more is effing hilarious.
That was like a 'Golden Up' for Kenny, by Jim's standars.
Kenny fru-fru boo boo omega should be prancing like a pretty pony over Jim's comment.😂😂😂😂
@@rameybutler-hm7nx 😂😂😂😂
Been craving to hear “Bank Addicted Drug Robber” 🤣
Heyman's comments a while back about Ambrose/Moxley make 100% sense when you see the dumb garbage he wants to do every match.
Heyman who?
Travis.. Just when we think you cant one up yourself... Here we are, you brilliant bastard, you.
Moxley should call his walk to the ring "the twelve steps"
This might be the funniest segment in Cornette’s history.
Cornette should be trending for talking positive of Kenny Omega in this video but instead, he’s trending for calling Kenny Twinkletoes and AEW fans calling Jim homophobic bcuz of it
Rhetorical question but can someplace explain to me the point of having glass thumbtacks and weapons in a CAGE match when the whole point is that no one gets in or out and the cage itself is a weapon? Also why is a screwdriver such an equalizer in this feud? I'm not saying a screwdriver doesn't hurt but a sledgehammer at least make sense you don't want to get hit in the head with the sledgehammer in kayfabe but a screwdriver?
It's like a dollar store abdullah moxley couldn't find a fork in catering..
there is no point, every match in AEW is a hardcore match with another stipulation.
@@TomFoolery350 even with a chosen finish of the match I'd pay to see bruiser or a younger cactus jack, Terry funk show up and tear their asses up in a match... men that bled so much and each time it truly meant something to the fans... today.. blood means nothing...
And what do those three guys have in common? Jerry "The King" Lawler welcomed them all to Memphis. Especially Terry Funk in what Jim Cornette has gone on record to say was the very first Five Star Match!🤔😉🎤🐴🎼🎸🤼♂️B.W.
Aaron: When Nickla "Baby Doll" Roberts, in the guise of a Security Guard no less, muscled a Wooden Chair over THE TOP of The Cage to Tully Blanchard on Thanksgiving Night 1985 in Greensboro, very suddenly Tully was able to take his "I Quit" Match with Archnemesis Magnum T.A. to a new macabre level. Blanchard busted the Chair to its frame and tried to stab Magnum in the eye with a very sharp piece of Wood. Psychologically to say the least the moment was chilling and terrifying because no one expected even Magnum and Tully to get so very basic with each other! Once yes; 2519 times a year seemingly not quite.🤔🎤💃💪🤼♂️B.W.
13:35 Brian's Sockface impression always wins
I think Tony is putting on these matches in hopes that Jim has a massive aneurism and thus the podcasts end.
Damn, that was the nicest thing Corny has said about Omega lol
"The match was forgotten" don't know why but that got me lmao
Jim's description of kenny's appeal is spot on. He's absolutely right. This has been my thoughts on kenny from the first time I saw him in 2018 (when wrestling was actually booming outside of wwe, and wwe was in that horrible era of 2018, 19, and 20 before Roman returned as Head of the Table). I understand kenny's appeal. He has a gimmick. He has a draw to him. I just don't like him, and I don't want him near my precious wwe. As for Moxley, what a horrible wrestler he is. Say what you will about Vince and wwe, they made this guy look like he was close to Roman and Seth's greatness. They deserve an award for that.
What actually is his gimmick? Serious question, been watching AEW since 2019 and I still don’t understand who this guy is. Moxly I get, but not Omega.
Jimmy is the best Wrestling reviewer ever! One love from Kenya,East Africa!
"The Hardly Boys, and Useless"😂😂😂
When Moxley takes a shower, he cuts himself with the bar of soap.
15:48 Brian's slip of the tongue using Jim's "phallus" chosen nickname 😅
Thats probably the closest thing to a compliment I've ever heard cornette give Kenny
Mox is the Z Broly of AEW; if they both don't release what's inside them (blood and energy), they'll explode
"The legendary plumber" BROXLEY
To be fair to Ultimate Warrior, he may not have been a good worker. But he had the look, the physique, and the charisma to draw an audience.
I'm starting to think, all joking aside, that Jon Moxley is mentally ill just wanting to blade all the time. Self harming kind of thing 😔
Maybe it’s a fixation he developed as a substitute for alcohol
I think he's not very smart, I don't know about mental illness, but the guy is definitely an idiot.
4:35
HE SAID THE HARDLY BOYZ!
'I think it's dope', makes me chuckle each time.
Lol hell yeah
From Outlaw Mudshow Parts Unknown The Ultimate Plumber Jon Moxley
Hahahahahahahahahaha Ultimate plumber XD
Finally I couldn't wait to hear this
I haven't watched AEW in months, Saturday was the first time i decided to watch again. I just wanna love pro wrestling man but there's alot wrong with this company which makes it hard to love.
This is the hardest I’ve laughed in a long time. Absolute gold from Jim
Excalibur needs to stop teasing the turns. He does it all the time. As soon as he said "Don has said many times that kenny is family" 5 mins in, i turned to my wife and said " I guess Dons turning tonight"
Cohe con screwdriver! Jajajajajajajajajajajaja
This match was trash! A deathmatch basically ,inside a cage.
Agreed. It was a disgrace to pro wrestling. Outlaw mud show 100%
Was just reading the captions at first with the sound down, but grabbed my headphones to listen as this a really well done segment. Theyre just really great communicators (Im most likely preaching to the choir)
may 13
AEW Rampage on TNT pulled in 284,000 total viewers. They drew a 0.07 rating total in the key 18-49 demographic during the 10:00 PM EST timeslot on Saturday night.
Last week the show did 294,000 viewers with a 0.09 rating in the 18-49 key demographic in the 6:30 PM EST timeslot on Friday evening.
Didn't these 2 already have an exploding cage match? Isn't this a step backwards in their fued?
Rat traps!
@@Ted_Bell idk if I would classify Renee or Riho as rats but LOL
they had the legendary exploding barbwire match. 😂 thanks for reminding me, I completely forgot about this all time moment in AEW history.
Jim is on to something: time travel wrestling!
Moxley vs “Dr Death” Steve Williams
The YBs vs Hansen & Brody
I'd prefer YB vs the Road Warriors or early 90s Steiner Bros.
Back in the day the bucks would be just another mulkey brothers jobbers
Orange Cassidy vs. Bruiser Brody
@@DarksaberForce YB vs the APA
I love the moment you realize why the art is this way.
This is better than WWE tbh
As someone who doesn't like this match I completely agree
The way that Brian does Moxley's voice is so funny hahahahaha
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I've never watched a single episode of this wrestling promotion that they talk about but I never miss a mf review 😂
You ain't missing a damn thing my friend, kudos to you for having an actual life.
Lucky guy.
(13:35)
'He's his father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's former roommate.'
"Overlook his past actions with children and sex toys" might be the most concerning out of context statement ever said on this podcast.
Some of these wrestlers need to sit down and watch Bret Hart and Jerry Lawler throwing punches for hours on end to understand how to do that shit properly
I always look forward to these reviews Jim just never disappoints.
I think It'S dOpE
🤣 Brian's impressions of Mox are brilliant lol
😂😂Dr Death would have tenderized and dried Moxley out like jerky. Olivier would have been the dipping sauce.
i like how jim described his willingness to bear through this match as "morbid curiosity". At this stage, AEW is The Room and Tony Khan is like an 1/8th Tommy Wiseau with all the goofs being another portion of Tommy. at least with Tommy Wiseau, he eventually started to embrace how The Room was bad and can have fun with it. I think people like Moxley are more akin to Neil Breen where there is no self-awareness and they really do believe what they do is good. maybe Kenny and the Bucks are like Tom Six; there's an audience for them and an unapologetic one at that but they know their audience.
I love all the bad cinema analogies.