The need for private school arises from the terrible conditions of most state schools in the country. And you can't just shamelessly run around and blame everything on private schools. Private schools tend to be better schools, with better facilities, better teachers, and an overall better environment for learning. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to change the attitudes of the pupils or teachers. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to improve behaviour and relationships between students, parents, and teachers. This is what's the fundamental issue. Also, teachers don't get paid enough in the state sector and we won't fix this simply by taxing private schools more. We need to completely overhaul our system and the government is not prepared to do that. Not to mention this video repeatedly saying that our state schools are prepared to take in more people and yet fail to realise that having 30 kids in a class is not acceptable. Kids need to be heard and seen by their teachers. I'd argue most state schools are already oversubscribed so him saying they can handle a 25% increase of private school kids is flat out wrong.
Education of our children is a really difficult issue for the country. The ideal would be to provide the excellent facilities of the Public Schools for all State Schools but the nation could never afford it. Nor would parents wish to take their kids to school on Saturday mornings for lessons nor would they want them to finish lessons as late as 7 or 8 in the evening (as in Public Schools). They might even be asked to supplement the teachers' pay out their taxed income!! The daughter of a friend of mine recently spent several months teaching at a large state school in London. It was extremely well run with sound discipline but it had next to no recreation facilities of its own (other than a tarmac roof enclosure)! The pupils were generally a delight to teach and well behaved but parental interest was minimal with only a handful of parents turning up to discuss their child's progress. Somehow the State schools need major improvement, with better teaching, sharing the academic and extra mural facilities of the Public Schools (by making their Charitable Status more accessible) and perhaps introducing a longer school day. Teachers already have very good holidays, so they should be paid more. Trying top rocess more kids through the State Schools will not help to maintain the standards of our universities which are already feeling the effects of allowing applicants with lower grades to enter our top universities. Finally, taxing education was voted out by ECHR and hundreds of private schools are now taking the Government to the High Court for breaching this ruling. Private Schhools do a wonderful job and save the Government money!!
The jealousy of parents having a bit more money or putting everything they can into their children's education is very standard Britishness. Taxing private schools won't make state schools any better AT ALL. Just like our roads not being any better by taxing some cars more or our environmental being cleaner due to tax on car emissions. That VAT will be squandered like everything else is.
To presume that this is about jealousy is a very arrogant attitude and stance to take. Private schools are not charities. They are businesses providing a service. That service is not being taken away and neither are parents being restricted (by the government) from sending their children to those schools. Private schools are a luxury. They therefore should not be exempt from paying VAT as they do in any services based business. The matter of how the taxes will be utilised is a very different debate and not an appropriate argument for expecting to get an effective discount from the government when the country already provides a free education system. It seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it. That is known as greed.
@andrewjones-productions this is exactly the jealousy being referred to in the above comment. The number of people who don't aspire to succeed and achieve, but just have things snatched and handed out to them, is simply astonishing!
@andrewjones-productions the country does not provide a 'free' education - it is paid for through general taxation. Those parents who send their children (and indeed people without children) contribute to those taxes. Effectively this means parents sending their child to independent school were paying for two educational places (their 'unused' state school place and their independent school place. Obviously that state school place will be 'lost' by parents being forced to swap - a negative impact on state schools.
@@andrewjones-productions I feel that you don't really understand how VAT works, especially stating that schools aren't charities. And yes, the government have stated that this will help fund more state schools. Being taxed for paying extra to send your children to a different school is ridiculous. You've already been taxed to get that money and youre also helping fund state schools you aren't using so helping support them. You also don't pay VAT on health insurance, that provides a service but is except due to it being "insurance". There is no consistency. And note that this VAT will only impact the ones who are just scraping through paying for private schools. The elites won't even notice. Nobody wins here. Also note that the school will now be VAT registered so able to claw back loads of money themselves that previously the government got. It won't be a net loss for hmrc but it's a loss all the same.
My parents were migrants from Nigerian. I grew up in working class Manchester and my siblings and I went to private school. From 6 to 11 and then we went to state school from 11 onwards. My time at an all girls private school in Didsbury was priceless. I am proud of my parents for giving us the opportunity. They worked hard. Its sad to see that it is parents like mine that will be hit hardest with this decision. I think it will widen the class divide and not allow hardworking parents the parents to put their children in private school.
Private schools are what perpetuates class inequality, not VAT - I mean, they literally separate children from wealthy backgrounds from all other children. You have to be honest and admit that it’s a tiny minority of private school students that actually come from working class backgrounds. The average working class family can’t afford £20K a year on private school fees.
@liamd3747 why does everything have to revolve around the working class? Just because people are not "working class", doesn't mean they're wealthy! Contrary to the popular notion, none of the children I know come from generational wealth backgrounds in these schools. These are children of hardworking people, who make tons of sacrifices to be able to afford private schools. Hardworking people who want to give their children a better life than they themselves had. These people have toiled to get to where they are. They have waited years and years, so they're in a position to afford private schools, some have limitec the number of children to just one to be able to afford it. They have chosen to have children, when they can afford to give them good education and feed them, instead of just having kids and depend on state to raise them. This is the only country I have seen where people want to bring those who are doing well down, instead of seeking inspiration and achieve better life.
@@liamd3747 That's not going to change though, the very well off will just absorb the increase and keep their children going to private schools so creating even more of an elite. It's only the ones that are on the borderline of being able to afford it that may have to pull their children out. And then you've got disruption to the child of changing schools.
93% of the population goes to state schools - you're seriously saying they're all "toxic"? This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you It's funny how other richer European countries don't have this farce of a system
The fact that people who have their kids in private school see the option of having to put them into state school as a 'punishment' tells you all you need to know about the real problem here. The massive private school sector in UK is the source of inequality. Fund state schools fully and properly and enable the rich and poor to have access to the same excellent education, not a system where the rich get the good education and the rest can go swivel. Bring on the VAT. Private schools were never and will never be a charity and should never have had the exemption.
I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you. There is actual fear and hatred in these places towards the rest of the country. The country which the privately educated completely dominate and are running into the ground!
drives me nuts coz its tax, all private bissness pays tax. why are well off kids given tax breaks reserved for 'charity's'! but greggs is supporting starving kids w breakfast clubs
If just 25% of private school pupils transfer to state school because of these taxes, the policy becomes revenue-negative. If this tax policy is merely about increasing revenue per state school pupil, why take that risk? And furthermore why is this policy supported by the same people who want to ban private schools (which would dramatically reduce revenue per state school pupil)? Why do they consider it a good first step? Don't tear down other people's children. Focus on nurturing your own children. A sick person's life is not improved, if their neighbour becomes sick. It may even become worse. A poorly educated child's life is not improved, because other children are now poorly educated too. It may even become worse. Inequality is not the problem. And, no, I don't have private school fees to pay, before you ask!
@@katejackson7432 A tax break isn't giving anything. Taking less (tax) is not the same as giving more (free stuff). Why does it upset you when "starving kids" rely on food given voluntarily by Greggs, but it doesn't upset you when "starving kids" rely on food funded by money taken by force from taxpayers?
The people who can afford to go don't need the students who can't pay a luxury tax. They don't want you with them. They'll jack up tuition to make up the loss.
@@darthandeddeu It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual. Politics of envy.
Some people will sacrifice going without money to better their childrens education is the easiest way to social mobility. Some people want the best and not the school round the corner.
I don't understand why private schools are treated like they're charities. They're in the business of teaching children. It just doesn't seem logical. It would be more logical to give supermarkets charitable status. If you're giving charitable status to any business.
Private schools provide a public service! how much would the state (you!) would have to pay, build new schools, employ more teachers if private students had to go public, think a little!
The charity status could stay or go and they'd still be charged 0pc VAT.. Its the other part that the government will adjust - Education has 0pc Vat andthat is changing to increase the VAT to 20pc for private schools
Great. Another new tax. Tax on income, tax on spending, tax on driving, tax on medicines, and now tax on education. Forever working, forever a corporate slave, forever middle-class. UK citizens have become ball-less and those who have, already left.
According to the ONS statistics published in December 2023, in 2022/23 the government received a total of £255 billion in income taxes (PAYE and Self-Assessment) and £178 billion in National Insurance contributions. These taxes made up around 42% of the £1,027 billion total current receipts in 2022/23. Spending, known as total managed expenditure, in 2022/23 was £1,157 billion. The difference between these two numbers is public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector banks) - commonly known as the deficit. This was £131 billion in 2022/23. BRITISH PEOPLE ARE BEING ROYALLY SCREWED OVER 😂
This is such a Short-Sighted Policy...Imposing a 20% VAT on private schools is not just about hitting the wealthy. It’s an ill-conceived policy that will increase pressure on already struggling state schools, diminish educational opportunities for lower-income families, and reduce innovation in the education sector. This short-term revenue grab will have long-term negative impacts on the entire education system and society as a whole. Currently, 7% of UK students are educated in private schools, which helps reduce the burden on state-funded schools. Private schools save the government approximately £3-4 billion annually by educating students without using public resources. If private school fees rise due to VAT, many families will be forced to pull their children out and turn to the already overburdened state sector. State schools are already facing funding shortfalls, increasing class sizes, and teacher shortages. An influx of students from the private sector will only worsen these challenges, further straining resources and compromising the quality of education for all children. Contrary to popular belief, many private school students are not from extremely wealthy backgrounds. Schools offer significant bursaries and scholarships to students from lower-income families. In fact, 10% or more of their income is often allocated to support these students. A 20% VAT will make it harder for these schools to offer such financial assistance, thereby reducing opportunities for talented children from less privileged backgrounds to access high-quality education. This move disproportionately hurts middle-class families who already stretch their budgets to afford private education. The result will be fewer families being able to access this option, effectively making private schools an exclusive privilege for the ultra-wealthy and exacerbating educational inequality. Innovations developed in private schools often find their way into the state sector, helping raise standards across the board. Forcing private schools to hike fees due to VAT will diminish their capacity to invest in these innovations, reducing the diversity of educational offerings in the UK. It limits choices for parents and students, stifling the flexibility and creativity that are so vital in education. Private schools contribute significantly to social mobility by offering scholarships and bursaries, allowing talented students from less affluent backgrounds to attend. Increasing fees will lead to reduced access, further entrenching socio-economic divides. This move is counterproductive to building a fair and inclusive society. Moreover, private schools are significant employers and contribute to the economy through local spending, infrastructure, and jobs. Higher fees could lead to declining student numbers, potentially resulting in school closures or staff reductions, which will negatively impact the economy. Countries like Singapore recognize the value of private schools and actively collaborate with them. Singapore’s government encourages a healthy balance between public and private education, seeing the private sector as essential for providing alternative educational pathways and attracting international talent. The UK should be following a similar model, not penalizing private schools with punitive taxes that will damage their competitiveness and reputation on the global stage. Singapore spends around S$10,000 - S$12,000 (£5,800 - £7,000) annually per student in primary and secondary education. This is comparable to UK state school spending but delivered in a highly efficient and centralized system. As of 2023, the average government spending per student in state secondary schools is approximately £6,500 per year. For primary schools, this figure is slightly lower, around £5,000 per year. The UK government allocated around £56 billion for schools in England in 2022-2023. This covers teacher salaries, school infrastructure, and other operational costs. Despite the overall budget, many state schools face funding shortfalls. A 2022 report indicated that around 50% of state schools in England were facing financial difficulties, with increasing class sizes and cuts to non-core subjects (like music, arts) being common coping strategies. It is also important to remember that parents who send their children to private schools have already paid income tax on the money they use to pay school fees. Many of these parents are middle-class families making significant sacrifices to afford private education. To impose an additional 20% VAT on top of what they’ve already paid is effectively double taxation and deeply unfair.
My 2 kids are in private schools atm in Surrey. I work extremely long hours each week to pay for the schools btw 50-60 hours on a 30k salary. And so does my husband. A 20% increase will put us into debts. We have put them on a waiting for state schools before Labour was elected but none have space around us. Modest middle class here being priced out and with no state school places available. I suggest you do further research on the matter.
When I heard the tale of the letter going around private school parents asking them to write to their MP saying they can't afford even if they can, I lost interest in listening to this arguement as I realised its being inflated to allow these parents to have tax payer money pay for their privilage under the pretence of charity.
@@thedoshus5159No. They exempt themselves from the effect of their tax dodging by going private. It's time to end unearned privilege. Everyone has had enough of Tory sponges.
@@thedoshus5159well put. You get it. As per my point below It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual.
But, because we have a three tier system in education ie, private, academies and local authority, the top two are a drain on resources at the level where they are most needed. For example, the best teachers will move to higher paid jobs (100k in some private schools).
@@moshodi100 Nonsense. Over 50% of wealth in the UK is unearned. This is about making the idle rich pay for their unearned privilege. I would go further and convert all public schools into state schools just as Finland did. You'll see a huge improvement as the rich will no longer be able to dodge the consequences of their selfishness if they use the same public services as everyone else. The Tory, something for nothing era is OVER
My son in Year 8 was offered a place in our local selective state school last week. We applied this school last year, and he didn't do well enough to gain a place and was placed on a waiting list. He will leave his private school next week, due to this short notice, I will lose this and next terms fee of £20k. On the brightside, i will have £30k spare cash every year! I would have let my son staying in his private if VAT will not be added, extra £5k is not affordable for me. By taking up this state school place, I have denied another child's opportunity to attend this school. I will probably use this spare cash to buy a house for him.
I’m sorry to hear that a lot of people who are purely running with their own emotions (maybe due to their own inability to afford a private school- which is not a bad thing) are clearly missing the point, so many children with additional support needs get neglected in the state school system and only the private schools understand how to measure this due to resources. I pray your child is able to excel in his education. Putting money into a system that is already broken like the NHS is not the solution. Is it the salaries that is forcing state teachers not wanting to teach in state schools anymore.
We used to have a Grammar school system that was deliberately run down to boost private education and hold back opportunities that used to be based on merit.
@@annaisiomaful people are emotional due to anger, not jealousy! Over the years that the private sector doubled in size, standards in public life dropped through the floor as institutions such as the civil service were deluged with rich kids educated beyond their ability. If you want to argue that the middle-classes create wealth, explain why their kids are squatting on public sector jobs with fat pensions.
Surely you can defer your place, and save the £20K. I am glad you have passed the entrance for the state school. For parents out there wanting to pass the entrance exams, swot up on IQ tests. Your child can soon master them. IQ tests do not show intelligence. They just indicate how good you are at IQ tests. Practice will enable you child to pass.
@@katejackson7432 so why not charge VAT on university education…. Premise is the same, except from a closed system perspective allowing private schools to continue without standard rate VAT makes sense.
@ yes, but you do realise that when someone for goes to a private school they’re effectively freeing up a state school place and paying the tax needed to send someone else’s kid there. I think you’ve side stepped the logical premise of tax on education and the fact that a lot of university degrees unfortunately don’t add much value to the economy.
It's the hardworking parents who will take the hit. The rich will of course find the money by putting up prices of whatever goods and services they're selling to everyone else, so this will ultimately come out of working class people's pockets anyway! The oversubscribed state schools will still struggle and will be worse having taken on additional children. It's going to be a mess!
Nonsense. This is the propaganda that the rich in society want us to believe. The poor kids are always sacrificed for the rich. The rich can afford to help the poor kids by paying VAT.
@@N_D_2088 You're absolutely right. I know a family with 4 sons at Eton. They are already paying about £200,000 a year for them. Their attitude is that it's worth the extra money.
This is a very biased video which seems to promote the labour Vat policy. They pick a school with such good facilities and this is not an average private school. I live near a private prep school in the south east which is run practically in two houses with no more than an average house garden and still manages to teach kids well. More than half the parents in that school walk their children to school coming in buses and both parents work just to send their child for a better future. Yes, state schools needs more help (not just money but management and effective governance) but by forcing some children out of private schools who cannot afford the vat would make this country only backward. I don’t even think the vat bill would raise any net money as more children will be priced out of private and it will be too late for anyone to reverse the damage once in motion.
The tax payer will loss every time a child go into state schools ( it cost £7800 per child in state ) , so private school are not a burden on you , please stop moaning
@briiree typical Marxist drivel. Eveyone should be poor and only the government.champagne socialists should have anything. Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
The need for private school arises from the terrible conditions of most state schools in the country. And you can't just shamelessly run around and blame everything on private schools. Private schools tend to be better schools, with better facilities, better teachers, and an overall better environment for learning. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to change the attitudes of the pupils or teachers. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to improve behaviour and relationships between students, parents, and students. This is what's the fundamental issue. Also, teachers don't get paid enough in the state sector and we won't fix this simply by taxing private schools more. We need to completely overhaul our system and the government is not prepared to do that. Not to mention this video repeatedly saying that our state schools are prepared to take in more people and yet fail to realise that having 30 kids in a class is not acceptable. Kids need to be heard and seen by their teachers. I'd argue most state schools are already oversubscribed so him saying they can handle a 25% increase of private school kids is flat out wrong.
I see all the 'hater'' comments here. I work three jobs and my wife two to send our two kids to private schools, and now we have to find 20% more.......My eldest has Special Needs, to get him registered on the govt list is a massive and almost impossible process. Hence, we work hard to send him to a private school so he can get the best with his conditions and make something of his life......politics of the envy, that is Britain today!!!!
@liveitlarge68 It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual.
@liveitlarge68 Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises in a country where things are getting worse and worse? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you. And quite obviously, you are of the same mindset: sharp elbows, get out of my way "The politics of envy"? Coming from the Tories who try to stoke resentment between every sector of society? Public sector workers, workers in trade unions, the sick, the unemployed, the disabled and amazingly, if you look at who the Young Tories have in their sights, the baby boomers and their property and pensions
I don't have children but I'd want to send my children to private school. I'm a psychologist, but at the comp I went to, hardly anyone had any goals or aspirations. It's worse now. I'm not saying I want to become a heliocopter parent and expect my children to go into medicine or clinical psychology like me. But I'd want them to go to a school that gives them the best opportunities and equips them with the social cues and graces to do well at job and uni interviews.
My children went to state school with a couple of years in private school. I was lucky that I managed to get my children into a very, very good state secondary, but the school did have a constant battle with funding and the gap between facilities in private and state schools is enormous. I have a bad feeling about this policy, the VAT will tip a lot of parents over the edge of not being able to afford it and disrupting their kids at a critical time, particularly those about two start on their GCSEs or Nationals or are part way through. I personally think this is the wrong policy, and should have had a 2 year window so that the children who are embarking on their exam courses would not have to also deal with a change in school and all the social and emotional impacts of that. Bad move. I went to a lot of schools as my parents moved about quite a lot and the constant effort of moving, losing friends and having to start again when people already have well established social groups over years is hard going and often lonely. Disruption at 13 to 16 is not a good experience.
Those that send their kids to private schools already pay enough in tax to the government for school places their kids don’t use…. By adding VAT on already very expensive fees you essentially take a lot of native kids out of private schools as they can no longer afford it and private schools bring in more foreigners who board…. Sure you might earn a bit more through VAT receipts but you just end up educating the world’s foreign elite and locals dont get a look in.
There is no national limit on secondary school places. Therefore, those schools saying they have space or don’t have space is subjective to that council. Therefore, those increased spaces could equate to even poorer student outcomes.
“We went to the incredibly rich schools responsible for educating the children of the wealthy elite and asked them if they should pay the same tax as everyone else. They told us they don’t think they should pay the same tax as everyone else’s.” What a surprise
@@Imbob62 state schools are paid for by taxation. You know, the thing tories exist to dodge? Then they absolve themselves of the consequences by going private. The day they use the same public services as everyone else, is the day those services will be properly funded
Well private schools are closing across the country and the amount of working class people who seem happy with this amazes me! Do you have no clue as how many of your fellow working class citizens work in these schools?? I'm not talking about teachers but cleaners, chefs, kitchen assistants ( usually single mom's with school kids). This policy is a nightmare for us
It's her hard earned which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual.
Oh because you really care about working class people don't you!! This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
I didnt go to a private school. i dont know anyone who went to a private school, but this seems unfair. Education should not be taxed. These parents who choose to send their kids to a private school do so while still funding public education through their taxes and reduce the burden on the public system by not using it. There will be people in the margins who aren't multimillionaires but earn a fairly decent living and sacrifice a lot for their childrens education. They are the ones being squeezed, The middle class that Labour doesnt care about. A 20% increase in fees on top of all the other cost of living pressures on families could very well make it unafordable. To the elites, a 20% increase in fees is nothing. the tens of thousands they spend annually is nothing to them anyways. This will make private education even more elitist. The schools that cater to those in the margins who are trying to make private education more accessable and affordable to regular people will be the ones that close. Eton and Harrow will be just fine
My child would have to go into a school rated 3 and in need of improvements. I would like statistics on the number of outstanding school places are available in the state sector to absorb children from private schools. Would be interesting to see this statistic.
It’s not about just having a space, it’s about having a suitable place. My son is autistic. Both of us (his parents) and his primary (state) school teachers agree he will struggle in mainstay high school or a full specialist school, he's essentially falls in-between. There is 1 public high school in our LA area that would cater to his needs, but getting in there is highly difficult (thanks to the Labour led local authority) and its over an hour way. So we were looking at private schools in our area which I could just afford at a push (remortgage / cull activities). Now thanks to this VAT move from this Labour government, they have actively worsening my sons prospects to getting a suitable education elsewhere. I thought Labour philosophy was about caring for and lifting people up in society, but all I've seen is them worsening my sons educational prospects impacting on his chances for a good, normal life. Screw them.
We put our boys into a small town centre independent school for the senior years (eldest) and years 5-7 (youngest) about 10/15 years ago. The fees and facilities were nowhere near the school in the video and, as modest earners, we sacrificed other things to put them there. The youngest had to return to the state system when due to my redundancy. Fortunately he got a place, but all schools in our area are full and finding places is extremely difficult, so i don't know where the fact check folk got their information from. Not all private/independent schools are in huge grounds, etc and a lot of parents sacrifice to try to help their children, particularly if state schools are failing in their area. We certainly couldn't have afforded 20% extra even on the modest fees we were paying, ie hundreds per term, not tens of thousands.
throwing money at a problem is not how you solve a problem... really? I mean the problem is the pure and simple lack of money, call it funding or cashflow issue if you like but Im sure it helps...
It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual.
It's not a benevolent act to send your children to private school. It's purely to get your children ahead in life, which is fair play if you have the money! But don't act like it's some charitable act just to boost one's ego and justify avoiding paying tax on a service. Tax is tax and regardless of what you think, we're all legally and morally obliged to pay it. The people that are only "just able" to afford to send their children to private school will still be absolutely fine financially. They'll just have to put up with sending their children to state schools with the rest of us plebs.
This feels wrong. I mean if you send your kid to a private school, its your choice. Aren't we free to make that choice ? If VAT is applied then perhaps parents sending kids to private schools should be exempt from paying towards the state system, it seems only fair, otherwise its a double whammy.
Therese Coffey once said, in the House of Commons, to people struggling to afford food “But of course we do know that one of the best ways to boost their incomes is… to work some more hours, to get upskilled, to get a higher income”. Maybe that same advice can be applied here?
Can the government fund reform pedagogy models of education more so that parents are able to give their children a good alternative? Like we see in Germany or the Netherlands with Steiner schools.
The reality is, if you’ve got £10,000 spare to put on school fees, cut back on the coffee and avacados yourll find £2k. Let’s be real, these private schools like likely eat half of the 20% rise to these parents probably will only have to find £1k.
vat is not charged for children's clothes so why charge vat on schools? education is necessity. private schools provide alternatives and open up places in state schools. kids leaving private schools will probably want to go grammar schools thereby making it more difficult for children with social disadvantage backgriunds to get ahead. plus parents of private schooled children still pay council tax which partly goes to schools that their children don't use.
At what point will the government focus on making state schools better? There shouldn't be such a divide where only a small percentage of the population can go.
As always though, there's no clarity. HMRC are all over the place in terms of assisting schools with these draconian changes. It will end up costing much more than they redeem.
I’d feel more sympathy if those with money haven’t been telling the poor for years “not to have kids” if they can’t afford them. You can apply that same statement to the ability of afford your school of choice.
It's hard to conceive of a more vicious and doctrinaire piece of legislation. Apparently it's wording is so sloppy that universities face being considered private schools, with VAT due on their fees. It is also including nursery schools if they include children slightly older than the reception age range. On top of that, the children of the military and diplomats, who serve the country overseas, and who put their children in boarding school to give them security, will have to pay VAT. As upto 90% of the fee can be paid by the government, it is taxing itself. What nonsense. Education experts say it won't benefit state schools and will probably have an adverse effect on them. Dogma wins over good sense.
Everyone who pays that is rich, but there are lots of other people with similar wealth levels who prioritise abroad holidays and expensive cars. Obviously I'm not saying that people who can afford to make that choice aren't rich, but the 6% of people who go to private school probably aren't the wealthiest 6% - probably more like the wealthiest 35% (that figure is a complete guess).
@@Sheev8435 It's complicated some people indebt themselves to send their children to private school and there are different types. I don't even get why people are envious, it's a waste of money anyway. Really you'd want to design the system so everyone can go to private school or get tutors with a voucher system. The whole thing is archaic.
18.000 rich? Seriously, how low has the UK devolved? I remember in 2000-5 that the minimum I could get as a shipping office employee was double that. What has happened to you? 1100 pounds are nothing if you live in London ,with 600 pounds monthly rent for a bedsit in Catford or even in Ramsgate/Dover . My friend was on benefits/jobseekers allowance, which i think was 300 a month plus another 300 from the council for his rent. That was poor, that was on the bread line, really struggling. So my guess is that after 20 years things must have gotten more expensive. So 1100 pounds,is not enough,just over the UB.
Very true. I also went to a private school. It was nothing more than a high pressure exam factory. You weren't educated, you were trained to pass exams so the school could put the results in the brochure to get the next set of kids in. I went back to my old school after university and when I revealed that I hadn't studied that hard at university because I was demotivated after the seven year slog previously, the deputy head told me that the school knew very well that many private school pupils didn't perform so well at university because they hadn't developed the self motivation that state school kids had. He said they did try to manage parents' expectations but they had to be careful not to undermine the school's MO.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpI agree from my experience as a parent who sent her children to a private school for a short while that children are essentially managed and spoonfed in a way state schools do not. In reality if you are clever and go to a really good state school, it probably develops you better overall. However, if you are not very academically clever and go to a bad state school, it is a much worse outcome than going to private school!
Just charged children without British citizenship school fees? You’d recoup so much more? Why tax locals to subsidise internationals? They should be paying unless they gain citizenship subsequently?
Labour haven't got a clue. We've already been paying VAT at 20% since it was raised in 2011. Where's that money gone and where's the proof that even more VAT will have any effect at all on state education? Either that, or we've already paid the bill! After recent inflation, 20% VAT on anything is a lot of money! Where's it all gone?
It's her hard earned which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT. The anti aspiration party as usual.
One side of me asks why governments choose crazy things to add taxes to: a hearth tax, a window tax, stamp duty, private school fees, etc? The other side of me says: private schools are a service and services pay VAT. Yet another side asks: why are we still paying VAT when we are no longer in the EU? A properly thought out retail Purchase Tax system should replace VAT. Tax bands should reflect the essential vs luxury aspects of purchases: basic essentials being untaxed and a sliding scale applying to less essential items.
Japan has a 'consumption tax' (sales tax) which is currently at 10% and is added to everything. In essence, it is the same as VAT. Japan is also not in the EU. I don't see your point about replacing VAT with purchasing tax. It used to be that food bought in a shop didn't have VAT levied whereas restaurants, cafes and the like did. The same for children's clothing. I don't know if that has changed or not, but I can tell you that the consumption tax in Japan is across the board with absolutely no concessions at all. It seems to me that you are suggesting nothing more than a name change because you don't like the EU.
Taxing education seems fundamentally wrong to me. Private tuition does not incur tax. The government is just asking for more money to mismanage and in the process bring down the standards across the board. Those who are wealthy won't be affected by this. Those who are sacrificing everything to scrape by and invest in their children's future will be penalised.
The Tories - the most privately educated people in the country - invented VAT and then increased three times as a means of shifting the tax burden to less well off people This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
Are the schools still going to be compelled to undertake the fake charity work, “helping the local community” type stuff? Or will they give that up now they are not charities?
Not going to support this nonsense. I mean going to such low to make money out of education. Its all jealousy I guess. Also taxes private school is really going to make a difference to state school. Also not areas have good state school where there may be problem like children's getting bullied. The only option parents will left with will be to move to a catchment area which 3 times the price.
School can buy Trslas to teachers for salary sacrifice and reclaim VAT. Then pass it to their clients. Check on this data analyst in a year. Her Son will be in same school, I bet you £200.
I am sure that in 5 years time with the alleged 6,500 teachers which includes non teachers for those who are unaware that the state schools will have better grades and great quality teachers😂 For those who care to know, since the early 2000’s teachers have been getting their qualifications and teaching in countries like Dubai that actually pay teachers a decent salary and the students treat them with respect because there parents actually pay for there education. Teachers want better salaries, parents will do whatever it takes to place there children in best schools they see fit. The problem is we have an overwhelming population which both Tories and Labour refuse to address. I have been informed by a teacher that the governments aim to reach 45 pupils per class due to there own greed as each pupil is a pound sign. Wake up people it’s conquer and divide!
What I would like to see is all these hard-done-by parents be interviewed again in a years time and I guarantee all their kids will still be going to these dusty schools. Lip service. Its more than private education for most of these parents, its a club of arrogant sanctimony.
Frankly I find it difficult to feel empathy for parents that are complaining about this, when millions of people are having to rely on food banks in this country.
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
Parents taking their children out of the private sector will find that only the poor performing schools will have places for them. A sudden influx of well edicated children into these schools will help to raise standards as well as increase the funding available to the school. Seems a no brainer to me.
If you mean the average attainment of a particular poorly-performing state school may increase, that could happen, but that would not actually improve the attainment of the poorly-performing pupils who were already there. As for funding, if just 25% of private school pupils transfer to state schools because of this policy, this policy will become revenue-negative.
The rich have had £700bn in breaks in just a couple of years. While there's food banks everywhere. Time to start paying your way or send little Tommy to a regular school.
All children deserve the same level of education and opportunity unless they need additional help for very specific reasons. Increase the VAT and reinvest the money into specialist schools for SEN kids. I'm sorry but the "I've worked hard why should I be taxed" is such a useless argument like yeah I'm sure you have and I'm also sure the parent working 3 jobs and can't feed their children who then do poorly in education is working "very hard" too. They will still be well off and better off than the most disadvantaged but steps like these stop that problem getting worse. Shouldn't be penalised through accident of birth.
How about limiting yourself to the number of children you can afford? Having more kids than they can afford is the biggest self-sabotage that "working class" people do. Any couple can afford a private education (day school, not necessarily boarding) for one child. Be frugal. And be on the look-out for bursaries.
@@xx-wp3mq Compare the costs of having two children and sending to state school with the costs of having one child and sending to private school. It is not much more. And then take into account bursaries and being frugal.
When private schools increase their fees year on year, the majority of parents seem to find the means to be able to be meet the increase so i just don't get all this media attention
Actually the proportion of children in the UK enrolled in private schools has been falling dramatically. The reason that it doesn't make the news is that people think that percentage points are more important than percentages.
Most people who send their kids to private schools are not that wealthy, they can just about afford £20k, add vat and the least wealthy yet academically aspirational or as in most case have children with special needs, will have they’re children ripped out of their schools and dumped in an already over subscribed state school.
@@garywhapples7172 That's pure BS. Of course they're wealthy. This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises? I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you It's funny how other richer European countries don't have this farce of a system
Tax dodging rich people have exploited everyone else for centuries, while dodging the impact of their selfishness by 'going private'. Labour should go MUCH further and ban private schools altogether, like Finland did.
@@deanjarvis7189Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
@@TruthWillOut-hb9vc such an ignorant person with no idea of the broader implications. We have cleaners, catering staff, admin, mini bus drivers and groundsman here, many of them single mothers who can only work term time. Many on minimum wage and just getting by. This is the same across the vast majority of the industry. And all you can say s tough luck? Wow
@@deanjarvis7189I have the same level of sympathy that the tories had for all the disabled people they starved or the vulnerable they threw under the bus during the pandemic. You reap as you sow
If the difference between your kid going to Private School is a couple of hundred pounds a month then you shouldn't be sending your kid there....the potential disruption with or without the tax rise is too dangerous.....kids need stability
@moshodi100 what are you talking about? I'm talking about if your scraping by to put your kids in Private School then your taking a big risk and adding to the potential destabilisation of your child....nothing to do with envy.....try learning to read
Feel like this was known about as soon as labour won And therefore continuing to enrol and starting your child in September and now pulling them out is poor planning Huge lesson to be learnt by some
Why should multimillionaires like Rishi Sunak and Nigel Farage get a tax break on luxury education? Private Schools are a business, tax them. Labour is right.
The headteacher even said most schools have more space than them and their grounds are massive! About 10 times your average state sector. Can’t afford 20% extra?! Laughable
The need for private school arises from the terrible conditions of most state schools in the country. And you can't just shamelessly run around and blame everything on private schools.
Private schools tend to be better schools, with better facilities, better teachers, and an overall better environment for learning. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to change the attitudes of the pupils or teachers. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to improve behaviour and relationships between students, parents, and teachers. This is what's the fundamental issue.
Also, teachers don't get paid enough in the state sector and we won't fix this simply by taxing private schools more. We need to completely overhaul our system and the government is not prepared to do that.
Not to mention this video repeatedly saying that our state schools are prepared to take in more people and yet fail to realise that having 30 kids in a class is not acceptable. Kids need to be heard and seen by their teachers. I'd argue most state schools are already oversubscribed so him saying they can handle a 25% increase of private school kids is flat out wrong.
Education of our children is a really difficult issue for the country. The ideal would be to provide the excellent facilities of the Public Schools for all State Schools but the nation could never afford it. Nor would parents wish to take their kids to school on Saturday mornings for lessons nor would they want them to finish lessons as late as 7 or 8 in the evening (as in Public Schools). They might even be asked to supplement the teachers' pay out their taxed income!! The daughter of a friend of mine recently spent several months teaching at a large state school in London. It was extremely well run with sound discipline but it had next to no recreation facilities of its own (other than a tarmac roof enclosure)! The pupils were generally a delight to teach and well behaved but parental interest was minimal with only a handful of parents turning up to discuss their child's progress.
Somehow the State schools need major improvement, with better teaching, sharing the academic and extra mural facilities of the Public Schools (by making their Charitable Status more accessible) and perhaps introducing a longer school day. Teachers already have very good holidays, so they should be paid more. Trying top rocess more kids through the State Schools will not help to maintain the standards of our universities which are already feeling the effects of allowing applicants with lower grades to enter our top universities. Finally, taxing education was voted out by ECHR and hundreds of private schools are now taking the Government to the High Court for breaching this ruling. Private Schhools do a wonderful job and save the Government money!!
Typical British attitude of pulling people down. “Stay in your place” is the message.
The jealousy of parents having a bit more money or putting everything they can into their children's education is very standard Britishness.
Taxing private schools won't make state schools any better AT ALL. Just like our roads not being any better by taxing some cars more or our environmental being cleaner due to tax on car emissions. That VAT will be squandered like everything else is.
@meme4one Exactly
To presume that this is about jealousy is a very arrogant attitude and stance to take. Private schools are not charities. They are businesses providing a service. That service is not being taken away and neither are parents being restricted (by the government) from sending their children to those schools. Private schools are a luxury. They therefore should not be exempt from paying VAT as they do in any services based business. The matter of how the taxes will be utilised is a very different debate and not an appropriate argument for expecting to get an effective discount from the government when the country already provides a free education system. It seems to me that you want to have your cake and eat it. That is known as greed.
@andrewjones-productions this is exactly the jealousy being referred to in the above comment. The number of people who don't aspire to succeed and achieve, but just have things snatched and handed out to them, is simply astonishing!
@andrewjones-productions the country does not provide a 'free' education - it is paid for through general taxation. Those parents who send their children (and indeed people without children) contribute to those taxes. Effectively this means parents sending their child to independent school were paying for two educational places (their 'unused' state school place and their independent school place. Obviously that state school place will be 'lost' by parents being forced to swap - a negative impact on state schools.
@@andrewjones-productions I feel that you don't really understand how VAT works, especially stating that schools aren't charities.
And yes, the government have stated that this will help fund more state schools.
Being taxed for paying extra to send your children to a different school is ridiculous. You've already been taxed to get that money and youre also helping fund state schools you aren't using so helping support them.
You also don't pay VAT on health insurance, that provides a service but is except due to it being "insurance". There is no consistency.
And note that this VAT will only impact the ones who are just scraping through paying for private schools. The elites won't even notice. Nobody wins here.
Also note that the school will now be VAT registered so able to claw back loads of money themselves that previously the government got. It won't be a net loss for hmrc but it's a loss all the same.
My parents were migrants from Nigerian. I grew up in working class Manchester and my siblings and I went to private school. From 6 to 11 and then we went to state school from 11 onwards. My time at an all girls private school in Didsbury was priceless. I am proud of my parents for giving us the opportunity. They worked hard. Its sad to see that it is parents like mine that will be hit hardest with this decision. I think it will widen the class divide and not allow hardworking parents the parents to put their children in private school.
Private schools are what perpetuates class inequality, not VAT - I mean, they literally separate children from wealthy backgrounds from all other children. You have to be honest and admit that it’s a tiny minority of private school students that actually come from working class backgrounds. The average working class family can’t afford £20K a year on private school fees.
@liamd3747 why does everything have to revolve around the working class? Just because people are not "working class", doesn't mean they're wealthy! Contrary to the popular notion, none of the children I know come from generational wealth backgrounds in these schools. These are children of hardworking people, who make tons of sacrifices to be able to afford private schools. Hardworking people who want to give their children a better life than they themselves had. These people have toiled to get to where they are. They have waited years and years, so they're in a position to afford private schools, some have limitec the number of children to just one to be able to afford it. They have chosen to have children, when they can afford to give them good education and feed them, instead of just having kids and depend on state to raise them. This is the only country I have seen where people want to bring those who are doing well down, instead of seeking inspiration and achieve better life.
@@liamd3747 That's not going to change though, the very well off will just absorb the increase and keep their children going to private schools so creating even more of an elite. It's only the ones that are on the borderline of being able to afford it that may have to pull their children out. And then you've got disruption to the child of changing schools.
State schools should charge modest fees. That would bring billions into the system.
If state schools were not si toxic there would be no need for pruvate education .
93% of the population goes to state schools - you're seriously saying they're all "toxic"?
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
It's funny how other richer European countries don't have this farce of a system
@@j.a.0088 true, so maybe tax breaks for state school teachers then?
The fact that people who have their kids in private school see the option of having to put them into state school as a 'punishment' tells you all you need to know about the real problem here. The massive private school sector in UK is the source of inequality. Fund state schools fully and properly and enable the rich and poor to have access to the same excellent education, not a system where the rich get the good education and the rest can go swivel. Bring on the VAT. Private schools were never and will never be a charity and should never have had the exemption.
I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you. There is actual fear and hatred in these places towards the rest of the country. The country which the privately educated completely dominate and are running into the ground!
drives me nuts coz its tax, all private bissness pays tax. why are well off kids given tax breaks reserved for 'charity's'!
but greggs is supporting starving kids w breakfast clubs
If just 25% of private school pupils transfer to state school because of these taxes, the policy becomes revenue-negative.
If this tax policy is merely about increasing revenue per state school pupil, why take that risk? And furthermore why is this policy supported by the same people who want to ban private schools (which would dramatically reduce revenue per state school pupil)? Why do they consider it a good first step?
Don't tear down other people's children. Focus on nurturing your own children. A sick person's life is not improved, if their neighbour becomes sick. It may even become worse. A poorly educated child's life is not improved, because other children are now poorly educated too. It may even become worse. Inequality is not the problem.
And, no, I don't have private school fees to pay, before you ask!
@@katejackson7432 A tax break isn't giving anything. Taking less (tax) is not the same as giving more (free stuff).
Why does it upset you when "starving kids" rely on food given voluntarily by Greggs, but it doesn't upset you when "starving kids" rely on food funded by money taken by force from taxpayers?
education should not be a privilege
Don't have money, then don't go private schools. Simples
The people who can afford to go don't need the students who can't pay a luxury tax.
They don't want you with them.
They'll jack up tuition to make up the loss.
None of my entire family go to privwte school, but your comment has an air of pure jealousy
@@darthandeddeu
It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual. Politics of envy.
@@moshodi100 the same applies to people who pay health insurance, no remission, you've paid for the luxury
Some people will sacrifice going without money to better their childrens education is the easiest way to social mobility. Some people want the best and not the school round the corner.
I don't understand why private schools are treated like they're charities. They're in the business of teaching children. It just doesn't seem logical.
It would be more logical to give supermarkets charitable status. If you're giving charitable status to any business.
Because they can’t make a profit. All their money is reinvested into themselves.
@@EthanZoid it's a post colonial throwback. In the days of empire many children were educated @ govt's expense
Private schools provide a public service! how much would the state (you!) would have to pay, build new schools, employ more teachers if private students had to go public, think a little!
@@Mkalikapisa-ui7byPrivate schools provide an education that the State (you) dont have to bear the costs. you should celebrate it, it saves you money
The charity status could stay or go and they'd still be charged 0pc VAT.. Its the other part that the government will adjust - Education has 0pc Vat andthat is changing to increase the VAT to 20pc for private schools
Great. Another new tax. Tax on income, tax on spending, tax on driving, tax on medicines, and now tax on education. Forever working, forever a corporate slave, forever middle-class. UK citizens have become ball-less and those who have, already left.
According to the ONS statistics published in December 2023, in 2022/23 the government received a total of £255 billion in income taxes (PAYE and Self-Assessment) and £178 billion in National Insurance contributions. These taxes made up around 42% of the £1,027 billion total current receipts in 2022/23. Spending, known as total managed expenditure, in 2022/23 was £1,157 billion. The difference between these two numbers is public sector net borrowing (excluding public sector
banks) - commonly known as the deficit. This was £131 billion in 2022/23.
BRITISH PEOPLE ARE BEING ROYALLY SCREWED OVER 😂
This is such a Short-Sighted Policy...Imposing a 20% VAT on private schools is not just about hitting the wealthy. It’s an ill-conceived policy that will increase pressure on already struggling state schools, diminish educational opportunities for lower-income families, and reduce innovation in the education sector. This short-term revenue grab will have long-term negative impacts on the entire education system and society as a whole.
Currently, 7% of UK students are educated in private schools, which helps reduce the burden on state-funded schools. Private schools save the government approximately £3-4 billion annually by educating students without using public resources. If private school fees rise due to VAT, many families will be forced to pull their children out and turn to the already overburdened state sector. State schools are already facing funding shortfalls, increasing class sizes, and teacher shortages.
An influx of students from the private sector will only worsen these challenges, further straining resources and compromising the quality of education for all children. Contrary to popular belief, many private school students are not from extremely wealthy backgrounds. Schools offer significant bursaries and scholarships to students from lower-income families. In fact, 10% or more of their income is often allocated to support these students. A 20% VAT will make it harder for these schools to offer such financial assistance, thereby reducing opportunities for talented children from less privileged backgrounds to access high-quality education. This move disproportionately hurts middle-class families who already stretch their budgets to afford private education. The result will be fewer families being able to access this option, effectively making private schools an exclusive privilege for the ultra-wealthy and exacerbating educational inequality. Innovations developed in private schools often find their way into the state sector, helping raise standards across the board.
Forcing private schools to hike fees due to VAT will diminish their capacity to invest in these innovations, reducing the diversity of educational offerings in the UK. It limits choices for parents and students, stifling the flexibility and creativity that are so vital in education. Private schools contribute significantly to social mobility by offering scholarships and bursaries, allowing talented students from less affluent backgrounds to attend. Increasing fees will lead to reduced access, further entrenching socio-economic divides. This move is counterproductive to building a fair and inclusive society. Moreover, private schools are significant employers and contribute to the economy through local spending, infrastructure, and jobs. Higher fees could lead to declining student numbers, potentially resulting in school closures or staff reductions, which will negatively impact the economy. Countries like Singapore recognize the value of private schools and actively collaborate with them.
Singapore’s government encourages a healthy balance between public and private education, seeing the private sector as essential for providing alternative educational pathways and attracting international talent. The UK should be following a similar model, not penalizing private schools with punitive taxes that will damage their competitiveness and reputation on the global stage. Singapore spends around S$10,000 - S$12,000 (£5,800 - £7,000) annually per student in primary and secondary education. This is comparable to UK state school spending but delivered in a highly efficient and centralized system. As of 2023, the average government spending per student in state secondary schools is approximately £6,500 per year. For primary schools, this figure is slightly lower, around £5,000 per year. The UK government allocated around £56 billion for schools in England in 2022-2023. This covers teacher salaries, school infrastructure, and other operational costs. Despite the overall budget, many state schools face funding shortfalls. A 2022 report indicated that around 50% of state schools in England were facing financial difficulties, with increasing class sizes and cuts to non-core subjects (like music, arts) being common coping strategies.
It is also important to remember that parents who send their children to private schools have already paid income tax on the money they use to pay school fees. Many of these parents are middle-class families making significant sacrifices to afford private education. To impose an additional 20% VAT on top of what they’ve already paid is effectively double taxation and deeply unfair.
My 2 kids are in private schools atm in Surrey. I work extremely long hours each week to pay for the schools btw 50-60 hours on a 30k salary. And so does my husband.
A 20% increase will put us into debts. We have put them on a waiting for state schools before Labour was elected but none have space around us.
Modest middle class here being priced out and with no state school places available.
I suggest you do further research on the matter.
You should consider home-schooling.
Relocate
Oh dear never mind.
Cry me a river.
You can't afford to pay for a product you're not entitled to, I don't see the problem. They'll be fine, it's not the content your paying for.
When I heard the tale of the letter going around private school parents asking them to write to their MP saying they can't afford even if they can, I lost interest in listening to this arguement as I realised its being inflated to allow these parents to have tax payer money pay for their privilage under the pretence of charity.
Technically, those parents pay for both kids in state schools and their child in a private school through tax.
@@thedoshus5159No. They exempt themselves from the effect of their tax dodging by going private. It's time to end unearned privilege. Everyone has had enough of Tory sponges.
@@thedoshus5159well put. You get it. As per my point below
It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector. So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual.
But, because we have a three tier system in education ie, private, academies and local authority, the top two are a drain on resources at the level where they are most needed. For example, the best teachers will move to higher paid jobs (100k in some private schools).
@@moshodi100 Nonsense. Over 50% of wealth in the UK is unearned. This is about making the idle rich pay for their unearned privilege. I would go further and convert all public schools into state schools just as Finland did. You'll see a huge improvement as the rich will no longer be able to dodge the consequences of their selfishness if they use the same public services as everyone else.
The Tory, something for nothing era is OVER
Terrible policy
My son in Year 8 was offered a place in our local selective state school last week. We applied this school last year, and he didn't do well enough to gain a place and was placed on a waiting list. He will leave his private school next week, due to this short notice, I will lose this and next terms fee of £20k. On the brightside, i will have £30k spare cash every year! I would have let my son staying in his private if VAT will not be added, extra £5k is not affordable for me. By taking up this state school place, I have denied another child's opportunity to attend this school. I will probably use this spare cash to buy a house for him.
I’m sorry to hear that a lot of people who are purely running with their own emotions (maybe due to their own inability to afford a private school- which is not a bad thing) are clearly missing the point, so many children with additional support needs get neglected in the state school system and only the private schools understand how to measure this due to resources. I pray your child is able to excel in his education. Putting money into a system that is already broken like the NHS is not the solution. Is it the salaries that is forcing state teachers not wanting to teach in state schools anymore.
We used to have a Grammar school system that was deliberately run down to boost private education and hold back opportunities that used to be based on merit.
@@annaisiomaful people are emotional due to anger, not jealousy! Over the years that the private sector doubled in size, standards in public life dropped through the floor as institutions such as the civil service were deluged with rich kids educated beyond their ability. If you want to argue that the middle-classes create wealth, explain why their kids are squatting on public sector jobs with fat pensions.
Surely you can defer your place, and save the £20K. I am glad you have passed the entrance for the state school. For parents out there wanting to pass the entrance exams, swot up on IQ tests. Your child can soon master them. IQ tests do not show intelligence. They just indicate how good you are at IQ tests. Practice will enable you child to pass.
she's not being penalised, shes just not being given tax breaks as a charity. coz she's not
If you don't like UK , you should leave for your country. This country isn't a charity either for the likes of you
@@katejackson7432 so why not charge VAT on university education…. Premise is the same, except from a closed system perspective allowing private schools to continue without standard rate VAT makes sense.
@PeaceProsperity-dv7hs thats further education, u dont have a free option. its not like for like
@ yes, but you do realise that when someone for goes to a private school they’re effectively freeing up a state school place and paying the tax needed to send someone else’s kid there.
I think you’ve side stepped the logical premise of tax on education and the fact that a lot of university degrees unfortunately don’t add much value to the economy.
It's the hardworking parents who will take the hit. The rich will of course find the money by putting up prices of whatever goods and services they're selling to everyone else, so this will ultimately come out of working class people's pockets anyway! The oversubscribed state schools will still struggle and will be worse having taken on additional children. It's going to be a mess!
Nonsense. This is the propaganda that the rich in society want us to believe. The poor kids are always sacrificed for the rich. The rich can afford to help the poor kids by paying VAT.
@@N_D_2088 You're absolutely right. I know a family with 4 sons at Eton. They are already paying about £200,000 a year for them. Their attitude is that it's worth the extra money.
This is a very biased video which seems to promote the labour Vat policy. They pick a school with such good facilities and this is not an average private school. I live near a private prep school in the south east which is run practically in two houses with no more than an average house garden and still manages to teach kids well. More than half the parents in that school walk their children to school coming in buses and both parents work just to send their child for a better future. Yes, state schools needs more help (not just money but management and effective governance) but by forcing some children out of private schools who cannot afford the vat would make this country only backward. I don’t even think the vat bill would raise any net money as more children will be priced out of private and it will be too late for anyone to reverse the damage once in motion.
The tax payer will loss every time a child go into state schools ( it cost £7800 per child in state ) , so private school are not a burden on you , please stop moaning
Oh no.. who cares. They have to go to normal schools like us peasants did. They'll still have nepotism to look after them when they leave school.
It's about time the education system in the UK stops being classist.
We all should driving mini coopers by now!
@briiree typical Marxist drivel. Eveyone should be poor and only the government.champagne socialists should have anything.
Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
You’re only saying that, dear, because you are extremely low class.
I doubt that will EVER happen!
The need for private school arises from the terrible conditions of most state schools in the country. And you can't just shamelessly run around and blame everything on private schools. Private schools tend to be better schools, with better facilities, better teachers, and an overall better environment for learning. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to change the attitudes of the pupils or teachers. Throwing more money at state schools isn't going to improve behaviour and relationships between students, parents, and students. This is what's the fundamental issue. Also, teachers don't get paid enough in the state sector and we won't fix this simply by taxing private schools more. We need to completely overhaul our system and the government is not prepared to do that. Not to mention this video repeatedly saying that our state schools are prepared to take in more people and yet fail to realise that having 30 kids in a class is not acceptable. Kids need to be heard and seen by their teachers. I'd argue most state schools are already oversubscribed so him saying they can handle a 25% increase of private school kids is flat out wrong.
The question about her earnings is ridiculous! As she states, she shouldn't be penalised for working hard to afford something she really values
Taxing education, this is what it has come to.
They're businesses first and foremost.
@@byblispersephone2.094 the payee is not business. Just jealousy
I see all the 'hater'' comments here. I work three jobs and my wife two to send our two kids to private schools, and now we have to find 20% more.......My eldest has Special Needs, to get him registered on the govt list is a massive and almost impossible process. Hence, we work hard to send him to a private school so he can get the best with his conditions and make something of his life......politics of the envy, that is Britain today!!!!
@liveitlarge68 It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector.
So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxed income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual.
@liveitlarge68 Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises in a country where things are getting worse and worse?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you. And quite obviously, you are of the same mindset: sharp elbows, get out of my way
"The politics of envy"? Coming from the Tories who try to stoke resentment between every sector of society? Public sector workers, workers in trade unions, the sick, the unemployed, the disabled and amazingly, if you look at who the Young Tories have in their sights, the baby boomers and their property and pensions
I don't have children but I'd want to send my children to private school. I'm a psychologist, but at the comp I went to, hardly anyone had any goals or aspirations. It's worse now. I'm not saying I want to become a heliocopter parent and expect my children to go into medicine or clinical psychology like me. But I'd want them to go to a school that gives them the best opportunities and equips them with the social cues and graces to do well at job and uni interviews.
@@adeel-eh7xq Exactly. Well put.
My children went to state school with a couple of years in private school. I was lucky that I managed to get my children into a very, very good state secondary, but the school did have a constant battle with funding and the gap between facilities in private and state schools is enormous. I have a bad feeling about this policy, the VAT will tip a lot of parents over the edge of not being able to afford it and disrupting their kids at a critical time, particularly those about two start on their GCSEs or Nationals or are part way through. I personally think this is the wrong policy, and should have had a 2 year window so that the children who are embarking on their exam courses would not have to also deal with a change in school and all the social and emotional impacts of that. Bad move.
I went to a lot of schools as my parents moved about quite a lot and the constant effort of moving, losing friends and having to start again when people already have well established social groups over years is hard going and often lonely. Disruption at 13 to 16 is not a good experience.
Those that send their kids to private schools already pay enough in tax to the government for school places their kids don’t use….
By adding VAT on already very expensive fees you essentially take a lot of native kids out of private schools as they can no longer afford it and private schools bring in more foreigners who board…. Sure you might earn a bit more through VAT receipts but you just end up educating the world’s foreign elite and locals dont get a look in.
There is no national limit on secondary school places. Therefore, those schools saying they have space or don’t have space is subjective to that council. Therefore, those increased spaces could equate to even poorer student outcomes.
“We went to the incredibly rich schools responsible for educating the children of the wealthy elite and asked them if they should pay the same tax as everyone else. They told us they don’t think they should pay the same tax as everyone else’s.”
What a surprise
You may not have figured it out but the "wealthy elite" pay massively more tax than everyone else. That is simply unfair whichever way you look at it.
These wealthy people were also the principal causes of the financial crisis and the principal beneficiaries of the bank bailouts
Private schools should definately pay the same VAT rate as public schools - i.e. 0%. Don't post ignorant statements please.
@@Imbob62 state schools are paid for by taxation. You know, the thing tories exist to dodge? Then they absolve themselves of the consequences by going private. The day they use the same public services as everyone else, is the day those services will be properly funded
I don't understand the results of your questionable survey !!
Well private schools are closing across the country and the amount of working class people who seem happy with this amazes me! Do you have no clue as how many of your fellow working class citizens work in these schools??
I'm not talking about teachers but cleaners, chefs, kitchen assistants ( usually single mom's with school kids).
This policy is a nightmare for us
It's her hard earned which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector.
So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual.
Oh because you really care about working class people don't you!!
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
Only fools believe your propaganda.
No, I don't care. 14 years of Conservative government have taught me not to care about anyone but myself.
@@scottwales9178 It's good to put yourself first. But how are you going to benefit from this tax policy?
I didnt go to a private school. i dont know anyone who went to a private school, but this seems unfair. Education should not be taxed. These parents who choose to send their kids to a private school do so while still funding public education through their taxes and reduce the burden on the public system by not using it. There will be people in the margins who aren't multimillionaires but earn a fairly decent living and sacrifice a lot for their childrens education. They are the ones being squeezed, The middle class that Labour doesnt care about. A 20% increase in fees on top of all the other cost of living pressures on families could very well make it unafordable. To the elites, a 20% increase in fees is nothing. the tens of thousands they spend annually is nothing to them anyways. This will make private education even more elitist. The schools that cater to those in the margins who are trying to make private education more accessable and affordable to regular people will be the ones that close. Eton and Harrow will be just fine
My child would have to go into a school rated 3 and in need of improvements. I would like statistics on the number of outstanding school places are available in the state sector to absorb children from private schools. Would be interesting to see this statistic.
Odds on the parents not ditching the SUV for an old banger though to make up the rest of the money..
It’s not about just having a space, it’s about having a suitable place.
My son is autistic. Both of us (his parents) and his primary (state) school teachers agree he will struggle in mainstay high school or a full specialist school, he's essentially falls in-between. There is 1 public high school in our LA area that would cater to his needs, but getting in there is highly difficult (thanks to the Labour led local authority) and its over an hour way. So we were looking at private schools in our area which I could just afford at a push (remortgage / cull activities). Now thanks to this VAT move from this Labour government, they have actively worsening my sons prospects to getting a suitable education elsewhere. I thought Labour philosophy was about caring for and lifting people up in society, but all I've seen is them worsening my sons educational prospects impacting on his chances for a good, normal life. Screw them.
We put our boys into a small town centre independent school for the senior years (eldest) and years 5-7 (youngest) about 10/15 years ago. The fees and facilities were nowhere near the school in the video and, as modest earners, we sacrificed other things to put them there. The youngest had to return to the state system when due to my redundancy. Fortunately he got a place, but all schools in our area are full and finding places is extremely difficult, so i don't know where the fact check folk got their information from. Not all private/independent schools are in huge grounds, etc and a lot of parents sacrifice to try to help their children, particularly if state schools are failing in their area. We certainly couldn't have afforded 20% extra even on the modest fees we were paying, ie hundreds per term, not tens of thousands.
throwing money at a problem is not how you solve a problem... really? I mean the problem is the pure and simple lack of money, call it funding or cashflow issue if you like but Im sure it helps...
It's her hard earned money which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector.
So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual.
Private schools take billions per year from state schools.
It's not a benevolent act to send your children to private school. It's purely to get your children ahead in life, which is fair play if you have the money! But don't act like it's some charitable act just to boost one's ego and justify avoiding paying tax on a service.
Tax is tax and regardless of what you think, we're all legally and morally obliged to pay it. The people that are only "just able" to afford to send their children to private school will still be absolutely fine financially. They'll just have to put up with sending their children to state schools with the rest of us plebs.
@moshodi100 how is that different to any other purchase in life?
Of course it will.
LVS currently are short on Maths teachers as they refuse to pay a living wage for Ascot.
Head needs to be focusing on that instead of lobbying.
This feels wrong. I mean if you send your kid to a private school, its your choice. Aren't we free to make that choice ? If VAT is applied then perhaps parents sending kids to private schools should be exempt from paying towards the state system, it seems only fair, otherwise its a double whammy.
Preach!
Ridiculous argument.
What's wrong is the countries class division.
Therese Coffey once said, in the House of Commons, to people struggling to afford food “But of course we do know that one of the best ways to boost their incomes is… to work some more hours, to get upskilled, to get a higher income”. Maybe that same advice can be applied here?
LOL
The whole of life is competitive, so grow up
Can the government fund reform pedagogy models of education more so that parents are able to give their children a good alternative? Like we see in Germany or the Netherlands with Steiner schools.
The reality is, if you’ve got £10,000 spare to put on school fees, cut back on the coffee and avacados yourll find £2k. Let’s be real, these private schools like likely eat half of the 20% rise to these parents probably will only have to find £1k.
No other country in Europe aside from Greece, charge VAT on private school fees.
vat is not charged for children's clothes so why charge vat on schools? education is necessity. private schools provide alternatives and open up places in state schools. kids leaving private schools will probably want to go grammar schools thereby making it more difficult for children with social disadvantage backgriunds to get ahead. plus parents of private schooled children still pay council tax which partly goes to schools that their children don't use.
Private school isn’t a necessity, like clothes are. State school education is free of cost.
@@liamd3747 But there are cheaper clothes and costlier clothes. Costlier clothes aren't a necessity.
At what point will the government focus on making state schools better? There shouldn't be such a divide where only a small percentage of the population can go.
As always though, there's no clarity. HMRC are all over the place in terms of assisting schools with these draconian changes. It will end up costing much more than they redeem.
Private schools have been increasing fees well above the rate of inflation for years. Adding VAT is a small extra cost.
I’d feel more sympathy if those with money haven’t been telling the poor for years “not to have kids” if they can’t afford them. You can apply that same statement to the ability of afford your school of choice.
Exactly 100% this. They can't afford a product, it's a simple as that.
An outrageous policy, the country will suffer the consequences
It's hard to conceive of a more vicious and doctrinaire piece of legislation. Apparently it's wording is so sloppy that universities face being considered private schools, with VAT due on their fees. It is also including nursery schools if they include children slightly older than the reception age range. On top of that, the children of the military and diplomats, who serve the country overseas, and who put their children in boarding school to give them security, will have to pay VAT. As upto 90% of the fee can be paid by the government, it is taxing itself. What nonsense. Education experts say it won't benefit state schools and will probably have an adverse effect on them. Dogma wins over good sense.
Labour are MAD
'They're not rich' - most normal people would think a family with £18K spare per year to be rich. They're certainly not on the bread line..
It’s not rich. Rich is like having hundreds of thousands spare. Money is worth a lot less now.
'spare'. Perhaps not spending on new cars, clothes, holidays abroad, sky TV, restaurants, takeaways, allows some families to prioritise education.
Everyone who pays that is rich, but there are lots of other people with similar wealth levels who prioritise abroad holidays and expensive cars. Obviously I'm not saying that people who can afford to make that choice aren't rich, but the 6% of people who go to private school probably aren't the wealthiest 6% - probably more like the wealthiest 35% (that figure is a complete guess).
@@Sheev8435 It's complicated some people indebt themselves to send their children to private school and there are different types. I don't even get why people are envious, it's a waste of money anyway.
Really you'd want to design the system so everyone can go to private school or get tutors with a voucher system. The whole thing is archaic.
18.000 rich? Seriously, how low has the UK devolved?
I remember in 2000-5 that the minimum I could get as a shipping office employee was double that.
What has happened to you?
1100 pounds are nothing if you live in London ,with 600 pounds monthly rent for a bedsit in Catford or even in Ramsgate/Dover .
My friend was on benefits/jobseekers allowance, which i think was 300 a month plus another 300 from the council for his rent.
That was poor, that was on the bread line, really struggling.
So my guess is that after 20 years things must have gotten more expensive.
So 1100 pounds,is not enough,just over the UB.
As a person who went to a private school, i think its a waste of money, it isn't a guarantee of good grades. Best keep that money safe for university.
Very true. I also went to a private school. It was nothing more than a high pressure exam factory. You weren't educated, you were trained to pass exams so the school could put the results in the brochure to get the next set of kids in. I went back to my old school after university and when I revealed that I hadn't studied that hard at university because I was demotivated after the seven year slog previously, the deputy head told me that the school knew very well that many private school pupils didn't perform so well at university because they hadn't developed the self motivation that state school kids had. He said they did try to manage parents' expectations but they had to be careful not to undermine the school's MO.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpI agree from my experience as a parent who sent her children to a private school for a short while that children are essentially managed and spoonfed in a way state schools do not.
In reality if you are clever and go to a really good state school, it probably develops you better overall. However, if you are not very academically clever and go to a bad state school, it is a much worse outcome than going to private school!
Perhaps you didn't do any work ??!!
@@peterloup2302 how could I have got any work done with the arsehole checkbook parents I had!
Just charged children without British citizenship school fees? You’d recoup so much more? Why tax locals to subsidise internationals? They should be paying unless they gain citizenship subsequently?
Let's tax education. What a fantastic idea for a country to grow! Find one more country that taxes education and you aspire to be like!
Why not, since private
education is run as business , commercialized so much.
Not all private schools are not-for-profit. Cognita Schools are for-profit and were (until now) exempt from VAT.
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Labour haven't got a clue. We've already been paying VAT at 20% since it was raised in 2011. Where's that money gone and where's the proof that even more VAT will have any effect at all on state education? Either that, or we've already paid the bill! After recent inflation, 20% VAT on anything is a lot of money! Where's it all gone?
I went to a public school .
I’m sorry but a base of 50,000 pounds is way above the national average.
Private schools are not charities. They are a service which people pay for. They should therefore pay VAT.
What about universities then?
what about nurseries or home tutors?
@@wheredoyoustand2483universities are also not charities. Clearly they're not.
That mum at the end didn't agree with "throwing money at the problem", isn't that what she's doing by sending her kid to a public schooling ?
It's her hard earned which she is already taxed on. She is reducing the strain on the public sector.
So now those who can just scrape by will be taxed 3 times: council tax, paying private fees out of their taxd income and now VAT.
The anti aspiration party as usual.
“ What’s good for me is not good for thee”. - the privileged class of the UK.
It funny because most of the labour front brench sent their kids to private school cant make it up
One side of me asks why governments choose crazy things to add taxes to: a hearth tax, a window tax, stamp duty, private school fees, etc? The other side of me says: private schools are a service and services pay VAT.
Yet another side asks: why are we still paying VAT when we are no longer in the EU? A properly thought out retail Purchase Tax system should replace VAT. Tax bands should reflect the essential vs luxury aspects of purchases: basic essentials being untaxed and a sliding scale applying to less essential items.
Japan has a 'consumption tax' (sales tax) which is currently at 10% and is added to everything. In essence, it is the same as VAT. Japan is also not in the EU. I don't see your point about replacing VAT with purchasing tax. It used to be that food bought in a shop didn't have VAT levied whereas restaurants, cafes and the like did. The same for children's clothing. I don't know if that has changed or not, but I can tell you that the consumption tax in Japan is across the board with absolutely no concessions at all. It seems to me that you are suggesting nothing more than a name change because you don't like the EU.
Taxing education seems fundamentally wrong to me. Private tuition does not incur tax. The government is just asking for more money to mismanage and in the process bring down the standards across the board.
Those who are wealthy won't be affected by this. Those who are sacrificing everything to scrape by and invest in their children's future will be penalised.
The Tories - the most privately educated people in the country - invented VAT and then increased three times as a means of shifting the tax burden to less well off people
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
But Education and Charities should not. Watch this space with ECHR
Are the schools still going to be compelled to undertake the fake charity work, “helping the local community” type stuff? Or will they give that up now they are not charities?
Not going to support this nonsense. I mean going to such low to make money out of education. Its all jealousy I guess.
Also taxes private school is really going to make a difference to state school. Also not areas have good state school where there may be problem like children's getting bullied. The only option parents will left with will be to move to a catchment area which 3 times the price.
School can buy Trslas to teachers for salary sacrifice and reclaim VAT. Then pass it to their clients. Check on this data analyst in a year. Her Son will be in same school, I bet you £200.
I am sure that in 5 years time with the alleged 6,500 teachers which includes non teachers for those who are unaware that the state schools will have better grades and great quality teachers😂
For those who care to know, since the early 2000’s teachers have been getting their qualifications and teaching in countries like Dubai that actually pay teachers a decent salary and the students treat them with respect because there parents actually pay for there education. Teachers want better salaries, parents will do whatever it takes to place there children in best schools they see fit. The problem is we have an overwhelming population which both Tories and Labour refuse to address. I have been informed by a teacher that the governments aim to reach 45 pupils per class due to there own greed as each pupil is a pound sign.
Wake up people it’s conquer and divide!
More than enough spaces, they’ll be alright.
Yea
Of course it will
What I would like to see is all these hard-done-by parents be interviewed again in a years time and I guarantee all their kids will still be going to these dusty schools. Lip service. Its more than private education for most of these parents, its a club of arrogant sanctimony.
There is a way round it. Migrants like me know it.
Tax Churches and Moscs
Unfortunately the less privileged kids already have those spaces
Channel 4: so we,'re rich now if we dont need a food bank
Frankly I find it difficult to feel empathy for parents that are complaining about this, when millions of people are having to rely on food banks in this country.
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp You obviously went to the wrong school. I went to public school from 13 and the emphasis was on service to others.
Parents taking their children out of the private sector will find that only the poor performing schools will have places for them. A sudden influx of well edicated children into these schools will help to raise standards as well as increase the funding available to the school. Seems a no brainer to me.
😂😂😂 wow so we need well educated children to raise the standards in state schools?
If you mean the average attainment of a particular poorly-performing state school may increase, that could happen, but that would not actually improve the attainment of the poorly-performing pupils who were already there.
As for funding, if just 25% of private school pupils transfer to state schools because of this policy, this policy will become revenue-negative.
7:05 "throwing money at a problem is not how you resolve a problem" okay explain why private schools exist then
She is a hypocrite.
Ask your government to fund education instead of spending billions on "defense "( who are you afraid of?france? Or russia?.gimme a break)
Remove charity status from private schools!!!!!
Private school should cut their dividends to absorb their VAT rise
Why they treated as charity, when their business.
It's a joke!
Who do they pay dividends to? As charitable organisations any 'profits' have to be reinvested in the school
They don't make profits, they are charities! There are no shareholders!
The rich have had £700bn in breaks in just a couple of years. While there's food banks everywhere. Time to start paying your way or send little Tommy to a regular school.
Well, aren't you generous for refraining from taking £700bn? How ever will they "repay" you?
Cancel Sky Netflix stop buying expensive coffees and get Lee Anderson to make a few meals for you !!!!
@davidpearson243 .....and no more smashed avocado either or else Hugo and Pandora will have to go the same schools as all those common scum !
All children deserve the same level of education and opportunity unless they need additional help for very specific reasons. Increase the VAT and reinvest the money into specialist schools for SEN kids. I'm sorry but the "I've worked hard why should I be taxed" is such a useless argument like yeah I'm sure you have and I'm also sure the parent working 3 jobs and can't feed their children who then do poorly in education is working "very hard" too. They will still be well off and better off than the most disadvantaged but steps like these stop that problem getting worse. Shouldn't be penalised through accident of birth.
How about limiting yourself to the number of children you can afford? Having more kids than they can afford is the biggest self-sabotage that "working class" people do.
Any couple can afford a private education (day school, not necessarily boarding) for one child. Be frugal. And be on the look-out for bursaries.
@@YorickReturns "Any couple can afford a private education", laughably out of touch
@@xx-wp3mq Compare the costs of having two children and sending to state school with the costs of having one child and sending to private school. It is not much more. And then take into account bursaries and being frugal.
When private schools increase their fees year on year, the majority of parents seem to find the means to be able to be meet the increase so i just don't get all this media attention
Actually the proportion of children in the UK enrolled in private schools has been falling dramatically. The reason that it doesn't make the news is that people think that percentage points are more important than percentages.
All private schools should be made state
HOW???
No because the extra tax revenue can fund state schools.
Who cares about private schools. If you can afford £20k a year what’s an extra 20%. This is all privilege.
Most people who send their kids to private schools are not that wealthy, they can just about afford £20k, add vat and the least wealthy yet academically aspirational or as in most case have children with special needs, will have they’re children ripped out of their schools and dumped in an already over subscribed state school.
@@garywhapples7172 That's pure BS. Of course they're wealthy.
This society is completely dominated by the privately educated. If these places are so wonderful why are they churning out people who've presided over so many crises?
I tell you why because I went to a private school: you're inculcated from day one to think you're better than the rest of society and that you should think only of yourself and people like you
It's funny how other richer European countries don't have this farce of a system
@@garywhapples7172 An extra 20K is wealthy in vast majority of G7 countries, you're completely out of touch, it's embarrasing.
Tax dodging rich people have exploited everyone else for centuries, while dodging the impact of their selfishness by 'going private'. Labour should go MUCH further and ban private schools altogether, like Finland did.
So what about us that work in private schools? Should we be put out of a job for your ideology?
@@deanjarvis7189Worst government ever and it has only been 2 months. Unfit for purpose and office. Time to get away from this country. VAT on school fees for people who can just about afford/ scrape the school fees with scholarships, help from parents, and 2nd jobs! The middle class get stung as the really rich won't be affected, increasing the numbers of working class and ending the middle class. The anti aspiration party. You will be happy and own or have nothing.
@@deanjarvis7189 too bad. The parties are over and the bills are in. Why should the rest of us subsidize private schools?
@@TruthWillOut-hb9vc such an ignorant person with no idea of the broader implications. We have cleaners, catering staff, admin, mini bus drivers and groundsman here, many of them single mothers who can only work term time. Many on minimum wage and just getting by. This is the same across the vast majority of the industry.
And all you can say s tough luck? Wow
@@deanjarvis7189I have the same level of sympathy that the tories had for all the disabled people they starved or the vulnerable they threw under the bus during the pandemic. You reap as you sow
If the difference between your kid going to Private School is a couple of hundred pounds a month then you shouldn't be sending your kid there....the potential disruption with or without the tax rise is too dangerous.....kids need stability
Who are you to say that? Pathetic. Politics envy.
@moshodi100 what are you talking about? I'm talking about if your scraping by to put your kids in Private School then your taking a big risk and adding to the potential destabilisation of your child....nothing to do with envy.....try learning to read
Feel like this was known about as soon as labour won
And therefore continuing to enrol and starting your child in September and now pulling them out is poor planning
Huge lesson to be learnt by some
Time to sell the second home.
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Teachers in private schools aren't paid any different.
if these schools were truely charities, they would absorb the extra cost for now
Can you imagine all these rich Karen’s sending their kids to state schools? Within 5 years state schools will improve to keep the toffs quiet
Perhaps those state schools will begin to teach children how to use the apostrophe?
Just 7% of British people are privately educated.
Why should multimillionaires like Rishi Sunak and Nigel Farage get a tax break on luxury education? Private Schools are a business, tax them. Labour is right.
The headteacher even said most schools have more space than them and their grounds are massive! About 10 times your average state sector. Can’t afford 20% extra?! Laughable