The Ugly Jagdpanzer -- Post-Build Review: Pz.Kpfw.IV L/70 (A) Final Production (Dragon 6784)
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- Today we will summarize the build of Dragon 6784 Pz.Kpfw.IV L/70 (A) Final Production. A hideous vehicle for sure, but also a cool one...and this boxing does provide some unique late-war features for the build.
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Bruce The Model Noob has already posted three updates on his build progress. I recommend you check them out since he gives a great breakdown of the history of the vehicle, and he also caught some things even I missed :)
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Watching Bruce's videos I was waiting when he showed how gun sight is moved when gun is moving. And I saw this only in your video)
@@CatEatsDogs I was boring and glued my gun in place.
@@brucethemodelnoob You know, english is not my native language. I was typing and deleting my comment for your video about the movable sight several times :D To glue the gun is a nice idea btw. I'm working on trumpeter e-25 whereis this gun sight missed. So i'm kinda researching how these gun sights were working on hetzer, jagddpanthers etc. In order to design something similar for e-25.
Evan, love your post build reviews. They are infinitely more useful than unboxing videos. I doubt I will ever build this kit yet I still enjoy watching the whole thing. Cheers.
(An)dys Hob(by Headquarters has switched from build videos to unboxing videos and become boring and painful to watch).
Love your work, had such an impact on how I model, I used to make models with my Dad as a kid. It's only recently I've got back into it, I'm 52 and had mental heath problems (who hasn't) modelling has become my therapy and you are a big part of my therapy, just want to say thank you.
Your review videos are always so good Evan. I find it really interesting how you dig deep into the bones of your builds. Great job!
Great post-build review! Ugly is in the eye of the beholder I guess… just think of it as a StuG with a growth hormone surplus. 😂
I really love all of the little detail upgrades you added. I’m curious to see how you’re going to approach the paint.
The casting markings do look super-cool, but I still haven’t been able to find photos of them on any vehicle other than the prototype.
(And thanks for the shout-out 😃)
It's ugly AND beautiful :) I look forward to painting it. Maybe this time I'll actually spray the green first!
Good video!! I have built, or should I say - I have a build in progress for about 10 years now - of Dragon's 1994 version of this vehicle (kit #6015). Think my kit is roughly 85% complete. Typical Dragon manufacturing from 1990s, so taking your time and "modifying" parts, trying to figure out what the instructions are trying to tell you, and many other "obstacles" has made this probably one of my slowest builds ever!! Eventually will get it complete - hopefully before I die, but it will get complete. Think the shape & look of this vehicle is quite awesome, definitely something different and gets your attention when placed next to all those other tank destroyers, regardless of type.
After building numerous Dragon kits from 1990s, pretty much avoid this manufacturer unless they offer something that really really catches my attention. Italeri is the same way - way too many PTSD flashbacks building their kits.
Can't wait to see this painted....
Awesome build …. Dragon makes model building a project
You got that right! But I don't mind a big of a challenge :)
being able to print workable tracks already assembled is a game changer. Well worth it.
Looking good, another GREAT video!
Thank you!
Great build I am in progress of building this kit now, I have started building my kits on a sheet of 5mm glass this keeps everything nice and flat. Some kit are very warped. Thanks for doing this build, is gr8 help
Thanks for the heads up on this kit. i do have this in the stash.....Only looked at it out of the box several times before putting it back... One day.....One day it will get started...
Wow, you really made a great job with the background work and analysis of photos and available information about the vehicle. The build is extremely detailed... The upcoming paintwork is probably going to be nothing short of stellar, looking forward to it.
Love the attention to detail such as the final return roller stands you added, even if you cant really see them, they make the model a lot more cooler. I also made a RFM Panzer IV J Late that shared a lot of similar parts with that model, unfortunately I later realized I glued the Thoma hooks onto the rail in the wrong position. Apparently the far position allow more space for winterketten or ostketten and the close position is for normal tracks, there are also brackets attached to the fenders that can be folded down if these larger tracks were to be mounted.
Very impressed with the warping fix
I really appreciate your work making this. I have this in the build pile and this will save me a lot of time.
looks great my jagdpanzer is almost ready just need to finish the skirts, great tip for installing the skirts. i also have a tip for the loose wheels. i always use a little bit of green stuff masking putty, after gluing the magic tracks just simply remove wheels and masking putty
Looking good on the build thanks for all the detail.
Outstanding video and presentation.
I have one of these kits lurking in my loft waiting to be built so this excellent walk through will come in really handy. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Very enjoyable. Looking forward to seeing the painting and weathering 😉
This was my first model kit. Love it and love this tank. I want to build another one now that I kind of know what I'm doing. But it's nice reassurance to see that I used some of same techniques that Evan did and that I actually managed to do the folliage ties
Dragon kits are, these days; baffling. They give you bending jigs for the PE side skirts and they also give you a warped hull and warped superstructure in the same kit. Don't know what to think about that. I can see a modeler of lesser experience being turned off to the hobby because of a miscue like that. But, for those with a little more experience; they do offer some unique subject matter. I just started a Ryefield Panzer IV, yesterday. I already found a pretty substantial error in the instructions. They refer you to steps 19 & 20 for the engine. Steps 19 & 20 are the gun breech. The engine is in unnumbered steps at the end. So, I guess; errors and miscues occur in all brands. It pays to stay on your toes, I guess. Very well done, as usual.
Have ran into that same problem with a Takom kit am working on. Alao, seems to be the norm for Italeri kits as well. Also, when building a few Italeri kits, have discovered NO parts numbers on the sprue's while there are parts numbers in the instructions - quite baffling and the head-scratcher there.
Adding this one to my watch list, thanks! Will you be building the Das Werk 1/16 StuG in the future? I’m dying to see the guru himself tackle the kit.
Another enjoyed post build review. Thank you.
Amazing Dragon can still produce warped kits and stay in business.
I have not purchased a Dragon kit in 9 years.
EXCELLENT video, thank you for posting.
Nice job all around. Great build and equally nice presentation. Thanks for putting this out.
Thank you Rick :) love your videos!
Like your post build review! Much more helpful.
Beautiful work! I appreciate your knowledge and attention to detail. Nice recovery on the warped parts. I'm building the Dragon Jagdpanzer IV V and it went together amazing well, absolute perfect fit. So, I guess you never know? Of course Dragon's instructions are always an issue. I look forward to seeing the Jagdpanzer in paint.
Bruce is building this kit along with me and his was not really warped at all. Just a tiny bit on the superstructure that was easy to fix. So I guess I got unlucky with how mine was packaged or shipped at some point.
I will do videos on painting and weathering this one too :)
@@Panzermeister36 I'll check out Bruce's build. Nice buddy build, cool subject. If you have room for new guys I'd like to get in on a group build (assuming I have what you're building).
Very nice! I am intrigued by the mechanism of the gun and how it is linked with the sight. It is actually not of much use to a modeller but its cool anyway :) The damaged skirts and rails are a great detail.
I built the Vomag version & those casting numbers on the mantlet were the most challenging part to apply. 🙇♂
Can't beat the Stug 3! You have far more patience than I do.
Great update, full off useful information. Many Thanks
Always loved the high profiled look of this particular version of the jagdpanzer. Looks a bit like the jagdtiger's little brother. :)
You should build a external mount for the gun assembly so you can see everything inside after it’s all scratch built and all of the cannon while outside the housing
Excellent review and much more informative than in-box reviews. I may have to try finding this kit. I like Magic Tracks too and have not bought any Dragon kits with the awful DS tracks. They want a premium price for their kits and the thought of having to shell out for aftermarket tracks as well rubs me the wrong way, especially since they already have the molds to produce Magic Tracks.
Excellent video! I hope you continue with videos on painting and weathering. 👍
I for sure will continue videos on painting and weathering this one :)
Good work mate!!! :)
Thank you! Cheers!
Looks great, looking forward to seeing it painted!
Have you ever built a miniart panzer 4? Do you recommend them?
Thank you! Sorry I'm no Panzer IV expert...I've only ever build Dragon ones. I have an RFM too that I'm slowly working on. No Miniart.
Throwing my two cents in....Miniarts and Ryefield ....great fits and great details....and a lot of full interior kits....
But don't tread lightly....the quantity of parts can drive you to madness...but the fit is incredible...not a weekend build...
From spares in RFM stug looks like the Erszatz M7 stug is on way.It has front plate modification to disguise bolted front plate and weld seam's.
Thanks for the review.
*I don't like too this Jadpanzer because it's too high but quite efficient on the battlefield, very nice build and your explanations are very interesting.*
i got a bunch of old airbrush needles..... sowing needles. They do it all!
I want to start out by saying you do amazing work, all of your projects and builds turned out so detailed.. I've been watching your channel for years now and always refer to it for tips and tricks. I have a question not related to this video. Do you have a recommended website or a favorite website that you buy your supplies from whether it be paint, tools, kits or accessory parts from? Although I bounce between two different websites, they're great and what one doesn't have the other does, vice versa. I didn't know if there is an end all be all website to purchase all modeling needs that I have failed to find. Thanks in advance. Keep up the fantastic work and videos🤙🤙
excellent as usual. It is very well done
I like your videos. Who knows how long the kit was in a hot warehouse or Truck before you purchased it. Those plastic parts probably warp.
Amazing build, and goes without saying, required a lot of patience. Looking forward to the painting and weathering on this kit.
Also, I want to add some armor to my stash. And, back in the day, I was a huge fan of the Battlefield series (logged more hours than I want to admit) Some of my favorite vehicles I used in the game were the BTR-90, LAV-25, and also the WZ551. Is there a particular manufacturer you recommend that has a good detailed kit of any or all of these? And 1/35 scale.
Thank you! For those kits, Trumpeter makes a ton of BTRs are they're great. Same with LAVs. Wz551 I'm not sure but they might make one too.
@@Panzermeister36 I appreciate that info very much. I will check and see what's available and pick up one. 👍
Or maybe 2....
@Panzermeister36 I know you got some Badger airbrushes, and by looking at them it looks like the cups can not be taken of like on many other airbrushes. Is the cups moulded into the airbrushes?
Yes they are
Good job!
Very informative video as always. Personally love this ugly but deadly vehicle. I was wondering what reference book you have shown ?. A book from Tank Craft ?
It really isnt that ugly man. Lol Excellent build and review. I may have to add one to my collection. I've been collecting light tanks recently, so I may have to go up in weight class again.
It's a little ugly but I till love it :)
@@Panzermeister36 I very much enjoyed the review. I love all the damage and extra added details.
I am going to have to PM Bruce and see if I can cop some of those foliage loops he made. Those are amazing.
@@dantimmerman6693 yeah I want some of them too now. They look much better than the stock blobs...
@@Panzermeister36 Absolutely. Bruce did that kit some justice with those little handles. I had a good laugh when he compared them to the PE part. Way out of scale and two dimensional to be believable. 3d printing is evolving this hobby into something we've never seen before.
In-the-box reviews do have some value, albeit not much.
What I want to know is, does the kit accurately depict the prototype, is the kit well molded - no short shots (although I'll give this a bye if no other reviewers report similar findings as it can be missed in packaging, mistakes do occur; poor detailing (soft edges, missing details), incorrect instructions - unmarked parts, here again I can forgive adding parts that could be installed later for ease of assembly
- ONLY for kits designed for modelers with some experience - as I believe experienced modelers will know to read through the instructions pre-build and make notes. And finally, quality of the plastic itself, as I remember a few years ago when some companies were using an inferior mix, causing a lot of breakage.
Don't tell me about 'Ease/Difficulty of assembly", because you the reviewer hasn't got the foggiest idea as you haven'tt built it TO know. And yes, you can say that the company has an overall history of continuing poór quality. But ONLY if the history is continuing. I don't care that 10 years ago that the company had a por history as long as it stopped.
I actually like its looks. I have the earlier version on the to-be-built shelf along with the corresponding PE set from Griffin.
I do like it too. It is a little odd-looking but also intimidating.
To hold the tie downs i used my soldeing iron to just heat them enough to melt into plastic then superglue work gr8
Dragon seems to be more miss than hit these days. Pretty sure the Hobby Boss (Tristar) molding of this vehicle went together better, for me at least. Hopefully Takom or RFM starts expanding their line into more obscure models like this. Not saying they're perfect but definitely an improvement.
As always great review, lots of historical info on the lV L/70 (A) 👍 Excited that you're building this with Adam and Bruce! Btw, beauty is in the eye of beholder, lol! Funny that Germany built some of the most stunning machines of the war and yet, so many ugly 'ducks' like this 😉
Hey guys just a photoetch tip: homemade slime for placing the smallest of parts, mix it plain white no scents or sparkles 😆
Grrreat Job!!
@Ethan: To make the photoetch D rings a bit easier, take a solid copper wire of the right size for the rounded part of the D and then sand down the other side to a flat profile. That is, make the solid copper wire into a D cross section shape. Now just bend your photoetch band around your D shaped wire. Voila! D rings.
I got the Hobby boss version of this cake I hope it’s just as nice
Nice I like the plastic colour easier to see paint coverage...not sure like the 7 piece wheels lol...wish companies would do seperate tyres...cant be that much harder to mold them..especially on the IV series tanks done enough I want seperate tyres...lol .looks decent kit not sure im fussed on the look of that odd top suuperstructure
What divisions were they attached to?
I haven’t been able to find a complete list, but some served with:
7.Pz.Div.
17.Pz.Div.
21.Pz.Div.
24.Pz.Div.
25.Pz.Div.
103.Pz.Bde.
208.Pz.Abt.
561.s.Pz.Jg.Abt.
+@@brucethemodelnoob Thank You! I really appreciate your time. Any armor I do is usually Eastern Front 1943-45. I never really paid much attention to this vehicle. I guess it must have performed well against the JS-2/ JSU-122m/JSU-152/SU-100. Have quite a bit of ref on Eastern Front too. Still can,t determine if any Jagdtigers were deployed against Soviet heavy armor in East Prussia, Silesia, West Prussia or Pomerania-Posen area. Thanks again!
@Panzermeister36 I know you have used Ak real colors a lot and I have a question. I got some wheels for a Tank and I got them painted in Ak real colors, my plan is to paint the rubber part on the wheels with humbrol enamel, and my plan is to remove any mistakes with Odorless thinner from Ammo by mig. Do you know if the Ak real colors will handle the enamel thinners like laqcuer paints from Tamiya or Mr color would? Or do you think I need a laqcuer based clear to protect the Ak real colors? I have a feeling that they might not survive enamel thinners because their more similar to Tamiya acrylic and Mr hobby Aqueous that needs a clear coat in order to not get stripped. Have you ever wheatered right over Ak real colors with enamel thinners or white spirit?
AK Real Color are lacquers and should be very durable. But, they can stain a little due to the thinner. They won't be damaged but by staining I mean it will darken it a little. So you might want to apply a varnish anyways :)
@@Panzermeister36 Thank you wery much, the wheels are supposed to look damadged so if the paint gets darkened its no problem!
Personally I love this tank, it's ugly in a good way and is kind of like a small jagdtiger. I was just thinking about starting building mine, so nice timing eith the video.
I agree! It is a tough-looking kind of ugly :) Hope my video is helpful during your build!
Very nice
Dragon should hire you as a consultant. I always find your reviews very useful. They also make me not want to buy Dragon models.
Nice work Evan. Although I have to disagree with your assessment. I don't think this is a hideous looking machine at all. Nicely done on your part. Jim
Question if you have nice molded one piece barrel why you replace it with a metal one ?
A one-piece plastic barrel still has a mold seam along it, plus no rifling detail at the muzzle.
I found a L70 with all steal roadwheels and rear welded idler. I want to build it, but is there a front picture of it of any picture of it?
That sound interesting! Can you share this photo with me?
@Panzermeister36
I'll get a picture out to you. Where do I send it?
She might be an ugly beast but your build is beautiful. Would love to se the finish project. I do have 1 question , who makes the resign tool claps you use. Would like to get a set and try them out my self.
I would recommend the 3D tool clamps and accessories from TREX. Other brands make them too but TREX's are the best.
Still a work of art under you hoho
I hate Dragon instructions, but I've been building AFV models for so long sometimes I just use their instructions as a sort of guide because I found out in the past if you follow Dragons instuctions to letter they always "f" up something. Why can't they be like Tamiya I love their instructions.
I built the hobbyboss kne but I used the steel road wheels out the jagdpanzer 6 day war kit they were just 2 half's nothing like these! I've never seen these from Dragon before I love thus vehicle alot just strange why they put them steel wheels in the kit and not the other's as exactly the same correct but front and back that's it! Putty you can't post photos in comments I've got it in front of me I'd have shown you!
Hasnt got that 'sneaky' PzIV L70 ,stug look.Just got RFM stug III.Better than dragon,by quite a margin.Detail and scale come across as more accurate,3D printed stug parts created to scale fit RFM but small on dragon?From muzzle brakes to toolclamp's and return rollers and thier mounts.
I just got the RFM StuG the other day too. Looking forward to the build!
@@Panzermeister36 Nice one,can't wait to see how much difference you think there is.I'm on a third Sherman by them,i don't even like sherman's?
Don't think "ugly" was a consideration under the critical circumstances of that time when output from Alkett and every factory capable of outputting Jagdpanzers in defence of the Reich was vital. Agree that its tall superstructure renders it nowhere near as aesthetically attractive as that of its sibling Pz.Kpfw. IV L/70 (V) though. I have Dragon's 6397 late variant. Yes, no Zimmerit required -before mouded in Zimmerit became an appreciated 'inclusion'. I have a mid production Dragon (6460) Brummbär which requires it but was issued before the modelled Zimmerit evolution. Still in the stash until I either bite the bullet and pay for ATAK or onsell it cheap to replace it with the newer moulded in Zimmerit version (6892). But I digress. That said, the earlier production L/48 variant of the Pz.Kpfw. IV was arguably the most proportionally aesthetic when it came to that. I like Dragon kits, but the SMARTer the better. As much slide moulding as possible please, as PE has become a challenge too far for my old eyes and fingers challenging even the increased patience of age.
Not the prettiest fighting vehicle but a great built and great video presentation 😉
Thank you! :)
Someone should make a comparison of the Jagdpanzer IV L70 (A) of Hobby Boss, Tamiya and Dragon...
Which return roller stand did they use on the H?
The cast stand.
The welded one is only on late Pz IV J and vehicles built on that chassis.
Hopefully the new tamiya version coming in april will be accurate
It's based on the same Vehicle in Saumur, so it has the same handful of errors. But, it looks pretty good and much less fiddly.
I built that tank. Tamiya version. I dont think its ugly at all. Stug is much better looking and a way better tank, but i enjoyed the build
Many people think this vehicle is not pleasant when compared to the Vomag-Factory version which is much sleeker. But personally I quite like this one!
@@Panzermeister36 Personally, I think ALL the Soviet SUs are way uglier than this frakenstien.
I have this in the yet to be built Cyber Hobby Orange Kit 9127,
That's a bit of an older kit and I doubt it shares parts with this one. But, I imagine it's still a great build :)
10 mm warp is not acceptable.The Dragon kits are not cheap.
Other people did not have this issue. It likely warped in the previous modeler's collection.
I bet they were rebuilds.
Nope, built on Pz IV J hulls that were not completed as normal Pz IV
Hi
To me the difference between the two variants is just that one of them is taller
why is it says it is ugly.it is not ugly at all
First
This is really ugly but well done
Damn it is ugly…
That was a bad warp
I have Zvevda Elefant with a serious warp I boiled water and placed the model piece in it for 30 seconds to a minute pulled it out and let it cool on the counter with the weight on it
Glad to hear that worked! I will give that a try next time I have a warped hull.
@@Panzermeister36
Just when the water comes to a boil turn it off and dip in the warped piece