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- Originally link from: sbcvoices.com/al-mohler-a-spir...
Al Mohler is the President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lousiville, KY. When he became the President in 1993, the faculty and student body were largely liberal (to varying degrees). Here is a question and answer session between students and Dr. Mohler shortly after his election. It’s worthy of your time and attention. Dr. Mohler answers questions from students dealing with the Abstract of Principles, his lack of age and experience, vision for the seminary, women in ministry, personhood of women, homosexuality, etc.
I was a student here and I remember this. Dr. Mohler did well and held his ground.
I was a second year seminary student when this occurred. I was here for this. Praise God for the direction that Dr. Mohler has taken this institution.
jeffra85 do you know where some of these people are up to in their faith now? In particular those opposing Dr Mohler?
Oh, shocker. Look at the crisis in the SBC when you essentially subjugate women.
He was being POUNDED, the poor man! And he’s still the president of the college! Im a women & I agree w him on his positions of women as pastors.
The SCRIPTURES are in plain language on the CRITERION of Eldership in a congregation. These are mostly incompetent individuals, led by emotion, which they tout as a qualification for truth and give NOT ONE PASSAGE IN GOD'S BREATHED WORDS to support their feelings. SEMINARIES are a major reason for the false teachers becoming pastors in mostly ignorant congregations, which are seldom able to interview anyone wanting to become their PASTOR as the teaching in the average church is so shallow, also, see 2 TIMOTHY 4:3 . MANY men that are CALVINISTS like Al do not even convey to congregations that they are CALVINISTS, unless it is a church known for Calvinism. The congregations should be alarmed today, as they should've been in the 90s, that he is a CALVINIST. His beliefs teach that one is REGENERATED before even believing. Scripture instantiates the FACT that one RECEIVES THE HOLY SPIRIT after BELIEVING, see Ephesians 1:13-14; Galatians 3:2; Acts chapter 10 for a few examples. This is a single aspect of the clearly false teaching concerning SALVATION and Calvinists do not believe one that is unsaved can even HEAR the GOSPEL and respond to it without first being regenerated or born again when Romans 10:17 says faith comes by hearing the message about Christ Jesus. The above SCRIPTURES, to reiterate, prove that one must believe FIRST. He is not qualified to be an ELDER because of these and the rest of the CALVINISTIC teachings THEIR DEFINITION OF SOVEREIGN- GOD cannot be sovereign if mankind has the ability to choose to follow after His will or run contrary to it; Miticulous Determinism- GOD determines every thought, word, and action one will think, say, or do. SECRET WILL- God determining everything miticulously is responsible for every single sin committed and they created a SECRET WILL of God to take God out from the responsibility of sin; TULIP, their 5 points that are justified and NECESSARY for the first 3 mentioned; FALSE GRACE- to answer the problem of TOTAL DEPRAVITY, and PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS, because people can claim to be saved and be sinful and False Grace was created to explain people being able to pretend to be saved, being dead spiritually like a physically dead man and cannot even hear the gospel without already being regenerated as already stated. CALVINISTS state that rightly what scripture instantiates about salvation-" saved by grace through faith ", but how it is possible is plainly unbiblical.
This is why I so greatly admire Dr. Mohler. Nothing but the truth. He took a totally back slidden college and seminary and by the grace of God turned it back to the straight and narrow path.
Wow! I can't believe this is what they were wrestling through all the way back in 1993. Almost every question was "I FEEL this and you need to respect it." That is literally the modern-day argument for LGBTQ+.
PERSONAL FEELING HAS NO PLACE IN INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE..
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if he did not take a stand at this time, they would be lgbt affirming now.
Gia Bella I admire Pastor Al Mohler. A man of a God...
You're 100% Correct and it's looking like the SB is going down this rabbit hole right now.
That's called the slippery slope argument, and it is a speculation.
wow....and to think these students are baptists. cant believe how theologically liberal some of them are. amazing job by Dr. Mohler
Dr. Mohler is a man of God...He was so young when he became president. God is with him all the way.
To conflate a calling to a certain role with personhood is such a huge leap...
I think there is a logical flaw. Modern Education doesn’t teach logic
My word...the fire he was set in years ago. I am a current student and I’m amazed at the hell hole my Seminary was back in the day.
and now how is it?
It's one of the best seminaries in the world today!
I studied theology at a secular university...bad idea if you want a good education
I hope its a better place now
haha "I intend to age." wow great Reaganesque answer. I admire the clarity and diplomacy and directness of Dr. Mohler. this really set the tone and biblical standards for the future of the sbc
All these students need a lecture in humility. Dr Mohler did show patience, compassion and humility.
Wow. These are 2nd and 3rd year seminary students?? Dr. Mohler has done an amazing job with Southern considering how it was in 1993...
LoL -- Yes, presumptuous, even arrogant as has been stated in other comments. Not many broken souls here... If I remember though, '93 those were the go-go years!
If I were Dr. Mohler, I would've flunked every last one of them! I was an Independent FUNDImental Baptist back in 1993 and looks like back then, the Independent Baptists actually had a strong case for calling Southern Baptists a bunch of liberals! Thank God for men like Dr. Mohler who have taken courageous stands and labor in bringing the Southern Baptist denomination from the brink of apostacy!
What an incredible job Dr. Mohler has done at this institute. It seems there was not much contextual understanding of the Word during this time. Praise the Lord for this man!!
He was great for that time.
But he's not the same Al Mohler he was in 1993. I hate to say it, but he's WAY off the mark now.
Please be specific
Dr. Mohler's young face, his patience, candor .......WOW!!!!!!!!
Wow, a combination of ignorance and arrogance - dangerous! Admirable humility and resolve by Al. Praise God he stayed the course.
I'm a woman and had to stop watching at 43:40. Could these people not read? They were allowing their self love to interfere with what is written... who cares about what anyone human thinks???? IF IT IS WRITTEN, IT IS WRITTEN!!!!
Neia yes, I agree with you.
I would've been tempted to tell her "SIT DOWN JEZEBEL! YOU ARE IN REBELLION TO THE WORD OF GOD!!!" Not very nice (probably shouldn't call her "Jezebel") but I'm confident such a statement is in line with the truth of the scriptures!
That woman in red was a rebel, and had a chip on her shoulder.
This woman is a true follower of God's word
There is no law to be male to be ordained or preach. Women are quoted in the Bible and these Bible verses are read in church. The problem is money. Take the money away from the men, and they will not care who has the job.
Truly, a godly and courageous man! It is amazing to see that Doc. Mohler had the conviction and confidence from the very beginning, even when the students and the professors were non-supportive.
Wow. Dr. Mohler shines like a light sent by God, dispelling the darkness. I was shocked to listen to some of those objections, absolutely baseless in scripture, and refutable by simple exegesis of scripture by a Sunday school student. Sadly, liberal tactics and rhetoric hasn't advanced one bit, but God is still in control, and it shows here with Dr. Mohler leadership, transparency, and consistency with scripture.
Wow, the students were so liberal then! He’s done a great job bringing it back to conservative Christianity.
It certainly seems as if many of the students were elevating their 'experience' and 'feelings' above the authority of scripture. I wonder how many may look back at this video and cringe at themselves and the position they took. I know God has changed a LOT of my initial positions early on in my walk with Him, in His mercy; I'm sure some of these would have experienced that mercy, too. I pray so.
It is definitely making me cringe. I wonder where they are now. And/or if their minds changed and I wonder how it is perhaps Dr. Mohler went around changing things to how they are now...or maybe not now...well, I don't know enough about SBC or Southern but my university states to hold to SBC values and I feel like I've run into some issues with them in that in their classes there may be some intersectionality and gender theory taught; when I questioned them about it, they said they do not affirm it...but they teach it because it is the current "research" ...so...
God bless Dr. Albert Mohler. I am thankful for the Daily Briefing
Well, he definitely displayed the necessary patience for the job, that's for sure.
SAD!! listening to this I'd say 90% of these people are not even saved let alone called to preach. Thank you Dr Mohler for your Biblical stance even today this Heresy still hasn't died.
It's been some 24 years since this forum...It would be very interesting to know the current status of faith and ministry of the individuals who spoke here in opposition to Dr. Mohler and his views on Women in the pastorate.
Bill Douglas yes, I too is very much interested to these students, especially to the woman in the red shirt. Dr. Al Mohler was so calm and so patient with them. Time proved that Dr. Mohler was the right person for the position. God bless him.
im guessing there in Pentecostal churches today
I second that proposal! albuquerque
jonathan chamblee “they’re”
They've probably been absorbed by the "third wave", of charismaticism.
What an amazing display of grace and truth by Dr. Mohler. That was such a hostile environment.
Those voices from 25 years ago have once again awoke within the SBC
I was at SWBTS during a controversial change in administration. I didn’t like what was happening, but there is still respect for the office. I cannot imagine speaking to administration the way these students spoke. Many of them wanting to be pastors would not want this lack of respect in their respective positions.
They would want to earn respect. Mohler is respected by people whose theology is based on white supremacy and looking up young women's skirts. I used to think the looking up skirts was mainly figurative, manifested in purity culture and other efforts by geriatric perverts to control the sex lives of young women. But with the recent revelations about the SBC, I guess it's more literal than I had thought.
These people were disgustingly arrogant. I hope the Church will be protected from them.
The student body at the time of this video recording was obtuse to the point of incredulity. Furthermore, this is yet another example of liberality being self-focused and self-promoting--whether in politics or in the church.
If anyone ever had a clear calling that has been proven over time, it would be Dr. Al Mohler. Praise the Lord for strong and clear exegetical leadership.
As articulate as now. Thanks for this rare footage!
Considering the direction of the Seminary now and the fragmentation of the culture, the students who challenged Dr. Mohler look pretty silly now. They had the right of their own convictions as Dr. Mohler articulated well, but their misrepresentation of his view was inappropriate.
He was accused of denying the personhood of women and advocating that God (the Creator) didn't value women (His own creation). Did Dr. Mohler say anything like that? No. This is what happens when emotions trump exegesis and theology.
Amen!
His answers express more than just head knowledge but wisdom gained from obedience and experience too
"I'm concerned." That's just a manipulative tactic. It's all about stirring up emotions and mischaracterizing opponents.
That's why Dr. MacArthur doesn't have this kind of issue because his standing on this questions more clear and straight than SBC has.
I pray for the same for the Japan Baptist Convention. Prayers friends.
Wow Al Mohler was right back then and He is right now ,godly man ho stand for true.And I can’t believe how he was Treated.
I respect Dr. Mohler even more after watching this.. crazy to see how far off the rails liberal the SBTS was smh...
Grace and truth.
This has aged well. All the way back around to 2021.
This was more peaceful than I thought it was, listening to some people talk about it.
I never knew this video existed. Man the SBTS was a mess back then.
Wow. The arrogance and ill spirited tone of these students is scary, although not surprising. I remember some like this even at SWBTS during this time period. Humility comes with experience. At that point, not many had grown to that point of being gracious to others. Sad.
Seeing what God did in the SBC to turn them from this grevious error gives me hope that He will similarly work revival in the many churches that are faltering in America today.
...through prayer and fasting 🙏
God bless Albert Molher!
God bless you alberd
This was pretty heavy - AL did a good job considering being hamstrung biblically . I know I wouldn’t have wanted to be him up there on the podium getting hammered like that ....takes a talented communicator to get through these types of interactions
I would like to have known what went through Mohler's head as he tried to fall asleep after this Q & A. Probably something like... "what have I done?!"
27:30 - ah the appeal to emotion. Unfortunately for her, that's not biblical or true. But hey - in 2020, whatever you want to think works so she's probably tweeting about Beth Moore as we speak.
Mohler was appointed more than elected. He changed his stance for the Trustees who decided they were going to takeover the SBC and make him president. He prostituted his former beliefs for the position. He became more politician than theologian/teacher/leader.
Watch the following documentary-
Battle for the Minds
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Wow, this is an incredible piece of history. I had no idea that Southern Seminary students -- at least those in this gathering -- were so liberal in 1993. As I've heard, it is true that the SBC was on the same trajectory as the mainline Protestant bodies (PCUSA, TEC, UCC, UMC, etc.) and their seminaries. From hearing these students, you would think that "men in ordained church leadership" was something that the SBC invented! In fact, it's the norm, not only in church history but even today. The Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are firmly against women's ordination to priestly ministry, and that's roughly 1.5 billion Christians. Globally -- especially the global South -- the vast majority of Protestants are also against it.
Yes, as other commenters have mentioned, it is surprising that these were 1st, 2nd and even some 3rd year students expressing 'concern' about the 'validation' or the 'personhood' whatever that means of women. Even lay church members should be aware enough of the scriptural passages (if not already guidance from church confessional statements) that relegate specific offices in ministry to men and specific offices in ministry to women.
The look on Mohler’sface just before 43:00, I can imagine him asking the Lord for the right words to say.
8:43 hahaha worried about him being young! I wonder if he’d have asked Spurgeon that preaching to 6000 people every week as a pastor at 19? Age means nothing, old and young can both lack wisdom, they can also both have much wisdom as given by the Lord. Albert Mohler is a clear example of godly wisdom!
Jesus was apx 30 when His "ministry" started...what's the issue?
Yes, and John MacArthur was 29 when he started pastoring Grace Community Church. Some men are just blessed with wisdom from Christ well beyond their years.
Amen! When that question was asked I almost immediately though of David who was called and anointed by God as a youth, and defeated the giant in his youth as well. And there are plenty of other young people in Scripture that are called, anointed, and used by God, i.e. Samuel, Solomon, etc.
Retro Al!
Wow the pride the students showed it's mind blowing
Woman…thou art loosed❤️🔥🙏
Good Lord, Dr. Mohler demonstrated how to hold your ground
This is an interesting video. The viewpoints and the rationalities tied to those viewpoints have not changed since 1993. The addictiveness of the crowd's approval/applause hasn't changed. What has changed is that if this same scene occurred in 2024, there would have been far more disrespect shown. People would have booed, shouted, and stormed out of the room. We can't have dialogues like this in 2024...not because our views or differences have changed (they haven't), but because we don't respect each other enough to coexist. In our culture's pursuit of what we perceive to be tolerance, we have actually become less tolerant of one another.
Would be interesting to know where some of these students are today, particularly the self proclaimed "man of courage" near the end. Really sad the arrogance and ignorance present from the students. Their disagreements weren't even close to Biblical, just "we feel called" type of stuff with no Biblical support.
This is cool
The primary quality I would be looking for in a pastor is someone who regards the Bible as the FINAL AUTHORITY in all matters of faith and practice! The Word of God trumps my personal feelings and any opinion that is not properly aligned with it! The scriptures plainly teach that the Office of a Bishop in 1Tim 3 is for a MAN to meet these qualifications! It is impossible for a Bishop to be the "Husband of One Wife!" Any woman therefore seeking this office has demonstrated that they do not hold the Bible as the final rule and authority! They have placed humanistic thinking over the inspiration and authority of the Scriptures!
I was at Southeastern the next year and though it was more liberal than Southern, I saw nothing this obnoxious.
Yeah know…I didn’t hear from the students or the “female pastor” at the end, a passage supporting the position of female pastors….just a “feeling “
Lots of people in the comments calling these students arrogant... when it seems to me that they just have actual personalities, and are coming forth boldly. I don’t agree with their points of view at all, and am confused particularly why they’re so against the ordained created order of men and women, and also how they conflate gender issues with race issues - but we see that full-blown today don’t we, intersectionality muddling all characteristics of a person together, as if being disabled and being black for example are related in any meaningful way. However I respect these students for grilling their new leader, as they need to know where he stands on things. Calling them arrogant is unfair I think. It’s these kinds of people (who passionately disagree with us) who sharpen us and help us clarify what we truly believe.
I think the accusations of arrogance come from things like the young man that listed all his great qualities at the beginning of his speech, the young lady that asked if he'd be open to the Holy Spirit changing his heart when she didn't seem at all open to being changed herself, the tone when the last woman said she's a pastor.
I wonder if the one who asked for an appointment was open to the Holy Spirit correcting her as well.
He is not devaluing women. Just defining the roles men and women biblically.
I totally agree with this mans stance on women as pastors & elders in the church reading you bible it’s clear that is not a women’s role. But that’s because I was taught the reason why and I went to a church and believed that and saw that in operation. If you are to a church that affirms the opposite in the 3 ways that I mentioned you will take on board and you will wrestle with It. God has to come in when really fall in love with master you will do his will. Before we start claiming all sorts because it a topic when sometimes I read comments they are not that gracious. Are you live in totally obedience in you life and submission and I need to turn that question on myself. if you Are a man are you the shepherd of you home and are you loving you wife as you should are you making sure that if you have children that are faithfully growing them up in the word and ways of God that is the kind of man that steps into the pulpit. That is why I like this man he leads and steps up but he is not rude and he is gracious but he doesn’t spare the truth it is clear he has a path that he wants to take the seminary.
What kind of seminary was thiis before Dr.Mohler came ?
I think it was a complete mess it was like in the time of the judges in Israel.
Everyone followed whatever. The Nigerian lady was very disrespectul towards Dr. Mohler. Also the opiniated student. The last question was from a lgbt female pastor. A liberal
Mr. Mohler was filled with the Spirit . Never compromised
his sacred biblical position. God bless him a million time s
Good and faithful servant
It seems to me that many of the questioners were of the opinion that Dr. Mohler should change his understanding of scripture as if he had that option or in lieu of that be dishonest with his heart and tell them what they want to hear.
Were there any genuine Christians in the audience????????????
Savior's Grace church possibly, almost definitely in fact, but very misinformed and misled and misdisipled Christians.
The wisdom that Dr.Mohler showed in 1993 was an accurate indication of what was ahead for SBTS.
You know from the age of 12 I got up started studying the Bible studying people studying all the different churches and I'm still doing it 63 years later.
Maybe it's just me but I've seen a many things under the sun many things many flavors of distortion of religion from the way I read the Bible the way I read the disciples and the disciples that are not even the disciples yet of unknown nature but I do follow Jesus not so much as Paul cuz Paul didn't even write the damn scriptures but I don't know I guess it's just me. But ever since Al mohler has taken over the Southern Baptist he's run this place in the ground he got divisions between everybody nobody gets along The outcast that are outside of the church he judges him constantly which should be none of his damn business but he does he throws gaze out of the church and kicks people like that out and then he talks about him all the time 10 years. Covers up all the sexual abuse covers it up Go look and see yeah maybe it's just me but I don't think he's ran that place very well at all by their fruits you shall know them. 🙏👆😇
Al.Mohler ma man!
People change, this was Dr Mohler when conservatives held sway.
34:00 That guy seems so annoying. I wonder where he is now...
Those students are arrogant and disrespectful during this Q&A!
Al Moler
These people need to hear the sermon my pastor gave about roles of women in the church. The reason women are not to pastor has to do with the symbol of Jesus as the head of the church. Jesus was a man/God. God created Adam first then Eve. In Ephesians Paul says the man is to love his wife like Christ loves the church. Man and Woman is a picture of Jesus and the church ie the Bride. Therefore if a woman is a Pastor or rules over a man it messes up the symbol God put in His Word. My pastor graduated from southern under Dr Mahler about 5 years ago. Don’t know if I explained it well but after hearing the sermon I understood why.
That's just sad; your pastor sounds stupid.
Unbelievable arrogance and disrespect!
Who?
The students!
The arrogance of the students. I really wonder what happened to them.
Russell Ikin Yes and the way the lady in the red shirt talk and the things that she said about Jesus! Women cant be pastor, they can only help in the ministry. That was written! Otherwise they will be contradicting the bible.
No doubt those students who have not repented of their apostasy and returned to what the Bible teaches are part of the CBF, or have joined the ABC, or left Baptist life altogether.
Sooo much pride in these people. How sad and how pitiful. So arrogant. Woman NO ONE said you can't spread the gospel. Only you can not be a pastor over men. READ YOU BIBLE and PRAY for your deception to be taken away and humble yourselves.
I think this exchange demonstrates God's wisdom in delineating the office of elder to suitably qualified men alone.
The Holy Spirit? What’s that?😂☝🏿🔥
wow, Dr Mohler...my goodness. These whiney non-exegetes...how did you do bear this load? Stalwart.
42:50 - The logical fallacies in this woman are textbook. Man - ok i'm done.
Why are they so insistent on it
Why do so many women desire Albert Mohler's approval, if they have been TRULY called by God to be a preacher?
I thought that higher institutions of learning were chosen based on ones personal values and existing beliefs. Since when do youngsters go to college to force their beliefs on the faculty?
19:12 Joel Osteen?
LOL !
Man, all the nuts came to this forum. Too bad they couldn't see where things stand in 2023.
I guess we all have a choice of whether to attend a church that has a woman pastor.
Any man willing to sit under the teaching of a female is violating God's will.
These students were believers (I don't even ask if they were Baptists anymore)?? of course, many of them were, but many who spoke did so as cultural Marxists rather than as students of evangelical theology.
Considering that white evangelical sects mainly center their theology on white supremacy and looking up young women's skirts, isn't that a good thing?
Amazing when families are shattered women fight to be pastors God doesn’t call conflicting with his own word. The sisters are confusing stuff they have a lot of garbage in their basket. Take care your home first.
GOD HELP US!!!!
How do these students rectify the BIBLICAL!!! Qualification that a Bishop / Pastor be the HUSBAND! of one Wife?
Do they expect the endorsement of homosexuality ?GOD HELP US ...LORD COME QUICKLY.
wow did he skate around issues back then. glad hes not like that today. looking at these young people that were getting into ministry back then no wonder the church is in the shape its in.
and when they heard these things they were filled with wrath; thankfully they didn’t pull a Luke4 & run him out of town, take him up to the edge of the cliff and push him off...unbelievable
Fascinating how the supposedly current debate of women ministers in Christianity is at least already 27 years old. I was hoping to see theological interaction here, but alas.... such debates of reputable people seem far and few between.
Do these people not realize that they’re at a Southern Baptist Seminary??? Are they not aware of the Southern Baptist stance on women being S. Pastors of churches??? It seems to that they’re surprised by his stance on the issue.
The smugness at 40:26. How offensive
So… was ANYONE at SBC a Christian? I can’t believe these students - they’re so lost!
Sad situation.. Scripture is clear..sounds more like a secular institution with all the feminist and liberals you find in them. Who read into the text, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ. They showed no respect for him. God bless him.
Why can't women be happy to teach women? There's no need to be over men.
If the man who claims Mohler is not an Ambassador of God, then he has assumed Mohler is not saved, because every Christian is an ambassador of God. If that's the case, how could there be any hope of reconciliation as the student claims he desires? It's just a bunch of double talk foolishness from the left. At the same time, It irritates me that Mohler was not using as much candor and he praised the leftist students for having. I still think there's a place for straight talk and telling people the truth without squirming regardless of the position of leadership.