Hats off to you for being the for runner of this Busta Rhymes thing. I saw you addressing this 6 years ago and didn't think Caribbeans would believe that Hip-hop culture was west Indian culture.
If many African Americans were pushing that same narrative in video and in print why wouldn't many Caribbeans believe it as well? It's not Caribbean people fault that Herc was of Jamaican descent, Flash of Bajan descent, Bambaataa of Bajan/Jamaican descent, Dougie Fresh of Bajan descent. If many of their peers who happen to be African American regard them as either creators or pioneers it's easy to see how this could happen. To me Hip Hop is a Bronx art form exported to the world from the US so it would have to be regarded as African American in origin. This does not take away or mitigate it's predecessors such as Pigmeat Markham, James Brown, last Poets, disc jockeys from the US, toasters and calypsonians from the Caribbean, slave songs from the US and Caribbean, folk and gospel from the US and Caribbean. It's not by any coincidence that the best or most popular artist in the genre can trace their families to the Deep South or to the Caribbean(or both) from back then till this very day. Funny thing too is that many people taking so much pride in being African American or Caribbean if they trace they're roots will find their bloodline goes back to a descendant other than what they thought. Slaves in the US were sometimes punished or simply traded "barbadosed" to the Caribbean. A good percentage of Chicago and Louisiana who would classify as African American have Caribbean foreparents.
@@ericsnow2069 I get what you are trying to say but Hip-hop doesn't have any roots in Calypso and Ska and Rock Steady was inspired by FBA'S. Part of the reason there are so many Caribbean artists is because NYC is the Caribbean capital of America and they were Black Balling all the FBA artists around the COUNTRY.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 We are going to have to agree to disagree. I agree that Ska was directly influenced inspired by African Americans but it was still performed by Caribbean artists and exported out the Caribbean. I disagree with Rock Steady but am open to your rebuttal. While rhymes were being said on 1920 recordings and I'm pretty sure before in America, rhymes were also being said in Trinidad in the style called Kaiso; the forerunner of Calypso and Mento from same 1900's and before. I agree Hip Hop is an African American art form but I can't say that CDOS didn't help construct it. Would you consider Dougie Fresh an originator? Is Flash an originator? Also how did the Caribbean community Black Ball African American artist?
Caribbeans did contibute not create. You niggas was at them NYC record companies denying all non New Yorkers everybody had to make a way on their own. Did you forget that you were doing that? Did you forget that you booed Outkast at the awards? You forgot that Silk the Shocker is supposed to be wack and Sadat X is supposed to be a legend. Nore said he actually thought he was more Lit than Scarface. Beanie Siegel only got signed because Too Short wanted him first and they thought he was from NYC. You hated the SugarHill Gang when the only fake Rapper in the group was the one from NYC. Niggas said Krs-1's 9mm was ok but NWA was wack. Kanye West had to make his own album entirely then Shoot a video before Dame would listen to a song. So don't act like you wasn't black balling us. Shit Flex was saying Griesalda niggas couldn't rap all FBA'S. And so on and so on.
It’s really ludicrous to think someone’s place of origin is credited for something that wasn’t created there. Hip Hop culture itself was / is Foundation Black American. Nothing was Caribbean about hip hop early stages . Islanders sound desperate trying to make such a claim. Was it started in the islands or the Bx? Was caribbean music being played? Nope! ..but JamesBrown music was!
Brother.. I’ve been hoping for someone to talk about the enduring influence of gang culture on this thing we call Hip Hop. I’m glad I found this channel. Please keep it up!
Next time you interview Monk can you ask him about Soundview Projects and Monroe divisions of the Black Spades? Soundview was there in JHS 123 with them when the Spades started but I never hear about them or Monroe
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Nah the majority of Soundview went to 123. Monroe went to JHS 131. Bronx River mostly went to JHS 127. When I was in 123 there were no Bronx River to my knowledge. 123 was mostly Watson Ave area (Elder, Boynton, Wheeler, etc) Story Ave (Lafayette Boynton) Clason Point Gardens, and Soundview. Only first section Bronxdale was there and the rest went to 125
I wish someone would do serious chronological break down of the real history of East Coast Hip-Hop and the original gangs of New York like Kev Mack does for the West Coast while these brothers are still alive. Start from the very beginning.
I said this before about the spades. the Savage Spades were before the Black Spades, they were the actual youth gang. I wish Monk can tell the whole story from the begining.
All of them weren't stick up kids and purse snatchers. Some divisions were committing crimes but Bronxdale wasn't robbing anyone during the Spade years. Crime (and racism) is why they formed in the first place
@@bxdale83 Bruh Bruh dude's comment is a deflection tactic. It's like DJ Akademiks saying that the pioneers of Hip-hop are broke and dusty. Now that they accept that Caribbean Culture didn't start Hip-hop they started to diss it. Think nobody with half a brain would be expecting that a GANG is supposed to be a bunch of CHURCH BOYS. Plus any street person knows their's no 1 crime all gang members use or 1 way they all get their money. You don't have to defend that garbage when In Brooklyn the Decepticons a mostly Caribbean gang were all stick up kids and robbers.
@@amarlittle1361 Of course idiot they were Teenage boys. Alot of the ones who didn't get jobs were eventually running Bronx/Manhattan dominated houses on Rikers Island as adolescents and adults dummy. TETHERS will say anything.
Tariq Nasheed is doing a documentary on the history of hip hop because, like you he knows FBA created Hip Hop. I'm sure he will reference your material. Maybe you should get at cat
Why is Tariq doing a documentary on hop hop when Michael Wayne already did one? Who the f*ck is Tariq Nasheed to do anything on hip hop? Where is he going to get the information from? No one needs to acknowledge Tariq Nasheed. Michael Wayne and the elders of Bronxdale projects and the Black Spades are the gatekeepers. Instead of Tariq acknowledging Michael Wayne and spreading the word and directing traffic to Michael Wayne's page, he gonna do a documentary. That's an insult.
@@JUSLOFI any Black American who is well versed in the truth and history of hip hop is qualified... Doesn't matter if they not from New York... As long as they got their facts str8 they qualified...
@@deejay5102 I can't talk about Black Wall Street. I can't be an authority. I'm not from Oklahoma. I'm not from the source. Those that are from there of that lineage are the best qualified to speak on it. They're from there.
That dance 5hat they are trying to explain, was a dance everybody ( least the ones that could do it) was doing in thee Bronx. It's not because of gang banging The Bronx is called The Boogie Down.
How they started hip hop when all they talk about is some savage shit they did I don't see or hear nobody wit science following this fr fr yo respectfully black spades is not and was not hip hop at all kill dat noise they jolly stomping not breaking
Thank God that some of these guys are still around to tell the story.
For real and thank God folks like Michael Wayne are documenting their stories for the world to see.
Bless Up to The Pioneers!!🙌🏾🇺🇲
Hats off to you for being the for runner of this Busta Rhymes thing. I saw you addressing this 6 years ago and didn't think Caribbeans would believe that Hip-hop culture was west Indian culture.
If many African Americans were pushing that same narrative in video and in print why wouldn't many Caribbeans believe it as well? It's not Caribbean people fault that Herc was of Jamaican descent, Flash of Bajan descent, Bambaataa of Bajan/Jamaican descent, Dougie Fresh of Bajan descent. If many of their peers who happen to be African American regard them as either creators or pioneers it's easy to see how this could happen. To me Hip Hop is a Bronx art form exported to the world from the US so it would have to be regarded as African American in origin. This does not take away or mitigate it's predecessors such as Pigmeat Markham, James Brown, last Poets, disc jockeys from the US, toasters and calypsonians from the Caribbean, slave songs from the US and Caribbean, folk and gospel from the US and Caribbean. It's not by any coincidence that the best or most popular artist in the genre can trace their families to the Deep South or to the Caribbean(or both) from back then till this very day. Funny thing too is that many people taking so much pride in being African American or Caribbean if they trace they're roots will find their bloodline goes back to a descendant other than what they thought. Slaves in the US were sometimes punished or simply traded "barbadosed" to the Caribbean. A good percentage of Chicago and Louisiana who would classify as African American have Caribbean foreparents.
@@ericsnow2069 I get what you are trying to say but Hip-hop doesn't have any roots in Calypso and Ska and Rock Steady was inspired by FBA'S. Part of the reason there are so many Caribbean artists is because NYC is the Caribbean capital of America and they were Black Balling all the FBA artists around the COUNTRY.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 We are going to have to agree to disagree. I agree that Ska was directly influenced inspired by African Americans but it was still performed by Caribbean artists and exported out the Caribbean. I disagree with Rock Steady but am open to your rebuttal. While rhymes were being said on 1920 recordings and I'm pretty sure before in America, rhymes were also being said in Trinidad in the style called Kaiso; the forerunner of Calypso and Mento from same 1900's and before. I agree Hip Hop is an African American art form but I can't say that CDOS didn't help construct it. Would you consider Dougie Fresh an originator? Is Flash an originator? Also how did the Caribbean community Black Ball African American artist?
Caribbeans did contibute not create. You niggas was at them NYC record companies denying all non New Yorkers everybody had to make a way on their own. Did you forget that you were doing that? Did you forget that you booed Outkast at the awards? You forgot that Silk the Shocker is supposed to be wack and Sadat X is supposed to be a legend. Nore said he actually thought he was more Lit than Scarface. Beanie Siegel only got signed because Too Short wanted him first and they thought he was from NYC. You hated the SugarHill Gang when the only fake Rapper in the group was the one from NYC. Niggas said Krs-1's 9mm was ok but NWA was wack. Kanye West had to make his own album entirely then Shoot a video before Dame would listen to a song. So don't act like you wasn't black balling us. Shit Flex was saying Griesalda niggas couldn't rap all FBA'S. And so on and so on.
It’s really ludicrous to think someone’s place of origin is credited for something that wasn’t created there. Hip Hop culture itself was / is Foundation Black American. Nothing was Caribbean about hip hop early stages . Islanders sound desperate trying to make such a claim. Was it started in the islands or the Bx?
Was caribbean music being played? Nope! ..but JamesBrown music was!
We need a serious documentary with all of these dudes testimonies in once place. For the record.
Salute! Keep documenting this history so the future generations have FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE about who, did what, where, when and why. PEACE FAMILY!
I don’t think I’d be proud to be a black spade they all look like they had a hard life and still struggling.
Thank you for another JEWEL Mike Wayne. Blessings !
Brother.. I’ve been hoping for someone to talk about the enduring influence of gang culture on this thing we call Hip Hop. I’m glad I found this channel. Please keep it up!
I could watch these all day keep ‘em coming fam
Big ups to what you are archiving. I saw Munk from a distance at what used to be the path mark in the bx !!
#cosign🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿
Another great video brotha. 💪🏾 Keep doing what you're doing... continue spreading the real on Hip Hop and it's origins
I hear that Grand Puba at the end of the video ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿🎵🎼🎶
We called that move the Drop Science
Next time you interview Monk can you ask him about Soundview Projects and Monroe divisions of the Black Spades? Soundview was there in JHS 123 with them when the Spades started but I never hear about them or Monroe
bxdale83... ok .. but are you sure about that? cuz Soundview has jhs on their side... I heard bx river dudes was in jhs 123.. but ok I will ask
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 Nah the majority of Soundview went to 123. Monroe went to JHS 131. Bronx River mostly went to JHS 127. When I was in 123 there were no Bronx River to my knowledge. 123 was mostly Watson Ave area (Elder, Boynton, Wheeler, etc) Story Ave (Lafayette Boynton) Clason Point Gardens, and Soundview. Only first section Bronxdale was there and the rest went to 125
Soundview Projects was no joke. Alot of the kids from Soundview and Castle Hill went to I.S 174.
I wish someone would do serious chronological break down of the real history of East Coast Hip-Hop and the original gangs of New York like Kev Mack does for the West Coast while these brothers are still alive. Start from the very beginning.
I said this before about the spades. the Savage Spades were before the Black Spades, they were the actual youth gang. I wish Monk can tell the whole story from the begining.
We gonna mess your Afro up 😂😂
Full blooded FBAs I'm NYC are old
Carribeans tethers out number them
I be surprised if there's in FBAs left
They are half Carribean by now
The that’s what it seem like big bruh
There's a video on Instagram of Monk doing his crazy dancing in Queens
Still doing the good work bro keep it up! Gotta squash this Latin myth that they somehow had a big influence on our culture.
Lmmfao he said it was a dance called the f@get and the interviewer said the f@gget?? I fell out
That look like a Pindrop or Colt 45 old hoofer or Campbellockers move!!!!
Spades were stick up kids too but nobody talking about how they would snatch your mom’s purse
Couldn't none of them gangs from The Bronx back then could own it on Riker Islands. Never did anything to Fort Apache.
All of them weren't stick up kids and purse snatchers. Some divisions were committing crimes but Bronxdale wasn't robbing anyone during the Spade years. Crime (and racism) is why they formed in the first place
@@bxdale83 Bruh Bruh dude's comment is a deflection tactic. It's like DJ Akademiks saying that the pioneers of Hip-hop are broke and dusty. Now that they accept that Caribbean Culture didn't start Hip-hop they started to diss it. Think nobody with half a brain would be expecting that a GANG is supposed to be a bunch of CHURCH BOYS. Plus any street person knows their's no 1 crime all gang members use or 1 way they all get their money. You don't have to defend that garbage when In Brooklyn the Decepticons a mostly Caribbean gang were all stick up kids and robbers.
@@amarlittle1361 Of course idiot they were Teenage boys. Alot of the ones who didn't get jobs were eventually running Bronx/Manhattan dominated houses on Rikers Island as adolescents and adults dummy. TETHERS will say anything.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 facts
See if you can get them to post pics of the dress from back then.
THE GANG CULTURE LOOKED LIKE WHAT Y'ALL CALL HIP-HOP #wow
Tariq Nasheed is doing a documentary on the history of hip hop because, like you he knows FBA created Hip Hop. I'm sure he will reference your material. Maybe you should get at cat
Why is Tariq doing a documentary on hop hop when Michael Wayne already did one? Who the f*ck is Tariq Nasheed to do anything on hip hop? Where is he going to get the information from? No one needs to acknowledge Tariq Nasheed. Michael Wayne and the elders of Bronxdale projects and the Black Spades are the gatekeepers. Instead of Tariq acknowledging Michael Wayne and spreading the word and directing traffic to Michael Wayne's page, he gonna do a documentary. That's an insult.
Tariq isn't qualified to talk on it. He's from Detroit.
@@JUSLOFI any Black American who is well versed in the truth and history of hip hop is qualified... Doesn't matter if they not from New York... As long as they got their facts str8 they qualified...
@@deejay5102 I can't talk about Black Wall Street. I can't be an authority. I'm not from Oklahoma. I'm not from the source. Those that are from there of that lineage are the best qualified to speak on it. They're from there.
@@deejay5102 Where is Tariq going to get his fact from about what happened in the Bronx? Who is he going to speak to?
That dance 5hat they are trying to explain, was a dance everybody ( least the ones that could do it) was doing in thee Bronx. It's not because of gang banging The Bronx is called The Boogie Down.
How they started hip hop when all they talk about is some savage shit they did I don't see or hear nobody wit science following this fr fr yo respectfully black spades is not and was not hip hop at all kill dat noise they jolly stomping not breaking
You had to be tough and know how to fight growing up in New York City back in the 70’s or you would get your ass beat.
This should be titled old heads reminisce
The Twist? Hahaha! The Twist was a 1950s dance
You gotta keep going all you debunked is coming out more than ever now
Glad I moved out the Bronx in 70 cause the gang thing was corny. Seeing these people used to scare me as a young kid.
Stop the stealing from the Tethers and foreigners, they are trying to say PRs/Latios, and Jamaicans created Rap/Hip-Hop!