Steering Damper | A complete in-depth look | Types | Tank Slapper | Death Wobble | Q&A format
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- A very detailed look at various steering dampers, expert advice from racers and talking about tank slappers and how to counter a tank slapper, I request you to watch the full video as the whole video has been divided into following Q and A style format to keep things interesting:
0:00 Intro
01:46 Why am I making this video?
02:34 What is Steering Damper?
03:02 What causes a Tank Slapper?
03:47 Two Top Tips!
05:22 How does a steering damper work?
05:40 What are the types of steering dampers?
08:08 Do you 'WANT' a steering damper?
08:53 Do you 'NEED' a steering damper?
09:34 Why re-valve the damper? How it benefits you?
11:24 How did the damper helped me?
12:28 Conclusion
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Below are the various parts of the video for your ease, the times are on the timeline:
@ Intro
@ Why am I making this video?
@ What is Steering Damper?
@ What causes a Tank Slapper?
@ Two Top Tips!
@ How does a steering damper work?
@ What are the types of steering dampers?
@ Do you 'WANT' a steering damper?
@ Do you 'NEED' a steering damper?
@ Why re-valve the damper? How it benefits you?
@ How did the damper helped me?
@ Conclusion
It's spooky that you posted this video. I was literally deciding on whether or not to get a steering damper for my R6 after I had a tank slapper happen to me last weekend at the track. I woke up this morning, seen you had posted this video, watched it, ordered an Ohlins damper an hour later haha.
Great video as always. Thank you👍
Wow that’s astonishing
Unbelievable
That was good timing wasn’t it
Good choice on the damper mate
After market ones are a bit better than OEM supplied with the bike
And on a 600 bike it’s a must due to a lighter weight and ever increasing power
Thanks for watching and supporting mate
Best thing you could've done on a r6. My one was almost un-rideable without it on track.
Great video Abhi. Thanks for the call regarding this and happy to give you my input. Very thorough and well explained video!
Thanks very much Levi , your pointers were spot on, it’s a topic which doesn’t get mentioned much but can caught out a few people ... thanks again .. can’t wait to see you racing next year
That tank slapper at the start 🤣
Reminded me of one of those arguments where you've just got to sit there and let them get it all off their chest - "okay, have you finished now?" 🤣
The WORST thing you can do is try to fight it!!
Hahaha mate . That’s absolutely spot on , I couldn’t have summed it better myself. I just can’t believe that tank slapped it actually looks a sped up footage but it’s not lol ... good one mate , thanks for watching
@@ChasingTenths 🤣 I love how he appears to just let go of the bars and say, "whatever, you do your thing" 🤣 I'm sure he shit himself though!
@@marksmith7737 the way 🏍 are designed to help you correct the bike providing you give the correct input to the controls
Just bought one for my 02 954 RR and it changed everything for me, acceleration, control and overall comfort. Then I go to you tube and find this video which was very helpful to me and learned even more about it. Thanks for video bud. I really appreciate it.
Brilliant Mr Garcia ... really happy that my video was useful ... thank you so much
That’s made my day
Happy Easter
Enjoy the damper
It’s a silent best upgrade
This is one of the most informative presentations I've seen in a while and I thank you! First, I don't do track days, race or off road. Filtering down further, I have 2 bikes, 2006 BMW K1200r and 2006 Yamaha Fz1 (USA). Instantly you can see the dynamics are changed in the design of each machine. The BWM steers horribly in slow tight spots (think parking lots) but is limitless in high speed (160 mph) stability. Low center of gravity and longer wheel base simply helps. But the steering is horrible at low speed. The Fz1 is a masterful machine at 2/3 the weight of the BMW and feather light. At 130 mph the front want to take in a side show, so to speak, and drift a bit. With that said, the Yamaha is the better bike in many ways because it is so easy to ride all day. The Yamaha has no damper! The BMW has the stock damper and it's heavy.
I'm going to install a damper on the Fz1 because of the limiting factors of the BMW and my age. Initially it makes no sense to do it but I get fatigued and the damper helps on the BMW when it's a long ride. The Yamaha needs a bit more attention even though it's in great condition. No one know their bike better than a useful owner. I'm likely to keep one of the two motorcycles after this year and it seems the Yamaha will win out. Damper or not.
Please consider making more content and thank you.
Wow, thank you for the kind words Luis and sorry for the late reply. The points on that BMW are spot on by you and it's got a stiffer damper for stability which I am sure you know. You definitely need one on the Yamaha and get a good one too , they can be expensive but they are worth their weight in gold , I ride a number of bikes from different era and I can feel the difference straightaway , the ones with damper and not. I will definitely start doing more tech content, I had a bit of a break from TH-cam but I am back on it now. thanks for the lovely constructive , well written comment
Awesome production and content as usual Abhi. Thank you for all your videos and keep up the good work buddy.
Thanks Mike , lovely words there , as always thanks for watching and supporting :)
Really informative. I’ve got aftermarket ohlin dampers on mx XS 650. I’ll take a bit more notice of them now. Keep up the great vids. 👍
Thanks Ian much appreciate it mate , yes even I notice the damper more since last year when it actually came in handy
Another tip to prevent wobbles and stop them: Grip your tank with your knees and press your heels against the bike to increase the mass that needs to wobble. Often a to relaxed riding position is part of the reason for a such an event in the first place. On public roads at least.
That’s very interesting, thanks for that tip .. wonderful
Another great vid from my mate Abhi always loads of important details to keep you safe on the track 👌🏻
Thanks for these golden words Jason , really appreciate the support
Very informative very well explained, great video as always mate 👏👏
Thanks Bik , appreciate it a lot mate you commenting and supporting
Electronic dampers aren’t “AI” or any other fancy stuff.
They just increase damping based on speed. So when doing slow speed maneuvers it can be soft and when going 180, it can be stiff.
Since slow speed isn’t relevant for racing, it isn’t used.
Has nothing to do with it not being “ready”.
I totally agree with you and excellent explanation… i purely meant it for racing not street
, I have ridden the new fireblade and RSV4 factory with electronic damper on street and track , the term
AI was just used as a metaphor as I am well aware it’s not totally AI
Excellent information once again. Keep going.
Thank you very much 🤗🤗
Very informative video , complete guide on dampers 👍
Thank you very much for watching , really appreciate it very much
Great video as always, really useful info. 👍🏽
Cheers San, looking forward to a ride in 2021 with you mate .. thanks for the support
Awesome explanation! Thank you 👊
Thank you very much
great video!!! really in depth and HD
Thank you very much Nick
Much appreciated
Thanks for taking time out to comment
Thanks for the information mate, keep up the good work
Thank you very much for the support
i am so dead curious, why the f88k would you hit 'dislike' - unless you are totally UNaware of those tenths of hours needed to do this 14 min video which, for many, would be very useful.
Hahaha mate, I am pinning your comment lol... I know , I think I had 7 dislikes in 3 mins of posting this video but it is what it is , it takes a long time to do these videos excluding research but certain people don’t understand the effort
Thanks for the support and comment as always man .. can’t wait to see your progress in 2021
Haters gonna hate.
Cockwombles mate
@@jeffweeks180 lol love that word
Cockwombles lmao lol
This is the sweet part of life that when your life in a great stage or you grow up with some good things in your life, some people dislike you. I enjoy these kind of things . It gives more confidence that people are jealous of my life and lifestyle. As I experienced myself .😊
@@osmanali3941 thanks mate, beautiful kind words there 🤗🤗
Great Video Man!!! Thankful for this information.
No problem. Thank you to you for your patience and watching the video properly
Much appreciated
And thanks for taking time out to comment
Thanks for this Ahbi, very informative and great to know these things so you can adjust yourself for your own style. It’s amazing you know Levi Day, he lived just down the road from me here in Adelaide. Very good rider and very knowledgeable.
Wow really !!! Yes mate Billy McConnell and Levi Day both are good mentors and Billy trained me in Spain Almeria circuit 2 years ago , both are gems. Levi also did the livery on my bike , he’s a bloody good racer too , keeps fit, family man , hard working .. it’s wonderful to know he was down the road from you ... just wow ... thanks for watching and supporting mate
@@ChasingTenths definitely will Ahbi, your vlog is excellent and great for us novices to get good tips on everything from the bike to track days. Yeah Levi had a coaching school at Mac Park down at Mt Gambier which is down south of the state from Adelaide, it’s amazing he’s doing great work in the UK now, another guy I watch “Mostly Motorbikes” had his bike livery done by Sublime Designs as well, both your bikes look absolutely magic. Keep up the great work Ahbi! 👍🙏
@@michaelharrison72 yes mate , Mostly motorbikes is a grast friend of mine. I love his work.
What a small work aye Michael
Absolutely wonderful to hear from you
I am over the moon that this information is handy for you
It made my day
I’ll convey your hello to Levi as a fellow Aussie lol
He’s in this comment section
Great video, very informative!!
Thanks Dal, really appreciate it mate
Only found u a few months ago but really enjoy your content and find it really useful 👌
Thanks Dan, much appreciate it mate, I try to be thorough, I don’t post too many videos but the ones I make , I make sure they add some value and in the process I learn something too lol ... thanks for watching and supporting mate
Awesome video mate. I know how much work goes into these really detailed ones as I often sit down to think of something and then get distracted so post some low effort nonsense 😂😂 good work mate.
Hahahaha mate , it is hard work making these , first research then put it all on paper then I type it up lol then remember it ... love your stuff too mate , it’s never scripted
@@ChasingTenths haha cheers pal. It sure ain’t. I just wang a camera on and cross my fingers
Great video sir, thank you!
Thanks to you for appreciating it very much
Great video as always buddy, like the way you pick subjects that normally get ignored as people are too scared to ask as are worried about looking stupid
That’s a very valid point mate
Really appreciate the support and thanks for watching as always
Great video as always Ahbi 👍
Thanks John , nice of you to watch and comment mate, I appreciate that very much .
Great video Thank you
Thank you for watching Edgar 🙏🏼
Love your videos. 👍
Thank you very much mate
Great video bud... as always. Good info in there.
Thanks mate as always
Really appreciate it
World class as always 😎
Haha... love that , thanks mate ... look forward to seeing you in 2021 on track :)
Killin’ it mate!
Lol thanks man , appreciate you commenting
Awesome video Abhi👍 very well explained 👍👍
Thank you ever so much and the constant support
Tidy video.. keep em coming 👍🏻
Thanks mate , appreciate the support as always .. I need to up the game a little, make a few more
Excellent
Thank you 😊
Excellent Vlog as usual Abhi 👍
Thank you Colin, appreciate you commenting here. It helps me and means a lot too
As a pre-APRC RSV4 owner, I'm happy you made this video. The factory damper is...well it's on the bike at least?
I had a GPR V2 on my RC51 SP2 and learned on the track on that bike, when I went to the Ape it was a fantastic change, so nimble, narrow, and responsive...but WOW, the Factory setup on my RSV4 would wobble in very "minor" scenarios. Even things like 2nd gear corner at 40mph, Maybe 30° of lean and on corner exit, just enough to lighten the front and I'd have wobble.
I started chasing rebound and compression settings because it was so pronounced. Turns out I had a blown steering damper.
The value of having a good one is so important.
Great video and breakdown, very well thought out.
wow Brian, first of all sorry for the late reply , some comments slip through the net. Great comment, I am so glad you actually noticed the difference with or without damper or with different settings or a damper which wasn't up to scratch. I love comments like this , cause from your experience and from what you felt and observed , I can learn a thing or two too. Thanks for the constructive reply , makes a lot of sense and I appreciate you appreciating the work gone behind this video. cheers
Thanks liked that a lot. New sub 👍
Cheers David, much appreciated 👍🏽
Good stuff 👍🏼
Thanks Tom for watching and appreciate the comment too
In the opening clip of the cbr1krr, it has HESD, which is Honda's electronic steering damper. That was a pretty crazy example of a tank slapper.
wow, I didn't know he had HESD, didn't notice it , thanks for pointing that out .. good observation
As always Abhi great video. Ignore the dislikes, perhaps motorbikes scare them. 🤷🏻♂️who knows, bless them. Keep them coming mate.
Hahaha true mate , really appreciate your support as always
Thank you ever so much
Great information. Have one on the cbr100pr stock but looking for one for my 06 Kawasaki 250r project. Subbed.
Fantastic , thank you for the support. Glad you enjoyed the video , hope you find the right one for your bike mate
Been a while since one of your videos popped up. Looking forward to more great content. How is the Ape doing after your tumble?
Hey mate , good to hear from you , yeah I didn’t load a video for a while , really need to up my game , ape’s doing really well . Changed my riding style too, less silly and aggressive, and the ape just works beautifully on track . Luckily the damage was hardly any so I got pretty lucky , still it was a mammoth task to bring it up to looking spotless ... thanks for watching and following mate
@@ChasingTenths Glad to hear that your doing well. Take care, looking forward to more videos
Keep it up Abhi 👍
Cheers Sid, appreciate it mate very much
Great video. Tank slappers are no bueno and steering dampers are great. I would have a hard time gassing through one but it makes sense. Like a lot of things, counterintuitive.
Brilliant comment mate, makes sense that . Thanks for you’d support and watching the video
Fantastic video.. very informative and interesting. Highly appreciate #ChasingTenths for making these kind of videos..
Thank you Osman, people like you give me strength
Really appreciate the support as always
Always wish you the Best mate...
One thing to add to the list of problems that can be masked by a steering damper is poor rider technique.
Another good vid 😁👍
Hahaha. Mark, very well said there, honestly when I was going through my research or clips of tank slappers, I couldn’t believe how some of the riders just took the absolute piss with the bike and sometimes the bike fights back , no damper stiffness can save utter stupidity lol ... thanks for watching mate and the support
The electronic one on my Zx10R is shocking, need to get a manual one 👌🏽 awesome informative video again Abhi
Thanks Ben, really appreciate that mate, yes, I was told by 3 people during my research that the Kawasaki one has a bit of a delay or sometimes unpredictable
But I just never mention any brands in my video ever or disrepute them .. but good to hear mate
I do think Kawasaki position their damper really well , perfect position that on the top. Thanks for watching mate and supporting
It’s been better since I got the suspension set up correctly but it’s still no where near as good as it should, doing abit of research someone makes a manual aftermarket kit to fit to the electronic one which makes it a lot more useable so I’m going to invest in that ready for next years track days 👌🏽 hope to see you on one next year bud
@@benjaminlawrence2864 aaahhhh that’s very interesting, I didn’t know about that kit .. but I definitely it’s worth investing in it because if the steering is iffy at times or has it’s own brain then you cannot be confident or at yours best on any decent turn carrying decent speed
@@benjaminlawrence2864 be aware that aftermarket kit is not endorsed by Ohlins and has no R&D done by any suspension professional. All the Kawasaki dampers are made like that on purpose, you can get an electronic upgrade which resolves the issue and does the same as what conversion of the manual damper does. The uprated SCU is available from Ohlins.
@@benjaminlawrence2864 can you explain how it was shocking for you? I found that mine would not react in time when driving out of the corners with front end slightly in the air. Raised the tail 10mm and dropped the front 5mm. Also dialed out some squat on the rear and I no longer have any issues. I've also had extensive suspension setup changes including different valving and weight of oil in front suspension. Would just like to hear what happened and what you did to resolve it.
@9:56 what computer program is this?
Only some tank slappers are controllable through more throttle at the onset of the wobble. If it’s going nuts I’ll let go with my left hand first and not chop the throttle but after it increases I’ll let go completely. Unfortunately I have loads of experience with this. I love dampers. They reduce the risk considerably.
The last one I had was top speed testing to 160 mph with no problems whatsoever and on the ride home at 80 mph it experienced violent head shake for no apparent reason and I attributed it to road conditions as I couldn’t get it to do it again at similar speeds and inputs.
It’s not if but when and you have to be ok with the pucker factor.
Thank you Joe for your input , really well constructed comment and some very useful pointers for others and a great comment
Death wobble is a terrible term to use because it will increase rider panic. I agree with you
Thank you :) , much appreciated
Hi, I have a CBR1000F exactly like your 89/90 spec and wanted to know if you are intending to put a steering damper on your bike and if so which one? I have not had any problems with stability (using Michelin Power 5) but I am afraid of a speed wobble as I ride two up a lot on that bike. Any advice is much appreciated, thanks
Hey there , thanks for the lovely msg, to be honest I think I won’t need a steering damper on there
I don’t think you will need it too
And I doubt a company makes one for it
You might have to weld the mounts on it
The bike is super stable
I don’t think it will have the wobble
I have really put that bike through it’s paces here in U.K. country roads but had no wobbles or nasty surprises but it’s definitely an interesting thought
@@ChasingTenths Hey thank you for your reply, sorry just saw that very helpful, great channel, great content, thank you
@@herocar4133 no worries mate, I am glad it was helpful and thanks for your support and following
Cool video but didn't really touch on the differences between dampers. I'm looking at a Scott's damper for the 2 way, high/ low speed settings. I don't want to add any weight to my steering during everyday riding, but I would love to have some insurance against slappers. Idk, maybe an overly simplistic understanding, but I don't see any competitors offering the same thing.
Good point, I really wanted to do a deep dive into the differences in dampers, that would have just made the video too long and people these days have low attention span , but definitely do another video on it.. personally I have only used the ohlins one on my race bike and 4 other bikes from different eras and it has been faultless and given me great peace of mind. But thanks for the tip on deep dive into the dampers , I think I will do a video on it.
The best explanation that I ever got.
Thank you very very much :)
Great video! I have FX CNC Racing Steering Damper (which is the linier), the problem is I broke the 'click' switch, how I can fix it? I search on youtube and many references and still don't get any answer. Please help me, thank you
Thank you mate, that’s an easy fix, a lot of suspension service places can fix that , are you in U.K. ?
@@ChasingTenths Unfortunately I'm in Indonesia :( I already took my steering damper to the mechanic, but he suggest to drill it, maybe any other way to fix without drilling?
@@miskandarzulkarnain2074 no don’t drill it
Don’t mess with it
If a steering damper fails
It’s suicidal
Handbars can get stuck
You’ll have to buy a new one then mate or send it to someone who can repair
@@ChasingTenths Gosh you're right, thanks for the suggestion Man, I appreciate it
i have a vfr 400 nc24 and believe me you must let the gas pedal and press lightly the rear brake
Interesting, I always found that gas on is the way forward but then my bike is around 178 bhp on the rear wheel and power up definitely cures it
And I have spoken to accomplished racers in uk , they say the same
Great post hard or soft for Cadwell I normally run on one below hardest setting
That’s a perfect setting mate but you just have to work a little harder on those left right left right turns after the mountain plus the fast left hander after the main straight but at cadwell it’s worth going a little hard mate cause of so many changes of undulating tarmac plus that mountain lol ... thanks for watching
I had exactly the same setting as you got at cadwell
One below hard
Thanks for that I'm riding a Mv Agusta f3 800 seems like the perfect bike for Cadwell
@@carolemould1428 oooo wow
That’s my favourite bike
I absolutely love that triple engine
I think it’s one of the Best engines ever
the fireblade damper is actually on the front of the forks, below the ram air funnel. not underneath the tank
Thank you, I meant the same thing but I totally worded it wrong
Apologies
i think this is what i am looking ? i have a can am 2022 ryker rally ( reverse trike) at hyway speed the steering is very sensitive. what are your thoughs ?
Absolutely Walter , this will work perfectly and bring some stability into the picture for you. get a good one , its a one time spend. so sorry for the late reply , come comments slip through the net. feel free to ask me any questions
@@ChasingTenths THANKS FOR THE REPLY AN ADVICE
@@waltercarey1392 no problem Walter , anytime
Dampers are great, however I’ve heard of tales and legends of a great fallback of that some dampers specifically cheap ones get stuck and u end up crashing badly…… don’t buy cheap dampers , and make sure u test it before a ride
Yes totally totally agree
Cheap dampers get you in a lot of trouble
It’s not worth the risk
I am still not at the level where I feel the need of dampers :). great video though.
I understand mate what you mean , trust me you will feel it , try turning the settings totally soft to totally hard ... thanks for watching thought mate
0:02 idk why i laugh at this😂
It’s crazy that steering movement mate
It’s unreal
3 seconds from a steering damper adjustment? That's more psychological than setting
Absolutely spot on that , our head does great things when it knows things are safe, secure and benefiting
Nope. It’s a Speed wobble.
Everyone calls it differently mate