Like A Dragon Gaiden: Why Would They Do This, Are They Stupid?
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SEGA telling fans that this is perfect entry point is so fucking bad.
I mean they can't say "nah you need to play 8 games before lol"
Ah yes, the spinoff of the 7th game in the series is the best entry point.
Even Yakuza: Dead Souls is a better introduction than this game
Yakuza 7 is fine for newcomers but even then…
@@SaberRexZealot i started with 7 and then went back to 0 and played the entire series and i personally enjoied a lot, the only thing was getting spoiled about kiryu being the tojo clan 4th chairman
9:12 Did you know?
The Obatarian has been in more games than Nishki.
I hope this ruined your day like it did mine when I first realized it.
She is literally immortal! How is she still around!? She even keeps the same look! Doctors must hate her!
Nishiki lives on in Ichiban
This comment has made my day lmao
>I hope this ruined your day like it did mine when I first realized it.
Actually Mine got his day ruined by being the Revolve bartender cushion.
@@AlexZenigata Mine couldn't actually "Fly" it seems...
"17th episode" if I'm not fucking up my math, implies you have pre-destined slots for the Kurohyo games, and that's kinda based
Now that the English patches are out they will be covered. If kenzan gets a patch I will go back and do it too
@@Cvityakuza 3....
@@CvitAyy, that's sick. Kurohyou 1 and 2 desperately need coverage. I hope against hope that enough of it will reach RGG and put remakes on the table since Ishin got one.
@@user-bl6oj1hl8inot by that hack
@@user-bl6oj1hl8i Unless Cvit hates them for stupid nitpick reasons
Why is Kiryu a super spy agent? Is he government?
He's a dumb dumb
Personally, I thought the incompetence of the Daidoji was on purpose. The agents talk down on the Yakuza so much when they're not very different
Regarding Shishido's not killing Nishitani, it seemed pretty obvious to me that he was pyschologicly dependent on him, which happens a lot in abuse cases where the victim will still stay by their side and even deny abuse. (Could've been explored more, but I thought there were enough context clues.)
The only reason the Daidoji put pressure on the orphanage is because of Kiryu breaking out to go save Hanawa. Even then it’s shown that while they’ve been given multiple chances to make due on their promise and kill his family, they give him a second chance. He decides to trust the faction because if they didn’t already assassinate everyone he loves, then he can be sure they will the next time he tries to pull something like that.
Which leads to him spending the entirety of IW disagreeing with Date about how he should reconnect with his loved ones (albeit, he still follows). They are barely present in IW which is a big writing problem, but he remembers what will happen to everyone if he falls out of line again.
The Daidoji are basically a bunch of thugs larping as secret agents.
He needed nishitanis money and crew to fight vs Watase and Daigo forces
I found the Daidoji stupid and literally just yakuza thugs like Cvit. I also agree with you a bit on the stockholm, but mostly that its just easier for Nishitani to lead the revolt, and Shishido will off him and take control after.
@@JayceCH. daidoji had incompetent members like any organization and also they were kind of shackled in their movement because they are supposed to be a shadowy org so they can’t just move in public. Shishido needed nishitanis money and crew
To be fair to the Kaito substories, you have to remember, within the timeline, Gaiden takes place between Judgment and Lost Judgment. Kaito hasn't gone through the character arc he went through during the Kaito files yet.
Yeah, but he never was an impulsive dumbass in the first place, unlike in Gaiden. The writer just needed Kiryu to be there to save the day because he's Kiryu, and it just made both Kaito and Higashi look stupid and incompetent.
@@Edward3Nigma Well Higashi we don't know for sure as he was only on screen for all of like what...3 minutes? But I do agree, the did my gorilla boy so dirty.
@@apurpledragon the real crime is that in that substory, Higashi has his unique moveset
but then in the coliseum he has a shitty knife moveset
They dumbed him down for sure, but there’s at least *some* precedent for his behavior if you think about the small side plot about his old best friend coming back to town leading to him and yagami fighting. He’s gullible, but he was definitely aggressively dumb in LAD:G
He also opens in the first Judgment by beating the shit out of that Horseplayer guy. Kaito was definitely still impulsive and aggro in 2019
Okay but counter point: Akane's really hot
Meh...she's mid.
AND she has the best Like a Butterfly version too
JORYU
The actress who plays is pretty attractive.
She also has a great personality
Kiryu is not in kamurocho at the start the game says he’s in roppongi you could argue having him in Tokyo is stupid at all but that’s not really that close to kabukicho/kamurocho
The fact that it is the only mainline game without kamurocho is kinda funny.
I actually think I noticed it wasn't Kamurocho the first time I saw the opening bit, but then when I actually tried to play through I was SURE he was just across the street from the iconic gate. I think they just show a familiar angle across from the place where you do the tutorial fight, so I thought he was literally just hanging out basically a minute walk from New Serena.
I felt extra stupid reading this comment because I realized I'd actually stood basically in the exact spot I thought that scene took place, because it's just like the outer wall of Shinjuku station and doesn't actually look like that alley. I even took a picture of the gate from there. (Starts singing Baka Mitai)
6:07 barefoot actually cost you money is the funniest shit i ever seen
Barefoot? In this economy?!
kiryu feet
It's literally like a racing game charging you to reduce weight by taking out everything from the interior except the steering wheel and driver seat.
@@thehwguy4293I guess at that point it's just there for balancing reasons.
While I enjoyed both games there’s no denying how they did Hanawa was so odd and infuriating bro ☠️
9:40
Don't blame the fans too. Blame RGG and the magazines.
They spoiled it literally WEEKS before the game's release.
The whole point of “Everyone else fell for this games tricks” is really moot and honestly kinda rude, imo. It contradicts your point that we can enjoy this game in spite of your criticisms and makes it look like you’re playing ‘Pick-me’ cos you didn’t ‘fall for it’. There’s a lot of passive aggressive talk in this review and it’s not a good way to try and present your arguments
Agreed. I actually agree with a lot of his points, as grumpy and bitter as he sounds. But the more of a jerk you are, the less people are going to want to listen to your opinion. Seems like the RGG community is trashing this video and I get why.
Womp womp
He's right about everything tho
First off, his argument starts off with how he does not like the game and why that is the case. Without that I feel like his whole video would have no identity.
I do not believe this is a review as it is more of a retrospective, thus the more emotional touch.
I do believe that anybody can enjoy any game, but there has GOT to be a line… like Sonic Forces.
SPIT YOUR SHIT BOSS
I'm not sure how you can call Shishido undercooked as character but then praise Aizawa when Shishido is just Aizawa with the same screentime in a shorter game, but maybe they just didn't say yume enough in Gaiden for his dreams and ambitions to count.
Aizawa was the consequence of the ''main'' villain of the game, his father. Who went above and beyond due to his terminal cancer to give his son everything
But Aizawa himself rejects and resent this idea of getting his dream without working and earning it. Why do you think Kiryu tells Aizawa to work his way up the right way when he defeats him?
Shishido is not ''just aizawa''. Shishido literally backtracks on one of his two main drives which is his utter hatred for Nishitani, and wants to go to the top only on the excuse of outing a traitor. It is not about chasing a dream, but about being unable to let go of the one thing he's familiar with
@@delk1299i thought the point was that despite all the shit he's done he feels like he has no future *outside* of the yakuza and is willing to put up with him?
I thought that too. he was at the bottom for most of his upbringing and all he wanted was to gain power and wealth to live comfortably and dissolving the yakuza was gonna ruin all that. Yea he hates nishitani but he’d rather keep nishitani alive than to go back down to the slave status he once had. That’s why his conclusion sucks bad for him. Hes not yakuza anymore he’s a slave to the daidoji and he’s stuck with nishitani.
“What if yuya saw him” ur so funny dawg, 7 whole times u've run around Kamurocho and u can’t recognize the immediate difference in location I’m cryin ☠️☠️☠️
Hypothetical
@@VirtuousAezon The hypothetical doesn’t make sense
@NeoReoxis I'm like 100% he's referring to how if Joryu was in Kamurocho he could be easily spotted by anyone there who knows him which happened multiple times in Infinite Wealth
@@VirtuousAezon but he’s not in Kamurocho so why bring it up? That’s a criticism for 8 not Gaiden 😭
@@NeoReoxisto be fair to kiryu, until the end he at least tries to hide his normal look
27:57 The reason he didn’t take the original deal was the get the 3 jimas out of prison to avoid war with the Yomei
I just realized all their names end the same and spit my drink. You made my day.
@@inconemay1441dude same......
About Akame points: I didn't have any shortage of them and by the end of the 4th chapter I was fully maxed out.There was not a single point in the entire playthrough where I had to purposefully grind them for upgrades. More so, I haven't completed even a half of the requests that you may get from town's folk. Substories and Coliseum give you enogh currency to be maxed out. Of course, you still have to complete those as well, but I doubt that you could call it a grind. And really there is no point in upgrading all of the abilities since then the game becomes a cakewalk even on the Agent difficulty. I guess we just had different experience with this aspect of the game, the system is indeed not perfect, however it is in no way as terrible as you make it sound like.
Agree. I more or less ignored the the random people across town and still had so much money and so many Akame points that I ended up significantly overleveling; final boss was a joke as a result
I was really baffled at this because this isn’t Yakuza 0 anymore. You don’t need to do every little thing anymore to 100% a Yakuza game now.
i agree, they were nice tasks to do between walking to substories. you dont need to grind for it that much really unless you want to max out your character in my experience. Which you dont even need to do. I even did the amon fight without having all my hp/atk stats maxed
for real, akame points were pretty easy to gain for me without grinding.
i can understand that he doesn't the story but calling gaiden a shit game is just wild imo.
I was drowning in cash and Akame points by the end, but I did complete the arena. I was able to buy the best gear and all the upgrades. I don't even think I needed to use a healing item during the final boss fight because you get so OP.
to me the last two chapters of the game was like if RGG men in black showed up to my house, flashed me with their mind erasing pen and said "you like this game, shishido is awesome and you want to kiss him" i kept thinking how fucking stupid the boat was, how dumb hanawa and the daidoji were for letting kiryu choose "joryu" as his fake name. anyways this game is perfect
Gay
I’d like to personally thank DLC Majima’s special cyclone move for carrying me through the arena and money grinding 💜
Same here... And that "HI-YAAH!" At the end of his spin is the cherry on top.
I did that too, but the moment I got Sugiura I didn't look back, he is literally invincible as long as you are dodging and dodge attacking, and has infinite dodges, he is so busted lol.
Imagine paying 8 dollars for that
@@C-xn1dw pre order bonus lmao
Why did Kiryu not wear an actually good disguise? That's what I wondered. I'm sure they have the technology of at least a 2000s movie like white chicks...
On the bright side with the drones and cigarrette bombs is that you can hold both buttons down to use them in tandem. Having enemies distracted and standing around bombs so they can detonate makes for a decent crowd control option
Had to stop watching the video 9 mins in. I don't love this game, but you whine too much and aren't funny. The comments even warned that you randomly spoiled judgement.
Here on another episode of not letting dead men rest. At this point I don't even think writing Kiryu to die outright with a Metal Gear Solid 4 like 50 hour long cutscene packed with meaning is going to stop RGG from reviving him and putting him in the next game.
Infinite wealth really felt like it was finally putting him out of business for good with how weak and decrepit he looked in the games closing cutscene, but I guess we’ll see if that sticks.
@@tropicturtle9021He’s definitely not being written out entirely, but I can see him being written out of the protagonist role for good
After his death at age 70 in Like a dragon 10 unlimited heat, kiryu comes back in Like a dragon Infinite Health as a synth kiryu, he was created in a lab and his consciousness was transfered from his old body.
@@tropicturtle9021 we all know he's going to come back
Completely fine with him being Daidoji blackmail and coming back every game, but the execution for explaining it was rather dumb.
In an interview it was proven that Gaiden was supposed to be part of Kiryu's story in 8 but it was so long that they had to scrap it to a smaller game. This game could've suffered from bad writing solely because it wasn't the priority.
But now other question is how this game would even work in 8? Considering they made an entire Kiryu list section only to have the bucket list option, could suggest that they planned more. But... It feels like RGG shouldn't really be splitting their games in half as in 6 months they really did not make this game seem that good.
I'm glad you mentioned this, this would explain at least partially to me, why Kiryu's half of Infinite Wealth felt so rushed and like it suffered rewrites... It's because it probably did, and Gaiden is the proof.
Which interview was that?
Still waiting for yakuza 3's retrospective
Rikiya....
MINEEEEE!
Ruff
Us
Cvit's waiting for Kiwami 3 to get announced for the 20th anniversary
God damn glad you are ok! Some people don’t need a license
I didn’t DISlike this game, but certainly thought it was aggressively mediocre. For it to be the highest rated of the series is insane
Most people probably wrote their reviews right after the ending.
You got hit by a car while getting Infinite Wealth? Man, I know some games go all in on their difficulty, but this is ridiculous!
Sega is much like the Tojo in the Yakuza series. Whenever Kiryu tries to get out, or gets kicked out, they bring him back. Every. Single. Time.
As soon as I saw the notification my day got so much better. I'm always looking forward to your uploads
Wtf is with the Judgment spoilers with no warning? That was a fucked up thing to do man.
Glad I played both before this so i wasnt spoiled.
The game came out years ago lol 😂 you aren’t being spoiled
@mrajking808 not everyone is a NEET who plays every video game right as they come out.
There’s a spoiler warning at the beginning of the video?
@@CoD7Vietnamthe spoiler says YAKUZA series, not JUDGMENT series.
I'm glad you've recovered from your car accident, I was very surprised to hear it mid video. Amazing video as per, regardless the subject, you always make it enjoyable!
28:04 That's Roppongi, not Kamurocho. This is a pretty huge oversight in your review because it makes your point irrelevant about Yuya and Kazuki seeing him. Even if you'd argue both are in Tokyo, It's still almost 6 km away from Kamurocho so there's no way people who actually knew him would spot him there.
Pretty lame to spoil bayonetta 3 out of nowhere. I fucking hate when TH-camrs do that shit. Im here for Yakuza content not bayonetta so please in the future dont do that.
bayonetta 3 is antiwhite trash, you were spared, not spoiled. Just pirate the game.
I usually love your videos. But throughout this whole video you kept whining about the smallest things.
The Aslume spreads
THE ASLUME SPREADS
baman
Officer balls
Jonkler
@@prettieboiswag6659 BWAAHAHA
Officer balls
It's funny how the yakuza fanbase can never agree that a game is just good it's either the best in the series or the worst in the series
" 0 is the onlly good game in the series."
" nothng before lke a dragon matter so skp them"
and then the ever wonderful " skip yakuza 3"
Oof. Sorry to hear about you getting in a car accident. I hope you're doing okay.
What’s with the nonchalant bayo 3 spoiler? Makes the point about Kaito feel a little mute.
He had a handful of spoilers in here that just come out of nowhere. I haven't played Lost Judgement yet, why show me a spoiler for the ending, after ranting earlier about how Yakuza fans have so little restraint when it comes to blurting out spoilers?
I like the video, but I have my criticisms.
@@Maloolz yeah I was willing to chalk judgement spoilers up to it being "basically Yakuza" but it was equally off. Some parts of this video feel like they were designed for entirely different scripts but got stitched together with little regard as to how they meshed. Overall fine, but you could really feel him not having any fun making this.
@@Lato_DeszczHe should take a break from new Yakuza IMO.
There's nothing wrong with falling out of love with a franchise. I wouldn't mind if the script read like he had more interesting critiques for it, but the script just reads like he's fatigued and doesn't even have too much worth saying other than "this sucks, I'm tired of it sucking."
I was the same way and took a break from the series for awhile, now, while I share a lot of his criticisms, I'm still looking forward to more of the series because I've allowed myself that break.
@@MaloolzBayo 3 should not be spoiled but the video warns for spoilers on ALL yakuza games. LJ is part of that
@@delk1299 Judgement ain't a fucking Yakuza game. That's like calling Hokuto no Ken a Yakuza game. Give proper spoiler warnings, especially if in the SAME EXACT VIDEO you moan about people being loose with spoilers.
gaiden is one of my top yakuza games, the only point i agree with is that the daidoji is pretty stupid and incompetent.
Edit: 59:30 marketed as a missing piece between 6* and 7* not 7 to 8
I still REALLY enjoyed Gaiden, but I also agree that the events of IW make it worse on the narrative side. I also played this before LJ and in hindsight, it's unfortunate that Gaiden's combat isn't as good as it is in LJ, but i still had fun with it. I'm also very conflicted on IWs ending, and I'm curious to hear your full thoughts when the retrospective comes out in 2047
This dude is a textbook whiny, entitled American consumer. Talking way too wild.
Having standards is whiny now?
@@user-zu9yp4xx8g spoken like a true Karen. Critique is fine, but this dude goes to the next level
@@user-zu9yp4xx8g You WILL mindlessly consoom media and you WILL get exicted every time new media comes out
keep licking sega's boot, im certain they'll appreciate it
I agree with some of your takes but overall this video feels like one big "Quit having fun" statement.
Sorry you couldn't enjoy the game like everyone else dude but no need to make an hour long rant video about it with a "Look at me, I don't like this game. I'm so different and cool" tone all over it.
I also laughed out loud when you said Yakuza 6's O MY SECRET GOVERNMENT BOAT was a good ending for Kiryu, I almost thought this video was a joke because of that.
If you seriously thought me liking and thinking 6’s ending was good pertains to the boat you clearly didn’t listen to a single word I said you fucking goof.
“Quit have fun” quit being so fragile that any differing opinion on the thing you like is taken as a personal attack. I do not and will continue to not like the game and people should continue to like it if they do regardless I don’t get how this is such a foreign concept to you weirdos
@@Cvit nobody's taking it as a personal attack lmao you just have really bad takes about the series and are being called out on it, but i guess that was to be expected from someone who has 5 as one of their top entries
also doesn't help that you just casually drop a bayonetta spoiler in this video, you're really doing yourself 0 favors with that one, just say you didn't like how people spoiled the kaito thing for you and move on
@@swaggymungdaalpeople who dont share your opinions on media are not wrong. he didn't like the game, and he had enough passion to make a video explaining why. you don't have to agree with him, but stop acting like theres an objective standard on something as subjective as art.
@@Cvit the rant at 26:20 and onwards just feels like a deflection of anyone calling you out for mocking people who liked the game, so that if someone says this rant is condescending and unnecessary to the videos subject matter, you can say they were proving your point about people taking criticism about a game they like as a personal attack. Just saying that people can enjoy whatever games they want to and acting like you did nothing to provoke these kinds of remarks in the comments after making a passive aggressive statement like this in the video they are commenting about is just silly.
@@Cvit To be honest yeah, I couldn't listen to anything you say. Not in that pretentious tone of voice anyway.
I don't see this as some personal attack either. I get it, you didn't like the game but this video just felt like you were trying to get people to agree with you that this was a bad game when it's currently the highest rated one in the series.
I enjoyed this game despite its flaws in story and combat and moved on from it. You on the other hand went out of your way to paint it in the most negative light possible and shame anyone for defending it.
i feel so vindicated hearing someone bring up kiryu's totally but totally not for real daidoji pact. over the two weeks or so in which the main plot stuff in infinite wealth is happening it felt like kiryu had 5 different "the world now knows that the legendary dragon of dojima is alive!" moments that more or less went nowhere and ended with nameless grunt number 8 walking up to kiryu and go "yeahhhh, sorry about that man, you're free to go, go nuts"
massive letdown, piss story, GREAT video
I’m not done yet but your combat gripes give me pause. The random expert blocking and countering has been in yakuza games for ages. This is why you can step cancel out of most moves and reposition yourself . The fighting engine is a simulation with respect to directional damage similar to virtua fighter . It’s a best of class fighting engine and I don’t doubt that the enemy density and other factors make it seem janky but I really think you should’ve dug deeper into the character action aspect and found more reliable methods to dominate combat
44:45 I'm praying Shishidō comes back in another game. The Oni or Tojo clan trying to make a back would be great.
I also feel you 100% on the Yakuza burnout. Infinite Wealth has burned me out severely. I've played it on and off for a few weeks, reaching the ending with a good, "not rushing it" pace (grinding a little bit after Yakuza 7 difficulty spike I decided it would be wise to be overleveled a little bit) but my God, Yakuza 8 is quite rough.
The whole last part of it all feels rushed. And I really hope RGG reels it back a little bit with this writing style and waits a bit before making a new one.
Would you actually recommend playing IW? I'm literally here only for the story by this point and I'm wondering if it's even worth playing the game itself or if I should just watch a playthrough.
@@Edward3Nigmafrom yakuza 7 to IW, it’s honestly such a huge leap in gameplay, I mean that in a good way
@@wii5550 Yeah I don't like turn based combat in general. I'm just asking if the story is good enough to warrant 70 bucks
@@Edward3Nigma I’ll say this, imo it’s a much better closure story for kiryu in IW than 6, I think a big problem the story does is how some of the villains are portrayed, one of the villains you encounter is made to be this big bad guy who’s just a deplorable person but then is made a muck of when the actual real big time villain is introduced, also the game still has the moments in the other rgg games where there’s like 10 minutes of characters having to sit down and explain things to the player
@@wii5550 I'm just gonna ask for the real deal breaker. Does Kiryu ACTUALLY get closure? As in "is never going to come back outside of possible refrences and minor cameos" and is the build up worth the pay off for his ultimate closure?
this is the worst video I have ever seen and it’s not close
Once again I’m here to say i shall return when i finish the game and also show my support
Honestly Gaiden is higher up in my RGG tier list, a lot of the points made in the video are valid, they just didn't negatively effect me. After Infinite Wealth though, this game definitely did not need to exist and the daidoji stuff is the source of the more baffling plot points.
I feel like RGG studio has been spending to much budget of every entry into the series on more new side content which nearly always is underbaked with bad characters while they could be spending it on bettering the main content instead of perpetuating the ``WOW this serious game has so much goofy side content`` shtick which misses the point of these games.
sidestorys are essential (not counting fetch quests) but in infinite wealth alone there is dondoko island and sujimon battles, both of which have very generic characters and sujimon battles having the same face these 5 bosses of the big evil league thing that has been recycled for so long and the actual gamplay of both is simple monotonous grind, RGG should atleast make less side content which is more polished than a ton of slop which most people skip anyways.
For sure, watching Infinite Wealth's trailers really made me feel like the game is just trying way too hard, and the whole reason the whackiness of the games was endearing in the first place was that it felt so earnest. I haven't played IF yet so I can't speak much on whether or not this feeling is right but in general more and more of the side content has been feeling like they're just doing it to satisfy the expectation that Yakuza games are silly, and it's progressively more difficult to stomach especially when I can see how much resources it's taking away from improving the presentation of the main story. The overly verbose nature of these games wouldn't get on my nerves if the long dialogue scenes had engaging direction. I was never annoyed by the long cutscenes of MGS because even though codec calls were the same cost-cutting boring way to present dialogue as the in-engine shot-reverse shot of LAD, they were much better balanced alongside real cutscenes with real direction and performances from characters that actually emoted properly because they weren't constrained to reused, cheap animations when they weren't just standing still. The codec was also way less jarring because the facial animations were still on point and it was properly framed in-universe for why it looks the way it does. But most importantly, there really were just way more actual cutscenes aside from MGS1, where it's easily excused by the fact that PS1 graphics wouldn't really let characters emote in cutscenes, so the 2D headshots of the codec served way more of a functional purpose. Of course more cutscenes would be expensive but if all that money wasn't spent on subpar side content that still ends up underbaked, it would serve the quality of these games immensely. And hell, if they focused on much less, but higher quality side content maybe we'd get some actually well-written side stories with their very own cutscenes again. Wouldn't that be something.
@@fidgetf.2470So you didn't enjoy dondoko and sujimons then ?
@@bentleywittman4617 not really, I found them too monotonous and boring.
@@fidgetf.2470 What about sidestories and gameplay itself then ?
Why did you spoil Bayonetta out of the blue like that? Was it really necessary to give that example? I don't think it really added anything to the video, It seems to me that you just spoiled it for the sake of it.
Lol get rekt
@@endervertanranger incel
Bayonetta is more than a decade old , holy shit.
@@nbkhnzzr Bayonetta 3 is not.
@@KJWYif you were interested in it then you would have already played it. It's been 2 years.
Yakuza 6's ending is bad. Let's not kid ourselves, Kiryu realised self sacrificial behaviour caused problems, it's what kick starts 6 after all... but does it in the ending anyway.
It's a game where self sacrifices either don't work or Kiryu is constantly stopping other characters from doing it like with Nagumo and Yuta and explaining to them how it won't help their loved ones but then in the ending he just... does it again.
Counterpoint: A big part of Yakuza 6 was about Kiryu remembering why he became a Yakuza In a first place and embracing his nature, with self-sacrifice serving as a core part of his being.
I don't think that someone sticking to their guns when it is a core part of their character is a bad writing. It can be annoying, but that doesn't mean that it's awful or whatever.
I didn't hate Yakuza 6, and though it was serviceable as an ending to Kiryu... but overall, I'm happy overriding it with a better ending
Perfect counterpoint. In 0 he left the yakuza and put a target on his back for kazamas sake. In 1 he did ten years in the joint for Nishikis sake. He's always been like that
@blindeyedblightmain3565
Sorry Bro, but Gaiden was good. How can you have such an L take
Also saying the kiryu crying scene should have been in 7 is the stupidest thing they could have done. 7 was a soft reboot, why in the hell would the crying scene be put into that game with no context surrounding it? Stop making videos dude, take a break from being so negative and full of hate and touch some grass. For your health. Respectfully.
I think Yakuza 6 was leagues better than this game. Stronger theme, fun side characters, detestable villains and an open ending. I loved it - its only flaw is the wonky combat honestly. They really didn’t need to keep Kiryu after that; should’ve just gone full hog with Ichiban and his friends. RGG Studio are so good at creating new and compelling characters so it’s genuinely baffling why they can’t let go of Kiryu.
Also, Gaiden has an insane amount of filler. Thought I was playing a Kingdom Hearts game with how little presence the story had until the end of the game.
I definitely enjoyed the game but I actually find it refreshing to hear a different perspective!
As much as I like Yakuza series, even I think that series should take few years break(that includes Yakuza like games like Judgment), for its own good. When it comes back they should leave Kiryu be, maybe include him as cameo in side mission and concentrate on totally new character or at least one of the previously playable character that isn’t Kiryu, like let’s say Akiyama. In mean time SEGA could try and bring back some other series like Shinobi, Skies of Arcadia or Sakura Wars etc. RGG could help if not straight up develop one of these themselves.
Look, I get that you dislike Gaiden and Infinite Wealth after watching this video. Even though you make some valid points and I do feel that the story and writing (especially) are definitely questionable (Hanawa's build up in Gaiden only to die in IW, Ichiban X Saeko forced subplot, the rushed ending of IW, etc.), the gameplay themselves are some of the greatest in the franchise (especially IW which I'm quite surprised considering I don't like turn based combat as much). I just cannot agree with your points and I definitely feel you're overreacting on the bad aspects of both games. Plus, since you are experiencing burnout from the series, I definitely feel the negative bias you had and didn't highlight enough the good aspects of it.
Good video.
Regarding launchers its mostly the same as in lost judgement. Use a launch attack and immediately swap to consistently keep enemies in the air.
I wont act like i know what kind of black magic they use to make this work but it is what it is.
No. Only small enemies can juggled normally. For Boss characters juggles nerfed pretty hard and you can't juggle more than 10 hits, only way to do it is from what I have seen, timing an another launcher when the enemy falls to ground but that resets your juggle unlike lost judgment
@@gsifdgsgs Look up a final boss no-hit run and you'll see how hard you can juggle bosses
@@wonderfultaco7853 if you read my comment I already explained how do they do that
One step closer to the time we all Fly, my friend
Very much enjoy the video, well edited, entertaining, and you explain your position and thoughts well. It's very telling how good you are at these that I loved the vid while disagreeing with almost all of it, lol. I loved Gaiden, especially coming from 6 being the last Kiryu game I played, which I thought was a horrible ending for Kiryu, both narratively and in terms of an overall game. For Gaiden, I thought the characters were great, combat was excellent, though a step down from the Judgment games, and the story it had to tell was sick, getting to see the dissolution from another perspective and how Kiryu was doing after 6. Though the Daidoji as a whole aren't great in terms of writing, and like you said, Nishitani felt a bit undercooked (I did really enjoy Shishido, myself). It's clear with this and your other Yakuza vids that you're really passionate about this series, and it's genuinely saddening that you'd consider Gaiden actively bad, especially when I'd probably put it in my top 5 games in the series. Hope that the series can improve for you soon, as it sounds like you didn't enjoy Infinite Wealth too much either. Thanks for the vid
Hope you’re doing good Cvit. Just watching your intro (and knowing your other Yakuza opinions) I think we agree on most points but I think a lot of the extra stuff was a call from outside the studio to make the game worth it and accessible to new comers when it absolutely the hell shouldn’t have been. Any story accessibility was pandering even to newbies.
Looking forward to watching the rest of this while I job hunt.
Honestly, Hot Take, I enjoy this type of Yakuza Combat more than Turn-Based , and I'm happy to have this opinion, I rather Punch, Kick and Titty Twist more than the Wait to do the Cum Guzzler in LAD:Y (the ones with Ichiban)
Oh goodie, another multi hour cvit video on a new entry in an RPG series, can't wait to watch this. Sure the last time he did this, I wanted to scoop out my eyes with a rusty god damn ice cream spoon, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence lmao
I relate to your statement about people having negative opinions on the series being viewed as crazy.
Some of my hot takes like “Judgment is boring” or “Lost Paradise has the best combat” makes me feel like people are going to put me in a straight jacket
As a major Yakuza fan, there is so much toxic positivity in this fanbase and series that it's ridiculous. Basically nobody is willing to criticize any of the games unless it's one of the predetermined safe jokes (blockuza 3, schizo ichiban, rubber bullets, etc), and if you make any observations that arent "PEAK PEAK PEAK" you're just a hater. I almost wish that IW was outright shit just so people would stop glazing every entry like they're gospel.
@@maxwellpaynewell5305honestly I agree. People love shitting on the older games when I find everything after Judgement to be much less compelling, with the exception of 7 and the Kaito files… Not to mention things like the rise of microtransactions and beating the dead horse that is Kiryu lmao
“Your stupid and your opinion is objectively wrong” 🤓🤓🤓
I love every single one of these games except kiwami 2, and I can agree yea, people are crazy, personally Gaiden is one of my favorite games and I believe these points are pretty stupid, but you shouldn’t be shamed for having other opinions.
i liked gaiden because of it being a small/ straight to the point story compared to the rest of the series. however i think if it were attached as a DLC to lad8, id probably enjoy it more as it would be like kaito files but with (hopefully) some new side content. It would've been a neat way to hint towards a yakuza 9 with shishido making an appearance because it seems gaiden was written after lad8. i hope they make more gaiden games but with better campaign pacing as i didnt like doing side content during my main campaign.
Literally was just looking for a in-depth review/discussion dor Yakuza 8 after just beating it. This works perfectly.
>in depth
Boy this video is just 1 hour of random spoilers and basic opinions
@@frogglen6350????
I like to consider myself generally easy to please, I like gaiden because at that time I mostly blasted through the story and really liked the ending and shishido, I dunno why but he felt way more present than what you claim, and thats besides the point.
It takes me like experiencing the story a second time to fully grasp it (which is probably a bad thing), and could've possibly been recency bias, then again I _am_ easy to please.
So imagine my shock when infinite wealth, as good and as fun as that game is, managed ti make me feel like something was _clearly_ wrong.
Who'd ever call anyone "Brother Conflict".
Babe wake up new cvit dropped
Stop with the cringe memes !!!
The Daidoji are even more incompetent in Infinite Wealth. 😔
MAJOR INFINITE WEALTH SPOILERS BELOW:
Especially during the end of Bucket List where they threatened to kill Date if Kiryu ever meets up with Haruka and Haruto in person only for that to not matter anyways because at the very last cutscene of the game both of them now know that Kiryu is still alive this whole time.
Spoilers:
Hanawa was done extremely dirty... We never even got a clear answer to who he was or how he knew Kiryu... I know there's theories floating around but damn it why did they immediately kill him off the next game?
@@deadzone4033 Not much of a theory, that last gaiden scene confirms straight up that its Morinaga. Which makes what happens to him in 8 absolutely stupid.
@@ArcAngelus6 Exactly!! Hanawa deserved better...
@@deadzone4033 Yup. So much better...
Damn bro how you give a spoiler warning for Infinite Wealth then spoil Bayonetta 2??
It's funny how he bitches about Yakuza fans spoiling kaito for being in a substory for five minutes, then casually spoils a huge moment in a completely different game. I guess it's okay when he does it for some reason.
Bayonetta 3 was released a year ago. Not a spoiler.
@@Skeleton20133 It doesn't matter when something is released, it's still a spoiler. Especially when it's only been a year, people don't just immediately chew through every single new piece of media that ever comes out. If it was a 10-year-old game that argument would hold some weight at least but 1 year? Really? Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset about the spoiler or your comment or anything like that, hell, I'm of the belief that spoilers rarely matter anyway, because if a story is well-written then knowing won't take away from the impact, but other people do care, and this is a really flawed argument for why they shouldn't be annoyed when they get spoiled to out of nowhere.
@@JosephJoeseph Yes it does matter. It's your fault.
@@Skeleton20133 BRO, WHAT'S MY FAULT? WHAT'D I DO?
Like a Dragon Gaiden & Infinite Wealth is what happens when Toshihiro Nagoshi & Daisuke Saito leave. The series has gone to complete garbage after there departure.
I'm glad to know others feel the same that these games were horrible and that me and my buddy aren't crazy for thinking that way.
Don't worry you guys are crazy just because some disagrees doesn't mean it turned to garbage my guy😊
@@no_one_wins_but_i Bro, Gaiden doesn't even have New Game+...and Infinite Wealth you have to pay extra for NG+.....GARBAGE. Or will the blinded fan boys be like "no man, it's better this way"
@@urbanizeddreamsThe Japanese release of 7 also charged for NG+, they've been doing this since the last few years of Nagoshis run. Only difference is the localization team didn't fight putting scummy practices like that into the international releases from Ishin Kiwami onward
I enjoyed Gaiden for what it was but you're unfortunately on point about the pacing/padding issues and the fact that 8 essentially makes Gaiden's story pointless. $50 filler arc with a fantastic ending.
24:24 wel at least your honest about being wrong cause omg its like you are trying to actively search for things you can nit pick because you are acting like a child who just wants to be different
So butthurt you left 2 comments. It's ok to say the game is mid compared to other yakuza games :).
@@pyrobowser158 it’s not the fact he’s saying it’s mid it’s the fact that very little of his criticism is valid
@@jasonfitt7049reminds me of his disastrous persona 5 review 💀
Yakuza 6 pretty much wrapped up Kiryu’s story. Bringing him back (as the main playable character in a game) was obviously going to be a soulless cash-grab. For that reason I never took it seriously, I think it can be fun but I had no real expectations of something great.
It really is a shame that RGG couldn't let their cash cow go after 6. They didn't even wait one fucking game and just had to shove him into the main plot of 7. Couldn't even just make him an optional superboss or something. And he's practically the main character in 8 which completely shits all over the idea of having Ichiban take over the series.
Honestly I can see why they did that. 6 had a great emotional ending, but it wasn't a satisfying ending. Couple that with bad combat and none of Kiryu's friends (except Date and Akiyama) present for what was supposed to be his "final showdown"? It's no wonder they picked his story up again.
And considering that apparently Kiryu's Gaiden story was originally meant for Infinite Wealth before they made it into a separate game, I'm glad that Gaiden exists. Because this being in Infinite Wealth would've completely taken the spotlight from Kasuga.
Just say you have no sense if enjoyment
I still haven't finished this game. The combat was fun but yeah, I kinda had the same feeling about the story/writing as you did. And i don't think i found any decent sidequests. I'm not a fan of when a series gives a character a good send off, and then brings them back. Makes the entirety of Y6 essentially pointless.
Just my thoughts.
The entire rant about the grind feels like a non-complaint. You're claiming the existence of the grind is bad which I'm sure everyone can agree on, yet you intentionally ignore the even longer and far more tedious grinds from almost every other entry in the series. You're also ignoring how easy it is to get Akame points (map tasks, completion list, substories, leveling up the network), and framing multiple items as expensive despite the fact a couple of rounds in the coliseum in the mid game can buy you most things and a single round in the end game just breaks the economy completely. Whether or not you like the tasks and substories it's undeniable that the majority of them are lightning fast which makes the grind less tedious than how you portray it.
There's also the fact that RGG have taken a more free approach in their skill trees which is objectively better than previous games. Individual skills can now be picked according to your preferences, entirely ignored, or you can choose to grind for every single one (like every other game ever made.) Simply dismissing the entire system over a tiny grind is so odd to me.
Combat is something I half agree on. I like Gaiden a lot but its inconsistency makes it worse than even the middling combat systems in this series. As for the rest I'm iffy on what you say. Agent Style has quite a few sweeping kicks in its arsenal which combined with the multiple quicksteps and general speed of its regular attacks make for a style that can be used effectively without relying on extreme heat. I also think locking the strongest heat actions in the game behind extreme heat is not a bad move at all, the problem is that there are barely any regular heat actions beyond the few super situational moves or your basic ground and wall heat actions, things that shouldn't be treated as special but rather the bare minimum for heat moves.
Also just get out of here with the whole "oh, I'm different, sorry for NOT liking your game dude! I'm not your average reviewer, I'm like doing my own thing man!" Having a different opinion is not impressive at all and if you want people to listen to and engage with you then the last thing you should do is go after every positive review and act like they're crazy for having an opinion that doesn't align with yours. What you add in the description about people being free to enjoy Gaiden won't matter because it's not as important as what you wrote down, voiced, and gave a pass to while editing. Dislike the game all you want, treat it as bad as a meteor striking the earth if you really had a bad time with it, but these were the parts I disagreed with and I don't care to spend another 40 minutes of my life watching this if I can expect to be passive aggressively talked down to just for having a good time with the game.
I never had a problem with the gaiden combat, i can easily combo in people in the air, the best way to get enemies in the air is to use spider
48:45 You described it perfectly. It was nice playing as Kiryu again in a brawler but the middle section was so lacking. Remember guys don't let twitter hype paint your expectations for games. 😅
5:35 lol that's the 1st thing I when I got the jet boots. I wish they were usable outside of combat tho.
not to hate but a lot of gaiden complaints ive seen really feel like people just figuring out they dont like the series cause i really dont think a lot of the elements have any much difference or better justification in any of the other games
I disagree with a lot of this. But I hope we can all agree....
That infinite wealth writing is worse.
My only real gripe with infinite wealths story is how rushed its ending felt. Otherwise I didn’t have any major gripes and honestly the gameplay was so nice and such a glowing improvement over 7s that I didn’t really care that much at the end of the day.
I adore this game. It’s a nice good bye to one of the most iconic characters of all time, the dragon of Dojima, Kiryu. I enjoyed every thing this game offers, story wise and gameplay wise. The last scene in which Kiryu cries after seeing the kids was very emotional and genius at same time. Thank you Goraryue
Except it's not a goodbye as it seems
You, sir, have cooked. I agree with 99% of what you said. I felt like im insane when only me and my friend were discussing these issues. We got hit with the classic yakooza fan response; “did you ackchyually play any game in the series? 🤓”
99% is too much. But this video gave me an answer why I don't wanna go back to newer games(from JE to Gaiden)
@@default9555 yeah it was a bit of an exaggeration lol. I'd say 75-85%.
Have you played LJ? that game's combat is peak. has it's flows but still the best in the series
@@KhaledSham yeah, combat is good, but game is really mid, tbh
fax my boy spit yo shit
54:20 feels like they try to kill off Kiryu for years but can't go through with it fearing the series won't survive without him. Kinda sad but that's sadly how it is over such long times xd.
I do agree
The story of IW was laughable at some points. No really, I laughed when Kiryu explained how he got cancer as if he never had a smoking addiction.
It says something when they had to bring in a straight man (Tomizawa) to ask the questions for us as to why the plot would get so messy at some points. I’m serious not even a minute later when Chitose was explaining her back story did I ask my tv set ‘well if she’s rich then why did her parents not give her money’ did Tomi ask Chitose the same question.
The only reason I cried at the end of Gaiden and IW was not because of what was happening in the plot (because trust me it was a shitshow)- it was because Takaya Kuroda knows how to voice act.
I think the only fun thing to come out of IW’s plot was Yamai.
Kiryu's freak of nature, obviously he wouldn't get cancer from smoking or some other shit. You're talking like Ozzy Osbourne, who's still alive because of genetics, doesn't exist
Tbh Sawashiro's and final bosses arcs were cool, even if some will disagree with me. Dwight and Wong shine in boss fights though.
lol man you can tell who the ogs are because we are already used to the goofy nonsensical stories. Theres like only 3 games (and a dlc) that have legitimately well written stories.
@@cius2112 yeah. Still, RGG under Yokoyama sucks so far. Too many fan service, last two games feel too filler-ish. IW is really good from gameplay perspective, tho
Yong's performance as Kiriyu makes the original English dub for Symphony of the Night look like Shadows of Valentia.
22:50 it’s not gacha btw where the hell you’d get this info from. You made leveling up your fighters a lot harder than it needed to be by like… a lot.
I appreciate the joey "fuckko" diaz mention. Dude has taste in gaming AND comedy
Kaito being incompetent for the protagonist's sake is especially egregious considering that a massive part of why his character was so fantastic in the Judgments is that he had so much agency. Side characters feeling like they exist for the protagonist and have absolutely nothing in their lives beside the player character is an issue with almost every video game and Yakuza couldn't really escape it until Judgment either which is why it's such a big deal that Kaito felt like a real person with an actual life and goals separate from the protagonist. He was a friend to Yagami and not his obedient servant inferior to him in every aspect, only existing to aid him and not doing anything on his own. He DID do lots of shit on his own, he was integral to Yagami's success and they were actually equals and partners. It felt like a real friendship and Kaito felt like a real person. Sometimes he wouldn't be in a quest just because Yagami called him for help and he said he has other stuff planned for that time. Sometime he's solve something offscreen on his own without any involvement from Yagami because he's a competent person who'd act on his own if involving Yagami wasn't necessary. He had an unprecedented level of agency for a video game NPC and it made him into such a well-rounded character who you could believe and get invested into as a real person. I'd bet that's why he's so beloved and why he's the only character beside Haruka to turn from a side character into a playable one. So turning him into a tool to show off how cool and sexy Kiryu is is especially offensive compared to any other character in the series.
Agree about Kaito, but Majima was also a side character that became playable after getting popular.
There is no fucking way you spent this whole video dogging on Gaiden for telling a shallow worthless story with no focus on the characters that apparently matter most, only to say Aizawa is a good final boss. Gaiden does suck, and its story is lame, but at least by being as long as Kiryu's parts in 5 it basically tells a version of that story where you don't have time to forget that Aizawa even exists at all. At least Shishido isn't quite as much of an ass pull as going from "I am a tojo grunt and I hate you" to "I am the son of the Omi chairman and I am a conniving master manipulator and I believe that dreams suck and natural talent is stupid." Even their "themes" are similarly shallow. Yakuza 5 says dream over and over and lists all the ways that dreams are a thing and how dreams affect things and people and how some people are evil and don't have dreams but they actually do unless they're Kanai. Gaiden says Kiryu erased his name and these are all the ways he's acting out of character and doing things he wouldn't have done before and he's forced to live a double life and he can't go back home because he erased his name and he isn't Kiryu because he's Joryu. They don't mean anything. They're just words that sound lofty because they're throwing around ideas and concepts without elaborating on anything about them in any meaningful way. They're not themes. They're checklists.
I agree with a lot of the points you made, and some new ones I actually haven't thought of, but still, i disagree with some others.
1: Maybe it's just me, but juggle launchers were actually super consistant for me, the points you made about how Dragon's launchers don't work is weird, since the clip you put showed you trying to combo without switching styles, when that's what you were supposed to do, switching will cancel Kiryu's recovary time and allow you to combo straight away.
Still though, the combat *is" pretty bad, Kiryu now has the speed of a decrepit old man, really, his charged dragon attacks are too fucking slow, it made it almost impossible for me to pull them off and juggle bosses consistantly without eating damage, and that was extra bullshit since i play without health upgrades, and the hyper armor they get is so unfair too, to the point where i'm literally doing a back combo, and the bosses will decide to turn around instantly and destroy a big portion of my health, Amon wws especially egregious since he tiger drops you mid combo, imagine that, i fucking side step and do a dodge attack to his back while he was attacking, and he instantly tiger drops me, the combat really degraded to me always dodging and doing some baby hits before immediately dodging again so that I don't get fucked over
They also made juggling worse, it now has a 6 second time limit before the boss unceremoniously flops down, when LJ's system of just diminishing returns was perfectly fine.
The real shitter here was that this came after Lost Judgment, imagine that, in LJ, you can actually do full combos off of back attacks, and when bosses get hyper armor, they block first before attacking, stopping you from just spamming attacks but not also fucking you over at the same time, this game's combat was a downgrade from LJ in every way.
Now for the rest, Shishido didn't beat Saejima and Majima at the same time, he was just beaten by Kiryu, and then came back right after the Omi fight, and they specifically mention how it's his last stand, he's giving it his all, and he no longer cares about his health, the Jima bros didn't know that and rush him, and get suprised with how he was perfectly willing to take a knife through the hand and after a brief strugle, he knocks them back slightly, and after a short while, Kiryu beats him, and that tracks with his character, from the start of the game we know that he's not just some random mook and that he's actually strong.
Other than that, I like that bit of forshadowing where Shsishido tells Tsuruno that he has to help out and treat his underlings right sometimes at the resturaunt scene.
As for Watase speaking out loud, that makes sense, he's with his clan in an abandoned construction site, he trusts everyone there so he can speak loudly, you were right for the boat scene though, that one was stupid.
As for the money, it stops being an issue as soon as the colesium is introduced, my problem is, as you said, with the Akane points, even though you could get them easily via sub-stories, actually locking fucking uprages behind them, and thus, main story progress was fucking bullshit, speaking of the colesium, leveling new fighters up is not an issue, since there's this one reletivly cheap item you could buy that instantly levels them up by a good amount.
Now that you said it, that moment with Hanawa and the gun was really, really stupid i'm just imagining a comedic moment where Tsuruno walks in and sees Kiryu dead, also, the 'Test' would work..... if it was in some shounen anime with some other organisation, but not with a fucking secret branch of the government that has and is willing to threaten fucking orphanages.
Kiryu made the deal for the Daidoji because, instead of just a big pile of cash, he gets that, plus more continuous support for the orphanage, plus the Jimas getting out of prison so no gang wars, plus, now most people think he's dead so less people will try to use the orphanage to fuck him over.
Now for IW spoilers.
Kiryu getting cancer and him being suprised about it makes sense.
Hanawa suddenly being more antagonistic to Kiryu doesnt make any fucking sense.
The only way Gaiden changed my experiance with 8 is making me laugh out loud when we saw Hanawa die and then imeadietly getting the reminicance ost over 'So, Hanawa's dead'
The life links were super weird with the whole Kiryu is alive reveal thing, and the funny thing is that it would have worked if it wasn't gated with story progression and if they removed any mention of Tatara in there.
Oh, and the Daidoji directly target Kiryu in the last life link because Kiryu and Date were directly, intentionally breaking the contract by trying to meat Haruka, unlike with Tatara because that was clearly against their will.
The reason the Daidoji couldn't do much in this game is because one, they lost a lot of power since their main party lost the election due to Masato, and 2, most of the story takes place in America, so they can't act much there without alerting the government.
Speaking of Vtoubers, they make sense here, Yakuza games always feature the times they were in, and Vtubers are a big thing in 2023, and them taking Daigo and co. down by using a mix of some true information, like them making back deals with the government, the biases against yakuza, a larger platform, and (implied) a lot of inflamatory language, spinning the truth in alot of really disengenous ways, and some straight up lies would actually fuck over a security company trying to be legitimate.
As for the ending, I really liked it, I don't think the major moment where we see Kiryu finally deciding to live and try to cure his cancer instead of just letting it take him, along with him finally being free of the Daidoji, taking his name back and being allowed to be with his family without putting them in danger is a 'wet fart'
For why Kiryu got his name back, well, it's also kind of implied, the Daidoji said that they would treat him more kindly due to Hanawa, he just helped in the completion of a major mission in Hawai, he's already getting much weaker, so less useful due to his cancer, and it's already done, his face was in the news, trying to hide it more would be usless.
Gaiden has a special place in my ❤ cause it's the last yakuza beat em up game we'll have. Rgg is sticking to turn-based.
That's not true. I'm pretty sure other rgg games will be beat em up, and only mainline will be turn based for the foreseeable future
This video seems to have a lot of holes and was poorly researched, also pretty nitpicky.
Glad there's someone out there that can share how much this game screws up. I was so confused playing Gaiden at how SO many people say this is one of the best in the series when I just kept finding problem after problem with the game. I don't think it's the worst but it's one of the most "eh" in the entire series.
Bro im not saying your wrong, im saying your bad
Cant Wait for the Yakuza 3 retrospective in 3056 🥰🥰🥰
I havent played infinite wealth
I knew Hanawa was done dirty there but god...
The last skit of this video was unexpected and almost made up laugh up loud.