Inside the Intellectual Dark Web, Eric Weinstein
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2018
- Eric Weinstein coined the term 'The Intellectual Dark Web', to describe a group of heterodox thinkers who have risen to prominence on the internet. It includes Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, Bret Weinstein, Heather Heying, Douglas Murray and others.
In this interview with David Fuller of Rebel Wisdom he explains the purpose and genesis of the IDW, and how the growth of a new ideological worldview has made it necessary.
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I'm right of center, but could listen to Eric all day, everyday. He's been one of the IDW thinkers who really made me challenge my ideas and positions on the world. In fact his insight has changed my position on certain areas of opinion. But he did so in a way that wasn't condescending or elitist. He's done so with a practical politeness and intellectual assertiveness that allowed me to truly have a legitimately clear perspective from both sides. And he's done this to me on multiple different topics. I'm glad he's on our side. And by "side" I mean someone who is trying to repair our damaged ideological world.
So.. on behalf of the free market, I demand more interviews of Eric.
you mean right of center.
@@quinnishappy5309 Yes. Good catch.
Yeah, well said. He might be a leftie, but he's genuine, authentic and reasoned and so it's a pleasure to engage with his arguments. That's how it's supposed to be.
@@quinnishappy5309 that's what they said. What am I missing?
Death By Cognitive Dissonance
As a free maker supporter, perhaps you express express your position through a Patreon donation to Eric?
I wish Eric would speak more. He's such a fascinating character.
Yea he should speak about Israels influence on US politics :)
It takes multiple videos to start to see the real wisdom of the man
I wish he would run for President.
He now has a podcast called "The Portal". It's very good.
Gay much?
I don't know what papa and mama weinstein did, but they did good.
Octopus On Fire yoho mibee (accent) he does have a qwair hair doo.
It was a grandad. I've seen him talk about it once. Maybe him and his brother with Rubin.
Psst...they had sex.
They were basically raised in a commune with hands-on tutoring in scientific method which allowed them to develop comprehensive, critical thought very early on. They were parented well, basically, and trained in mathematics and in the sciences, if I remember correctly.
You never hear about the third Weinstein brother. Because he’s on the run. For murder.
Eric is a great thinker. He analyzes very complex issues and explains them in an understandable way, without making them simplistic. He is spot on in this interview. I loved listening to his well articulated thoughts. I think the IDW is an essential guide for leading the western societies out of the total lunacy we are now in.
IDW job is to pacify people who are rightly PISSED about government corruption, mass immigration, destruction of culture etc. People are justifiably angry, and these douchebags are like "o dun worry the IDW is working on it bruh everything is fine". Meanwhile they do nothing but intellectually circle-jerk each other. Surely IDW will save us! Oh, lets not forget every one of these guys seems to be a Zionist.. o_O
@@retiredshitposter1062 The IDW, and many of us who support this group, are doing what we can with what we have to make a positive impact with as many people as possible. This kind of difference is difficult to quantify without proper surveying and statistical methods, but I know that they've changed MY viewpoints on things to have a much more honest, encompassing perspective on issues. By contrast, what the fuck are YOU doing? It's easy to sit and say that someone else isn't doing anything, and then doing nothing yourself.
@@Nirvana7734 He talks about HOW a conversation is supposed to feel like and look like. This type of convereation resonates in genuinity and mutual respect.
He identifies disingenuous media "fake" right and left, which, today April 1st, 2020 is unfortunately playing out catastrophically. Game theory...fml
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Eric Weinstein is the "adult in the room" we need.
This is by far the most level headed and fair diagnosis of current politics and culture I've heard to date.
"identity is much cheaper than labour" - wow, your wife is absolutely right Eric. Get her on Rubin!
She was.
@@SIMPalaxy When?
Yep, that is really profound - what a woman
@@robbie_ lmk if you get a response I'd love to hear her
@@robbie_ I believe the Eric's wife is Pia Melaney; you can search for The Rubin Report episode with her on TH-cam, which occurred in 2017, I believe.
Eric Weinstein is IMHO the most brilliant of everyone in the IDW (with the exception of Camille Paglia). He is ahead of Peterson in his ability to quickly jump back to the general, whereas Peterson gets stuck in crevasses for long periods of time. He is more acute in syllogism and more centered in his logical predicates than Sam Harris, who also gets lost in crevasses at times. Weinstein has a fractal conception of the conversation at all times at a high level of acuity, constantly able to jump between the levels without any emotional investment in staying on the particular.
He is also more compassionate and nuanced in his demeanor than either Peterson or Harris, and therefore the most ideal evangelist for these ideas to the wider world.
I believe Weinstein, in his critique of and anatomizing of our mainstream media, is the Marshall McLuhan of our age -- and needs a rapid promotion to far more public recognition, given his high cogency on all questions before him.
A Paglia-Weinstein sit down would be fabulous.
I love Eric but I don't like to compare them in terms of who is better or worse. They all have different minds which allows them to view the conversations with different lenses. It is the collection of these different minds with different views that makes the IDW so great.
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True and what a fine constellation of minds... Can you imagine for even one minute turning on Fox or CNN and seeing such a high-level discussion? Good lord TV militates against any signs of intellection whatsoever... Even when someone from the IDW makes a rare appearance, the interviewer is usually their square root.
Well said Spiritual Politics! Totally agree. And you can tell Eric really enjoys language and his brilliant mastery of it.
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Yes he has a very rare mind that can pursue high-level math but also speak with such acuity. If you checkout some of his math interviews, they are similarly phenomenal.
i fully agree
Leaving Pennsylvania to go home to North Carolina for a few weeks. I won't have signal for most of the 8hr drive, but have already downloaded this to enjoy. Thanks guys, keep up the great work!
How do you download it?
TH-cam red.. Totally worth it.
"institutions are terrified of independent thinkers" - so many gemstones in this interview.
Indeed.
Fake choices
Comparison of IDW online conversations to samizdat very apt -- literally gave me goosebumps. Perhaps a little chilling to realize how fragile our access to one another's insight and sanity actually is, in the wired/wireless world.... Glad you all out there!
Thank you Rebel Wisdom for a another great interview. I’m a very conservative Trump supporter and I enjoyed listening to his opinions very much. It’s so refreshing to hear people talk who can think. By the way, where can I get one of your shirts or hats? Great logo work.
David - Rebel Wisdom - this is your best interview, so far. Even including your great J.P. talks.
This takes us to the core of the IDW and why this is the only movement that gives any hope for the future of politics and societal development.
Conservative lobster checking in. EW is by far my favorite liberal. Love listening to his wisdom and insight.
WOW! Thank you very much for this intelligent conversation. I am flabbergasted by how many points the talk was able to verbalized with, in my opinion, complete accuracy. Very refreshing. BRAVO.
The Dinner Party Analogy is GOLD Eric!!! It's time for more science, tech, engineering, ethics, and design leadership in governance to handle the XTECH revolution!!! Thanks David & Rebel Wisdom for the great work, keep it up everyone!! Bringing nuance and equanimity back to the global dialogue!! :D
IDW, "it was never dark"
So many groups misunderstand this. It was never evil, bad, nefarious. It was always about being a lone voice in the wilderness of 'social wilderness'.
I would have shabbat dinner with Eric every Friday if I could. He's so erudite, fresh, and joyful.
I like Eric.
IDWatch any conversation with Eric :)
That's a great tagline for the production IDWatch! Maybe this could be the very first platform to contend with the leftist FB and twitter? Which also respects all opinions and free speech!
Puntastic!
This is so clarifying! Thank you., so much! I have been very afraid of sharing my revised views with many of my friends. Thank God for the Eric & Brett Weinstein, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Heather Heying, Dave Rubin, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and many more, who are demonstrating the integrity of true conversation, centering and grounding in the love of truth.
Thank you guys so much. (IDW) I thought i might be going crazy for a long time.
Is not only a national but a worldwide issue, thanks IDW. Love from Buenos Aires
More videos like this please. Eric Weinstein's view of the world i identify with more than others. No matter the discussion he remains objective.
Lets hear him talk about Israels influence on US politics. I want to watch as objective truth disappears and he becomes just another shill.
Retired Shitposter MODSMODSMODSMODS
My family, two daughters and I, have been loving this IDW movement for the last two years. Please may it continue. The long form live debates have just been just wonderful. We attended two events with Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris and Douglas Murray and one with Jonothan Haidt. And the long form online debates are like a form of intellectual nutrition. We need this like we need food and water and shelter. I was stifled for ten years in my job, where to speak out was to be sent for re-programming training, which if it did not 'work' would have led to my dismissal. So I kept silent. I simply could not have put my income in jeopardy as I was supporting two children through college and university. And I was in a low income job as a carer. Thank you for speaking out where I could not. I can't explain how liberating it has been for my adult children. Thank you so much.
Fantastic interview.
Jordan P. Is the most public facing figure of the IDW. He is The person the media like to try and knock down albeit unsuccessfully. I would like Eric to step up into the limelight and take on the media. His message resonates easily with all of us. He can knock down these walls and tip the scales back towards sanity. We need to politely give him a nudge forward and show our support when he does so.
Be aware that not everyone like to be in the limelight; some might prefer a more clam life but speak on platform like this rather than the shitstrom mainstream media.
Thank you. Where have you guys been all this time. Think I can start making a road to sanity again.
People should start their own local news outlets on youtube.
They do... and when they do they all essentially become part of the 'Google News Inc.' conglomerate, of course.
The beauty of the IDW is that those of the left and those of the right and those of the in between can all meet and discuss ideas and each both teach and learn from each other with grace and comity. It's a wonderful thing to see/hear and learn from. Thank you all for participating.
Great content here. The editing was strange, but I absolutely enjoy Eric’s manner of explanation
Such an impressive speaker, good sense that cuts across political boundaries.
I can't get enough of the Weinstein brothers! Thank (the metaphorical) God for them and for the long-form discussion format.
I absolutely loved this conversation.
I don't always agree with Eric, I am a conservative, but I really like him, and he is doing an important job in favor of free public discourse (among other things).
A fair minded and interesting man....so open to ideas and measured in his responses.....great conversation....
"This would be offensive to an intelligent 5 - year - old."
And I believe that Eric is absolutely right that it shouldn't be political. It's that people have been starved of what would normally be a moral conversation and those people, including myself, have sat by and watched everything become political where in as it should not be. The more we try to unpoliticize, if you will, the more the opposition tends to politicize these moral conversations. Thus taking away your ability or trying to take away your ability to think. I sure hope that the IDW keeps on and on and on until they can't no more and I really do appreciate what you're doing here with Rebel Wisdom, if there was ever a time that events like this should take place it is definitely at this moment! Ty good sir!
Great discussion. Eric is a brilliant man.
I have been battling these systems in the arts since the mid 1980's. Thankyou, I was always driven out for indi thinking and observations, I backed my words with actions and was driven out for doing so, Now I know that I was never "Mad" after all!
Eric is awesome. He is finally getting people to use the word "marketeer" as a trade creature, separate from capitalist which is a producer. He used the word mercantile....sniff...sniff...so happy...
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Wow. Eric and David... thank you. What a fantastic conversation about the current state of discourse.
Good stuff!
These IDW interviews are great. Though I have to say, I was very distracted by the fact that you were holding a pencil. Do people still use those? ;-)
Yes being able to use a pencil to write things down is an valuable skill to have.
I agree With JP and Ben Shapiro on far more topics. But enjoy listening to Brett and Eric way more at this point, or even better when they all talk together, the Rogan show with Jordan and Brett on was gold. Eric and Yaron Brooks talk was also brilliant, taking on a real fire tested worldview like objectivism is really difficult because it has logical tenants for every situation, but Eric did a wonderful job highlighting his concerns and making pragmatic nuanced criticism. It's like he said, it's the respect for the conversation that counts.
Great talk, thank goodness for Eric Weinstein and many thanks REBEL WISDOM
This a great interview 😇😇😇
Yes! Finally Eric is on. Love that man the most.
12:34 I think the first order of business is to agree on a set of common principles -- then strategy / policy, finally specific initiatives. . .
One tactical manifestation of mainstream media's 'keepaway ball' strategy is the steady closing down of reader response forums. Encouraging readers to participate in dialogues which cede them some input into journalistic narratives (that editorial boards nevertheless expected to control) turned out to be a short-lived experiment for many news platforms, MSN included.
'Toxic' comments by supposed racists and trolls is the excuse generally given for depriving readers of this means of making their reactions to stories known. The real flies in the ointment, though, may have been reader comments discerning enough to undermine editorial pretensions and the premises on which the stories were so often based. One suspects re-seizing control of the narrative was mainstream media's primary concern, the pretexts being important only to the extent they could be spun as compatible with that narrative.
Sadly, the discovery that readers aren't so easily directed, and are more resistant to propagandistic journalism than presumed, doesn't seem to have led to any re-thinking by editorial boards.
A most inspiring and insightful interview
Eric. I really enjoy your discussions. More please
I guess my first question is, how do you become balanced? Even when you are condition to think one way. I often times I struggle with this balance because it interferes with my ideologies in self development
I am probably right of center, but Eric is just so good.
Here we go. Eric is great, I'm super excited.
First time listening to this thinker. Was very impressed.Thank you.
14:50 - hit the nail on the head
Eric Weinstein is incredibly brilliant. His insight is invaluable on many subject that are paramount for our society to stabilize. Hope to hear a lot more of him in 2019.
What does that mean in English?
@@adrian-qr6zk I am unsure of what you want me to explain here... But in short... 4 years ago what i meant is that for our society to stabilize politically and ideologically. Ideas and concept must be discussed and understood between parties who disagree and both see a side of the medal the other cannot. All so we uncover has much of the truth has possible before taking action. In short we have to act with knowledge, respect and wisdom.
The IDW needs to start publishing content big-time!
Really refreshing to have such a different vantage point.
I found this guy by accident while searching for Bret content some few months ago, and now Im a total and absolute fan of this guy. He's the absolute unit of eruditeness.
I love Eric. Would love to chat with him for a couple of hours.
I'm a little gay for Eric tbh
GTF outa here
Spot on man, Eric perfectly verbalizes what's going on today like no one else.
"Broadly unacceptable to institutions" --- Love that quote.
From UK history, we had many fights between Protestant and Catholic religions. These continual changes has massive impacts on the country. In the same way I see polar divides which are increasing. We celebrate the extremes which is also reflected in U.K. politics. Because we are not moving forward, we can only further separate with these ideas / issues. I just fail to see the benefit by fostering this current direction, the U.K. economy is continual being hammer as a result.
Damn, this is going to be another great video with this genius. Only 30 seconds in...
"Trying to position the group so that it doesn't get torpedoed by the usual mechanisms by which hopeful things are removed from public discussion, like the IDW."
This is so intriguing! I have suspected from time to time that mechanisms like this exist. I would love to know more about this, so if one of you commenters happens to know a source, please let me know.
Andrew Yang is the best option for 2020, He is the only one with brains that is not trying to play identity politics! He isn't trying to move Right or Left, he is trying to move forward!
Great final question.. Where does the IDW go in the future?
I want to see Eric Weinstein and Camille Paglia in conversation. Just the two.
I love all these guys. They have definitely changed my mind on a lot of issues. The main problem is that we, as a society, simply can’t have basic discussions on so many issues anymore. I’m liberal in some things and conservative on others and when you mention that people ask me how I can be that way? It’s like we have to be corralled into one camp or the other. College was the place where different ideas came together and we could all figure this stuff out together but now it’s just insane on a lot of campuses.
I think Eric is the best logician of the lot. Fantastic work here.
The IDW is the best idea to emerge in quite a while. More power to spreading the power of free speech and real, honest debate. Many of us are watching and listening.
Kudos
Always great when someone interviews Eric because he
NEVER PUTS OUT CONTENT ON HIS CHANNEL! Come on dude, we’re starving out here. You have a life or something? They’re overrated. What can be done to convince you to became a basement dwelling TH-camr? Or just do more interviews.
Right? Almost every day I TH-cam search "Eric Weinstein" and set upload date of results to "This week" or "Today" to see if he has appeared anywhere.
Tens of thousands of followers...
Four videos. 😂
It's a dark era when real thinking and genuine civil discourse can no longer occur in out in the open.
I would like to see more analysis by Eric in terms of the 4 quadrant chart featuring "troglodytes" and "rent seekers". He first talked about it the first time he went on Sam Harris's podcast.
He also went into this on rubins show
Austrian economics does not pretend that markets are always right. Have you read liberalism by Ludwig von mises?
The mort important siblings of our time. Brilliant.
Eric would seem more comfortable with a pencil behind his ear, for defense purposes only.
Lol please tell me that's a joke because that was hella funny
I admit it, I actually have a man-crush on Eric Weinstein. He goes to the proper level of meta-analysis in just about every topic he touches.
Such an interesting thinker. I truly enjoyed this. Thanks man!
Eric Weinstein is truly one of the greats. Love that guy.
I think his observation of a defining factor of IDW speakers being disagreeable is probably right. Another thing I'd say applies to many of them, as well as us as the audience they attract, is being high in openness. We like to consider new perspectives and ideas that we might not even agree with, but still think are worth engaging in.
Eric Weinstein is one of the finest thinkers around. I watched him, Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro have a one hour conversation in a TH-cam feature. It convinced me that I'm a chimp with power steering.
I just discovered Eric and wish I had earlier. His reasoning abilities are impressive and opens my mind
That "suicide bombers of ideas" comment was so spot on. I never thought about it like that but man, it hits the nail on the head!
36:00 - business models and work arounds
In 21:25... is growth REALLY what's missing or is it the DISTRIBUTION that growth brought?
When is Weinstein going to make his podcast already, I'm ready to stare at some mathematics/physics in the form of moving images
The biblical account of Daniel in Babylon maps well onto the 1 person in 100 who won't salute a flag.
6:30 Boarders matter as much as cells exist inside our body, they represent an existence that is different and by having these different existences we get to have complex forms that operate differently like a heart does to a liver to provide different outcomes however nuanced to make the over arching organism healthy. You can’t break down all boarders or you have an unruly singular cell organism.
I just love it when he praises his wife for her ideas when he expresses them.
I'm puzzled by RW's inclusion of Ben Affleck in the IDW. Can anyone clarify?
15:00 Is Eric basically saying that if you want to have a serious conversation about how to improve government, don't invite a small-government libertarian? Because I've always found that the implicit equation that improve equals shrink, inimical to the "improve" half of the dialogue.
Please write a book Eric!
25:00 Erik's anti-institutional bias could be right and it could be wrong. I'm afraid that if I scratched this idea, Ayn Rand would poke out. If that's that Erik means by "anti-institutional" then we're _not_ on the same page.
What Eric calls "keep-away ball" is usually called "piggy in the middle" here.
Is it actually called keep away ball in the us? or did Eric just blank on the word in that particular moment?
Two Weinstein's back to back? Yep, now I turn on notifications. :D
Jordan Peterson and David Graeber would be a great conversation.
Eric is as well known to us as the other names dropped at the start, for sure!
I'm quite amused by commenters lamenting that people from this network are making DEBUT appearances on more channels and not furthering the conversation from "the same commentary". This same commentary is what caught you like it is catching others via new channels.
Could someone tell me what the significance/rationale of the word "dark" is in "intellectual dark web"?