Being in manufacturing business for over 30 years I can understand the pace that BRP is at. To me the Skidoo 850 is superior to the Polaris 850 in longevity and gas mileage. I also believe it can handle a turbo for the trail guys. Definitely should offer it! My biggest issue is the cost for me. That doesn't mean they shouldn't offer it but I'll never be able to get one anyways. Trails are pretty twisty around here too to enjoy that kind of power. Guys with 600's keep up all day long but the 4 stroke Guys struggle with the weight. Nice sled! Enjoy it!
Talking about engine vibration when I started my friends Polaris 900R I was shocked how much vibration there was in the handlebars. 6.4 miles from starting out the crankshaft broke.
Beautiful sled! I love my ‘19 Renegade XRS 850. As you know the 2 strokers vibrate at idle, but they are silky smooth from engagement to 8k. Regarding HP and top speed, if you bought this to win the lake, you bought the wrong sled. But in the twisties, corner to corner, they are hard to beat. Calculate the horsepower to weight on the XRS vs. your Mach Z and you’ll see your going to do pretty well up to 100mph. It is an awesome all around sled - and beautiful too!
I got my gen 5 in Dec just came back from Mt valin quebec . This platform is outstanding engine still has a slight vibration but fuel milage is great, hardwarmers are outstanding and the headlights are finally great . Can't complain either than winters in ontario suck now
Nice sled Brother. Ski doo needs a turbo trail sled and that’s the platform I can see it in. No snow here in cape Breton either. Thanks for the walk around. 👍👍👍💪💪
Mike glad to here someone tell the truth. I love the sled and just bought it last week. I ride alot in UP)MI Houghton/Gran Maris MI no snow so i may have to wait till next year. May try rap tour! What are your thoughts on that. Thanks bro
I’ve never tried the wrap tour on the bucket list for sure. I rode the raft tour maybe for a day, but never actually did around the park and everyone says good things about it. Thanks for leaving a comment. Hope it snows at least one big storm, before the seasons up.
🔥very nice sled, really like the colours, happy for ya man.. I got a feeling next 2 yrs the 850 turbo trail sleds will show up, now that they have proven it works on mountain setups, with dif ecm setup for fuel and turbo psi. I ride Ktm 450 and yes they sure do update engine setup seems every 2-3 years eh. But the yz 250 lol been same since early 2000’s🔥👊🔥🔨🏍⚙️🚜
yes for sure there going to bring a 850 turbo there taking there sweet time yes those 250s from early 2000s but they are not really competetive thanks for the comment buddy 👍
Nice sled, I’m sure you will see a turbo 850 trail next winter, that vibration is engineered into the clutch with a .020” wobble for balance , even the 900turbo has it for whatever reason
Yeah, I know we’re going to see a terrible sooner or later probably next year like you say, but I was hoping to be coming out little sooner and I don’t know what the vibration came from the clutch. Thanks for the info I was thinking crank would have to be a little more balanced.👍
Yes, they introduced it in the end of 2016 for 2017 that’s seven years and they’ve had it for many many more more than 10 and the mountain sleds those turbos don’t really give the mountain sleds more power they just compensate for the loss of power up at high elevations so they’re not really working the way they should. Thanks for the comment.👍
Guys are reporting that the G5 seems to have a bit more jam. Thinking that maybe BRP did some re-mapping of the ECU. Let us know your thoughts once you get it out on the trails.
If you wanted a turbo so bad, why not buy a Polaris then? I don’t see the point in buying the same thing then complaining it’s the same thing… but that’s just me. 👍🏻
yes your right but i wanted gen5 i was looking at the boost didnt like the gage and style not complaining i dont think just giving my true thoughts on the etec thanks for coment🤙
My 600r vibrates to. I figure it's something to do with the etec ? The etec engine is amazing . If it ain't broke don't fix it. IMO lol ! Beauty sled enjoy it. I wish the new gauge was a true GPS. I think that will come out next year. Any snow up your way ?
@Mike Guliz I thought you were talking about the 850 etec alone, not the etec in general. What other 2 stroke technology is out there that is better then that?
@@brucestewart78 well I kind of was and they have been working on the 850 for 10 years now like they started off 10 years ago on the 850. It’s been a long time to even though it’s been in the sleds for seven years they started on that engine 10 years ago but the E tech technology is pretty much even the 808 50 they’re pretty much the same except for an extra 50 cc I don’t give me wrong skidoo has pretty good technology they kind of have it moved on. I was expecting them to move on from here with the 2strokes.
I'm not sure about that proven 850 etec comment,lots of issues with them here on the East Coast. It's either they last or you are looking at a new engine under 5000miles
That’s fair but I’ve never had any issues and I’ve had friends that to bring them to about 19 20,000 km which is about 14 15,000 miles with no issues thanks for the comment.👍
Summary of the video so you don't have to watch 16 minutes of nothing: "yeah guys i like it it looks good love it. 850 etec good engine no question about it been out for a while though no turbo i wish it had a turbo but freaking love it cant wait to ride it"
Worst thing you can do to a new sled thats still on breakin is keep starting it and letting it idle over and over especially if not brought to full temp. Id quite doing that. Your doing nothing good by doing that. Amature move bud. My lynx rave with 850 etech leads the pack constantly its all about the rider the 850 has plenty of power more than most will ever use. First person ive ever heard bitch about the 850 or that its slow. Its not a turbo bud if you wanted a turbo thrn shoulda boiught one.
im have a turbo wish it had the speed of the turbo with its handling would be a killer but 850 etec are out dated BRP needs up date every one is pulling away in power
@@mikeguliz i disagree. My lynx with the 850etech beats polaris 850s all day. 850 isva great engine. And definitely not slow. Not the fastest compared to turbo but for the 850 class its a top dog. You cant compare an 850 etech to a turbo two different engines.
No the mountain sleds 850 E tech have a turbo they just don’t put a turbo onto the trail sleds and the links is geared up a little different than the skidoos. I know they’re the same machine but they’re a little bit different and Polaris 850 have a little bit more horsepower than the 850 E tech. Your links is probably quicker low to mid range but drops out on top. That’s because you’re geared with a lower gear but the Polaris 850 beach the skidoo 850 on the lake and they will bring a turbo to the 850 they’re just taking their sweet time.
Well, Yamaha and arctic cat are probably the leaders in the 4strokes with the 998 engine they moved away from the 2strokes, but therefore strokes are probably one of the best so they’re still keeping up with motor four stroke engines for sure and BRP claims to be the leader They’re not leading in for stroke or two-stroke thanks for the comment
Yeah, I came in the sleds in 2017 They designed it right after the 800 about two or three years after the 808 tattoo mall so they’ve been using it in the sleds for 67 years but they’ve had it for at least 10
The BRP has a turbo model why didn't you buy it it adds another 20 hp up to 185hp Arctic cat turbo is only 177 hp. If you want more power build it yourself been building 200+ sleds forever they ain't for morons to just buy you gotta build it don't think your smart enough want to go faster lose about 100lbs you won't beat anybody when your 100lbs heavier than they are 😅👍
@Randy Young I've always had the fastest sleds they make . Also have a 340 hp 1100 turbo amazing sled just a tad bit heavy in tight trails . I enjoy trails more than straight lines
The 1000 cc is a challenge as proved in the 05-07 Mach z with the cranks and balance issues. I agree they need to do something but I don’t think you’ll see a 1000cc 2 stroke again. Especially when my 1000 motor has at least 20 lbs on the 850.
@@mathewstephenson8433 I don't see it a problem if done right. Zr 900 were very reliable, that's 20 years ago. There's 850s and 900s out now that are reliable. There were many issues with the 1000 Mach, but many did put on alot of miles
I'm 64 years old always a scooter guy except for the last 8 years I discovered Yamaha. No matter what year and model you buy if it's in decent shape it will last a very long time.
Glad you finally got your new ride! I got mine a few weeks ago. Now we need snow!
Yeah, I don’t know what’s going on this year
Being in manufacturing business for over 30 years I can understand the pace that BRP is at. To me the Skidoo 850 is superior to the Polaris 850 in longevity and gas mileage. I also believe it can handle a turbo for the trail guys. Definitely should offer it! My biggest issue is the cost for me. That doesn't mean they shouldn't offer it but I'll never be able to get one anyways. Trails are pretty twisty around here too to enjoy that kind of power. Guys with 600's keep up all day long but the 4 stroke Guys struggle with the weight. Nice sled! Enjoy it!
Yes, I got a Four stroke They are heavy. That’s why I was looking forward to BRP to put A turbo in the two-stroke, but maybe Soon
Not to mention resale value.
Talking about engine vibration when I started my friends Polaris 900R I was shocked how much vibration there was in the handlebars. 6.4 miles from starting out the crankshaft broke.
probably something wrong with it
Beautiful sled! I love my ‘19 Renegade XRS 850. As you know the 2 strokers vibrate at idle, but they are silky smooth from engagement to 8k. Regarding HP and top speed, if you bought this to win the lake, you bought the wrong sled. But in the twisties, corner to corner, they are hard to beat. Calculate the horsepower to weight on the XRS vs. your Mach Z and you’ll see your going to do pretty well up to 100mph. It is an awesome all around sled - and beautiful too!
absolutely great sled just wish had turbo with its great handling thanks for the comment👍
I got my gen 5 in Dec just came back from Mt valin quebec . This platform is outstanding engine still has a slight vibration but fuel milage is great, hardwarmers are outstanding and the headlights are finally great . Can't complain either than winters in ontario suck now
yes im looking forward to riding looks like were going to be casing snow this year
Beautiful looking snowmobile for sure!
Congrats buddy !! Gotta love that color. 👍🏼 BRP makes a great sled. I'll need a much taller windshield and mirrors Mike. 😂
I don’t even think they have windshield in stock anymore. Probably got a little while.
For the gen5
Nice sled Brother. Ski doo needs a turbo trail sled and that’s the platform I can see it in. No snow here in cape Breton either.
Thanks for the walk around. 👍👍👍💪💪
Thanks buddy 🤙
Absolutely and they gotta get rid of that shake Thanks for keeping real bro
Thanks for the comment 👍
Just came back from Mt valin now going to cocraine and timmins Feb Can't wait
Cochrane is great riding ride safe🤙
Mike glad to here someone tell the truth. I love the sled and just bought it last week. I ride alot in UP)MI Houghton/Gran Maris MI no snow so i may have to wait till next year. May try rap tour! What are your thoughts on that. Thanks bro
I’ve never tried the wrap tour on the bucket list for sure. I rode the raft tour maybe for a day, but never actually did around the park and everyone says good things about it. Thanks for leaving a comment. Hope it snows at least one big storm, before the seasons up.
What a beast! Color combo is on point!
Yeah, I think it’s awesome. Thanks Charily for the comment.
Looking good Mike…Enjoy!
thanks rob👍
That thing looks bad ass 😎
🔥very nice sled, really like the colours, happy for ya man.. I got a feeling next 2 yrs the 850 turbo trail sleds will show up, now that they have proven it works on mountain setups, with dif ecm setup for fuel and turbo psi. I ride Ktm 450 and yes they sure do update engine setup seems every 2-3 years eh. But the yz 250 lol been same since early 2000’s🔥👊🔥🔨🏍⚙️🚜
yes for sure there going to bring a 850 turbo there taking there sweet time yes those 250s from early 2000s but they are not really competetive thanks for the comment buddy 👍
Np at all, enjoy your videos
By than it's too late . They need to come out with a 1000cc turbo 2 stroke . That can hit atleast 200kph
@@krisi.2011 yeah now you’re talking that’s what I’m saying👍
Nice sled, I’m sure you will see a turbo 850 trail next winter, that vibration is engineered into the clutch with a .020” wobble for balance , even the 900turbo has it for whatever reason
Yeah, I know we’re going to see a terrible sooner or later probably next year like you say, but I was hoping to be coming out little sooner and I don’t know what the vibration came from the clutch. Thanks for the info I was thinking crank would have to be a little more balanced.👍
Congrats on that beutifull new renegade Mike Maybe we will see a turbo for next season
I hope so, but they should’ve brought it out with the new GEN five I think anyway but thanks for the comment
Good looking sled man. I'm going to wait until they put the turboR motor in it. Turbo turbo turbo
thank yes cant wait for the 900r👍
850 has only been in sleds for 5 years. And brp puts turbos on freerides and summits.
Yes, they introduced it in the end of 2016 for 2017 that’s seven years and they’ve had it for many many more more than 10 and the mountain sleds those turbos don’t really give the mountain sleds more power they just compensate for the loss of power up at high elevations so they’re not really working the way they should. Thanks for the comment.👍
Looks good Mike I’m going to love mine too but they will turbo it as you know BRP won’t let anybody cut their grass
Yeah, I know but they’re taking their sweet time
Brp used to lead that's the issue
@@krisi.2011 yes when the 850 came out, they used to lead, but they let it slip
Guys are reporting that the G5 seems to have a bit more jam. Thinking that maybe BRP did some re-mapping of the ECU. Let us know your thoughts once you get it out on the trails.
Yeah, for sure I’ll let you guys know👍
Nice gen5 bro
If you wanted a turbo so bad, why not buy a Polaris then? I don’t see the point in buying the same thing then complaining it’s the same thing… but that’s just me. 👍🏻
yes your right but i wanted gen5 i was looking at the boost didnt like the gage and style not complaining i dont think just giving my true thoughts on the etec thanks for coment🤙
My 600r vibrates to. I figure it's something to do with the etec ? The etec engine is amazing . If it ain't broke don't fix it. IMO lol ! Beauty sled enjoy it. I wish the new gauge was a true GPS. I think that will come out next year. Any snow up your way ?
Thanks Mark we had some good snow but it melted and it’s freezing right now so we should be getting snow by the end of the week👍
Hey glad you got the new sled looks great..the vibrations are definitely reduced when riding. You will feel the difference on the footboards
What did the 850 E-Tec motor come in that was 10 years ago?
the etec came in the 2010 800 then went to 850 etec in 2017 but they bought that technology of evenrude in the 70s been around a long time
@Mike Guliz I thought you were talking about the 850 etec alone, not the etec in general. What other 2 stroke technology is out there that is better then that?
@@brucestewart78 well I kind of was and they have been working on the 850 for 10 years now like they started off 10 years ago on the 850. It’s been a long time to even though it’s been in the sleds for seven years they started on that engine 10 years ago but the E tech technology is pretty much even the 808 50 they’re pretty much the same except for an extra 50 cc I don’t give me wrong skidoo has pretty good technology they kind of have it moved on. I was expecting them to move on from here with the 2strokes.
Never a 850 again before they fix the vibrations...
It’ll probably be a while
Ya sleds are different, dirtbikes season and market is huge compared to sleds. They gotta sell xxx units to recover the engineering and RD
My pl
Mike would you consider a Lynx?
Yeah, I was thinking of getting a lynx not four stroke Lynx if I get a lynx, it will be two-stroke
I'm not sure about that proven 850 etec comment,lots of issues with them here on the East Coast. It's either they last or you are looking at a new engine under 5000miles
That’s fair but I’ve never had any issues and I’ve had friends that to bring them to about 19 20,000 km which is about 14 15,000 miles with no issues thanks for the comment.👍
@@mikeguliz that's good to hear
Summary of the video so you don't have to watch 16 minutes of nothing: "yeah guys i like it it looks good love it. 850 etec good engine no question about it been out for a while though no turbo i wish it had a turbo but freaking love it cant wait to ride it"
Worst thing you can do to a new sled thats still on breakin is keep starting it and letting it idle over and over especially if not brought to full temp. Id quite doing that. Your doing nothing good by doing that. Amature move bud. My lynx rave with 850 etech leads the pack constantly its all about the rider the 850 has plenty of power more than most will ever use. First person ive ever heard bitch about the 850 or that its slow. Its not a turbo bud if you wanted a turbo thrn shoulda boiught one.
im have a turbo wish it had the speed of the turbo with its handling would be a killer but 850 etec are out dated BRP needs up date every one is pulling away in power
@@mikeguliz i disagree. My lynx with the 850etech beats polaris 850s all day. 850 isva great engine. And definitely not slow. Not the fastest compared to turbo but for the 850 class its a top dog. You cant compare an 850 etech to a turbo two different engines.
No the mountain sleds 850 E tech have a turbo they just don’t put a turbo onto the trail sleds and the links is geared up a little different than the skidoos. I know they’re the same machine but they’re a little bit different and Polaris 850 have a little bit more horsepower than the 850 E tech. Your links is probably quicker low to mid range but drops out on top. That’s because you’re geared with a lower gear but the Polaris 850 beach the skidoo 850 on the lake and they will bring a turbo to the 850 they’re just taking their sweet time.
Then dow’t look at Arctic cat they are way behind they still have there old 800s with a couple updates they dow’t even have 850 2 stroke’s yet
Well, Yamaha and arctic cat are probably the leaders in the 4strokes with the 998 engine they moved away from the 2strokes, but therefore strokes are probably one of the best so they’re still keeping up with motor four stroke engines for sure and BRP claims to be the leader They’re not leading in for stroke or two-stroke thanks for the comment
Brp need a true flag ship motor and sled like the mach z but the 900 turbo ace isn't a motor worthy for that name mach z
Do you know I read exactly with you sometimes I don’t know how BRP thinks or they just make the easier choices. I don’t know, but I agree with you.
You don't need smart shocks now that there only 3 clicks
going to try it see how it is i would of like 3 clicks easier for me im usually on top or hardest setting doto my wight
@Mike Guliz I get most set it and forget it . That's why I don't see a point in then and it save you probably 1k to 1500k
@@krisi.2011 yeah I’m like the same way I sat it and just leave it alone let my riding compensating for the suspension👍
850 etec is not 10 years old, it's came 2017
Yeah, I came in the sleds in 2017 They designed it right after the 800 about two or three years after the 808 tattoo mall so they’ve been using it in the sleds for 67 years but they’ve had it for at least 10
Actually Evinrude bought the technology off Johnson outboards who than was purchased by BRP😂😂It way older than 10 yrs old!!
@@youareright5431 oh, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.
Cost as much as a truck WTF 😒
Yes, they are getting very expensive. It’s getting crazy. Thanks for the comment.
too heavy
Maybe you’re right, but it would be nice to have that option
Brp needs a 1000cc two stroke without a doubt. There 850 cc is not that fast max 175kph that's not enough should atleast hit 200kph
The BRP has a turbo model why didn't you buy it it adds another 20 hp up to 185hp Arctic cat turbo is only 177 hp. If you want more power build it yourself been building 200+ sleds forever they ain't for morons to just buy you gotta build it don't think your smart enough want to go faster lose about 100lbs you won't beat anybody when your 100lbs heavier than they are 😅👍
@Randy Young I've always had the fastest sleds they make . Also have a 340 hp 1100 turbo amazing sled just a tad bit heavy in tight trails . I enjoy trails more than straight lines
The 1000 cc is a challenge as proved in the 05-07 Mach z with the cranks and balance issues. I agree they need to do something but I don’t think you’ll see a 1000cc 2 stroke again. Especially when my 1000 motor has at least 20 lbs on the 850.
@@randyyoung9892 Arctic cat/Yamaha turbo makes over 200
@@mathewstephenson8433 I don't see it a problem if done right. Zr 900 were very reliable, that's 20 years ago. There's 850s and 900s out now that are reliable. There were many issues with the 1000 Mach, but many did put on alot of miles
Your very wrong lol the etec is far ahead of the other brands
ETEC is from the 60s
Ethic actually came over 1957 pretty whole technology. Thanks for. The common.
I'm 64 years old always a scooter guy except for the last 8 years I discovered Yamaha. No matter what year and model you buy if it's in decent shape it will last a very long time.
Yeah for sure but the problem is I put on like 7000 km a year so every 2or 3years I prefer to switch them up