Zoom Privacy Concerns and The Open Source Alternative Jitsi Meet
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Thanks, Tom. When everyone began jumping on the zoom wagon, I immediately started to offer jitsi as an option in my company.
Finally someone showing Jitsi love!!!! Many years ago I setup their video bridge and onsite conference software that runs their free meet website. It worked so well even back then and was so easy to setup.
Before ZOOM had privacy issue reported on news around the globe, I started looking for FOSS as an alternative and deployed on my SGP VPS. Just yesterday I managed to setup the Jitsi-Meet and will promote very soon. Today I found your video which will help me refer to anyone to think over using the commercial products. Thank you so much for this useful review video.
Hey Lawrence, ever thought about the possibilities MiroTalk SFU brings to your virtual meetings?
While Jitsi has proven to be a reliable solution, MiroTalk SFU introduces innovative features that redefine your video conferencing experience, ensuring a seamless blend of familiarity and advanced capabilities.
I had no idea Jitsi was that easy. Jitsi is awesome!
I used jitsi meet sometimes but jitsi desktop is still my favorite application for video calling.
Nextcloud Video conference plugin works perfectly for us and it's free and 100% encrypted and you own the installation 😁
Yeah, until you get up to more than 6 participants. Because the A/V streams are send P2P and are being processed on the client computers. The only way to do it is to use nextclouds paid Signaling server.
never heard of this before. I really need to look into it more and see if we can make use of this at work instead of cisco. and maybe even compare it to MS Teams. especially if we can host it internally.
Also check out 3CX, if you want to host something by yourself. It's a phone system with webmeeting solution.
Thank you for the suggestion. I've done a quick test and it seems very simple to use. The other features (encryption, open source) make it a top app to dive into.
Jitsi is a good alternative I have it running in docker container using docker compose took a little bit of time to get it running the way I want but running on digital ocean droplet without much trouble.
Hip hip! I agree Jitsi ftw. I never liked Zoom when I used it. Just my 2c
Jitsi creates an immediate problem if, like me, you will not use Google on principle. Jitsi tells you on startup that you cannot expect the best experience if you do not use Chrome / Chromium as your browser. I think you would have been better to make that point clear upfront.
What about Nextcloud talk it pretty neat and mostly private on their own server at their company.
Hi Tom, just a week ago I tried to setup jitsi on a virtual root server. Indeed the install was pretty easy even with setting up LetsEncrypt certificates. Creating a conference was working but as soon a second person joined the connection crashed. I'd love to see you making a demo of the setup and maybe pointing out how to secure it properly. All the best from Germany.
In the Jitsi Community Forum there is thread for this problem. I posted a solution with the steps. Search for "Not working for more than 2 people in the room"
I tried the very same thing, it was kinda a nightmare to get it worked, but it's all about the required tcp and udp ports to be opened, the hostname in hosts file, and in my case also a config file about recycling tcp session, causing high cpu usage. Now it works great, i'm very happy about this software, and proud about my 2 GB ram vm hosting conferences for a dozen of users.
@@lbfelix258 Yes. But once you have the proper steps, it works like a charm. What I noticed is that many people do not read the logs when they have problems (maybe because many are do not have Linux experience) But many gave me their VPS credentials and I installed it for them using the same steps I used in my server. Then I saw some errors that they didn't notice, fixed it, ran the installation again and everything was working.
@@albercuba Yes, totally agree. The installation itself for me was intended to be also a linux training on the job and the server now is working perfectly.
@@albercuba I am really familiar with Linux and I do check the logfiles. But I never worked with the involved components before. How high can you hang the bar for the average user. IMHO a clean install based on packages supplied by the project should work 95% of the installs. Now upgrade to videobridge2 was published and broke a lot of stuff again. I do work a lot in the Linux community and contribute but can't do that in to many places.
Here is hoping you do a tutorial on setting this up with the self hosted version...
Or you just use their online version
Thx much for the Jitsi review - I stopped using Zoom last end of March in favor of Jitsi and have to say I love the simplicity! Also, Question for you and others here... On laptops or desktops, sign in to Jitsi is very simple and straight forward, but on cell phones, there appears to be the requirement to download the Jitsi App. Correct? I was hoping no downloads would be a part of the landscape at all... Thanks again and I will definitely continue to follow you!
Jitsi uses webRTC, which is not available on mobile devices. So we have to use mobileRTC which is why you have to download the app.
Yep, from the moment I saw they would put an app running on the task bar, without your consent, I knew I did not like it.
Thanks, Tom so very much.
First. Good job on video. Jitsi sounds cool, I'll check it out. On a side note, at 8:00 lets get real for a second if you personally did not encrypt your data, it should not be considered encrypted. If you are depending on a service to do the encryption you are just channeling Blanch DuBois, "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers".
Nice to see jitsi has gone from strength to strength, used to use it as a SIP client at a call centre years ago
Good observations....
Please do how to selfhosted it with let's encrypt 👍❤
Crosstalk solutions did a video today about how to set it up and have lets encrypt the video name is: How To: Install Jitsi Server
@@bf2142Fallensoul thank you so much 😊
I wonder if their free server will be able to handle the load if lots of zoom people jump ship for this service?
Doesn't jitsi indicate on their site that online version encrypts leaving host, decrypts on jitsi server the encrypts leaving their server to participants? Seems like unless you run your own jitsi server, it's insecure to.
Have you looked at BigBlueButton? I mean it's more education orented, but how does it compare to Jitsi?
Thank you sir, do you to the best of your knowledge, think it can be more private and secure than close code software out there?
ThinkPads, Debian/Pop, and opensource. Subbed!
Thanks for this Tom. Two questions:
1. Is the video/audio encrypted (E2E) ?
2. Have you looked into Matrix/Riot.im?
I think the biggest question to ask one's self about end-to-end-encryption is how the public keys of users are signed and transported across the public network. If Bob and Alice's public keys aren't signed by Ted, then MITM is very possible.
github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/wiki/Jitsi-Meet-Encryption
Matrix-Synapse without Jitsi integration does not allow for conferencing (More than 2 people). Only p2p
if it's 1-1, it's E2E. If there are more than 2 people, it's a hub and spoke encryption. which is less server intensive. but you still need to protect the server
Very nice alternative ! Thank's for sharing ;-)
But there's no optional desktop program and it only officially supports chrome and complains if I use Brave or Firefox.
Hey! Good to see Jitsi getting some love. :-)
If you do another video can you compare it to rocket chat + matrix for self hosting?
Is there a way to do 1:1 only meetings and/or waiting rooms with Jitsi?
We wanted to use jitsi as a safer alternative to Zoom, but for some reason or another, many people have troubles getting it to run on their laptops. Issues with not using the correct browser, issues getting the cam and/or mic activated... It's not as plug and play as it seems... Any hints?
Frederik De Buck Send them a PDF with pictures how to use Chrome
I thought the jitsi logo was a human stomach at first
Hi, could you please explain how to host my calls myself rather than rely on public servers? Thank you in advance
You need to setup a Jitsi server with your own hosting.
Hey Tom, thx for the tips!
Do you have an equivalent for simultaneous translation ? I have a client who's doing simultaneous translation, he's looking for away to doing thought video conference. The translator (the person, not an app) needs to be able to ear both parties and those parties should be able to ear only the translator.
I've always loved your work and this channel. I've always done my best to listen, you've changed my internet experience once I got my first pfSense up and running. I've been planing to run a private Jitsi server for my family, but I ran into a problem.
I have dynamic DNS from my ISP, I've created some self-signed certificates, I've installed Jitsi server, I did a NAT Port Forward with ports 80, 443, 4443 on tcp and 10000 on udp, but I keep getting private ip connections, Jitsi works perfectly locally but on the internet it fails on udp connections. If you ever find to install your own Jitsi server behind a pfSense and find a solutions to make it work, please share your experience, because I would really like to solve this. I mean other than a VPN to have the same ip range with the router, I can't find another solution.
Love you guys,
Thank you
Hi Tom,
I have looked into jitsi in the past to deploy a video conferring solution and I didn’t like the following:
1- by default when you host it it’s open anyone with the link is able to start a meeting, yes you can lock it but we were not able to find an easy way to link that lock to only allow our ldap users and creating 200+ users and passwords is a hassle
2- if I remember correctly the audio/video was not encrypted and that is a concern
Huge fan of your content wish you all the best
Check the Jitsi Community Forum. I posted a step by step guide on how to do this. I have it set up authenticating against Active Directory and only authenticated users can create rooms. After the room is created then guest users can join if they have the link and the password
Search for "LDAP authentication problems" in the Jitsi Community forum
Should be mentioned that Jitsi Messenger and Jitsi Meet have not much in common, technology wise.
If I had a sys admin who recommended zoom he would be fired on the spot. Good video 👍 zoom sends your video conference to the zuck
I created a Jitsi meet video conference and sent the joining link to participants but when they joined they were on Jitsi but not connected to me. Had to abandon it and revert to Zoom. Still haven't been able to find out what the issue could have been. Does anyone know? Can't find a step-by-step instruction anywhere.
Is no one going to talk about the fact this was uploaded on April 1st?
up to how many participants in the meeting?
It totally depends on the server running the meeting. If you use the public server meet.jit.si server, I think the hard limit is 75. But if you host your own server, you are only limited by the server and internet service performance.
How does privacy compare between Zoom and gotomeeting?
We tried the server install of Jitsi and already tuned some settings for better audio (I work in an audio postproduction), but we cannot fix the video quality on the receiver´s view. It´s always really bad, although we send HD! Sometimes it can be tuned by sharing the desktop temporarily and then going back to video. Does anyone know a fix for that?!
Zoom is end to end encrypted - it's just that there are ends you are not aware of.
I had nothing but problems with Zoom. The host would suspend a meeting for a break and when I rejoined there would be no audio and I could not get audio back.
I forced them to you an alternative and they chose Teams. I'm no fan of M$ but it did work much better than Zoom
hi Tom. Great video again. We use ZOOM for giving webinars/product demo's (stuff thats already on the internet). Could that be harmful for my company?
That should be fine.
Lawrence Systems / PC Pickup ok thanks for the quick reply!
I would also like to know how to set up a server on my Linux computer.
If you're concerned about privacy, why are you using Chrome as your web browser?
(Unfortunately, Jitsi only "officially" supports Chromium, but that is thankfully changing in a couple weeks.)
big blue button?
my apologies I'm unwilling to give you a thumbs up because I have been led to believe somehow Facebook tracks when thumbs up are given therefore that is something I no longer participate with nevertheless I do support your cause and I appreciate your information I also added your video this video to two of my public folders on my channel
JitSi-Ception at 5:20
thx good input!
Does FreePBX has a video call/conferencing feature?
Not sure about FreePBX, but 3CX has and I like the software.
But Jitsi lacks a lot of features like Remote Desktop Support ... I do agree Zoom seems to do some shady stuffs, but there arent another solution like it .. opensource or closed source ...
i simply don't understand how zoom is this popular ESPECIALLY for enterprise and business use. It seems like a fluke more than anything else, combined with just corporate decision makers being lazy: "oh i used this at home with my family cuz it was free, so...may as well use the same thing at work". Google meet, Skype, Cisco WebEx all have equivalent features (sometimes better) and are from long standing industry giants (at least partially subverting the whole "i don't know these guys" thing, especially since most companies would already have data with one of more of these companies like schools using google for work, or companies using microsoft for email and office365). The only advantage to zoom i can think of is personal use where you don't want to pay anything, and even there, if you're already on google/have a google account, why not use duo? (zoom has some extra features, but if you really need those then you're better off paying anyways).
tl;dr: encrypted multi-participant real-time high-definition video is Hard aF
The TechCrunch article specifically mentions that Jitsi is *not* e2e encrypted. And Jitsi's github page basically says as much:
> "Jitsi Meet uses a P2P mode when there are just 2 participants in a call…So what happens when there are more than 2 participants? Then the media gets routed through…our very own Jitsi Videobridge.…media is decrypted by the bridge and encrypted again when sending it out…"
Call that e2e if you want. To my eyes it's not much different than Zoom (or others). So Jitsi gets:
✅ FOSS
❌ End-to-end Encryption
If your #1 priority is privacy via encryption, then maybe internet video conferencing just isn't for you.
True, but if you host the server yourself, you limit a 2 party conversation to 2 parties instead of 3...
So since both products aren't perfect, basically, if you have to make a choice between the two you should just focus on the following:
1: Does the product suffer from a waterfall of recent security issues including leaking passwords, personal data, video and audio and other vulnerabilities?
2: Make your choice.
I host a server in my house and wasn't hard to setup even though it was the first web server I ever made. I personally avoid meet.jit.si because I have the same concerns as you.
You don't know what you're talking about. Video Bridge is a piece of software you have to install with Jitsi. So IS IN YOUR OWN SERVER. And you have total control over it. Comparing Jitsi Privacy and Security with Zoom is a JOKE!
You should really read a bit more before saying something like that.
1- If you host your own server then you also host the Videobridge service
2- Since Jitsi doesn't ask for any info about you, there is no personal data they can collect
3- The only data they collect is for debugging, maintance and further development. And you can see all that data if you use Chrome and go to chrome://webrtc-internals
4- They do not use the term "end-to-end encryption" but their communications are indeed encrypted. All the information that leaves a user's device is encrypted but WebRTC doesn't support end-to-end encryption (this is just a protocol fact, not a Jitsi problem) and that's why the do not use the term, just to not be misleading, but I repeat, all information leaving a user's device is encrypted
i simply don't understand how zoom is this popular ESPECIALLY for enterprise and business use. It seems like a fluke more than anything else, combined with just corporate decision makers being lazy: "oh i used this at home with my family cuz it was free, so...may as well use the same thing at work". Google meet, Skype, Cisco WebEx all have equivalent features (sometimes better) and are from long standing industry giants (at least partially subverting the whole "i don't know these guys, do i trust them with data" thing, especially since most companies would already have data with one of more of these companies like schools using google for work, or companies using microsoft for email and office365). The only advantage to zoom i can think of is personal use where you don't want to pay anything, and even there, if you're already on google/have a google account, why not use duo? (zoom has some extra features, but if you really need those then you're better off paying anyways).
Jitsi is not available for windows?
It's browser based, so it will work in Windows
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS ok. And is there opportunity to add unlimited adding person on video conferance call or limited?
Thank you. What about BigBlueBitton ¿ "-)
BigBlueButton is more oriented to Online Classes and not as easy to setup as Jitsi. Also Jitsi can be integrated with RocketChat and Matrix-Synapse
we use rainbow
What is the video resolution of jitsi like. Zoom has recently disabled HD resolution which makes it hard to share a camera pointing at a whiteboard.
You can choose the resolution up to FHD but off course it depends on the quality of your camera
My school makes us use zoom
Maybe you could suggest Jitsi instead? People listen when you add "Won't somebody think of the children?" Haha.
@@ArcangelZero7 I'm that annoying kid who is always telling IT how Linux would be better than Windows, they don't listen to me anymore.
Can I run a Jiti server on a Raspberry Pi 4?
probably too slow
@@LAWRENCESYSTEMS Thanks for the reply. I'm still interested in it an will keep investigating the resources required. Folks are using the Pi 4 as an RTMP server with an NGINX add-on, but maybe that takes less resources...
Do you have any thoughts on Ciscos WebEx meeting platform?
nope, I don't use it
The irony of using Google chrome to demonstrate Jitsi
Keeps people from yelling "It doesn't work with Chrome!" but it does. :)
2023 re up
Your videos should be classes for a college degree
great content thank You ! But .. please .. speak more slowly :) hard to understand it all as a foreigner !
Late reply, but I just wanted to share that TH-cam videos have a speed setting for playback. I know Tom talks rather fast so a 0.75x speed may help
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And on a non- 4/1 mind set: Thanks for the tip! A bit of caution when something like Zoom is suddenly everywhere is warranted.
Just use Skype.
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Skype doesn’t want people to use it for free.