How to play Grey Knights in 9th edition - Tips from 40k Playtesters
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- Learn the new tricks and tactics you will need to play Grey Knights in 9th edition from a team that has been playtesting the game for months. We take you through all the biggest nerfs and buffs to the Grey Knights army along with the core strategies and thoughts on list creation.
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Hi TT, I parked my landraider next to my two characters and 5 terminators for screening. My friend killed my landraider in one round of shooting, it exploded, killed 3 of my terminators, one of my characters. He was then able shoot my last character. My question is can I get a new friend?
Hire your friend to roll your dice.
🤣🤣🤣
Don't run land raiders
They're trash
@@Zach0451 Not everyone is like you and only care about winning.
@@MrLegendarySaiyan Who said I only care about winning?
At about 16:30 you mention the new Emergency Disembark strategem. Unfortunately, using that kills models on a 1 or 2, but gives them 6" to get out. Love the videos!
They've made this mistake in multiple battle reports. One of the drawbacks of the way TT does stuff is that they aren't focused on only a few factions, so they do miss a fair amount of stuff.
@@Nevets1073 I think since this video they've gotten it right. So many rules and interactions to learn! I wouldn't be surprised if during playtesting this was something different and Brian was remembering something different.
Can I just say you guys are really brave to do "How to play videos," and really just any 40k videos, with a community like the WH40k one. So thank you guys for making great content.
So a squad of 5 Paladins can only have 2 special weapons just fyi. You need the full unit of 10 to unlock 4 special weapons.
I'm pretty nervous about that: guys that called themself playtesters, giving advices with a lot of errors in rules interpretation. And Im curious how strong GW stick to their feedback (not TT personally, but betatesters in generally) on factions in terms of rebalancing things.
@@Strat0Patrick The problem with playtesting is that you end up testing multiple builds in fairly rapid succession, as well as - from multiple sources - getting some faction-oriented changes that may or may not be content at release. This means keeping everything straight is extremely difficult early on until you practice the new ed for a long time. For instance I know pro ITC players who still goof rules and revert them back to 3-7th ed rules and rulings when talking about and playing 8th sometimes. Some of these players are routine top 8's.
What is most important is remembering that during playtesting this new edition, for everyone, there was a much more limited scope for every group of playtester, with a checklist of rules to try and specific ways to start and run the game ongoing to get feedback that way in that scope so they can control variables properly
Where do you guys get this info. I'm new to this. Is there a Codex in particular?
The grey knights will forever be remembered as the Emperor's finest
Until they start getting primaris marines too... :'(
3rd finest, after the Custodes and way behind the Primarchs.
Alorand A Grey Knight has never fallen to Chaos. One could argue they are better than Primarchs. But Custodes are the Emperor’s favorite.
Cue the custodes
@@RepressedGeek
Oiled abs are canon for Custodes.
I really think dakka dreads will be included more often. Simply because they make ok-ish screens for your characters and if they use astral aim, you can get some really good mileage out of obscuring terrain while still providing a somewhat reliable screen for the character that has to stay behind to gate your bigger units out.
I would even consider running a regular dreadknight to double move 16" turn 1 through edict and a landraider to do fast objective grabbing, as a double landraider might be a bit too steep of an investment to achieve that.
I really enjoyed this video, and it's spurring me to get some hobby time in with my GK. It's been a long time since I was excited to paint my GK, so thanks for that!
Emergency Disembarkation stratagem doesn’t keep you from dying when you get out; as a matter of fact, the chance of dying doubles per model. It just gives you extra distance.
The baby carrier makes its return
Ugh, I avoided buying them, as they are simply ugly in my eyes. I will probably have to go and convert a few of them, to use Dreadnought plating.
@@JainZar1 www.artstation.com/artwork/P3OO8 -- this kit really changed up the DKs to look a lot more interesting if the baby carrier look isn't your bag. I like the baby carrier (it's a dude in a suit in a suit!) but I understand it isn't everyone's bag.
@@rickraddue2785 I also like the look of them. But that kit you posted does also look cool.
@@rickraddue2785
It'd be cool to see if I can cram a "folding motorcycle" in there. Always loved the idea of a super soldier busting out of a damaged mech in a motorcycle. A mech inside a motorcycle, inside a bigger mech! Thinking of adding folding plates and LEDs, too. If I'm spending this kind of money, I want it to look the best I can make it!
@@DanielScutt silence heretic. DK's are good, and fun, you don't have to run them 24/7. so sh
Thanks for the vids guys!
Been ages since I played 40K but looking to get back into it.
Ive enjoyed hearing the tactics for the armies.
Cheers
10:45 that whole tactic is still valid, you just have to be right behind said obscure area rather than inside
Yeessss! Astral Aim!!
Land Raider... Land Raider..Anyone else thinks this was recorded before the Space Wolves report? :D
It 100% was, because he learned he was wrong about emergency disembarkation strat in that game but the error is still in this vid.
@@danielbennett2405 What was the error? I missed that video.
@@darkspectar8169 he thought you could disembark an destroyed transport without potentially taking damage when the potential was doubled. They had a few glaring issues with their admech guide as well. Still nice to hear their thoughts anyways for ideas.
@@darkspectar8169 also they failed to touch on that once you pick a save, either invulnerability or regular, you have to roll on that save until the end of the phase iirc. With only one sanctuary to pass around makes positioning and game knowledge all that more important.
@@ericwolf9664 Where does it say that you have to stick to that save?
I feel like the Land Raider's days are numbered. :/ Given how open GW have been about their intention of phasing out tacticals, the fact the Land Raider can't transport Primaris seems to pretty clearly signal which side of the fence it is on.
Hopefully we see Terminators staying at least this edition as a solid option and LR's maybe get a +1 carrying capacity for them or something for more character blob/terminator-version blobs at least
Yeah. They had to dial back Thunderhawks and Stormbirds to carry Primaris cause folks would be pissed if their $1000-2000 model can’t be used. Maybe they will do the same for the LR. I’m old, so maybe I’m nostalgic, but I think the old vehicles-Land Raider, Rhinos, Razorbacks, Speeders, Storm anything flyers-just look so much better than any of the new stuff. The Marine models look better. Maybe not as individualistic and flavorful, but certainly a better sculpt. But not the vehicles.
Hi, I'm picking up a grey knights list for my 9th edition army but I'm just doing a Patrol to ally with a Tempestus Scion list.
I know I give up a lot by playing a soup list but it gives me a fair amount of flexibility as well.
It's basically a grandmaster, 10 man troop squad and 2 units of 5 terminators, an interceptor and a gunship with 25 scions and a couple taurox prime for firepower and mobility.
I'm hoping that it will be a fun list for my friends to play against, I know it's not a tournament list.
But, I love scions, I love fliers and I love terminators so even if it sucks it will be fun.
Thanks for the tips friends.
All the talk about Land Raiders... yet yesterday's batrep. (I know they talk about extra buffs in this one but what happened still makes me wary)
There is no world in which I want to fall back my daemonhammer wielding beatstick characters, and I spend most of my time trying to get units into CC, so I really don't see the fall back changes as a major loss. Very situational
Reading the lore of Grey Knights is what got me into 40K AND wargaming in general.. GOD I love them.
I don't see how 2 10-man paladin squads, with 2 librarians, draigo, and brother captain is still not far and away the best list.
*edit* Full list I'm referring to (with the assumption that Draigo becomes our supreme commander): the new supreme command detachment with Draigo, then a battalion detachment with 2 librarians, 1 brother captain, 4 strike squads, 1 apothecary, and 2 full paladin squads.
Poor Board Control + Unbound
@@jameszoeller1517 How would it be unbound? Assumiing draigo becomes our supreme commander (not a bad assumption), you can have: draigo, 2 librarians, brother captain, 4 strike squads, apothecary, and 2 full paladin squads, which fits perfectly as a battalion + that new supreme commander detachment. It gives excellent board control (especially considering that boards are smaller now than in 8th), and a lot more durability and shooting power than any other option
@@zarzak719 A lot of what you just listed was exempt from your original post. You made no mention of strike squads or your speculations regarding Draigo and so I concluded that your proposed build of 4 HQs and 2 Elites would be unbound, restricting access to Tides and stratagems, and too concentrated to provide meaningful board presence to achieve secondaries and hold objectives against opposing Troops.
@@jameszoeller1517 Fair enough :)
Taking cues from AoS for their Look Out, Sir! changes was brilliant. Now if only they'd follow that model for all aura buff abilities being Wholly Within, then we would finally get rid of all these Conga Line shenanigans.
Auras would have to get significantly bigger if you wanted to make that change, to balance out how few models could now reliably fit in the bubble
Does the lack of Psychic Focus for GK/TS affect you during playtesting without it?
Is Pychic Focus gone? That was the rule that says you can't cast the same spell more than once per turn right?
@@BryceHannigan Psychic Focus (Big FAQ 2018 and Chapter Approved 2019) said TS and GK ignore increasing smite warp charge.
Assassinate combined with Abhor the Witch is pretty much guaranteed 30 points vs Grey Knights.
If they killed all 5 of your characters, they probably have also Tabled you.
@@jasonwelch5990 you can get max 15 for secondaries, you kill 2 characters and boom, side objectives complete
Where is the guy who normally corrects you with rules in the background? You definitly needed him for this Vid...
Hoping for a thousand sons review
Love the land raider info. Validates my purchase of the Grey Knight Forgeworld land raider I did last night. ;) Only just watching the video now. Shame is a Relic. Guess i need a basic version.
Looks like the Party Van is back on the menu, boys!
Can you guys confirm if TWIN/Pair Falchions are 4 points or 2 points? Is the point cost listed for a Falchion (2 points) designed to be for a SINGLE falchion and hence double (4 points) for Twin/Pair Falchions? I think if at 4 points, it's already REALLY debatable taking them over a FREE Halberd.
Psychic Awakening listed them as 1 point a piece. So 2 pt total
Actually Pair of Falchions =single Falchion , 2 pts.
Rad! Great refresher ⚔️
You have to cast imperator with your character and gate with your GK unit, cause of Dominus Discipline. Wrong order :P
I have one big question:
Where are you getting this 'you can shoot through an obscuring ruin as soon as you touch its walls from the outside' from?
The trait says 'while within' and I don't think you can make the argument that you are within a structure (or its boundaries) when you are touching its walls from the outside.
Or are you just defining the area terrain as 1mm bigger than the actual structure?
Not entirely sure about this but I think ITC rules say that you gain cover if all models within a unit touch the walls of a terrain piece. Maybe this converts to "within" but I could be wrong. Not a regular tournament player myself.
Wonder if he still feels the same about labdriaders after SW game.
I'd like to see these two build lists you guys were talking about to get a better idea of whats going on. New to the game.
you all going to do a deathwatch vid?
A lot of this reminds me of one of the old playing in Old Edition like they said the Rhino / Razorback Rush I still think there can be something applied with purifiers Falcons transport and may be either a chaplain or brother Captain maybe even having them in a land Raider might be optimal although the purifiers distance is not the same for the eternal flame it can cause a lot of damage just got to bring them to the front line mid board
My build would be all with stormbolters and Force swords but with the psy active ammo and the warpshaping the stormbolters go up to S6 Ds-2/3 depending on source and 3Dmg
Worth noting, half of the powers GK know can only be cast by Characters (a lot of the more useful ones).I'ts probably worth bringing an extra Patrol Detachment.
Is this channel host still around in 2021? I have a request. Khorne Daemonkin vs Grey Knights. I already have the former, and I plan to buy Grey Knights as my 2nd army.
Psychic secondaries are great for GK in a way as you describe them, but they can be performed only by Character
Thanks, great video. I'm a bit confused, did you say that you can have a 5 man paladin squad with 4 psycannons? Seems wrong to me and battle scribe, but I'm new and I would be really happy to be wrong.
Edict Imperator on Stormraven Gunship--> Load Hail of Fire at the Enemy and then Fly off the Board into Strategic Reserve, next Turn rince and repeat--> unkillable Airsupport until the Cast fails or the Enemy kills the Raven in turn 1 when he is starting the Match.....Do i miss something here? Thoughts on this?
Units arriving from the strategic reserve are subject to the same rules as reinforcements. The turn the Stormraven arrives from the strategic reserve even with Edict Imperator the Stormraven cannot move.
It's still fun to use in my opinion.
That would've been mad but, still, not a bad way to deny your opponent retaliation against your Stormraven if you start with it on the board first turn. Generally, I believe the the common sentiment is to deny as much LOS as you can turn 1 and then bring your glass cannons turn 2 to maximize your strike. Stormravens are hearty but they're going to be drawing a lot of fire with no way to avoid it. Pairing that with it's diminished capability to mitigate incoming fire with Hit capped at +/- 1, its a risky proposition to start it off on the board. Especially if you intend to use is as a means of transport for your units. However, if there's some way to greatly improve your chances of getting turn 1, it might become a very effective tactic to do so.
hey guys love the video and i was wondering. since i'm a new(ish) player (loved watching but new to playing) i was wondering what would be a good starting build for grey knights? one of my local gameshops has a huge supply of grey knights and i wanted to have that as my starting army and i need help building. any advice will be welcomed and thanks to anyone who can give me some advice.
Shop where I am doesn't stock much greyknights usually, as a new player it annoys me a lot cos I can barely get qnything
3 units of Purifiers and Crowe in Crusader. GoI that big boy to the enemy. In next turn pop all out. Deep strike relic banner dude with Brother Captain and wreck everything with smites in escalation tide...
Oh and you can clean any screen with 10man termies with Adict Imperator spell on them so your smites can do real work. GG WP. : ))))
Do grey knights an thousand sons still not suffer the penalty to casting multiple smites? GW hasn't mentioned the brotherhood rule in the new main rule book
General consensus is that yes they do still suffer the penalty like everyone else. The Brotherhood rule was in the 8th ed FAQ and therefore isnt valid in 9th. I am hoping that it will be FAQd at launch.
You forgot to mention for the GK smites they are no longer exempt from the warp charge increase on smite like they were in 8th edition! personally I'd take a librarian over the Brother Captain until it's fixed (which I doubt it will be because even in the FAQ they didn't fix it) the librarian being able to change the result of a dice up or down by 1 is a lot better currently imo than longer ranged smites just because you can't spam smite anymore.
Great writeup! Please do Black Templar and Deathwatch at some point!
But seeing that as the last line in front off that spacemarine in front off that imperial gards Or a rule that you can use a marine troop as your main front before the knights??from the chapter lines eg dark angels, black Templar, sure there was one other for training?????or Just can??.
How did you guys build the Dreadknight like that? I can't seem to get the arms to go far enough to where the sword is in front.
Could you explain me something plz? Is all GK HQ allowed to use combi-melta or Librarian only?
Great video! Extremely helpful for a noob like me.
Now, forgive me for asking something (probably very) stupid.
I have started with Cadians, and I want to get some decent troops.i don't like bullgryns, so I was thinking about adding a small force of grey Knights. I will not play in tournaments, just at the local shop.
Is it possible to mix forces? Any tips on how to do it efficiently?
Thanks in advance
You guys should really get a Discord going!
Really love Crowe and the Purifier order, how is it best to run the squad(s)? Max out on special weapons? Or take a minimum and spam stormbolters?
Many thanks.
It depends on your tactic and enemy... Simple troops like purifiers are not good at tanking damage, so they should hide or use teleport strike to get enemy by surprise.
I d take 4 heavy guns for 10 strike squad , 2 for 5 purifiers. Psilencer gives you more Damage and shots, Psycannon gives you S against tough enemies (i wont take incinerators due to very short range) , but if you take too much heavy guns enemy could lock you in HTH. Also every GK lower than Terminator is BAD at HTH, only 1 attack, 1 wound.
Paladins and Terminators is very other guys, much better at HTH, much better saves...you can go with 1-2 heavy gun for 5 squad...Also give them some Brother-captain and kill everything with Smite.
Any thoughts on a dreadnought heavy list?
When are you guys covering sisters? :)
How do you think GSC will do in 9th? Not high hopes but want to hear your input
...it's unplayable until they release a new codex
Hello I am genuinely curious how falcions are better than halberds. If you were to take the same point value for each, say 10 falcions and 12 halberds, both are 240 points. A normal strike marine gets 30 attack, 1 base, 1 shock assault and 1 for falcions, while halberds get 24 attacks 1 base and 1 for Shock assault, they hit on 3+. So 20 hits on average for falcions, and 16 for halberds, and then for wounding falcions beat halberds on T3 since they both wound on 3. But T4-T5, and T8 halberds wound better since they are 1 better at wounding, so against let’s say your swinging at normal space marines. Falcions got 20 hits from earlier, so on average 10 wound since its S4 to T4, and halberds get 10.6 which rounds up to 11, and since T4 is from what I can tell is the most common Toughness I would assume halberds ever so slightly better, not to mention your getting two more marines which are great for helping stay on objectives and body blocking with look out sir rules, also with falcions your losing 24 points over 20 points for halberds when they die, and they die just as easy, now if your fighting T3 armies, falcions are definitely better, but from what I can tell I would think halberds are the most consistent form of melee weapon, now I’ve only been playing warhammer for a couple months now, so I’m not really an expert but I really love my grey knights. Also if anybody has a nice reasoning to taking falcions over halberds im all ears. 🙂
Im eagerly awaiting blood angels with assault intercessors
Just started my army going heavy on nemesis dreadknights would love to know what you guys think would be a good list
Hey guys what do you think about using GMNDK as screens for other characters? RAW they should qualify and with a potential 3++ he is hard to shift.
Can we expect one for Deathwatch?
Brian is like Tom Nook 😄
Will there be a Thousand Sons review? Can't wait to see how much worse they've gotten...
Take heart, we got the lite touch when it came to points increases. We're hurt but not out.
I've been wondering which to pair with my templars, grey knights or sisters or both with them. Any suggestions .
How much are Falchions in your interpretation? 2 per Falchion or 2 for the pair?
It’s 4 points for a set
Model scores not weapons itself. Model has Falchion +2 pts, Model has pair of Falchions +2pts. Two models with 3 Falchions total +4 pts.
Have I mis read the rules or can you only put to sigh cannons not 4 and a 5 man squad of paladins?
Have you done one for the black Templars????
What would you say is an easier to pick up army that does Psychic well?
Good video lads but would have been good to edit in some models or pan the table to see some characters
I must be one of the few people who dont want to run the baby carriers purely couse they look stupid.
edict emperytor of however its spelled can only be cast by characters
Any thoughts on dual Stormraven lists for GK? Are rifleman dreads legends now?
The auto cannon dreads are legends now unfortunately.
Did I miss it or did you talk about the brotherhood of sorcerers? Do Grey Knights still have the ability to ignore the +1 cost to smite
yes
Where does it say they get to ignore the +1 to smite? It was in CA under psychic focus and now the +1 to cast is in the base rules. I have not seen anything that shows 1k sons and grey knights are exempt.
@Karol Jeske it is NOT in PA.
Karol Jeske am I blind? I just looked through the book and did not see psychic focus in any of the rules. Can you reference a page number?
GW messed up and they technically don't have the rule in 9th. This will probably be changed in a day 1 FAQ
At then end you talk about pileing out of the Rhinos. You mean that as a figure of speech or can you actually pile out of a vehical in 9th?
Johan Grundström figure of speech.
Meanwhile the census on the Grey knights Reddit about this video is: www.reddit.com/r/Grey_Knights/comments/hu5sts/tabletop_titans_how_to_play_grey_knights_in_9th/
are rhinos really worth it?
let's suppose you have the first turn:
you move the rhinos to the objective, and can't disembark on the same turn, so the enemy move up and shoot you. Obviously, they will target the rhinos/razorbacks with your characters still inside, as they are the more valuable targets. Rhinos have T7 and the meta vs vehicle is S8, so they are quite vulnerable for a transport, moreover, depending on the enemy, they may get charged, preventing any 10men squad from disembarking next urn (BAs deep strike at 9" with +1" to charge; Tempestus Scions have a stratagem tha allow them to deep strike at 5" of the enemy and charge at the same turn, both can easily charge a rhino turn1 and lock any units inside because of the "must disembark more than 3" away from the enemy" rule... if they surround the rhino well enough.
Let's suppose you don't get firs turn:
enemy takes the midfield. You either move your rhinos to within enemy range with the units inside, or disembark the units and advance with an empty rhino.
Because the rules determine you must disembark BEFORE the transport moves, I think these kind of units get completely useless in the game, unless they have Flying+M>12" or T8+SV2points better than the units inside(preferably with a way to disrupt charges). Besides, for 3 points per model, you can have your strikers as interceptors, and teleport them anywhere on the map turn 1, fully capable of acting the rest of the turn... which is objectively better than paying 80 points for 10 models (8points per model) to move at Advance speed and being completely useless in every phase until you get to disembark. To make it worse, a charged transport may not be able to disembark it's troops safely and if it gets destroyed you risk losing the entire squad in one go. It doesn't sounds doable at all to me... if at least the troops inside could shoot while inside the vehicle, I could make a special case to it as a moving bunker, but not only they can't shoot from inside the vehicle, the Rhino have laughable defensive capabilities...
I loved talking about silver linings. Lol
This is just gonna be a marine edition until we get some codex releases. Have fun...
Can we get a 2k List?
It's coming generally with the release pattern so we will see a report with grey knights vs X army so there will be a 2k list there in some detail
The only things I don't see being good that you guys are talking about are the psychic secondaries which will be close to useless do to the dominus discipline being so important. Land raiders are way to expensive and easily destroyed by any army T1 unless hidden very well.
Cqbr find the Time table. When will necron tactic arrive :-)?
As they are expecting a new codex for the Necrons at the opening of 9th, I belive they are holding off on Necrons for now
When is the Thousand Sons 9th Ed. Review?
Will you do DA?
no librarian? terminators over paladins?
land raiders this is how you know gw did something right...
lemme dig up the dreadnoughts were big winners in 8e articles
You guys have a Discord? Bringing my 7th ed GK tournament army back for 9th (with changes, obviously). Curious to run the list by you guys. It was incredibly broken and overpowered in 7th. It fields no paladins, no terminators, no landraiders...none of the units one would expect.
Would you be able to do a dark Angel's one please
Can i use them with inquisitorial storm troopers and an Inquisitor?
Inquisitor yes, you’ll keep battleforged. Stormtroopers will disqualify battleforged
Try Tempestus Scions with Greyknights for a similar flavor though I think Sisters of Battle generally benefit more from Inquisitorial allies. Granting a ++5 to Flagellants with the Malleous power is pretty strong and provides a good escort for Coteaz as he moves across the board with them in a rhino.
And what is the list exactly?
Uhhh you can’t gate a land raider…?
Where are you guys based out of ?
Any thoughts on smites cast costs increasing per cast for GK now?
So are they still good or not worth our money?
I have played 2 games and I have struggled to play this army effectively
If you listened to what they told u about GKs in this video, you now know the reason why youre struggling.
I played a custodies player 2 times now and just get railed each time. We dont have the strength or ap to knock out there wounds.
do you plan on doing one of these for Raven Guard ?
Tau necrons and who else wouldn't bring psykers ??? imp guard ?
Dark Eldar
All hail the baby carrier!
Can grey knights use allies in 9th?
well, yes. But they loosing some stratagems and Tides.
Hopefully minotaurs get a codex in 9th
One day a faction will not be loved... one day.
We want new Grey Knights, but please no Primaris Fake Knights.
Anything on CSM??!!
The Dreadknight is almost unplayable in the current 'Melta' meta.