We slam boxers for not taking challenges then blame for poor match making when they lose. Boxing fans need to accept it’s a sport to win and lose. If you want a boxer to cherry pick to get respect. It’s hype not fight. Respect to joe and zhang. We need to see more of this.
Exactly. All this bad match making shit is irritating. You’ve got fans saying it’s bad matchmaking. Like them saying I don’t want good fights I want Foregone conclusions. Muppets!
I actually like it when guys make excuses. Athletes are such a weird group because they can be mentally fierce but very personally fragile and sometimes being brats in defeat allows them to come back. It's like those times during Tiger Woods' peak, when he would not win, and blame the wind. All the guys, including the winner, would most likely be playing in the same wind, but Tiger would feel better pretending the wind was against *him* personally. Only thing is that u can't both be a brat and keep losing, coz then you're obviously not channeling that aggression. And I obv mean making excuses within reason. Unfounded stacked gloves claims don't count
Zhang fought at the 2003 world championships 20 years ago, its hardly a surprise at near 40 his gas tank is slowing, but as he showed last night he can still bang
Even after Joyce got wobbled I still thought he was gonna come back to win it just because his gas tank is elite. Very smart performance from Zhang though, dropping his work rate after the 2nd round to preserve energy and make every punch count, he couldn’t miss all night. I’m a fan
The only people that can be shocked by this are the ones that have never seen Zhang fight, he's an absolute beast and he punches like King Kong. And for those that have never seen Zhang fight there's a reason that the top guys have avoided him for so long. Credit to Joyce for having the balls to take this huge challenge as the others didn't want any part of Zhang.
I think that Joyce's lack of movement and use of angles made Zang look better than he is. Joyce needs to look at the way Lennox fought Evander and move better off of the jab. He needs to stop spending so much time in the danger zone.
Sad thing is the past 8 years has been the golden era for UK HW boxing. Yet its slowing coming to an end and what big fights have we had. Nothing which is sickening. AJ lost his star power, whyte not the fighter in 2018, joyce now been beat and is coming up to 38, Fury ruined undisputed twice, DD no idea, hughie fury never fights. How has this happened will never get this chance again
@thebestpairyet I wouldn't even say good run we've had nothing not the champions fights like, hughie vs chisora, AJ vs Fury, joyce vs Fury or AJ, the 2019 whyte not 2022 whyte vs fury, whyte vs DD. What could of been and any fights that get made now are well past their peak. Any fight fan who doesn't think so ain't a true fight fan
Boxing is cruel brother - I stayed in the same hotel as Joe and his family and saw his mother with Salas in the lobby around 2am..devasted. Such a tough and risky business but that's why we love it!
This was always coming unfortunately. Even if Joe didn’t get knocked out, there was always a very high chance he’d eventually get his face opened up and lose a fight in this manner, and now he has
That's the difference between Parker hitting you and a 20st Zhang I suppose, nasty looking injury for Joe Joyce I hope he's OK 👍🏻 Zhang's left hand could not MISS last night, southpaw too, is this Joyce's Bogeyman!? Zhang should be undefeated and is dangerous
@@flamboyentpromotions3471he put Forrest on his ass three times , and had a point deducted so he should have won that fight if it wasn't left to the judges or the referee ....
I am worried for joes health because taking those heavy punches on your head like that will definitely lead to disaster at some point in his like, as we all saw zang can bang and joe felt it several times , joe needs to work on his defence period
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Biggest problem was Joe’s inability to avoid the South paw straight left and moving to right into the line of fire 🔥. Zhang had great timing and no tell on his punches picks his shots well and has a good right hook as well. Very educated defence great on performance from Zhang really impressed he’s a 20 stone power punching problem
No the biggest problem is Joe Joyce is not a heavyweight anyone wants to pay to see. I've never seen a heavyweight paw at his opponent round after round. Especially with a body like Joyce has. He should be bullying guys instead of taking shots hoping to tire them out.
Joe's ego was his biggest problem. How do u have a guy waiting to fight u and ur busy scrutinizing what happening with Edward and Anthony? And what did he mean he hadn't sparred a southpaw? I hope that was just 'just been hit in head' confusion and he meant he hadn't had a fight with one in a while. But yeah, he fell for his own hype and the whole Juggernaut deal and forgot that Zhang was also up there in age and eager to prove something
5th round was genius by Zang, he took the round off and still found the mark on a few occasions but he took the round off. Joyce threw a lot of shots but very few ever got through big bangs defence.
Gotta disagree with you Ade in regards to Zhang's left hand. That thing is rapid and most importantly there's no telegraph on the punch. He was consistently throwing it from wherever it was with no pull back. One of the quickest backhands in the heavyweight division for sure.
Itauma literally just turned 18 about 4 months ago. He was stopping everyone in the amateurs. 33-0 amateur record. Mostly KOs. He is already 3-0 as a pro after only turning pro a couple of months ago. They can keep up this pace and keep building him he could be nearing 30-0 in 5 years time before he even reaches world level. Fighting at World Level in his early 20s. Similar to Haney's career path. Brilliant skills for a heavyweight I am excited to watch his career.
Another hype job on the way I'm guessing, after Yarde, Joyce and Dubois all have their faces smashed in. Time to get off the Warren hype train...Moses needs a lot of time...no idea why he had to join the pro ranks now.
33-0 amateur record is not a good amateur record to have. Need to lose in the amateurs, get experience. He’s obviously just fought 33 people he’s better than. Loma being the one exception every fighter loses a number of amateur fights
Vitali Klitschko had a granite chin (unlike his brother lol) but he still tried to hide behind the jab with his height/reach advantage. I don't know why Joyce thought it was a good gameplan to walk into Zhang's shots. A good chin should be there to save you when you get caught, not something you rely on.
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That loss will only improve joyce.. this is the heavyweight you have to preserve yourself to win.. this not the 80s these guys today are huge .... most of these top guys are praised all the time by the media and pundits but really they have never been tested a lot of them..
So glad you speak about the issue with taking shots.. it's the same issue I have with talk about glass chins... Completely demeans brain trauma, particularly when we are talking about fighters cutting weight
nothing is do with Joyce size its his head movement his head don't move Zhang hits harder than anyone Joyce has fought 20 stone fast heavy hands southpaw nobody could withstand getting hit like that.
Really good point about back to back fights for Zhang - solid resume at this point. Zhang very calculated and good at picking the correct shots. Timing, power and speed beats volume.
I actually had a bet on that Zhang would put Joyce on his backside inside 6, obviously lost because Joyce didn't go down. Joyce starts so slow and Zhang starts very well, he seems to put 100% into his shots early on, very clever cluster fighter. Joyce really struggled against that southpaw stance as he did against uysk in the amateurs, that fight is on TH-cam. Great win for Zhang not sure where he goes from here because watching that no-one will be rushing to get in the ring with him. Big credit to Joyce for making no excuses and not quitting.
He came prepared for the fighter before him and I'm glad people are giving him props for that. I get that Zhang is also helped by the language barrier so interviewers were less keen to interview him, but I wish Joe had spent the build up focused on Zhang and not other bigger fights. I wish, when he'd been asked about Fury and AJ and em, that he'd said the man he needs to cocentrate on now is Zhang.
Nothing changed with Joyce’s chin, Zhang is just a bigger puncher than you’re giving him credit for, Hrgovic was also said to have an untouchable chin before he faced Zhang, he hadn’t dined out on his chin.
Not surprised was never on the hype train that strategy if takin punches to the face being flat footed zero head movement no defense just power is all hes got you guys saw that and supported it that's not boxing I said it then I stand by it now he's boxing is abismal.
A fighter is only as good as his last fight. I thought Joyce was looking like a beast in the division and now of course he's looking vulnerable. The punching power and southpaw stance of Big Bang played a part. It reminded me of the first AJ Usyk fight when Usyk seemed to be able to land his straight left at will.
Zhang didn't do anything special or surprising to anyone who had seen any of his fights before, the surprise was how bad Joyce was, he looked clueless. The 'plan' (was there even any plan?) was awful, if you let your opponent fight to their strengths and offer little in return that's a recipe for disaster.
18 year old Mike Tyson stops that guy 1st round to put it into perspective Ade, As for Joyce the weight loss was his biggest problem along with bad a game plan, his corner were terrible to say the least.
Joyce has made a career of being able to take a hit but those hits are gonna accumulate. Someone needs to save this guy because the CTE is gonna be a real problem when he is older. He faced Usyk in WBSS and got beat pretty comfortably. It shocks me that he hasn't adjusted his style wen he fought a generational talent so early in his pro career. I'm not sure if it's arrogance or just stupid.
Big surprise for me .I never really rated Zhang and thought he would fade later rounds but obv it never went that far .I'm sure Joe will want the rematch and if not for the eye injury he'd 've been expected to pull away but my god he looked slower than ever
I didn't rate Zhang until 3 fights ago. Up until that point I have seen him by chance on some stadium and he looked really bad. Then I saw him with some american and then Hrgovic and he looked much better. It was the first time someone stood up to Hrgovic and was pushing him back - and that was in very hot weather. In hindsight it is quite clear to see he is a good fighter - you don't reach Olympic game trials let alone qualify and win silver if you are not. Just as Franklin is a champion in the states - most of the guys in the top 30 are solid just not so well known. You would not call the top 5 competitors in any sport elite and everyone else pretty much a bum - as in boxing. What surprised me was just how little Joyce moved his head. It never looked coordinated or smooth but he boxed better 10 years ago. Not saying it would change the fight but at least maybe get a couple more round hoping Zhang would tire
You mentioned a very good point......these days boxers do far fewer fights than back in the day. No time to learn your trade, little time to make the necessary improvements. I suppose it's down to there not being that many youngsters taking up the sport like before especially at this weight...
I don't know how you can't find sparring for Zhang. He should have got Charles Martin and Ortiz over. Probably would have been expensive but no southpaw sparring for a fight like this is ridiculous.
Next time a big time fighter starts talking about the fight after next I’m putting a big bet down. Every time: AJ/Ruiz; Canelo/Bivol; Whyte/Povetkin; Tyson/Douglas; Lopez/Kambosos…. The list goes on!
None of the big fighters are gonna touch Xhang after this now. Maybe wilder because he’s got something to prove & usyk seems like he’ll fight anyone but AJ & Fury won’t go anywhere near Zhang.
Everyone including Joyce seems to forget Chin is not the only thing on the had. Around the eyes there is soft tissue also, and if you get hit it will get swallen. It can get cut to. Lennox Lewis vs Vitaly Klitchko. Vitaly was winning the rounds and got an iron chin, but guess what he got cut, and doctor stopped the fight. Wilder got his ear busted that can happen no matter how strong your chin is. Not getting hit is one of the foundations of boxing. Joe's chin held up, but his eye didnt. Learn from Bivol boys, learn from Bivol.
@Black Wolf yeah he didnt, he was humble. Only thing bad was that he completely overlooked zhang talking about AJ, Usyk, fury next etc. Didn't respect zhang.
The difference between Hrgovic and Joyce is that Hrgovic was able to adjust, Joyce couldn't. I wish Joyce a speedy recovery and great performance by Zhang
Joyce is like boxing's version of the Diaz brothers in the UFC. High work rate but not much power in their punches and no head movement but great chins
Im not happy with Mariah Fury at mo but i feel people saying Zhang may now beat Fury is a bit crazy. Fury is not Joyce, hes not as easy to hit he can fight on inside and he can move. Totally different fight to joyce.
When Joyce, the man that gives Fury nightmares supposedly before this fight, gets slapped for 6 rounds by an okay southpaw, there is a catalogue of reasons and defences and “styles makes fights” but when Joshua goes 24 rounds with arguably the greatest Southpaw of all time, AJ has no heart? Where is the same energy from the people 😂
"Gives Fury nightmares" 😂😂😂 you just pulled that out of your a$$....when is gayjay going to fight a Fury or Wilder still hasn't done it in the year 2023. Ducking ugly robot 🦆🦆🦆
Everyone taking the piss out of AJ should now realise that heavyweight boxing is not as easy as they think. Nobody thought JJ would ever lose to Zhang but he got schooled the way JJ did to Dubois.
What we're you thinking Ade? Joe Joyce had no chance of winning if Zhang came ambitious and prepared. Fish Eyes set up Joyce good and proper for what he did to Dubois.
@@chrisbirch4150 Mate follow the "machine" and not your feelings. Fish Eyes has never pushed Joe Joyce as he has Fury and Dubois. I think they know that Joyce is boxer with CTE depreciating everyday. You don't put your money on a broken horse.
@@markwhittaker6866 It's boxing mate hist as corrupt as politics. Watch the interviews with the Warren boys none of them appear to be disappointed and remember they signed Zhang. This has hatchet job written all over it. Fury didn't want to fight Joyce because he remember those beatings Joyce gave him when he was coming back off his couch. This happens all the time in boxing. Promoters don't let anyone slay their golden calf.
It is actually Moses Itauma who turned pro saying he wants to beat the record set by Mike Tyson. Itauma is nothing like Mike Tyson but why should he not set goals or aspirations. If he makes it he makes history, if he doesnt nothing lost. But better to try than not to try
Muhammed Ali in his early career stated he was chasing pattersons then record as youngest heavyweight champion ever, he was not wrong to try nor is Itauma
It didn't look like Joyce knew how to fight against a Southpaw. He was eating that left straight all night like it was a jab. Otherwise, Zhang vs Wilder could be an interesting fight. AJ's fought Usyk twice in a row, so I assume he's learned enough to avoid just eating those big left straights early in the fight. But Wilder's defense is still pretty questionable, he's been stopped twice by big guys and Zhang also seems like a potential target for the right hand.
It was so refreshing watching the young kid Moses Ituma moving like Nasseem Hamed at 17 st 10 ......To be fair Naz is prob that weight himself nowadays lol .
The boxing PPV platform is the most abused platform in boxing. It took Mayweather 7 years of being champion to get to that level. It used to be that a fighter had to work his way up to PPV and even then not EVERY fight was PPV. Only their biggest fights. Tank Davis PPV?! I respect his skills but who has he fought or beat? I won’t pay for his fights. Fact.
Watched heaps of people saying Zhang was too ancient at 39. In the heavyweight division age matters far less than the lighter weight divisions, as the latter relies more on movement, and combination punching, which naturally is lost during aging. Guys like Foreman, '' Being a freak though'' just relied on accuracy and power and won that world title at 46 years of age. That takes a lot longer to lose. Zhang weighs 280 pound and does not look out of shape at all. I don't think Zhang missed one of those huge left crosses.
Joyce got found out last night. He was hyped up by the media because of a few average wins. Zhang took advantage of all of his weaknesses - slow feet, no head movement and lack of KO power
Meh, that is the sport. They are all dangerous men at that weight. Big respect for Joe taking tough fights and giving us fans what we want and big respect to the Big Bang for seizing an opportunity and delivering. No way Joyce swerves the rematch. He will take it and he will likely win.
Zhang was bigger, stronger and better in every way. Joyce got hurt and his main weapon was gone. Zhang's defence was outstanding as well, but he twatted Joyce so many times with that left it was starting to get ridiculous. I think Joyce thought he was going to walk through Zhang and wear him out with his face.
I'm so sick of people acting like a Los destroys a boxer you could see at the end Joe wasn't deterred such a good spirit still he happily would have fought on and I believe wore him down in the end
@@justinfletcher7630 Have a good cry Justin...hype job smashed to bits by a fringe contender... apparently Joyce was a Top 3 HW according to the likes of you....I bet you had Dubois top 2....before he had his skull cracked.
Far too much hate for joe Joyce. Very bad stylistic matchup clearly he’s still a top 10 fughter. 1. Fury 2. Usyk 3. Joshua 4. Wilder 5. Ruiz 6. Zhang 7. Whyte 8. Joyce 9. Hrgovic 10. Parker
I like your take on the Moses fight. The announcers were driving me nuts, disrespecting his opponent, they had the same disrespect for makaelas opponent. I forget the announcers name, the older one, he has gotta go.
We slam boxers for not taking challenges then blame for poor match making when they lose. Boxing fans need to accept it’s a sport to win and lose. If you want a boxer to cherry pick to get respect. It’s hype not fight. Respect to joe and zhang. We need to see more of this.
Agreed, top contenders (Gate keepers) should be fighting each other more in these 50/50 match ups.
Spot on
Exactly. All this bad match making shit is irritating. You’ve got fans saying it’s bad matchmaking. Like them saying I don’t want good fights I want Foregone conclusions. Muppets!
100% correct
we sure do
Gutted for Joe. But Zhang schooled him. Big Joe took the loss like a true gentleman, though. 👏🏽
Couldn’t agree more…losing in that fashion with that attitude will make it much easier to retool and come back!!
I actually like it when guys make excuses. Athletes are such a weird group because they can be mentally fierce but very personally fragile and sometimes being brats in defeat allows them to come back. It's like those times during Tiger Woods' peak, when he would not win, and blame the wind. All the guys, including the winner, would most likely be playing in the same wind, but Tiger would feel better pretending the wind was against *him* personally. Only thing is that u can't both be a brat and keep losing, coz then you're obviously not channeling that aggression. And I obv mean making excuses within reason. Unfounded stacked gloves claims don't count
@@SaiSaiGre does an overweight suit count?
Zhang fought at the 2003 world championships 20 years ago, its hardly a surprise at near 40 his gas tank is slowing, but as he showed last night he can still bang
Even after Joyce got wobbled I still thought he was gonna come back to win it just because his gas tank is elite. Very smart performance from Zhang though, dropping his work rate after the 2nd round to preserve energy and make every punch count, he couldn’t miss all night. I’m a fan
Joyce got schooled
Zhang feared corruption by the judges and dealt with it like someone who feared corruption by the judges and I cannot help but stan 😂
@@SaiSaiGre Joyce was ahead by a round on one judge's scorecard. I haven't read any yet.
The only people that can be shocked by this are the ones that have never seen Zhang fight, he's an absolute beast and he punches like King Kong. And for those that have never seen Zhang fight there's a reason that the top guys have avoided him for so long. Credit to Joyce for having the balls to take this huge challenge as the others didn't want any part of Zhang.
Zhang is such an underrated puncher. so accurate. His sense of distance and finding his mark is exceptional. He really didn't miss much at all!
I think that Joyce's lack of movement and use of angles made Zang look better than he is. Joyce needs to look at the way Lennox fought Evander and move better off of the jab. He needs to stop spending so much time in the danger zone.
The unorthodox stance threw Joyce from the start, didn’t sound like he had been sparring anyone with that stance even
Yh Joyce didn't make it a challenge for him he was a punching bag zero head movement
Sad thing is the past 8 years has been the golden era for UK HW boxing. Yet its slowing coming to an end and what big fights have we had. Nothing which is sickening. AJ lost his star power, whyte not the fighter in 2018, joyce now been beat and is coming up to 38, Fury ruined undisputed twice, DD no idea, hughie fury never fights. How has this happened will never get this chance again
I've been thinking the same lately. Best new talents in HW are outside of the UK. We had a good run. A fab run. Jared Anderson is very promising
blame the promotors and the boxers theyre all to blame ,greed and fear of losing the main factors
Couldn't agree more mate -been a right disappointment
@thebestpairyet I wouldn't even say good run we've had nothing not the champions fights like, hughie vs chisora, AJ vs Fury, joyce vs Fury or AJ, the 2019 whyte not 2022 whyte vs fury, whyte vs DD. What could of been and any fights that get made now are well past their peak. Any fight fan who doesn't think so ain't a true fight fan
Have a whinge woman.
Boxing is cruel brother - I stayed in the same hotel as Joe and his family and saw his mother with Salas in the lobby around 2am..devasted. Such a tough and risky business but that's why we love it!
When AJ said he rushed and bamboozled Joyce in sparing, we doubted him. I can see that now.
Bummed out about Joyce but you can't be that easy to hit against a puncher like Zhang.
This was always coming unfortunately. Even if Joe didn’t get knocked out, there was always a very high chance he’d eventually get his face opened up and lose a fight in this manner, and now he has
Another great upload Adey. Really enjoying your perspective.
That's the difference between Parker hitting you and a 20st Zhang I suppose, nasty looking injury for Joe Joyce I hope he's OK 👍🏻
Zhang's left hand could not MISS last night, southpaw too, is this Joyce's Bogeyman!?
Zhang should be undefeated and is dangerous
He should be undefeated?what about the Forrest fight he lost that an got a draw I thought
@@flamboyentpromotions3471he put Forrest on his ass three times , and had a point deducted so he should have won that fight if it wasn't left to the judges or the referee ....
Damn Ade, after the 1st round I was looking frantically for your live stream watch along! What a performance from Big Bang Zhang
I am worried for joes health because taking those heavy punches on your head like that will definitely lead to disaster at some point in his like, as we all saw zang can bang and joe felt it several times , joe needs to work on his defence period
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Biggest problem was Joe’s inability to avoid the South paw straight left and moving to right into the line of fire 🔥. Zhang had great timing and no tell on his punches picks his shots well and has a good right hook as well. Very educated defence great on performance from Zhang really impressed he’s a 20 stone power punching problem
No the biggest problem is Joe Joyce is not a heavyweight anyone wants to pay to see. I've never seen a heavyweight paw at his opponent round after round. Especially with a body like Joyce has. He should be bullying guys instead of taking shots hoping to tire them out.
Joe's ego was his biggest problem. How do u have a guy waiting to fight u and ur busy scrutinizing what happening with Edward and Anthony? And what did he mean he hadn't sparred a southpaw? I hope that was just 'just been hit in head' confusion and he meant he hadn't had a fight with one in a while. But yeah, he fell for his own hype and the whole Juggernaut deal and forgot that Zhang was also up there in age and eager to prove something
5th round was genius by Zang, he took the round off and still found the mark on a few occasions but he took the round off. Joyce threw a lot of shots but very few ever got through big bangs defence.
Gotta disagree with you Ade in regards to Zhang's left hand. That thing is rapid and most importantly there's no telegraph on the punch. He was consistently throwing it from wherever it was with no pull back.
One of the quickest backhands in the heavyweight division for sure.
Ade i saw the fight and laughed at your prediction.
Itauma literally just turned 18 about 4 months ago. He was stopping everyone in the amateurs. 33-0 amateur record. Mostly KOs. He is already 3-0 as a pro after only turning pro a couple of months ago. They can keep up this pace and keep building him he could be nearing 30-0 in 5 years time before he even reaches world level. Fighting at World Level in his early 20s. Similar to Haney's career path. Brilliant skills for a heavyweight I am excited to watch his career.
Very exciting fighter I agree, heaps of talent. Would like to see him get into the habit of holding his hands a bit higher though
Itauma only had 24 amateur fights, where are you getting 33-0 from?
Another hype job on the way I'm guessing, after Yarde, Joyce and Dubois all have their faces smashed in. Time to get off the Warren hype train...Moses needs a lot of time...no idea why he had to join the pro ranks now.
33-0 amateur record is not a good amateur record to have. Need to lose in the amateurs, get experience. He’s obviously just fought 33 people he’s better than. Loma being the one exception every fighter loses a number of amateur fights
Great content… always measured and always authentic
You should applaud yourself Ade! What you’ve achieved is super inspiring 🙌😎
Vitali Klitschko had a granite chin (unlike his brother lol) but he still tried to hide behind the jab with his height/reach advantage. I don't know why Joyce thought it was a good gameplan to walk into Zhang's shots. A good chin should be there to save you when you get caught, not something you rely on.
I totally agree with you.
'Hide behind his jab' isn't this the point of boxing to hit and not get hit...rather stay behind the jab than hide.
Did you ever saw Vitali Klitschko fight? He fought with a low leading hand just for the different angle and unpredictability.
GoodMorning Ade!!! I’m so upset about the internet situation yesterday…I really wanted to watch you live during the fight yesterday!! But it’s all good, things will work out just fine. Keep making this excellent content 💯
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That loss will only improve joyce.. this is the heavyweight you have to preserve yourself to win.. this not the 80s these guys today are huge .... most of these top guys are praised all the time by the media and pundits but really they have never been tested a lot of them..
fury will call out joyce now
So glad you speak about the issue with taking shots.. it's the same issue I have with talk about glass chins... Completely demeans brain trauma, particularly when we are talking about fighters cutting weight
nothing is do with Joyce size its his head movement his head don't move Zhang hits harder than anyone Joyce has fought 20 stone fast heavy hands southpaw nobody could withstand getting hit like that.
Really good point about back to back fights for Zhang - solid resume at this point. Zhang very calculated and good at picking the correct shots. Timing, power and speed beats volume.
This review was really refreshingly honest and had proper context
It was only a matter off time with Joyce you can't keep only using your face to block punches
I actually had a bet on that Zhang would put Joyce on his backside inside 6, obviously lost because Joyce didn't go down. Joyce starts so slow and Zhang starts very well, he seems to put 100% into his shots early on, very clever cluster fighter. Joyce really struggled against that southpaw stance as he did against uysk in the amateurs, that fight is on TH-cam.
Great win for Zhang not sure where he goes from here because watching that no-one will be rushing to get in the ring with him. Big credit to Joyce for making no excuses and not quitting.
Zhangs defence was underrated, rode and caught a lot of shots, whilst biding his time
Absolutely. His lead hand work, foot and head feignts are terrific. Shame his engine is so unreliable.
He came prepared for the fighter before him and I'm glad people are giving him props for that. I get that Zhang is also helped by the language barrier so interviewers were less keen to interview him, but I wish Joe had spent the build up focused on Zhang and not other bigger fights. I wish, when he'd been asked about Fury and AJ and em, that he'd said the man he needs to cocentrate on now is Zhang.
@@SaiSaiGre that's what made me change my mind. Learnt my lesson with Whyte-Povetkin 1
Nothing changed with Joyce’s chin, Zhang is just a bigger puncher than you’re giving him credit for, Hrgovic was also said to have an untouchable chin before he faced Zhang, he hadn’t dined out on his chin.
Yup. No such thing as an 'untouchable chin' at heavyweight.
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I only hope media hype didn't get to Joe because media hype can have extremely catastrophic consequences.
Not surprised was never on the hype train that strategy if takin punches to the face being flat footed zero head movement no defense just power is all hes got you guys saw that and supported it that's not boxing I said it then I stand by it now he's boxing is abismal.
Great commentary, top channel, lovely chair.
Brilliant analysis 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏..
Yes, absolutely, let's spread this sport, it should be international.
Breaking news!: "Joyce thought Zhilei was orthodox"
A fighter is only as good as his last fight. I thought Joyce was looking like a beast in the division and now of course he's looking vulnerable. The punching power and southpaw stance of Big Bang played a part. It reminded me of the first AJ Usyk fight when Usyk seemed to be able to land his straight left at will.
Zhang didn't do anything special or surprising to anyone who had seen any of his fights before, the surprise was how bad Joyce was, he looked clueless. The 'plan' (was there even any plan?) was awful, if you let your opponent fight to their strengths and offer little in return that's a recipe for disaster.
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Adi been following your channel since you started never posted anything but what's happened to hughie fury please answer. 🙏
18 year old Mike Tyson stops that guy 1st round to put it into perspective Ade, As for Joyce the weight loss was his biggest problem along with bad a game plan, his corner were terrible to say the least.
100% right about Joyce taking shots. It was always a sooner or later moment.
Joyce has made a career of being able to take a hit but those hits are gonna accumulate. Someone needs to save this guy because the CTE is gonna be a real problem when he is older. He faced Usyk in WBSS and got beat pretty comfortably. It shocks me that he hasn't adjusted his style wen he fought a generational talent so early in his pro career. I'm not sure if it's arrogance or just stupid.
He has always been slow but he still moved his head a lot more in the amateurs. He lost to AJ and Usyk but looked good against Hrgovic.
@@utkarsh2746 hrgovic is 1 dimensional af so that is hardly a compliment
Zhang done what he needed to do. Was perfect , Joyce just relies on taking punches and then hoping his opponent can’t handle him
Big surprise for me .I never really rated Zhang and thought he would fade later rounds but obv it never went that far .I'm sure Joe will want the rematch and if not for the eye injury he'd 've been expected to pull away but my god he looked slower than ever
I didn't rate Zhang until 3 fights ago. Up until that point I have seen him by chance on some stadium and he looked really bad. Then I saw him with some american and then Hrgovic and he looked much better. It was the first time someone stood up to Hrgovic and was pushing him back - and that was in very hot weather.
In hindsight it is quite clear to see he is a good fighter - you don't reach Olympic game trials let alone qualify and win silver if you are not. Just as Franklin is a champion in the states - most of the guys in the top 30 are solid just not so well known. You would not call the top 5 competitors in any sport elite and everyone else pretty much a bum - as in boxing.
What surprised me was just how little Joyce moved his head. It never looked coordinated or smooth but he boxed better 10 years ago. Not saying it would change the fight but at least maybe get a couple more round hoping Zhang would tire
Joe couldn't see the left hand because his right was closed for 3 rounds.
You mentioned a very good point......these days boxers do far fewer fights than back in the day. No time to learn your trade, little time to make the necessary improvements. I suppose it's down to there not being that many youngsters taking up the sport like before especially at this weight...
I don't know how you can't find sparring for Zhang. He should have got Charles Martin and Ortiz over. Probably would have been expensive but no southpaw sparring for a fight like this is ridiculous.
Next time a big time fighter starts talking about the fight after next I’m putting a big bet down. Every time: AJ/Ruiz; Canelo/Bivol; Whyte/Povetkin; Tyson/Douglas; Lopez/Kambosos…. The list goes on!
None of the big fighters are gonna touch Xhang after this now. Maybe wilder because he’s got something to prove & usyk seems like he’ll fight anyone but AJ & Fury won’t go anywhere near Zhang.
More chance of the Saudi 4
Man heavyweight tournament happening than Ade having solid internet 😅😅
How was Joe ahead on the cards it's starting to happen alot on Frank's cards
Everyone including Joyce seems to forget Chin is not the only thing on the had. Around the eyes there is soft tissue also, and if you get hit it will get swallen. It can get cut to.
Lennox Lewis vs Vitaly Klitchko. Vitaly was winning the rounds and got an iron chin, but guess what he got cut, and doctor stopped the fight.
Wilder got his ear busted that can happen no matter how strong your chin is.
Not getting hit is one of the foundations of boxing.
Joe's chin held up, but his eye didnt.
Learn from Bivol boys, learn from Bivol.
“ Chat sh## get Zhanged” 🤷🏾♂️🤣🥊
When did Joyce chat sh##?
@Black Wolf yeah he didnt, he was humble. Only thing bad was that he completely overlooked zhang talking about AJ, Usyk, fury next etc. Didn't respect zhang.
@@BlackWolf-el3gu I simply quoted Zhang do keep up.
Take it you never watched the run ups…
The difference between Hrgovic and Joyce is that Hrgovic was able to adjust, Joyce couldn't. I wish Joyce a speedy recovery and great performance by Zhang
Yeh and Hrgovic could take those heavy punches better. Yet people say he lost and that Joyce is top 4 or 5.
Difference is Joyce’s team only bought off one judge! Hrgovix lost that fight
@@scottybottybanana So Eddie Hearn bought the judges for Hrgovic but not his biggest client fighting right after Joshua. Makes sense!
@@scottybottybanana hrgovic lost based on what?
@@yvesalbrecht2644 he was being beat up. Didn’t think he was himself that fight though to be honest
Respect for both. Boxers should stop protecting their records and fight each other. In mma nobody cares about 0 loss, just give us good fights!
Joyce is like boxing's version of the Diaz brothers in the UFC. High work rate but not much power in their punches and no head movement but great chins
No he’s not. You just have limited knowledge of the sport of boxing and are making a real poor comparison sir.
I'll listen to any man who talks sense. You've got yourself a new subscriber. Keep speaking the truth. Good job
Can't sleep on Zhang's defensive skills. Really smart. Parrying and blocking is excellent. Took the fifth round off smartly. I like the shakeup.
I would love to see Fury fight Zhang. Someone that can box and punch.
Fury will eventually be found out 😅
Another challenge Fury will avoid. Next?
Boring. We need fury vs chisora 4 next. The rivalry finally needs to be settled. Someones 0 finally needs to go.
Lol fury ain't fighting him any time soon lol not a chance 😂
Mate stop underestimating Fury for goodness sake’s Fury would just outbox zang.
Im not happy with Mariah Fury at mo but i feel people saying Zhang may now beat Fury is a bit crazy. Fury is not Joyce, hes not as easy to hit he can fight on inside and he can move. Totally different fight to joyce.
I watched the fight live and i dont know what hes corner was saying but everytime my man hit joyce he was in trouble
When Joyce, the man that gives Fury nightmares supposedly before this fight, gets slapped for 6 rounds by an okay southpaw, there is a catalogue of reasons and defences and “styles makes fights” but when Joshua goes 24 rounds with arguably the greatest Southpaw of all time, AJ has no heart? Where is the same energy from the people 😂
"Gives Fury nightmares" 😂😂😂 you just pulled that out of your a$$....when is gayjay going to fight a Fury or Wilder still hasn't done it in the year 2023. Ducking ugly robot 🦆🦆🦆
Everyone taking the piss out of AJ should now realise that heavyweight boxing is not as easy as they think. Nobody thought JJ would ever lose to Zhang but he got schooled the way JJ did to Dubois.
It's Fury idiots who seem to think HW boxing is a computer game.
What we're you thinking Ade? Joe Joyce had no chance of winning if Zhang came ambitious and prepared. Fish Eyes set up Joyce good and proper for what he did to Dubois.
I would not be surprised at that at all.
Nah even if he did want Dubois to win that, Joyce was still an emerging star for Warren.
@@chrisbirch4150 Mate follow the "machine" and not your feelings. Fish Eyes has never pushed Joe Joyce as he has Fury and Dubois. I think they know that Joyce is boxer with CTE depreciating everyday. You don't put your money on a broken horse.
@@markwhittaker6866 It's boxing mate hist as corrupt as politics. Watch the interviews with the Warren boys none of them appear to be disappointed and remember they signed Zhang. This has hatchet job written all over it. Fury didn't want to fight Joyce because he remember those beatings Joyce gave him when he was coming back off his couch. This happens all the time in boxing. Promoters don't let anyone slay their golden calf.
@@anthonymcken6050 I didn't actually realize Queensbury had Zhang as well. That changes my view a bit 😂
If Zhang doesn't get a bigger name I would like to see him take on Whyte as that would be another nice name on his record if he got the win.
Zhang would have to KO him early. Probably not.
Zhang said himself jollof joe is too slow. Saw his shots coming all day.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is actually Moses Itauma who turned pro saying he wants to beat the record set by Mike Tyson. Itauma is nothing like Mike Tyson but why should he not set goals or aspirations. If he makes it he makes history, if he doesnt nothing lost. But better to try than not to try
Muhammed Ali in his early career stated he was chasing pattersons then record as youngest heavyweight champion ever, he was not wrong to try nor is Itauma
He has to keep his guards up more, and consequently reduce his punch counts
It almost certainly wasn't zhangs initial strategy, but he and his team definitely capitalised on an opportunity that presented itself
Great win
It didn't look like Joyce knew how to fight against a Southpaw. He was eating that left straight all night like it was a jab.
Otherwise, Zhang vs Wilder could be an interesting fight. AJ's fought Usyk twice in a row, so I assume he's learned enough to avoid just eating those big left straights early in the fight.
But Wilder's defense is still pretty questionable, he's been stopped twice by big guys and Zhang also seems like a potential target for the right hand.
Wilder would KO him right away. Way too fast.
It was so refreshing watching the young kid Moses Ituma moving like Nasseem Hamed at 17 st 10 ......To be fair Naz is prob that weight himself nowadays lol .
The boxing PPV platform is the most abused platform in boxing. It took Mayweather 7 years of being champion to get to that level. It used to be that a fighter had to work his way up to PPV and even then not EVERY fight was PPV. Only their biggest fights. Tank Davis PPV?! I respect his skills but who has he fought or beat? I won’t pay for his fights. Fact.
Come on Ade, lets not take the piss on the number of ads per video
We all picked Joe Joyce to win ? Because he's the Juggernaut ? Nope. Nicknames aren't real.
Watched heaps of people saying Zhang was too ancient at 39. In the heavyweight division age matters far less than the lighter weight divisions, as the latter relies more on movement, and combination punching, which naturally is lost during aging. Guys like Foreman, '' Being a freak though'' just relied on accuracy and power and won that world title at 46 years of age. That takes a lot longer to lose. Zhang weighs 280 pound and does not look out of shape at all. I don't think Zhang missed one of those huge left crosses.
I love Joyce but he needs more movement. He makes Joshua look like Barry mcGuigan.
Joyce got found out last night. He was hyped up by the media because of a few average wins. Zhang took advantage of all of his weaknesses - slow feet, no head movement and lack of KO power
No way, Joyce is a solid puncher, but Zhang is an experienced HW who used his speed and agility💯
What a fight and Joyce has to stop blocking shots with his face
Ade I was looking forward to your fight night live all week😢
But regards to the fight, the best man won on the night. Fair play to him!
Meh, that is the sport. They are all dangerous men at that weight. Big respect for Joe taking tough fights and giving us fans what we want and big respect to the Big Bang for seizing an opportunity and delivering.
No way Joyce swerves the rematch. He will take it and he will likely win.
Maybe Hrgovic Can Get Some Credit Now
Exactly!
Zhang was bigger, stronger and better in every way. Joyce got hurt and his main weapon was gone. Zhang's defence was outstanding as well, but he twatted Joyce so many times with that left it was starting to get ridiculous. I think Joyce thought he was going to walk through Zhang and wear him out with his face.
Everyone wants the best to fight the best and then soon as people lose their 0 they’re worthless, this boxing thing makes no sense this anymore
That’s a win for Matchroom, 2 title contenders.
Really? How?
Pillow fists Parker messed with his head
Bro there is no chance he is 18 😂😂😂 my guys a fresh faced old man
Zhilei Zhang did say "I bang everything"!
Zhang vs AJ in China would be massive
joyce got schooled and stopped ,well done zhang ,outboxed ,first to the punch , couldnt miss a slow joyce
That was a shock hope Joyce is ok he be back
I'm so sick of people acting like a Los destroys a boxer you could see at the end Joe wasn't deterred such a good spirit still he happily would have fought on and I believe wore him down in the end
Bring out the violin.
@@Lee-fc3yf for who the casuals that act like a loss makes a guy a bum
@@justinfletcher7630 Have a good cry Justin...hype job smashed to bits by a fringe contender... apparently Joyce was a Top 3 HW according to the likes of you....I bet you had Dubois top 2....before he had his skull cracked.
@@Lee-fc3yf he is a top 5 still
I've nvr had Dubois in the top 8
Zhang v Wilder in China would be colossal.
Far too much hate for joe Joyce. Very bad stylistic matchup clearly he’s still a top 10 fughter.
1. Fury
2. Usyk
3. Joshua
4. Wilder
5. Ruiz
6. Zhang
7. Whyte
8. Joyce
9. Hrgovic
10. Parker
I like your take on the Moses fight. The announcers were driving me nuts, disrespecting his opponent, they had the same disrespect for makaelas opponent. I forget the announcers name, the older one, he has gotta go.
Zhang was so focused he nailed it this fight