Nice idea, I do judo not bjj but still find your videos very informative, if someone put their elbow up like that I think I'd go for double lapel if it was on, under the sleeve under the triceps same side or just try and grab your belt same side rather than take the bait and grab by your wrist but could work. I don't know why more bjj guys don't train judo techniques cause stiff arming or bad judo is really easy to deal with when you know how
Thank god! Stephan Kesting is putting out great drills for stand up! God bless! I needed this so badly. MOAR!!! Nogi too. More like this! I have subscribed!
Awesome! Stephan probably doesn't have time to answer, but anyone else suggest a high percentage takedown for older guys? I'm 59 and double-leg shots are not an option anymore - I probably lost about 1/3 of my speed and explosiveness...thanks to all who can help!
I would argue that the take downs shown in this video might be appropriate. If you can win the initial grip fight then the sacrifice throw does not require a ton of explosiveness
Currently a white belt, and in comps I normally stand in southpaw stance. I normally have my left hand lightly gripping my own right lapel (I don't know why I do this, I did a year of judo years ago, maybe this was taught then?) to protect the lapel grips and coked and read to seize their sleeve, similar to your chicken wing. Sadly no one has ever grabbed the sleeve of the winged arm :( Maybe I still have to bait it more and be less aggressive with my grip fighting to try out your cool sequence.
at 2:36 I transition to a tight waist and do a Tani Otoshi (Valley Drop) takedown .... its easy and highly effective, any danger is to your training partner/opponent (not you as people falsely think) by resisting the takedown and breaking their leg
As an option when they reach to your head to block you just back trip them by putting the arm in their belly and pulling with their Gi over your right leg while spinning away, easy peasy
One of those takedowns reminds me of gedan-ate (one of the scoring techniques in Shodokan aikido competition.) Only, with a double leg at the end, rather than a hip check/trip. I love seeing these similarities between arts... and they are much easier to see when the styles train with resistance and/or include competitions.
Have you done videos discussing why takedowns are dangerous? I assume you're referring to the injury and concussion risk that's present when bodies get launched through the air in epic fashion. Isn't this an essential part of combat sports though?
the solution to the first point you make is to be the judoka/wrestler and land on top. everything else i generally agree, going for desperation takedowns in mma can get you kneed and elbowed in the head. on the streets, you never know what kind of weapons and other people will be involved, so it's generally best to avoid tangling with someone even if you can leave a crater in the ground as a result of PLANTING them.
to be fair at my judo club it's 50/50 ne waza and tachi waza. a good judoka can not only leave a crater in the ground after planting you but will also hold you on the ground all day and have a good understanding of chokes and armlocks. the scarf hold armlock is a nasty one that's really common in judo
agree 100%, personally i am not a boxer but i believe boxing is the best for street defense. like you said, if you are a grappler you should be opportunistic and not desperate
If you're standing within punching distance, even an untrained opponent can get lucky and land a knock out blow. In a street fight, the best place to be is very far away, and the worst position to be in is pinned to the ground. This is why it's important to know grappling sports like bjj: so that you can escape from underneath and get the hell out of there!
I've got a good takedown plan for bjj. Actually learn the freaking basics, work on your freaking stance, work on your freaking grips and overall just learn the freaking basic principles!!! No more butt scooting!
My tournament is in October!! I think I will give this a try. Last time, I failed at stand-up so bad that my opponents defeated me 4-0 scoring two double-leg takedowns. One question, does the Ippon Seoi Nage (shoulder throw) work well in BJJ? Some say it doesn't but I've seen many people recommend it or use it... is it actually useful?
Not so useful. seoi was my specialty in Judo, I rarely do it in BJJ. When it fails, you tend to end up in turtle with the opponent on your back. In Judo, if you can tough it out for 5 or 10 seconds the ref will stand you up. In BJJ, the guy on your back can take as long as they need to break down your turtle. Sometimes people stand tall and straight arm me on one side, and I can't resist the seoi... but its not something I do regularly. Drop seoi works a bit better in BJJ, I think, because the attacker has back to thigh contact rather than back to chest (aka, they have your back) so when it fails they aren't right there on your back.
@@samroberts7978 I see, thanks for the advice :) Well... I didn't get to use that move, I was Ura Nage-ed in the competition lol I went for a harai goshi but the guy countered me. The rest of the match was just stalemate. 2:0
I do both judo and BJJ (in age of 57) and I have to say, that judo is in mats is like a secondary school and BJJ is like a high school, but if we compere judo and BJJ standing techs then BJJ is a secondary school and judo is an university. Both sports are create but different.
You care about your white belt friend so much that you didn’t release it until after he competed. You’re a hero Stephan. ❤️
OMG! I made the design for that Nōgi rashguard you're wearing! :D
Very cool! Jake at Budovideos gave it me!
BudoJake was definitely cool to work with!
Let us also say that the space is excellent and harmonious with your suit. 🙂 Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
Nice idea, I do judo not bjj but still find your videos very informative, if someone put their elbow up like that I think I'd go for double lapel if it was on, under the sleeve under the triceps same side or just try and grab your belt same side rather than take the bait and grab by your wrist but could work. I don't know why more bjj guys don't train judo techniques cause stiff arming or bad judo is really easy to deal with when you know how
ForzaTerra89 Exactly why I started training Judo.
Thank god! Stephan Kesting is putting out great drills for stand up! God bless! I needed this so badly. MOAR!!! Nogi too. More like this! I have subscribed!
Did your white belt friend succeed in the takedown? My first tournament is next month. I'm a white belt too.
How did it go?
Yeah?
I guess not good 3 years later no reply 🤷🏼♂️
I wonder how the friend of his did?
was chocked out to death....
RIP friend of Stephan Kesting: 1979 - 2018
I was just thinking that. 🤣
My first tournament is on the 12!!
Stephen do you have a series related to these types of very useful tips? The elbow detail I employed tonight and what a difference.
Awesome! Stephan probably doesn't have time to answer, but anyone else suggest a high percentage takedown for older guys? I'm 59 and double-leg shots are not an option anymore - I probably lost about 1/3 of my speed and explosiveness...thanks to all who can help!
I would argue that the take downs shown in this video might be appropriate. If you can win the initial grip fight then the sacrifice throw does not require a ton of explosiveness
@@StephanKesting Great surprise response! Thank you! Just subscribed...great content...
you make so many useful videos thank you
Currently a white belt, and in comps I normally stand in southpaw stance. I normally have my left hand lightly gripping my own right lapel (I don't know why I do this, I did a year of judo years ago, maybe this was taught then?) to protect the lapel grips and coked and read to seize their sleeve, similar to your chicken wing. Sadly no one has ever grabbed the sleeve of the winged arm :( Maybe I still have to bait it more and be less aggressive with my grip fighting to try out your cool sequence.
at 2:36 I transition to a tight waist and do a Tani Otoshi (Valley Drop) takedown .... its easy and highly effective, any danger is to your training partner/opponent (not you as people falsely think) by resisting the takedown and breaking their leg
great combos
Great vid!
As an option when they reach to your head to block you just back trip them by putting the arm in their belly and pulling with their Gi over your right leg while spinning away, easy peasy
When did Richie get his black ? Congrats bud!
I have that exact gi too.
I think he's had it for a couple of years already.
One of those takedowns reminds me of gedan-ate (one of the scoring techniques in Shodokan aikido competition.) Only, with a double leg at the end, rather than a hip check/trip. I love seeing these similarities between arts... and they are much easier to see when the styles train with resistance and/or include competitions.
I seriously thought you were going for the russian legsweep there
is there a name for the elbow technique? I've been having a lot of Success With lately
I just want to say thanks to Stephan Kesting for bjj road map
I have been doing bjj for three months when should I purchase my first gi
Id like to know how you got that far without having your own already
Have you done videos discussing why takedowns are dangerous? I assume you're referring to the injury and concussion risk that's present when bodies get launched through the air in epic fashion. Isn't this an essential part of combat sports though?
the solution to the first point you make is to be the judoka/wrestler and land on top. everything else i generally agree, going for desperation takedowns in mma can get you kneed and elbowed in the head. on the streets, you never know what kind of weapons and other people will be involved, so it's generally best to avoid tangling with someone even if you can leave a crater in the ground as a result of PLANTING them.
to be fair at my judo club it's 50/50 ne waza and tachi waza. a good judoka can not only leave a crater in the ground after planting you but will also hold you on the ground all day and have a good understanding of chokes and armlocks. the scarf hold armlock is a nasty one that's really common in judo
agree 100%, personally i am not a boxer but i believe boxing is the best for street defense. like you said, if you are a grappler you should be opportunistic and not desperate
If you're standing within punching distance, even an untrained opponent can get lucky and land a knock out blow. In a street fight, the best place to be is very far away, and the worst position to be in is pinned to the ground. This is why it's important to know grappling sports like bjj: so that you can escape from underneath and get the hell out of there!
bjj tend to water down wrestling take-down techniques.
I've got a good takedown plan for bjj. Actually learn the freaking basics, work on your freaking stance, work on your freaking grips and overall just learn the freaking basic principles!!! No more butt scooting!
So sweet!!!!!
Also Tani Otoshi
Absolutely
My tournament is in October!! I think I will give this a try. Last time, I failed at stand-up so bad that my opponents defeated me 4-0 scoring two double-leg takedowns. One question, does the Ippon Seoi Nage (shoulder throw) work well in BJJ? Some say it doesn't but I've seen many people recommend it or use it... is it actually useful?
On October 26 or 27?
xxkillingwavexx swag 20th I'm currently in China, competing in the GCJJF tournament
Not so useful. seoi was my specialty in Judo, I rarely do it in BJJ. When it fails, you tend to end up in turtle with the opponent on your back. In Judo, if you can tough it out for 5 or 10 seconds the ref will stand you up. In BJJ, the guy on your back can take as long as they need to break down your turtle. Sometimes people stand tall and straight arm me on one side, and I can't resist the seoi... but its not something I do regularly. Drop seoi works a bit better in BJJ, I think, because the attacker has back to thigh contact rather than back to chest (aka, they have your back) so when it fails they aren't right there on your back.
I should have added -- drop seoi can be pretty brutal on the knees long term, though, I'm definitely too old for it!
@@samroberts7978 I see, thanks for the advice :) Well... I didn't get to use that move, I was Ura Nage-ed in the competition lol I went for a harai goshi but the guy countered me. The rest of the match was just stalemate. 2:0
Perfect! Osss!
I do both judo and BJJ (in age of 57) and I have to say, that judo is in mats is like a secondary school and BJJ is like a high school, but if we compere judo and BJJ standing techs then BJJ is a secondary school and judo is an university. Both sports are create but different.
No gi rashguard under the gi...huh...?
Says who?
oss
dude! your forgett the scissor throw!!!
cool judo, mostly a DQ, but who cares, if you loose with style ;)
How i miss BJJ.
Injury?
Oosssss
Oss
I like dangerous
Primeiro
Passador, vale tudo, guardiero...
That’s literally all the Portuguese I know...
Rolling Kneebar guardeiro*
César Alves Thank you. Good thing I’m a top player 😂.