The comments make you think Leffen won, but what really happened was PPMD won. He popped up out of nowhere, stood up on stage and challenged the other gods and Leffen and 3-0'd all of them.
I'm not a HungryBox fan, but I respect this set; HungryBox looked like he attempted to avoid ledge camping and interacted a lot. He was actually fun to watch. Gotta give respect where its due.
DeathlessIce I don't like Hbox game plan.. but I agree, he only tried it once or twice.. but dropped it early. He didn't need it as we saw the set was close.. I don't mind watching puff play, but ledge camping....
People don't understand why Leffen isn't getting shit on for camping, but Hbox does. It's about context. Hbox will ledge camp like at SnS3, even when he's down, to slow down the pace of the game and frustrate his opponent, which frustrates viewers as well - because it's non-interactive, non-committal, and possibly the lowest risk, highest reward option in Melee. Ledgehopped aerials are also insanely strong for Jigglypuff. If you run at her at the ledge, you risk getting hit ONCE and dying quickly. It's a position Hbox has never been ashamed to take, even for minutes at a time. It's also a dead easy input - press back, press jump, maybe z/a. Leffen lasering isn't as non-committal and doesn't have the lopsided risk/reward ratio that planking does. Hbox can still hit Leffen during the lasers. Leffen is completely vulnerable when he's airborne and lasering. He's giving up his horizontal mobility in exchange for 5% MAX. When Leffen lasers, he's spacing it outside Hbox's full drift bair range, or simply punishing him for inaction and indecision. Hbox is forced to approach, and most importantly, interact, or he risks slipping even further into deficit. Short hop double laser, drift control included, is also somewhat tough to execute consistently. Leffen didn't miss a single SHDL. Leffen just didn't let Hbox play how Hbox wanted to play. There's no hypocrisy to be had. Leffen interacted, he approached, and took active openings. No game here lasted longer than 4 minutes. If you want to see Fox actually laser camp and mirror Hbox's typical playstyle, watch SFAT versus Hungrybox at TBH6, or the Armada versus Hbox sets at Summit and SnS3. Gigantic difference between those sets and this one. P.S. No one likes Armada versus Hbox in this matchup. They both play as lame and as campy as possible to irritate the living fuck out of each other and everyone else.
I wouldn't say that Armada camps Hbox to annoy him. He does it to minimize risk and to give Hbox as little to work with as possible. Armada knows that if he plays like that, Hbox will get virtually no openings and Armada can grind him down as opposed to Leffen and Mango who like to rely on mixups.
Fiyaaah Lol, he probably could too. It shouldn't be too difficult to transition from one floaty to another. But Hbox is already eats Fox's for breakfast and most of the weaknesses Puff has to Fox, Samus also suffers from, as do all floaties. So it wouldn't do him much good.
I don't see how you could wine about Jigglypuff. Sure she can be annoying if someone's good with her, but even then you don't see Jigglypuff be used by more than one person per area usually...
Honestly I think wobbling is the only annoying thing in melee. I'm not an hbox fan but i do like watching how insanely good he is with jiggly I respect that
I like watching him because you don't get many other people using Jigglypuff, or well. Also Jigglypuff depends on mastering the character since she doesn't move very fast and dies very early.
David Davidson I used to be a hater for a pretty long time but I'm softening up to the guy. Regardless, I think coaching is fine and I have held a GC Controller and have been PR'd in my state in every smash game (besides 64) at some point or another. So that's a little bit of a long shot...
Leffen playing how m2k wishes his fox plays. Leffen fox is super optimal in this MU it's so nice to see. Perfect laser camping and mix ups when hbox comes up close. Plus reducing the chances for rests with few rolls and opting to take more damage during tech chase situations if it means avoiding rests. The only thing that can be improved (imo) would be recovery mix ups with more side B and air dodge because some of these firefox snuffs look free af for hbox. But wtf do I know
Wait a second, Leffen basically 4-stocked Hungrybox in Game 5. He lost his first stock and then took all 4 of Hbox's stocks without losing another one.
Ledge camping is way better than laser camping. You cant even approach a puff by ledge without massive chance of death. But you approach a lasering fox the fox is the one disadvantaged. Hbox relies on camping and when he has to approach or close the gap he is exposed. Lasers are just lasers. Watch the set, hbox is always just sitting by the ledge hoping leffen comes to him. he doesnt even approach when lefen is lasering him. That is because hbox is a camper. And lasers are good against camping.
Morgan Murphy bro what are you talking about? hbox literally approached leffen all the time, he camped when in high percentage just to get soem more damage
The fact that Hungrybox only loses to Fox is a sign that Fox is a horribly degenerate character that's too fast, has too many options, good specials, too much damage per move, and kills EXTREMELY early. There's like 30 moves that have a risk to using them, and then there's flicker up smash or up air. Sakurai, this is the game's biggest mistakes.
Leffen was in a big slump before, I feel like the past few tourneys have gone to both hbox and armada this year with mango winning 1. When PP comes back later this year or early next year Melee is going to be so hype!
I agree. He's also not as much of a dick as he used to be, from my perspective at least, really enjoy watching him play nowadays (coming from a used-to-be leffen hater)
Hbox too focused on the crowd and not the match, he keeps looking at the screen in between matches and even stocks last game. Gotta keep your mind where it counts
Yeah I don't see it either.... Except anyone with eyes could see how much Leffen was pulling back and shooting lasers. Just don't get all hypocritical about it. I think both lasers and edge camping are fine. Fickle melee fans just don't appreciate smart defensive play.
Crimson blur used to be top tier commentator, but now his bias towards hbox is insane. Scar and toph both might have a huge bias towards mango, but they even apologize to people like armada.
This is my own opinion so, I don't mean to be a hater BUT, it is kinda annoying for me to see EMG put up some great videos about top 10 and then have a spamgasm fest when they sponsor a tourney.... but, that is just me and VGBC might do it as well. It comes across as, "Everyone watch these highlights of great moments this week" Sponsor tourney, "Watch everything about this one because we are part of it!!"
Lol from 6:00 to 6:10 Hungrybox: Alright Im hype lets just throw this shit down and get back into it. Leffen: Oh he dropped his water bottle, here ya go :) Hungrybox: Fuck you.
The funny thing is foxs laser camp hbox as a counter to hbox camping them. Why go atk a puff by the ledge when you can shoot them for free. Leffens not dumb enough to go over there and give hbox free shit. Hbox can suck it with his lame camping ass
Morgan Murphy your joking right?? Hbox wasn't really playing campy at all. The only time he ever really went to edge was when leffen had the invincibility of respawing WHICH alot of players do not just him. He was playing sooo much more aggressive than he ever plays, hbox wasn't playing campy at all. The only time he wasn't going in hard was when he was at high precents and he wanted to live a bit longer. Like compare this set to the smash and splash grandfinals, than tell me hbox is being campy. Hbox said on his stream recently that he wanted to learn more agro puff and stop doing ledge stuff, and he was going to at goml, which he did. But if a fox lasers camps him, than you guys are PERFECTLY fine with it. that's really hypocritical.
Alex19 isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with fox? Alex puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. mang0 breaks records. Armada breaks records. Alex19 breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
Have trouble with puffs on FD? Git gud hands and play fox while camping lasers! It forces the puff to approach! May God be praised Leffen won this one. I'm getting pretty tired of Hbox tbh
I consider him the only good player lately since he's the only high rated Jigglypuff. I don't think it's particularily interesting because of Jigglypuff, but because no one else is doing it without Fox/Falco/Marth/Shiek, and sometimes people have used Captain Falcon and one person has used Princess Peach
People out here complaining in both sides over various things. Laser stalling, ledge stalling, HBox haters in full force (obviously), and your other general comments. Listen guys, give HBox a break seriously. He got second playing the way he plays. Deal with it. He didn't win so stop bugging him all the time. Secondly tbh I think laser stalling and ledge camping are pretty much the same thing. Nothing happens in the ledge stall and nothing happens in a laser stall except in a laser stall the percent goes up a little. It's so boring either way. But now I'm gonna get hate because I sound like a HBox weeb and I hate fox (20XX). On the contrary I like to see foxes play it's fun and entertaining, just not when they do it for a good 7 seconds every stock like Leffen. Like honestly they're like 24 different characters in this game or something? Don't you guys ever get tired of just seeing fox win over and over again. Like let's take PPMD for example. Everyone know he's a great guy. What if he comes back a puff main. Are people gonna hate him then just because of the fighter he plays? It's the person not the fighter. Love the person guys seriously you can't hate HBox just because of Puff that's stupid. You can hate puff but you can't hate HBox. If you're one of those of those guys that's hates HBox for his personality then that's you're problem but I mean seriously it's just Fox every single GF and every single tournament. Tl;DR: HBox needs a break from so much criticism, hate Puff but not the player. Laser stalling and ledge stalling are the same thing except laser stalling tacks on damage, both are BORING. As a mainly Sm4sh player, how do you guys not get tired of just seeing Fox over and over again in GF or at least top 8? In Sm4sh we're always getting different fighter for our top 8. Keeps things exciting and fresh
hinkage have you actually played Sm4sh? We got Bayo and Cloud, but those fighters are exactly the same though right? They are just like Fox and Faldo in Melee doing the same thing huh? Right I forgot. Faldo and Fox move set are exactly the same in melee with a few minor difference to change playstyles. We got Luigis, Marios, hell man we even had a Bowser at Evo 2017. Sm4sh has everyone and you've got the same people playing the same characters. Fox, Falco, Puff, Marth, Sheik, MAYBE Cap Falcon and Ices and you say Sm4sh is repetitive and boring. The ignorance is strong with this one
People arent tired of watching fox because melee isnt about character balance. Melee's gameplay is why people come to watch and play it. It came out in 2001 so of course its not going to be balanced for 1v1 and 2v2 but people just love the game for what it is ,and thats why they dont care as much even if its an all fox top 8.
Hungrybox lowkey aggressively throws down water bottle and leffen picks it up for him at 6:00
SpongyGaming Holy shit, didn't notice that before lmao
The mind games
lmao hbox is such a bitch.
You know you're an ass when the guy who was banned for being hateful is nicer than you.
The mind games trancend even the match.
The comments make you think Leffen won, but what really happened was PPMD won. He popped up out of nowhere, stood up on stage and challenged the other gods and Leffen and 3-0'd all of them.
if only that were true :(
Energy 69 what?.......
Leffen is just amazing in Canada for some reason. Good on Gary for getting the win.
Who's Gary
Asher Schudrich Schudrich I think it's supposed to be like Gary the rival from Pokémon like lef rivals the gods but Idk
correct
bobc4 proves this
B I G L E F F
Leffen just gave a shoutout to Plup for his win lol
Hungrybox is an outstanding person and an amazing competitor. It was a great tournament id like to thank all the participants.
FINALLY BIG LEFF WINS Kreygasm
GF? *Sees that HBox is in Losers and video length is short* Oh...
Kaguya Ootsutsuki Literally the worst
Kaguya Ootsutsuki the best
To think hbox was going to be the one playing like a bitch q.q But instead it was leffen lol
Nate Doctor shouldve seen him play during WF
Kaguya Ootsutsuki I'm sick of these kind of comments. Train your eye to not look at the time and watch the crap all the way through.
Man what a great day, optic gaming wins stage 2 play offs, had a great day with my best friend and seeing my favorite smash player win GOML!
I'm not a HungryBox fan, but I respect this set; HungryBox looked like he attempted to avoid ledge camping and interacted a lot. He was actually fun to watch. Gotta give respect where its due.
DeathlessIce I don't like Hbox game plan.. but I agree, he only tried it once or twice.. but dropped it early. He didn't need it as we saw the set was close.. I don't mind watching puff play, but ledge camping....
Since both players violated the rules, the match will stand. Had only HBox violated the rules, he would have been DQed.
You like copypastas, huh? Maybe post higher quality memes?
what rule did they violate
It's a good thing Hbox didn't go Marth
Michael Wiest Or Samus.
People don't understand why Leffen isn't getting shit on for camping, but Hbox does. It's about context.
Hbox will ledge camp like at SnS3, even when he's down, to slow down the pace of the game and frustrate his opponent, which frustrates viewers as well - because it's non-interactive, non-committal, and possibly the lowest risk, highest reward option in Melee. Ledgehopped aerials are also insanely strong for Jigglypuff. If you run at her at the ledge, you risk getting hit ONCE and dying quickly. It's a position Hbox has never been ashamed to take, even for minutes at a time. It's also a dead easy input - press back, press jump, maybe z/a.
Leffen lasering isn't as non-committal and doesn't have the lopsided risk/reward ratio that planking does. Hbox can still hit Leffen during the lasers. Leffen is completely vulnerable when he's airborne and lasering. He's giving up his horizontal mobility in exchange for 5% MAX. When Leffen lasers, he's spacing it outside Hbox's full drift bair range, or simply punishing him for inaction and indecision. Hbox is forced to approach, and most importantly, interact, or he risks slipping even further into deficit. Short hop double laser, drift control included, is also somewhat tough to execute consistently. Leffen didn't miss a single SHDL.
Leffen just didn't let Hbox play how Hbox wanted to play. There's no hypocrisy to be had. Leffen interacted, he approached, and took active openings. No game here lasted longer than 4 minutes. If you want to see Fox actually laser camp and mirror Hbox's typical playstyle, watch SFAT versus Hungrybox at TBH6, or the Armada versus Hbox sets at Summit and SnS3. Gigantic difference between those sets and this one.
P.S. No one likes Armada versus Hbox in this matchup. They both play as lame and as campy as possible to irritate the living fuck out of each other and everyone else.
I wouldn't say that Armada camps Hbox to annoy him. He does it to minimize risk and to give Hbox as little to work with as possible. Armada knows that if he plays like that, Hbox will get virtually no openings and Armada can grind him down as opposed to Leffen and Mango who like to rely on mixups.
HBox should get a pocket Samus for these kind of situations.
Fiyaaah Lol, he probably could too. It shouldn't be too difficult to transition from one floaty to another. But Hbox is already eats Fox's for breakfast and most of the weaknesses Puff has to Fox, Samus also suffers from, as do all floaties. So it wouldn't do him much good.
John Hurley But Leffen has a bad track record against Samus's
Good shit to leffen for defending his title and hungrybox playing good too
agreed! nice to see a comment here that isn't people whining about puff or whining about fox or whining about hungrybox or whining about leffen lmao
I don't see how you could wine about Jigglypuff. Sure she can be annoying if someone's good with her, but even then you don't see Jigglypuff be used by more than one person per area usually...
Honestly I think wobbling is the only annoying thing in melee. I'm not an hbox fan but i do like watching how insanely good he is with jiggly I respect that
I like watching him because you don't get many other people using Jigglypuff, or well. Also Jigglypuff depends on mastering the character since she doesn't move very fast and dies very early.
YEAH! 🔥
great matches...
big daddy lef
no coach no win
im willing to bet you hbox haters have never held a gc controller before
David Davidson I used to be a hater for a pretty long time but I'm softening up to the guy. Regardless, I think coaching is fine and I have held a GC Controller and have been PR'd in my state in every smash game (besides 64) at some point or another. So that's a little bit of a long shot...
David Davidson I love hbox but I hate puff
I'm willing to bet as hater of hbox that I've placed higher in a tourney than you ever have
Hbox is the reason i played alot of jigs in 4
Did Hbox smash di and up airs??? Not sure if it's Hbox missing it or if foxes just go better
wow that was quick. Thanks!
Leffen playing how m2k wishes his fox plays. Leffen fox is super optimal in this MU it's so nice to see. Perfect laser camping and mix ups when hbox comes up close. Plus reducing the chances for rests with few rolls and opting to take more damage during tech chase situations if it means avoiding rests. The only thing that can be improved (imo) would be recovery mix ups with more side B and air dodge because some of these firefox snuffs look free af for hbox. But wtf do I know
M2K has a similar record vs Hbox this year, maybe better than Leffen (idk)
leffen on FD vs floaties is like M2k on FD vs Spacies.
Leffen looked like he really didn't want to play this set lmao
no one likes playing puff or IC at top level. it's very draining because of how hard you get punished for a single slip up
Wait a second, Leffen basically 4-stocked Hungrybox in Game 5. He lost his first stock and then took all 4 of Hbox's stocks without losing another one.
You guys complaining about laser camp is stupid... Ledgecamping is like invincible when he does it right the lasers can be punished.
Stop being stupid. Ledgecamping hasn't once been done as much as laser camping, and one is more frequently winning in the overall game.
Savan Chandul Still the lasercamp is punishable... dont get me wrong in my opinion thats stupid too but its not making you invincible
Ledge camping is way better than laser camping. You cant even approach a puff by ledge without massive chance of death. But you approach a lasering fox the fox is the one disadvantaged. Hbox relies on camping and when he has to approach or close the gap he is exposed. Lasers are just lasers. Watch the set, hbox is always just sitting by the ledge hoping leffen comes to him. he doesnt even approach when lefen is lasering him. That is because hbox is a camper. And lasers are good against camping.
Morgan Murphy bro what are you talking about? hbox literally approached leffen all the time, he camped when in high percentage just to get soem more damage
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Much LOVE
The fact that Hungrybox only loses to Fox is a sign that Fox is a horribly degenerate character that's too fast, has too many options, good specials, too much damage per move, and kills EXTREMELY early. There's like 30 moves that have a risk to using them, and then there's flicker up smash or up air. Sakurai, this is the game's biggest mistakes.
shoutouts to the $10 folding chairs for Grand finals those things are so uncomfortable
I feel Leffen is losing title of villain and currying favor with the community.
Leffen was in a big slump before, I feel like the past few tourneys have gone to both hbox and armada this year with mango winning 1. When PP comes back later this year or early next year Melee is going to be so hype!
He's in his anti-hero arc right now
Clinton Chelak he's Vegeta
Hes not a villain in canada
I agree. He's also not as much of a dick as he used to be, from my perspective at least, really enjoy watching him play nowadays (coming from a used-to-be leffen hater)
Yeeeee Leffen wins! Good stuff from both players
sick set, so cool to see hbox playing more agressively
Leffens play on game 3 was godlike.
LETS GET IT YUNG LEFF
Good shit Leffen
Did Leffen just finish Hungrybox off with the Jigglypoke?
Los Leffos bringing the heat
Hbox too focused on the crowd and not the match, he keeps looking at the screen in between matches and even stocks last game. Gotta keep your mind where it counts
I dont play melee and I am not trying to fanboy for anyone but fox seems broken??
He is the best character in NTSC, and despite nerfs still the best character in PAL. Guess that tells you enough.
People who complain about laser camping being worse than ledge camping need to grow a pair and not go 0-2 in pools
Anyone know the set count against these two? As I feel leffen is up
im so happy for hbox
16:49 it sounds like Blur and D1 are on a rollercoaster
Match starts at 2:09
14:23 leffen just closes his eyes and speaks to whatever god that man believes in 😂
laser camp last game was laaammeee
Leffen is starving at this moment in the video.
Think about that.
Did box go to sleep at 13:23?
Big Leff goes back2back in Canada
"Get on my fucking level"
"Get On My Fucking Level"
Leff won last year too didnt he?
every time puff players get hit at high percent they touch their face
9:06
Guy next to hbox's left shoulder: "FUUUCK"
GOML is the only tournament Leffen can win apparently
Well thus didn't age well lol
Wag the finger to getting 3 stocked game 5. Good one Hbox.
I really don't see how hbox thinks leffen laser camped him this set.
right. people are acting like he ONLY pressed his fucken b button lmao
You could try adding up how much % he did in total by laser camping.
Yeah I don't see it either.... Except anyone with eyes could see how much Leffen was pulling back and shooting lasers. Just don't get all hypocritical about it. I think both lasers and edge camping are fine. Fickle melee fans just don't appreciate smart defensive play.
The main issue is Fox is popular, so their biased stupid mind doesn't comprehend that Jigglypuff cannot be unfair if Fox is used by almost everyone.
He did. He lasered and waited for hbox to make a bad decision. That is what camping is.
Leffen makes this matchup look easy... until Hbox gets a rest setup. (though it is definitely in fox's favor)
so leffen is basically kratos?
LOL 13:19 did HBox close his eyes?
I guess you can call Leffen a turkey...Because GOML GOML.
I think h-box's aggressiveness was his downfall
Crimson blur used to be top tier commentator, but now his bias towards hbox is insane. Scar and toph both might have a huge bias towards mango, but they even apologize to people like armada.
This is my own opinion so, I don't mean to be a hater BUT, it is kinda annoying for me to see EMG put up some great videos about top 10 and then have a spamgasm fest when they sponsor a tourney.... but, that is just me and VGBC might do it as well. It comes across as, "Everyone watch these highlights of great moments this week" Sponsor tourney, "Watch everything about this one because we are part of it!!"
Double DDD at 9:03
I always root for leffen unless he's playing against Mew2King. If he's playing against Armada or Mango I'm complacent either way.
Lol from 6:00 to 6:10
Hungrybox: Alright Im hype lets just throw this shit down and get back into it.
Leffen: Oh he dropped his water bottle, here ya go :)
Hungrybox: Fuck you.
If it wasn't for the rest Leffen would have 4-stocked Hungrybox. Canada Leffen OP!
Seeing how leffen laser camped on FD, puff is dead, let the laser camping fox 20xx begin. GGs leffen
Laser camping makes this match up so hard -ex puff main
The funny thing is foxs laser camp hbox as a counter to hbox camping them. Why go atk a puff by the ledge when you can shoot them for free. Leffens not dumb enough to go over there and give hbox free shit. Hbox can suck it with his lame camping ass
An Hoang just freaking approach.
Morgan Murphy your joking right?? Hbox wasn't really playing campy at all. The only time he ever really went to edge was when leffen had the invincibility of respawing WHICH alot of players do not just him. He was playing sooo much more aggressive than he ever plays, hbox wasn't playing campy at all. The only time he wasn't going in hard was when he was at high precents and he wanted to live a bit longer. Like compare this set to the smash and splash grandfinals, than tell me hbox is being campy. Hbox said on his stream recently that he wanted to learn more agro puff and stop doing ledge stuff, and he was going to at goml, which he did. But if a fox lasers camps him, than you guys are PERFECTLY fine with it. that's really hypocritical.
Laser camping puff is nothing new. Infact, you might say Leffen popularized Laser camping puff. Though I hesitate to call it "camping".
cool cool, chill chill
Leff is a jerk, but it's good to see the his effort pay off, he earned this W
1. Jin's fucking awesome. YYH >>
2. How is he a jerk? He used to be a jerk, for sure, but not really anymore.
Leffen's pretty much past the whole jerk phase as far as I'm aware
Agreed, his jerkiness is mostly in his past. Not like I don't like the guy, he's actually one of my fav smashers and I'm subbed to him on twitch lol
CaptainSuppy tf then why did u say he was a jerk then lmao
No. Fox isn't an earned win anymore. I want to see Hungrybox lose to another character. :/
mishun compree
Dang
Lef fourstocks hbox with that stock on fd
13:20 Hbox face
Leffen IS the 6th god
Alex19 isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with fox? Alex puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. mang0 breaks records. Armada breaks records. Alex19 breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
Clark.R16 do you mean herculex 19?
Clark.R16 maybe by your third copy paste you'll get some sort of reaction
Got permabanned from Alex19's twitch from spamming that. Greatest achievement of my life kappa.
lol don't trash Smash 4, it's equally as good as Melee.
Mothertroid lol nah, you'll see in a few years how alive 4 will be
Have trouble with puffs on FD?
Git gud hands and play fox while camping lasers!
It forces the puff to approach!
May God be praised Leffen won this one. I'm getting pretty tired of Hbox tbh
"lol leffen sucks" - Lord_Neo 2017
Hfam 4ever :)
Z I P B O Y S
Yesss Leffen is hot af
Lol and people say Sm4sh is dead.. let the hate commence..
Maximous Prime what would make people think melee or sm4sh is dead
hbox lost to lasers in the last few matches. laser laser grab up air
Does anyone remember Korean DJ? Ya, me neither.
Evidence.zip (Read Only) 3:20
Hungrybox played pretty amazing at this tournament in general, he'll always be the true winner in my heart :D
Sato he lost
I consider him the only good player lately since he's the only high rated Jigglypuff. I don't think it's particularily interesting because of Jigglypuff, but because no one else is doing it without Fox/Falco/Marth/Shiek, and sometimes people have used Captain Falcon and one person has used Princess Peach
sounds like you guys are salty :D @bing bow - I'm aware of what the outcome was, but he'll always be the winner in my heart :D
He played great :D
Wow it's like.... without a coach he couldn't win against your man leff #ZIPBOIS
with hbox killing melee, leffen winning is a god send
lmao D1 always bringing the weeb shit.
No hate though, I like anime too.
Laser, laser, laser, shine, shine, smash and repeat
Juan Pablo Roman Zuñiga yo bro, salty?
Juan Pablo Roman Zuñiga Grab ledge, grab ledge, grab ledge, grab ledge, grab ledge, back air, back air, back air, back air, up air, rest, repeat
Patooo 10/10 just cause the guy doesn't like this particular fox doesn't mean he likes HBox da fuq
Mr. Duck nah this comment is just to show that leffen's playstyle is just as bad as hbox camping the ledge
Juan Pablo Roman Zuñiga troll
Did he just walk up slowly and.........idc anymore.......couldn't finish it sorry
If mango would of went he would of got whooped by leffen too
first
That was an interesting match, GG's to both.
But alas, another reason despise this community...hypocrites.
"Mr. Gimmick" gets out "gimmicked".. A taste of his own medicine maybe?
guitar1104 wow dude gottem, you so cool and funny hahaha
As long as Hbox loses, I don't care who wins.
People out here complaining in both sides over various things. Laser stalling, ledge stalling, HBox haters in full force (obviously), and your other general comments. Listen guys, give HBox a break seriously. He got second playing the way he plays. Deal with it. He didn't win so stop bugging him all the time. Secondly tbh I think laser stalling and ledge camping are pretty much the same thing. Nothing happens in the ledge stall and nothing happens in a laser stall except in a laser stall the percent goes up a little. It's so boring either way. But now I'm gonna get hate because I sound like a HBox weeb and I hate fox (20XX). On the contrary I like to see foxes play it's fun and entertaining, just not when they do it for a good 7 seconds every stock like Leffen. Like honestly they're like 24 different characters in this game or something? Don't you guys ever get tired of just seeing fox win over and over again. Like let's take PPMD for example. Everyone know he's a great guy. What if he comes back a puff main. Are people gonna hate him then just because of the fighter he plays? It's the person not the fighter. Love the person guys seriously you can't hate HBox just because of Puff that's stupid. You can hate puff but you can't hate HBox. If you're one of those of those guys that's hates HBox for his personality then that's you're problem but I mean seriously it's just Fox every single GF and every single tournament.
Tl;DR: HBox needs a break from so much criticism, hate Puff but not the player. Laser stalling and ledge stalling are the same thing except laser stalling tacks on damage, both are BORING. As a mainly Sm4sh player, how do you guys not get tired of just seeing Fox over and over again in GF or at least top 8? In Sm4sh we're always getting different fighter for our top 8. Keeps things exciting and fresh
To be continued
Mr. Duck Lol even your tldr was unreadably long
Mr. Duck 8 different chars and they all do the same thing, fuck tr4sh
hinkage have you actually played Sm4sh? We got Bayo and Cloud, but those fighters are exactly the same though right? They are just like Fox and Faldo in Melee doing the same thing huh? Right I forgot. Faldo and Fox move set are exactly the same in melee with a few minor difference to change playstyles. We got Luigis, Marios, hell man we even had a Bowser at Evo 2017. Sm4sh has everyone and you've got the same people playing the same characters. Fox, Falco, Puff, Marth, Sheik, MAYBE Cap Falcon and Ices and you say Sm4sh is repetitive and boring. The ignorance is strong with this one
People arent tired of watching fox because melee isnt about character balance. Melee's gameplay is why people come to watch and play it. It came out in 2001 so of course its not going to be balanced for 1v1 and 2v2 but people just love the game for what it is ,and thats why they dont care as much even if its an all fox top 8.