gotta say, in the time you were gone i looked a bit into electrochemistry and I must recommend looking into membranes, A good membrane can split the red sea I'm almost convinced a few good membranes are paper, clay, and concrete this can help you use different electrolytes that are friendlier to allumium perhaps (alluminum doesn't play well with a lot of things unfortunately but im sure you can figure smth out) also I gotta give you props again, you're far past the amateur you called yourself when you started this is well done research and testing, you also have great ideas to contribute I may not be able to bestow upon you the title of scientist but i can do smth better, I hereby call you an engineer, maybe a garage engineer but those are the best
Glad to see you've been looking into this yourself. Got any good sources for how these membranes would be used? I've seen references in some papers about them, but they are never easy to get lol. It would be cool to try to make a split cell version with an anolyte and a catholyte. Thanks for the compliment and new title as well. Garage engineer has a nice ring to it.
@@MechanicGoneRogue I did say I would look into it didnt I But unfortunately it's still hazy for me as life continued to be a bitch to put it mildly Anyhow so as I understand semipermeable membranes can be used to have a sort of barrier to entry for ions, so unless there's an electromotive force on an ion to cross it will not, (very fancy usage in making some very regulated stuff in the EU) Unfortunately that may mean that hydroxide ions will always be around.. or If my idea is correct you can just substitute hydroxide with another anion in the aluminum side to prevent the force from grabbing hydroxide from the other side of the solution... that being said I'm not sure what membrane could stop that but I do know a guy who might (I've reached interesting corners of the internet in this search I gotta say) I'll let you know via this comment thread if I get anything And as for the name it had been used many times in many different forms, redneck engineer, ghetto engineer, garage engineer, mad man, mad scientist, dysfunctional geniuses (that last one may be personal to me) etc. But they all refer to the same group, and it's a mighty big pleasure having you with us
Yes you did say that. Of course if you do find anything on the subject I'd love to hear about it. Sounds like you've progressed a fair bit in your knowledge since we last talked as well. Keep up the good work.
Big thanks for nice down to earth videos. Ideas: 1. If you revisit the old salt water electrolyte, it would be cool with a V/A/ Temperature comparance. Would also be interesting to see if a seawater solution would give any amperage and/or voltage at all. I also understand that there are many different variants of naturally occuring salts. 2. How about going nuts into lazyness. Your tests require a lot of fiddling and prepping. Why not start with the basic empty soda can, and try to find ready manufactured shapes that fit to this form factor?
Hey there. Thanks for the comment and the suggestions. It's funny you mentioned soda cans as I've been toying with some ideas involving them. Anyways, glad to hear you liked my videos. Cheers!
Good suggestion. Have you tried it? Aren't those materials insulators? Wouldn't something that's a conductor work better? I've tried something similar with MnO2 and that worked. I think I was successful because it's a catalyst for these batteries. What do you think?
@@MechanicGoneRogue When using polymers, in this case PVA you use them to improve ionic conductivity since they help mitigate issues related to the crystalline state of PVA. It’s a common practice in gel electrolytes where they are used as fillers. One other great advantage is their additional mechanical strength in the flexible fragile PVA. Carry out your experiments and see which percentage of those metal oxide fillers work best for your full cell configuration Talking of a conductive material you could add some graphene, quite expensive or some carbon black-just make sure your separator membrane is strong enough to separate the electrically conductive positive and negative gel electrolyte
@@wwabete2009 Thanks for the detailed response. I hadn't realized that was a challenge with PVA electrolytes. I'll certainly keep that in mind as I continue working with them. Cheers!
Note: I'm sorry if I informed you wrongly previously, but there are in fact *two* substances that go by the name PVA. PolyVinyl Alcohol, and PolyVinyl Acetate. To reduce confusion, research papers usually refer to the latter as PVAc, but the commercial retailers have not done so. They have different solubility and permeability properties and different consistencies, but it is technically possible to convert from the latter to the former.
To be honest I can't remember if you made the distinction previously, but I can certianly say that I found that out when I was trying to work with it. In the end though I felt that it was too finicky for what I was trying to accomplish.
@@MechanicGoneRogue I mean that's how this kinda stuff works, it's a lovely piece of universal humor But say, and I say this not knowing the theory for either gel or solid batteries but have you tried using sealing silicon?
@@MechanicGoneRogue I got the idea from a fuse someone made that is meant to work underwater, the technique blew my mind since i didnt think the materials can work with no direct contact so hopefully silicon gel can help you too (silicon is abig atom so it should have enough space to diffuse is my headcannon, also i vaugely recall how it looks when it binds and it's not the hardest thing to diffuse through geometrically, again just purely intuition)
Hello, first of all, I just discovered your videos. I am writing from Turkey. There is a gentleman in the market, he says on TH-cam, I made battery gel, which no one knows, only I know its production and formula. He claims that no one can reach the formula and that no one knows how to make battery gel. I want to ask you this, do you have a video on making battery gel or is it an unattainable formula as this person said?
gotta say, in the time you were gone i looked a bit into electrochemistry and I must recommend looking into membranes, A good membrane can split the red sea I'm almost convinced
a few good membranes are paper, clay, and concrete
this can help you use different electrolytes that are friendlier to allumium perhaps (alluminum doesn't play well with a lot of things unfortunately but im sure you can figure smth out)
also I gotta give you props again, you're far past the amateur you called yourself when you started this is well done research and testing, you also have great ideas to contribute
I may not be able to bestow upon you the title of scientist but i can do smth better, I hereby call you an engineer, maybe a garage engineer but those are the best
Glad to see you've been looking into this yourself. Got any good sources for how these membranes would be used? I've seen references in some papers about them, but they are never easy to get lol. It would be cool to try to make a split cell version with an anolyte and a catholyte. Thanks for the compliment and new title as well. Garage engineer has a nice ring to it.
@@MechanicGoneRogue I did say I would look into it didnt I
But unfortunately it's still hazy for me as life continued to be a bitch to put it mildly
Anyhow so as I understand semipermeable membranes can be used to have a sort of barrier to entry for ions, so unless there's an electromotive force on an ion to cross it will not, (very fancy usage in making some very regulated stuff in the EU)
Unfortunately that may mean that hydroxide ions will always be around.. or If my idea is correct you can just substitute hydroxide with another anion in the aluminum side to prevent the force from grabbing hydroxide from the other side of the solution... that being said I'm not sure what membrane could stop that but I do know a guy who might (I've reached interesting corners of the internet in this search I gotta say) I'll let you know via this comment thread if I get anything
And as for the name it had been used many times in many different forms, redneck engineer, ghetto engineer, garage engineer, mad man, mad scientist, dysfunctional geniuses (that last one may be personal to me) etc. But they all refer to the same group, and it's a mighty big pleasure having you with us
Yes you did say that. Of course if you do find anything on the subject I'd love to hear about it. Sounds like you've progressed a fair bit in your knowledge since we last talked as well. Keep up the good work.
Big thanks for nice down to earth videos.
Ideas:
1. If you revisit the old salt water electrolyte, it would be cool with a V/A/ Temperature comparance. Would also be interesting to see if a seawater solution would give any amperage and/or voltage at all. I also understand that there are many different variants of naturally occuring salts.
2. How about going nuts into lazyness. Your tests require a lot of fiddling and prepping. Why not start with the basic empty soda can, and try to find ready manufactured shapes that fit to this form factor?
Hey there. Thanks for the comment and the suggestions. It's funny you mentioned soda cans as I've been toying with some ideas involving them. Anyways, glad to hear you liked my videos. Cheers!
Very groovy stuff. Keep up the research and shared vulcan knowledge.
Rock on.
Haha glad you liked my video!!! I sure will. Cheers!
Some TiO2 , SiO2 or Al2O3 additive to the gel could greatly help the conductivity and the mechanical stability of the polymer "solid" electrolyte.
Good suggestion. Have you tried it? Aren't those materials insulators? Wouldn't something that's a conductor work better? I've tried something similar with MnO2 and that worked. I think I was successful because it's a catalyst for these batteries. What do you think?
@@MechanicGoneRogue When using polymers, in this case PVA you use them to improve ionic conductivity since they help mitigate issues related to the crystalline state of PVA. It’s a common practice in gel electrolytes where they are used as fillers. One other great advantage is their additional mechanical strength in the flexible fragile PVA. Carry out your experiments and see which percentage of those metal oxide fillers work best for your full cell configuration
Talking of a conductive material you could add some graphene, quite expensive or some carbon black-just make sure your separator membrane is strong enough to separate the electrically conductive positive and negative gel electrolyte
@@wwabete2009 Thanks for the detailed response. I hadn't realized that was a challenge with PVA electrolytes. I'll certainly keep that in mind as I continue working with them. Cheers!
The mechanic gone rogue is back at it again
Back at it!!! I never stopped!
OH SHIT HE'S BACK
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Hahaha Yessir. It's good to be back. Nice to hear from you again!
@@MechanicGoneRogue likewise
Note: I'm sorry if I informed you wrongly previously, but there are in fact *two* substances that go by the name PVA. PolyVinyl Alcohol, and PolyVinyl Acetate. To reduce confusion, research papers usually refer to the latter as PVAc, but the commercial retailers have not done so. They have different solubility and permeability properties and different consistencies, but it is technically possible to convert from the latter to the former.
To be honest I can't remember if you made the distinction previously, but I can certianly say that I found that out when I was trying to work with it. In the end though I felt that it was too finicky for what I was trying to accomplish.
Very nice video! Any thoughts on trying silica-gel? Not sure if it will work as a dielectirc , but might be worth a shot!
Hi there. Glad you liked the video. You know I've never considered it, but it could be a thing. I may have to try that. Thanks for sharing.
Can battery acid be added in gel batteries for top up
Maybe propylene glycol, sugar, silica gel.
Thanks for the suggestion. What makes you suggest these materials? I can't say I've worked with them much before.
imagine being so good you can make corn starch not cringe
^facts lol. It was totally not the direction I thought this project would take me in.
@@MechanicGoneRogue I mean that's how this kinda stuff works, it's a lovely piece of universal humor
But say, and I say this not knowing the theory for either gel or solid batteries but have you tried using sealing silicon?
No I can't say that thought crossed my mind....but now that you mention it. I'm curious to try it.
@@MechanicGoneRogue I got the idea from a fuse someone made that is meant to work underwater, the technique blew my mind since i didnt think the materials can work with no direct contact so hopefully silicon gel can help you too (silicon is abig atom so it should have enough space to diffuse is my headcannon, also i vaugely recall how it looks when it binds and it's not the hardest thing to diffuse through geometrically, again just purely intuition)
Hello, first of all, I just discovered your videos. I am writing from Turkey. There is a gentleman in the market, he says on TH-cam, I made battery gel, which no one knows, only I know its production and formula. He claims that no one can reach the formula and that no one knows how to make battery gel. I want to ask you this, do you have a video on making battery gel or is it an unattainable formula as this person said?
Could the other cool part be that the battery can be any shape with gel?
Absolutely that's another cool part. This really does open up alot of different configurations. Not to mention less mess.
How is the substance made?.
which is contained in a lithium battery؟
Sorry I don't think I can help you with that. I'm not very familiar with how lithium ion batteries are made.
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hi is this an experiment or I should use this process to make a battery
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