What Happens if You Delete the macOS Finder? - Krazy Ken's Tech Talk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ม.ค. 2020
- What happens if you delete the Finder on your Mac? It's always running, and it's your file manager, so it's kind of important to you and the operating system. But for fun, let's delete it, and see how the system responds. But also… let's see how we can troubleshoot!
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me : I want to go to sleep early
4 am :
What Happens if You Delete the macOS Finder?
Oh dang! If someone removes the Mac OS Finder, You delete it.
@@summisceouttpdonotblockcha2022 *If Someone Removes The Finder, It's Deleted
SMASHFANX thank you!
3:42am for me
Mohamad Tawil *i don’t need sleep i need answers*
2:23 Oh, my favourite game, Window!
s 9
(joke as they skipped win9 and I'm saying that mac is win9)
I once tried replacing the Finder in Mac OS 9.0.4 with the one from 9.2.2 and it worked. The About This Computer window said 9.2.2 but in reality it was 9.0.4 :D
Wow, that’s cool and surprising. I wouldn’t have expected that to work
How did you change it?
Hackerman
Hackerman
@@sentry1234 He Replaced The File
Fun fact: you can remove the Finder icon from the dock. What happens is: the icon reappears on every reboot and you have to "remove from dock" again. When removed, you can still use finder by either clicking on the desktop and pressing Command+N to create a new window or... launch it from the Applications folder using Finder itself or the terminal (or even spotlight).
"how you all doing?"
me: well, not really the best-
"really? thats just great!"
Stolen comment
Random girl stolen reply. I saw this on someone else’s comment.
@@sidewayzan You also stole a reply man, seriously?
ChirpyHasnain Stolen reply, wow dude.
tev dude why would you steal a reply YOU THEIF
What about an older version of Finder with a newer version of macOS or vice versa?
I actually tried that! Keep an eye on my Twitter because I'll share something I didn't show in the video.
@@ComputerClan Sweet!
Computer Clan cool!
@@TStudiosInc that wouldn't work, as the classic Mac's use a completely different architecture.
@@ComputerClan What happens when you delete system 32 on a Mac
I love the little freak out noise when he tries to drop it in the trash
That's actually a macOS alert noise, and there's an intriguing story behind it (involving a potential lawsuit). It's nuts! This video explains: bit.ly/clan2Gdujxd
It's the "Sosumi" sound. It was introduced in 1991 with System 7. AKA MacOS 7
It was then known as "Sonumi" starting with Big Sur.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy socks.
lol
Before watching:
Isn't the Finder itself also responsible for Desktop functions, like explorer.exe is managing the whole UI on Windows?
Yupp. Called it.
(Btw you probably can't delete it easily on modern macOS because SIP is protecting the running OS. It can be disabled via a command in the recovery OS.)
No, explorer.exe is not for managing the whole UI. DWM.exe is for managing the whole UI. Explorer.exe is for the desktop. Not the windows. You could use windows without explorer.exe, but you can't use dwm.exe. in fact, you can change the shell to whatever you want.
Uhh no, you didn't call it, because it's not true.
Agreed with the commenters. You can change your shell to Notepad.exe if you wanted to for some reason?? but I can only think of some very odd reasons like you want to limit the UI on one account and make it a ASCII Wordprocesser... but who does that??
@@TheGoatussmoothius It won't stop anyone from somehow launch explorer manually, though, but speaking of changing the default shell on Windows, I can think of two cases, firstly if you prefer some third party shell (got to mention that, before Windows 10 it would be one of the ways to get virtual desktops on Windows, but otherwise it's usually for having something lighter than explorer which can freeze up and taking a lot of CPU power for no reason sometimes), and secondly, for launching the system with the command prompt so that it's less stressful yet still perfectly functional.
@@Z9R. Got to ask this, when installing Windows Server with the "no GUI" configuration, is it that only explorer.exe and a whole bunch of GUI apps were left out during installation, or is it that even dwm.exe was left out? Giving that both the command prompt and the console can be accessed by another computer without using remote desktop, and additionally when using the server manager even those are not needed (at least not usually needed I guess), it's probably not ridiculous to have a version of Windows that can't run GUI apps at all.
*At the start:*
Computer Clan: "Hey guys how you all doing?"
Me: "Im--"
Computer Clan: "Really, that's just great!"
Stolen comment
@@TamjeedFN I didn’t know that
Disable SIP
sudo mount -uw /
sudo rm -rf /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app
THAT is the easiest way of doing this; you don’t need to mount the drive on another os or machine
Hmm. I think mounting a drive to another machine would still be easier. I mean… you just plug it in ; )
But your method works great, too!
Computer Clan the Unibody macbook he’s using has a pretty fragile hard drive cable. they often break under normal use without the hard drive moving at all, and it’s common to break them swapping hard drives in and out, so for most users, OP’s terminal commands are a simpler and safer option
@@richardgraham7076 "saver option" You literally want to delete parts of the OS! What safety?!
Computer Clan I Have An App Called AppCleaner. It Is Mainly For Deleting Apps And Their Subfolders. In The Preferences, You Can Choose To Remove Protection. I Think, From There, Finder Is Deletable.
Nikita Demodov he means hardware wise... Replacing the OS is free since it’s downloadable off the internet and technically free to all Mac users, hard drive cables aren’t and will cost money if broken...
Hi ken! Hope you have a blessed day.
This has got to be one of those questions we've secretly wanted to know, but were too afraid to try.
That's a hot intro. Also, notif gang! Keep it up, Ken!
Youknee Kin you’re right
His name is Krazy Ken but close enough.
Yes
I unsubbed 🤣
@@NexusLiteOS why?
OMG a question I always asked myself but never wanted to take the plunge on
Follow up: I'm loving the suggestion to use the terminal. I literally only use the terminal. I've always found finder kind of unintuitive.
also, the key to me defining & developing this super low level thing for work was hidden in a man page. I read so many effing RFCs and GFCE Triple-I docs and i literally could've just typed "man "
Just seen the notification! I’m gonna miss the old intro but amazing video as always ken!
Oh don't worry about the old intro. Whenever I do something that's more "Tech Misadventures" worthy, I'll still make videos for that series. ; )
1:02 without explorer you would have no Desktop and only able to open programs through task manager or cmd.
@Orion D. Hunter Win+R will not work because it only works if the shell (explorer) is running (task manager will work) Nice try though :(
Kitsune Silver task manager however will work, and has built in win+r, for anyone who didn’t know
@Evan Belanger True.
TaskKillIs Not To Open Programs, I Think, But CMD Doses
@@silentsiIver1 task manager run box still will work.
I don't even need to get through the ad to know the content is going to be a good show
If you restart in recovery mode, then open the terminal there, then type "csrutil disable" It will disable system integrity protection and allow you to do whatever you want in the library folder, thus allowing you to delete the finder in newer versions of mac os. Was playing around with this in my mojave virtual machine and was able to just delete the library folder and crash the system.
This video reminded me that I went through a period of time that my Finder would occasionally become corrupt. I quickly realized that I needed to make a clean copy of the Finder, and hide it somewhere. Then, when my Finder would become corrupt, I'd move a copy back into the System folder (yeah, this was pre-OSX days) At one point, I even decided to use a custom-modded Finder (added a command-Q quit command, and mucked with colors or something). When I moved to OSX, I kept that habit of keeping a backup Finder, and adding a Quit command to the Finder. Later, I discovered PathFinder, and simply quit the Finder and used that for a while, until they updated OSX to the point I had to pay to upgrade PathFinder. Maybe I should revisit PathFinder (I liked its integrated terminal pane). But the Finder has improved so much, though, I don't know what PathFinder would offer me today, other than that terminal.
something about your video gives me a really nice vibe, and i love it. this was an amazing video XD
Thank you. I really appreciate that.
I instantly knew cause im in the discord. Epic Intro
I love the Mac 20th Anniversary... Thing in the background. I need to watch your video on that.
Me: DON’T GO IN THE APPLE STORE
you: why?
Me: IT DOESN’T HAVE WINDOWS
what the....
The first Computer Clan video I ever watched. :)
Awesome.
I’m reminded of when I was in middle school messing around with a Macintosh II, I opened up Macintosh HD and basically just dragged literally everything to the trash and emptied it. It worked fine... until someone restarted it and then of course it refused to boot. I didn’t realize there were crucial system files there because when you insert a floppy, it would really be blank but the hard drive wasn’t... so I had to clean it up...
I love these videos.
On the bright side, you kill the file shell, the system's security vulnerabilities goes down. (in theory)
Did you know that Sue every version of Mac OS X the core services folder gets more stuff? and this video inspired me to search for the Core services folder
Wow cool vid big like man!
Love the new lair!
In the recovery console:
- system integrity protection protects the boot disk, so it protects the recovery disk and not the system disk, so the files can be moved/written to/read/deleted
- in catalina there is a volume split, you have to forcibly mount the drive with changing metadata flags or by installing an operating system clone with firmlinks or something
Thanks for making this video!!! The Finder broke on my BRAND NEW MacBook.
How does that even happen💀
I'm a bit surprised that Finder is actually just an app, to be honest. Sort of assumed it was something embedded more deeply into the OS - but I suppose it probably makes sense from a development point of view.
A lot of things in many OSes are actually just separate apps. It's all about abstraction-we never realize Finder is an actual separate app because most of the time we only see the interface, but it actually is if you dig deeper.
Another example is the ".app" files themselves-they're not some special magical file, they're actually just a container for all the compiled programs and resources for the app. You can just right-click on it and select "View Package Contents", and BAM, you've opened an entire app. Even ".exe" files on Windows are like this, but you can't easily open an EXE.
You know what’s an actual problem? Running out of disk space on the boot drive. If you have literally 0 bytes left (this can easily happen when you have lots of stuff opened, you run out of memory and the system creates a huge swap file) then it becomes impossible to delete anything. Even from terminal. I guess this is because it doesn’t have any space to update the file system structure. Closing programs also doesn’t work. While it will free up memory it won’t actually reduce the swap file size. Luckily they finally fixed this issue in the most recent macOS versions by always keeping 100 MB or so free.
3:50, Me: **laughs in Linux terminal**
Him say delete the MacOS finder
The finder icon still smiling
The MacOS finder
*chuckles* I’m on danger
in*
0:14 Thats a Microsoft Edge installed On macOS.
How ironic.
This one is not beta though . He using final version.
@@just_very_queer yeah i just mixed it up with beta
Throwback to the early 2000s when Internet Explorer came bundled wtih OS X
What's the irony here? What do you think was happened before Safari?
@@artvandelayimports And some mandatory education textbooks in China still got screenshots of webpages shown on a version of IE that runs on OS 9. Textbooks that got revisions every few years and nobody ever bothered just changing those pics.
I still want the full version of that intro theme tho
0:14 he uses MS Edge confirmed
👴🏻
me : where is my computer
TH-cam : computer tell ali where you are
Grandma: i dont like that little man. In the trash with ya
I actually figured out a way to quit Finder in Catalina and simply CMD+Q quits finder for me. I also learnt that you can tweak the finder as you like have a finder alternative installed as well.
The Finder is a daemon app (an app that constantly runs in the background) and killing daemon apps is usually fatal (Linux instantly kernel panics with "Attempted to kill init!" if you try to kill the init process). This isn't the case with the Finder though, but you'd rather keep that running.
More appropriate title: Finder deletes itself
I've never thought that you can actually deinstall the finder!! OMG
2:04 I don't know what caused it but I kept running into a bug where finder would freeze up or quit and wouldn't reopen and I would get cascading error messages sometimes. On the opposite side of that the system remains relatively stable and operational apart from being able to save files talk about a "windows" of stability that can't be said for other systems.
Great tips, and I use Quicksilver which has helped to get around some of those issues as well.
And I've had a couple occasions where apps have sat themselves over the menu bar and I've been unable to exit combine that with not wanting to quit without saving. Which and knowing the keyboard shortcuts to access the menu bar are very handy, if you don't know them have another computer handy so you can go into System Preferences to look them up.
Computer clan: how are you doing me:
Computer clan: welp I’m great too
4:58 It's probably worth mentioning that the version it installs via internet recovery is the version that came preinstalled when you bought the computer, not the latest compatible version, if I recall correctly. Guarantee a lot of people don't know that(well, a lot of people who aren't computer nerds)
So I thought that as well, but you have to press command option shift R to get the version that comes with your computer, command option R will just get the latest version available. Found out the hard way when I somehow managed to put high sierra on my Mac Mini with a spinning hard drive, and formatted the thing using APFS… I have absolutely no idea how I did that before it was supported, but I had to use the command option shift R method to be able to format the thing using HFS+. Otherwise it was like “noooo! You WILL use new tech”, and I’m just crying in the corner like “I’ve totally screwed my workstation which now takes over five minutes to boot!”
great video for when i want to finally end the life of that smug jerk that's always staring at me from the dock. always watching
*Sees video title*
Me: nevermind I still have terminal
this unlocked a memory of me in kindergarten trying to delete finder on one of the imac g4s in the computer lab when we were supposed to be playing thinkin things and then i got in trouble with the computer lab lady because we were told not to click on it. i just wanted to see what would happen tbh, you cant stop the curiosity that comes when a 5 year old is told not to touch something with no explination. my teacher later did explain what the "smiley face guy" as i called it back then does when i asked her though :)
@1:49 - if you don't want to delete the entire folder accidently, don't put the -r in the rm command. just run rm -f
"I used the finder to destroy the finder"
As a GNU/Linux user, I noticed that you used the command "sudo rm -rf /System/.../Finder.app". It is not necessary (and it is not recommended) NOT to use -rf with this command, because it not only deletes files (rm), but also directories (-rf). So the command should just be "sudo rm /System/.../Finder.app"
What do you mean? When I ran my command, the preceding directories were still there. Plus, Finder.app is not a single file. I don’t know the computer science-y term for it, but macOS calls it a package. Other OSs would interpret it as a folder.
I'm surprised that some people treat the command line as this magical dangerous thing that could either mess your entire system or save it but on linux it's just a normal application that you cannot live without and you have to use it every day
Tbh I actually use the terminal quite often on my Mac. When I want to write some script/webpage, I make a folder in the Finder, but then I use the _touch_ tool to make the HTML and CSS files because opening Xcode first consumes extra time.
when i used windows i used cmd.exe all the time. Switched to linux.
Explain that “conversion therapy” tuning. Neat graphic design!
Finder when u delete it : oh f*ck no
on newer macOS to delete finder go into recovery mode, disable system integrity protection, reboot, then delete finder
A portal opens in your room.
thanks you! for helping me with a bacup
macOS just means macaroni operating system
How about SMC reset option? Will that fix this Finder open issue? Just curious
Try installing a newer version of finder on an older version of macOS.
That actually makes the system say it's the OS version that used the new finder
Though the computer is still the same OS version.
Forklift is a great finder alternative
I once removed the springboard folder on an Jailbroken iPhone. And I have to say, it was so laggy and confused on what was going on. Ended up going on recovery mode and worked after
0:14
Smells like Edge Browser Video in KKTM
I love the thumbnail
Thank you : )
Hi Ken. Great videos. Very informative. Since upgrading to Catalina my mid 2012 MBP retina seems to be having a problem with a process called studentd crashing/locking up, which then causes other things to become very unstable. Any ideas how to fix?
Thanks for watching. I've never heard of that daemon process. Personally, I don't use Catalina. Hit it up on Google. When I can make some more time later, I might give it a peek.
Computer Clan yes, I have searched google about it but it wasn’t much help.
And here am I....puting my self in trouble again.🤓
So what happens if you replace the finder with another app? I assume that it would just error out because the finder is full of OS hooks and such.
That's… an interesting question. I'll have to tinker with that, one day…
Hey Deleting Terminal will be a lot of fun
I am the mighty finder, I can find anything, you may run Windows...but you can't hide from the ghost in the machine !!
YES!
So it comes full circle in OS X. Without the Finder, there's the command line interface, the very thing the Finder was created so you didn't have to use a command line.
He do be deleting finder doe 😳😳
nice
Michael Henson wow u r v funny got me on the floor laughing haha
noir thank you
😂
lmaooo
did you basically just take the airplay audio logo and edit it a bit for your logo?
Where do you learn about what commands do / are in terminal??
I’ve always wanted to know what happens if I were to force quit it.
3:55
T-shirt please!
Can you try to swap old and new finder?
I actually had something happen where Finder went completely crazy a few days ago. Don't know why I didn't think to use the terminal. xD
the background file explorer is for the taskbar and desktop. (plus win+r, win+x)
sick intro
Your video is amazing! very helpful and informative! You're really great with your Mac! My only problem is that most of everything with Mac doesn't usually work because most of the apps tend to crash or freeze for nothing. :(
I badly regret buying a Mac, it wasn't really my choice though, my late father suggests I should buy a Mac and he keeps telling me that NO VIRUS
would hurt it which I do believe it's true, in fact my Mac lasted longer than my previous Windows PC's! I have powerful and trustworthy anti virus software and clean up
but I still wish to go back to Windows and run my favorite programs again as Mac won't let me run certain programs that are only made for Mac. :(
Just run bootcamp or WINE
Your Mac won't let you run programs made for Mac?
You should be grateful for the protection your operating system is providing you, there is no safer computer than one that can't run anything, apart from one that is separated by an air-gap from all networks including power.
Just to be safe, also disconnect any keyboards or mice and put the computer in a wardrobe so nobody sees it.
Now with your computer safely disconnected from network and power, with no keyboard and mouse connected and hidden from prying eyes, you will find it does exactly what you expect and is almost completely secure against hackers.
what about using older finder versions on newer versions of MacOs, and the other way around?
I think to delete finder in modern macOS like Catalina you need to go to the recovery mode and type disable csrutil
Sounds like a challenge
i have somehow deleted finder but i didnt have a backup. think you can help? i cant restart it or quit it. :(((
i can relate because i accidentally deleted my whole *system* instead of only the /tmp folder
edit: i was using linux btw which has _almost_ the same folder structure
Almost same as explorer in win. I once moved my files from broken hard drive by loading from usb drive with os installer then i clicked on some terms or policy text and it opened notepad. by using open file window i moved all important files to flash drive. Sadly no progressbar was showing, but whole notepad froze and when done it goes back to usual.
Haha the thumbnail is funny
I have a Windows Computer
with VMware on it
so i downloaded mac os 10.10
so here what happends
when i download it
or power on it
it slows down the start up/booting up
my drive space was 40 gb
Much easier workaround for allowing deleting the app and or reading or writing to Catalina :)
sudo mount -uw /
in terminal allows you to
sudo rm
anything
Hi, I recently upgraded my Yosemite based "music mac mini" to Sierra due to some not-working plugins. I started experimenting finder issues, perhaps a corrupted "plist" file... But I had to install the whole system from a Super Duper clone several times. Sometimes it lasted two days working fine, sometimes it lasted only one day, finder disappeared and deleting "finder preferences plist"didn't fix anything. Then I went into High Sierra and it was the same: great 2 days and out of order again. Now I'm on a fresh installation of Mojave and success for two days. Tomorrow is day 3, wish me luck!
i have a mac powerbook g4 and it wont make the start up chime at all
plus im trying to update it to the last os its able to have which i think is leopard 10.5.. trying to do it by usb and so far i cant figure out how to make it work.. im at 10.4.11
You could delete the Finder, but I can't find Finder rule 34.
The Finder has froze on me before. Usually force quitting the Finder and restarting it will resolve the issue. You can do that like you do with any other app.
Is this really a big TH-camr that responds to comments?
Sure
Path finder has been my go to for the longest time, forklift wasn't a bad option either though
Don't use mac..
But seeing this competence.. makes me want to...