It's such a shame it's only quite a few of the big AAA productions that have them, and that they stopped being much of a thing after like 2012. We had Portal 2, L4D 1 & 2, Half-Life Episode 1 & 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Sly Cooper 1, TF 2, FEAR, Mark of the NInja, and The Chronicles of Riddick. The only ones I can think of recently are Half-Life Alyx, Ghost of Tsushima, Alan Wake, and the Last of Us duology, which have only been recorded from 2020 on, and only three of which originally came out after 2013. Like, imagine if we had developer commentary on Death Stranding (I know Kojima would probably love to do something like that), or the Horizon games, or espiecially the new God of War games? I mean, I understand that doing this for games is much more expensive than just making a DVD commentary track, but it would be nice if more developers bothered to include something like this.
Sure but not when they lie. The whole revenge plot??? Just reused from the first game. The first game originally had a similar revenge plot but Bruce and the dev team obviously tought it was horrible so they scrapped it neil then simply used it for the second game. But hey keep consuming littel guy.
As much as I'd love this,@@tymartucci745, it might be a bit much to ask lol If you do want something similar, tho, there is a playthrough of TLoU1 by Troy Baker and Nolan North. And they bring on a number of other actors who were in the game. Druckmann joins them, too. And theres a Livestream of Druckmann and Johnson playing Left Behind. That might scratch your itch a little
4:04:40 She left the guitar behind because she's done with that part of her life. Joel is dead, Deena is gone, Tommy is gone, the Fireflies are gone, Abby is gone, and most importantly, the self loathing is gone. It's time to start over. I think the 3rd game will see Ellie far away in a new settlement, living a regular life, but somehow get pulled into a new story due to the one thing she can't let go of ... the survivor guilt of being immune.
One guess is that she'll be a Joel-type figure, maybe the game instead starting with the Ellie-type younger character before eventually introducing Ellie so we get that revelatory moment of "Oh, this is where the game is gonna be headed!" It would be a nice way to come full circle, but then again, given how different Ellie's story in the sequel turned out to be, I think that would be a bit of a safe option. Only Neil Druckmann knows what the concept for the third game is right now, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
3:34:56 What's sad about what goes on in this scene is that by losing the purpose of the Fireflies mission (where many sacrifices were made to get there), and losing Joel, on top of failing to avenge him (and Jesse) in Seattle, I think she really does feel empty. Even if Tommy had not ever told or given her the information the scene before, there's a real chance she would have done something horrible. Depression on a scale Ellie would experience would be visceral, and even with what life with a loving partner and child she could stake, there were just too many reminders of how she never got to make things right with any such loss. So I agree with the commentary: she is just talking to the grief. Maybe that's the only way she can muster something in her to do anything, no matter how reckless, to make things right.
“Two more seconds, this girl is dead. So I already know what this feels like. I can see what I’m gonna feel like five seconds from now. And it’s no different…so why?” Incredible insight and character writing.
4:16:48 "But the interesting thing to me about it is this game is so much about tribalism and saying, 'I'm right and you're wrong.' And losing the nuance of that conversation. And so much of the conversation - years later now! - people are still arguing about it on that level and not seeing the *irony* that they're kind of proving the point of the story. "The way they're arguing about it, whether Joel was right or Abby was right or Ellie - and it's like, no one was right. No one was wrong. It's just messy and gross in the way that these conflicts usually are." Say it louder for the fans in the back who cannot get a grip - especially the ones who attacked the actors (Laura Bailey - she showed more grace than any of them deserved, honestly) and the creators of this beautiful game. Get. A. Grip. Beautiful lesson
Thanks a ton for sharing! I've played The Last of Us 2 countless times and I still can't get enough of it. The story is just so gripping. Neil really doesn't hold back, like when he decided to have Joel killed to really drive home the theme of hate. And now, listening to the cast break down each scene is just incredible. I've been having a rough month, but watching that video and hearing the cast members chat actually made me smile for the first time in ages. Thanks again for sharing!
If by "gripping" you mean a pacing mess with several instances (pretty much Abby's entire portion) pointless and have 0 bearing on story because you spend 3 hours going to a hospital for a character that dies 3 seconds after you help her.. then yeah really.. really..... Really gripping
@@gLobbZlook at the parallels between dreams in Ellie and Abby. Ellie can’t dream about Joel without envisioning him beaten up until the very end of the game, and Abby stops having her nightmares when she finally helps Yara and Lev. There’s no part of the story that’s pointless, Abby’s side is a reflection of Ellie’s, but in different periods of time. There was no intent by Naughty Dog to make one caracther seem better than the other - they all display human emotions, decisions, indecisions. Yara dying doesn’t make saving her futile. That day served as bonding between Lev and Abby, and it served to bring some sort of peace to Abby, albeit temporary. The hate you have for the story limits your vision, think further about the narratives and you’ll find that they’re full of insight. By the way, the pacing mess thing really doesn’t sit well with me. The story doesn’t work as well if you intertwine the days. Maybe some portions could have been cut, but nothing major
Neil noting that Laura and Ian's chemistry is what encouraged them to spare Lev, which eventually led to Abby living by the end, really cements why I think Abby Day 2 is probably the best section of the game. Not only do we get amazing setpieces (traveling across skyscrapers, the crane passages, the hospital Ground Zero and the Rat King), but we also get great character devlopment between Abby and Lev reminiscent of Ellie and Joel from the first game. The bond they forge is a mirror of what Ellie once had with her dad, the small happiness in a world where whay remains of humanity is likely the last of us. That’s the little hope we get by the game's very end - the bond between Abby and Lev survived, and they got to Catalina. They got to live, and hopefully be happy together for even a few years at least. I doubt we'll ever see them again, but I'm glad we have this bright spot at the end of this dark tunnel: there is still something beautiful in this broken world worth fighting for, maybe even a future. It's a nice contrast to the first game's more optimistic story and melancholic ending with Joel lying to Ellie. Instead, it's a melancholic story with an optimistic ending, at least for Abby.
1:49:55 I laugh out loud every time I play and this scene comes up. Ellie just one punches Owen, stunning him enough to make him lose his grip on the gun so she can shoot him. I think the director confused Ellie with Abby there.
After replaying the game a few years later I’ve gained a lot more respect for it. I don’t like a lot of the choices the directors made but I respect the risk and effort they put in to make this game . *SPOILER ALERt* it use to bother me at the end of the game when Ellie didn’t kill Abbie , because after everything it didn’t make sense to me, but after replaying and seeing Ellie’s ptsd and her having a panic attack mid fight I think her reaction makes sense at the end she was just completely drained by that point
take it from an old man like me, I got it the first time but it was still not an easy journey. Human love & hate are such a strong emotion to let go of... If it was me in Ellie's place, truly won't know if I would have been able to let it go and let Abby live. But with life experiences and heartaches and disappointments, it becomes much easier to process and appreciate the beauty AND tragedies of part 2.
@@roastpork5437 honestly after going through a ptsd inducing experience a few weeks prior to replaying the game it definitely helped me apreciate it more. It wasn’t as much as Ellie spared her I think she just had nothing left to give after having a panic attack mid strangling Abbie after all she went through including losing her finger(s)
3:56:20 She stopped because at that moment she finally realized she didn't hate Abby, she hated herself. She hated herself for being so selfish and not forgiving Joel when she had the chance.
Yep! She finally letting Abby go was her letting go of hating herself and to live on. Survivor's guilt is a tremendous rock on top of her that she put on herself and she was finally able to just let that rock roll off her.
I was always curious how much time passed in all those time lapses in the end. Neal said it was somewhat a year between fight in theater and Ellie leaving the farm. But how much time Abby and Lev spend in captivity? How much time Ellie spend on that last quest? Her fingers looks like fully healed.
4:03:38 I actually appreciate that part of the story with those details. Because what that tells me is that Joel is the sole purpose of Abby being alive. By Joel almost being ok with Ellie not forgiving him, which means he would have went back to his savage self with no care in the world because he lost yet another daughter. Not by death but by abandonment, which means Abby would have never gotten saved by that pack of infected people in the beginning and it wouldn't have put Ellie through all of this trouble, on her end. I didn't catch any of those details or tried to analyze those thought process while playing the game cause I was too pissed off and didn't want too. And that's what I'm saying, I wanna give this game credit but as far as writing goes, I understand that when it comes to this game, there's no good or bad, just survival, but I just didn't like how they wrote our loveable characters into villain like people to the point where half of their fan base done switched over just because of new characters who background isn't even all of that good. The ending of the first one was a masterpiece. Yeah Joel lied but him saving Ellie was heroic as hell in our eyes and us REAL Joel fans would have hated him, if he didn't save Ellie after everything they been through 💯💯
Controversial comment, but I felt Abby was the bigger person because she had let Ellie live 2 times.. 1st time Ellie and Tommy and 2nd time Ellie and Dina..
Both times someone else had to MAKE her let them live. Owen had to demand to everyone to let everyone live and the second time around she had a knife to someone's throat and when told they're pregnant she says "Good." If Lev didn't hop down into the basement she would have killed at the very least Dina Abby isn't the bigger person, in both encounters she's a monster reeled in by someone else
@@ronaldmcnugs Yes someone appealed to her to but the ultimate decision was hers.. And regarding holding a knife to Dina's throat, from her perspective just few hrs ago Ellie has killed her VERY pregnant friend in cold blood.. So from her perspective that revenge was justified, but then also she didn't go through with it, just on Lev's request, an enemy scar who she met just last night!!
@@ronaldmcnugs Owen may have demanded that "everyone" let Ellie and Tommy live, but Abby wasn't part of that. She was focused on Joel. When she came to, she told everyone, "We're done". It could have been like Owen didn't say a word. We also saw zero evidence that Abby does anything Owen says in the rest of the game.
For me... this was an amazing piece of art that I was allowed to be a part of and experience! It was traumatic and there was pain and confusion in relation to how I felt about it all..... but wow, what an ride! Thank you!!
Being freshman college graduate student that had classes of screenwriting, storytelling, character development, cinematography photography, image semiotics and color theory I can say that compared to 2020 my opinion of this game has drastically changed for good, I agree with Neil and company here and while is a game that makes think: "Dude this thing is too damn long I'm having Lord of the Rings Return of the King flashbacks again..... But is a damn entertaining story (ironically) wanna see through it" But yeah my thoughts are with ND folks and cast; I'll too see the irony of the reality of the message and real life context of the story: fans vs fans. I mean to each their own opinion but yeah sometimes you need to let go and just live things that are actually worth it.
2:53:58 what homage to Resident Evil does Neil mean here, the Rat King? If so, what is the Rat King referencing given how many messed up BOWs there are in Resident Evil lol
After all the trauma developers put us through in the end of the game,they owed us that healing hug between Joel and Ellie. Now we have that unclosed wound in our chests
1:17:54 Yeah Neil you definitely pulled a fast one and I was one of those fans that was heated lol. Ngl, when I first heard of the sequel, something told me that Joel was going to die in this one, however when I saw this particular scene, I thought to myself, "oh yeah we finna get another dynamic duo with our two favorite characters that we fell in love with from the 1st one. Obviously, It's still devastating that the story turned out the way it did but when I hear it from his perspective, I feel a little bit better and have more understanding. Based on this story, I don't even blame Abby for what happened to Joel anymore (I still don't like her but I love Laura Bailey), I blame her father Jerry.
Great commentary! About the game I always wonder how people still have gas for vehicles and working batteries for flashlights if nothing is in production on every level. And even if you could find some of those around they would not last forever...
Gameplay versus realism. Todd Howard was all about making Starfield having realistic systems for everything and what they found out was that it made the game not only tedious, but also seriously unfun. I think that in TLoU2 they struck a good balance even if that means fuel and powercells lasting forever.
1:42:25 I have to push back on this commentary which criticizes games for doing what Last of Us is doing right here: players take so much damage and keep on going like nothing has happened. Sure, they show the injuries, but the cinematic is disconnected from the game in that the injuries means nothing because Ellie still runs, jumps, and swims like nothing happened.
Gameplay wise, youre right. But I interpret the point to have been to show the player the physical, as well as the mental and emotional, toll that Ellie was racking onto herself. If that makes sense. In that regard, the cinematic is not disconnected from the game at all, we're watching Ellie devolve into this monster of grief, self-hatred, revenge, and violence yknow? They wanted to show how her quest was destroying her in all respects. I felt that it was more aimed at illustrating to the player these aspects rather than actually disrupting gameplay with her injuries (otherwise they would implemented that kind of mechanic). If that makes sense.
@@prentisserrano6696 I get what they were tying to do and what the commentator is saying, but it's still weak compared to how the game actually demonstrates how the mental and emotional toll affects the story. They show her banged up, but it doesn't affect the story. Now, if they showed her failing to accomplish something, not through gameplay, but in a cinematic because she is so injured she just can't get it done ... that's a physical toll that's breaking her down. Bottom line, if the injuries have no consequences, then there's no difference from other games.
Good question considering Bruce didn’t work on Part 2 at all I believe. He only worked on the first game, though was instrumental in that game’s story so maybe giving him some credit even though he didn’t play a part in Part 2, these were still stemming from a lot of his ideas and character development. (Just a guess)
@@_Slaybase well I ask because when I finished Part 2 on PS4 when it came out I don’t remember any mention of Bruce Straley but I do remember there was controversy for the TV Show only acknowledging Neil as the sole creator of TLOU and that apparently Bruce was actively hushed and not consulted because Neil said not to. Maybe this was a way of sort of giving credit where credit is due as an apology? If so it’s kinda funny that they were essentially bullied into acknowledging someone they don’t wanna praise. By they I mean mostly Neil cause he famously despised Bruce and Amy Hennig.
It may sound weird to ask, but why do they react the way they do at 11:38? Is it because they think that it's awkward, because it's one of the last nice moments with Joel, or something else?
I have no idea why. Mine encompasses everything. I think some of the others skipped some commentary scenes. I made sure to include every commentary available in mine including the end credits commentary which I know a few other channels didn't include. @@Streifen1911
Not surprised the commentary didn't change my opinion on this game. They still dismiss the hate to just because of the leaks and assume everyone must have been invested in their "intentions".
Director commentaries are so cool no matter what game. Ever since the original Portal, I've loved hearing them.
It's such a shame it's only quite a few of the big AAA productions that have them, and that they stopped being much of a thing after like 2012. We had Portal 2, L4D 1 & 2, Half-Life Episode 1 & 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Sly Cooper 1, TF 2, FEAR, Mark of the NInja, and The Chronicles of Riddick. The only ones I can think of recently are Half-Life Alyx, Ghost of Tsushima, Alan Wake, and the Last of Us duology, which have only been recorded from 2020 on, and only three of which originally came out after 2013. Like, imagine if we had developer commentary on Death Stranding (I know Kojima would probably love to do something like that), or the Horizon games, or espiecially the new God of War games? I mean, I understand that doing this for games is much more expensive than just making a DVD commentary track, but it would be nice if more developers bothered to include something like this.
Sure but not when they lie. The whole revenge plot??? Just reused from the first game. The first game originally had a similar revenge plot but Bruce and the dev team obviously tought it was horrible so they scrapped it neil then simply used it for the second game. But hey keep consuming littel guy.
1:51:03 never noticed after Ellie kills Owen and Mel they have Joel say Ellie when Tommy says it cuz she’s freakin out that’s such a subtle detail
The commentary is the best part of the remaster
I also love No Return
I wish they played the game we miss so much of what they could’ve have been thinking during the gameplay itself
As much as I'd love this,@@tymartucci745, it might be a bit much to ask lol
If you do want something similar, tho, there is a playthrough of TLoU1 by Troy Baker and Nolan North. And they bring on a number of other actors who were in the game. Druckmann joins them, too.
And theres a Livestream of Druckmann and Johnson playing Left Behind. That might scratch your itch a little
Ahh… what I would do to play TLOU II for the first time all over again.. this game is truly amazing.
4:04:40 She left the guitar behind because she's done with that part of her life. Joel is dead, Deena is gone, Tommy is gone, the Fireflies are gone, Abby is gone, and most importantly, the self loathing is gone. It's time to start over. I think the 3rd game will see Ellie far away in a new settlement, living a regular life, but somehow get pulled into a new story due to the one thing she can't let go of ... the survivor guilt of being immune.
Dont think shes past all this shes nowhere near done processing all the trauma she has major ptsd etc
One guess is that she'll be a Joel-type figure, maybe the game instead starting with the Ellie-type younger character before eventually introducing Ellie so we get that revelatory moment of "Oh, this is where the game is gonna be headed!" It would be a nice way to come full circle, but then again, given how different Ellie's story in the sequel turned out to be, I think that would be a bit of a safe option. Only Neil Druckmann knows what the concept for the third game is right now, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
3:34:56 What's sad about what goes on in this scene is that by losing the purpose of the Fireflies mission (where many sacrifices were made to get there), and losing Joel, on top of failing to avenge him (and Jesse) in Seattle, I think she really does feel empty. Even if Tommy had not ever told or given her the information the scene before, there's a real chance she would have done something horrible. Depression on a scale Ellie would experience would be visceral, and even with what life with a loving partner and child she could stake, there were just too many reminders of how she never got to make things right with any such loss. So I agree with the commentary: she is just talking to the grief. Maybe that's the only way she can muster something in her to do anything, no matter how reckless, to make things right.
3:05:33 that actually hit fr- “in another world.”
“Two more seconds, this girl is dead.
So I already know what this feels like. I can see what I’m gonna feel like five seconds from now. And it’s no different…so why?”
Incredible insight and character writing.
4:16:48
"But the interesting thing to me about it is this game is so much about tribalism and saying, 'I'm right and you're wrong.' And losing the nuance of that conversation. And so much of the conversation - years later now! - people are still arguing about it on that level and not seeing the *irony* that they're kind of proving the point of the story.
"The way they're arguing about it, whether Joel was right or Abby was right or Ellie - and it's like, no one was right. No one was wrong. It's just messy and gross in the way that these conflicts usually are."
Say it louder for the fans in the back who cannot get a grip - especially the ones who attacked the actors (Laura Bailey - she showed more grace than any of them deserved, honestly) and the creators of this beautiful game. Get. A. Grip. Beautiful lesson
Thanks a ton for sharing! I've played The Last of Us 2 countless times and I still can't get enough of it. The story is just so gripping. Neil really doesn't hold back, like when he decided to have Joel killed to really drive home the theme of hate. And now, listening to the cast break down each scene is just incredible. I've been having a rough month, but watching that video and hearing the cast members chat actually made me smile for the first time in ages. Thanks again for sharing!
If by "gripping" you mean a pacing mess with several instances (pretty much Abby's entire portion) pointless and have 0 bearing on story because you spend 3 hours going to a hospital for a character that dies 3 seconds after you help her.. then yeah really.. really..... Really gripping
@@gLobbZlook at the parallels between dreams in Ellie and Abby. Ellie can’t dream about Joel without envisioning him beaten up until the very end of the game, and Abby stops having her nightmares when she finally helps Yara and Lev. There’s no part of the story that’s pointless, Abby’s side is a reflection of Ellie’s, but in different periods of time.
There was no intent by Naughty Dog to make one caracther seem better than the other - they all display human emotions, decisions, indecisions.
Yara dying doesn’t make saving her futile. That day served as bonding between Lev and Abby, and it served to bring some sort of peace to Abby, albeit temporary.
The hate you have for the story limits your vision, think further about the narratives and you’ll find that they’re full of insight.
By the way, the pacing mess thing really doesn’t sit well with me. The story doesn’t work as well if you intertwine the days.
Maybe some portions could have been cut, but nothing major
@@gLobbZ womp womp
@@gLobbZ arthur helped john in rdr2, but dies in rdr, ur point?
Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like uh, your opinion, man.@@gLobbZ
Neil noting that Laura and Ian's chemistry is what encouraged them to spare Lev, which eventually led to Abby living by the end, really cements why I think Abby Day 2 is probably the best section of the game. Not only do we get amazing setpieces (traveling across skyscrapers, the crane passages, the hospital Ground Zero and the Rat King), but we also get great character devlopment between Abby and Lev reminiscent of Ellie and Joel from the first game. The bond they forge is a mirror of what Ellie once had with her dad, the small happiness in a world where whay remains of humanity is likely the last of us. That’s the little hope we get by the game's very end - the bond between Abby and Lev survived, and they got to Catalina. They got to live, and hopefully be happy together for even a few years at least. I doubt we'll ever see them again, but I'm glad we have this bright spot at the end of this dark tunnel: there is still something beautiful in this broken world worth fighting for, maybe even a future. It's a nice contrast to the first game's more optimistic story and melancholic ending with Joel lying to Ellie. Instead, it's a melancholic story with an optimistic ending, at least for Abby.
Shannon going “Did I do that?” every 5 seconds 😂😅
1:49:55 I laugh out loud every time I play and this scene comes up. Ellie just one punches Owen, stunning him enough to make him lose his grip on the gun so she can shoot him. I think the director confused Ellie with Abby there.
Hahaha
how's that saying go? everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face lol
3:48:48
"But again she’s not gonna stop"
"She can’t……..Not yet……."
Chills. 😮💨
After replaying the game a few years later I’ve gained a lot more respect for it. I don’t like a lot of the choices the directors made but I respect the risk and effort they put in to make this game . *SPOILER ALERt* it use to bother me at the end of the game when Ellie didn’t kill Abbie , because after everything it didn’t make sense to me, but after replaying and seeing Ellie’s ptsd and her having a panic attack mid fight I think her reaction makes sense at the end she was just completely drained by that point
take it from an old man like me, I got it the first time but it was still not an easy journey. Human love & hate are such a strong emotion to let go of... If it was me in Ellie's place, truly won't know if I would have been able to let it go and let Abby live.
But with life experiences and heartaches and disappointments, it becomes much easier to process and appreciate the beauty AND tragedies of part 2.
@@roastpork5437 honestly after going through a ptsd inducing experience a few weeks prior to replaying the game it definitely helped me apreciate it more. It wasn’t as much as Ellie spared her I think she just had nothing left to give after having a panic attack mid strangling Abbie after all she went through including losing her finger(s)
2:14:30 Isaac eats some of the apple
2:16:10 Apple magically disappears from Isaac's hand 🤔
NEEEEIL
he eats fast
@@mellomoose_ He even ate the core. That's how bad ass Isaac was
3:56:20 She stopped because at that moment she finally realized she didn't hate Abby, she hated herself. She hated herself for being so selfish and not forgiving Joel when she had the chance.
Yep! She finally letting Abby go was her letting go of hating herself and to live on. Survivor's guilt is a tremendous rock on top of her that she put on herself and she was finally able to just let that rock roll off her.
If I didn't have bfs who only watched the show and I can't risk spoiling them, I would be obsessing over this remaster
Thank you for uploading!
I was always curious how much time passed in all those time lapses in the end. Neal said it was somewhat a year between fight in theater and Ellie leaving the farm. But how much time Abby and Lev spend in captivity? How much time Ellie spend on that last quest? Her fingers looks like fully healed.
Thank you so much for uploading this 💚
4:03:38 I actually appreciate that part of the story with those details. Because what that tells me is that Joel is the sole purpose of Abby being alive. By Joel almost being ok with Ellie not forgiving him, which means he would have went back to his savage self with no care in the world because he lost yet another daughter. Not by death but by abandonment, which means Abby would have never gotten saved by that pack of infected people in the beginning and it wouldn't have put Ellie through all of this trouble, on her end.
I didn't catch any of those details or tried to analyze those thought process while playing the game cause I was too pissed off and didn't want too. And that's what I'm saying, I wanna give this game credit but as far as writing goes, I understand that when it comes to this game, there's no good or bad, just survival, but I just didn't like how they wrote our loveable characters into villain like people to the point where half of their fan base done switched over just because of new characters who background isn't even all of that good. The ending of the first one was a masterpiece. Yeah Joel lied but him saving Ellie was heroic as hell in our eyes and us REAL Joel fans would have hated him, if he didn't save Ellie after everything they been through 💯💯
Thank you for this🙏🙏
Controversial comment, but I felt Abby was the bigger person because she had let Ellie live 2 times.. 1st time Ellie and Tommy and 2nd time Ellie and Dina..
I agree 100%
Both times someone else had to MAKE her let them live.
Owen had to demand to everyone to let everyone live and the second time around she had a knife to someone's throat and when told they're pregnant she says "Good." If Lev didn't hop down into the basement she would have killed at the very least Dina
Abby isn't the bigger person, in both encounters she's a monster reeled in by someone else
@@ronaldmcnugs I agree 100%
@@ronaldmcnugs Yes someone appealed to her to but the ultimate decision was hers.. And regarding holding a knife to Dina's throat, from her perspective just few hrs ago Ellie has killed her VERY pregnant friend in cold blood.. So from her perspective that revenge was justified, but then also she didn't go through with it, just on Lev's request, an enemy scar who she met just last night!!
@@ronaldmcnugs Owen may have demanded that "everyone" let Ellie and Tommy live, but Abby wasn't part of that. She was focused on Joel. When she came to, she told everyone, "We're done". It could have been like Owen didn't say a word. We also saw zero evidence that Abby does anything Owen says in the rest of the game.
For me... this was an amazing piece of art that I was allowed to be a part of and experience! It was traumatic and there was pain and confusion in relation to how I felt about it all..... but wow, what an ride! Thank you!!
Being freshman college graduate student that had classes of screenwriting, storytelling, character development, cinematography photography, image semiotics and color theory I can say that compared to 2020 my opinion of this game has drastically changed for good, I agree with Neil and company here and while is a game that makes think: "Dude this thing is too damn long I'm having Lord of the Rings Return of the King flashbacks again..... But is a damn entertaining story (ironically) wanna see through it"
But yeah my thoughts are with ND folks and cast; I'll too see the irony of the reality of the message and real life context of the story: fans vs fans.
I mean to each their own opinion but yeah sometimes you need to let go and just live things that are actually worth it.
2:53:58 what homage to Resident Evil does Neil mean here, the Rat King? If so, what is the Rat King referencing given how many messed up BOWs there are in Resident Evil lol
After all the trauma developers put us through in the end of the game,they owed us that healing hug between Joel and Ellie. Now we have that unclosed wound in our chests
1:17:54 Yeah Neil you definitely pulled a fast one and I was one of those fans that was heated lol.
Ngl, when I first heard of the sequel, something told me that Joel was going to die in this one, however when I saw this particular scene, I thought to myself, "oh yeah we finna get another dynamic duo with our two favorite characters that we fell in love with from the 1st one. Obviously, It's still devastating that the story turned out the way it did but when I hear it from his perspective, I feel a little bit better and have more understanding. Based on this story, I don't even blame Abby for what happened to Joel anymore (I still don't like her but I love Laura Bailey), I blame her father Jerry.
this story rips my heart open every time I see it. what a masterpiece. although i feel like the story is concluded, i hope they make another one.
Great commentary! About the game I always wonder how people still have gas for vehicles and working batteries for flashlights if nothing is in production on every level. And even if you could find some of those around they would not last forever...
Gameplay versus realism. Todd Howard was all about making Starfield having realistic systems for everything and what they found out was that it made the game not only tedious, but also seriously unfun. I think that in TLoU2 they struck a good balance even if that means fuel and powercells lasting forever.
26:04-26:45
Me: No comment.
2:40:31-2:41:16
Me: What did I just look at?
one thing I never understood is why didn't they wait until Ellie was awake and let her make the decision
1:42:25 I have to push back on this commentary which criticizes games for doing what Last of Us is doing right here: players take so much damage and keep on going like nothing has happened. Sure, they show the injuries, but the cinematic is disconnected from the game in that the injuries means nothing because Ellie still runs, jumps, and swims like nothing happened.
Gameplay wise, youre right. But I interpret the point to have been to show the player the physical, as well as the mental and emotional, toll that Ellie was racking onto herself. If that makes sense. In that regard, the cinematic is not disconnected from the game at all, we're watching Ellie devolve into this monster of grief, self-hatred, revenge, and violence yknow? They wanted to show how her quest was destroying her in all respects. I felt that it was more aimed at illustrating to the player these aspects rather than actually disrupting gameplay with her injuries (otherwise they would implemented that kind of mechanic). If that makes sense.
@@prentisserrano6696 I get what they were tying to do and what the commentator is saying, but it's still weak compared to how the game actually demonstrates how the mental and emotional toll affects the story. They show her banged up, but it doesn't affect the story. Now, if they showed her failing to accomplish something, not through gameplay, but in a cinematic because she is so injured she just can't get it done ... that's a physical toll that's breaking her down. Bottom line, if the injuries have no consequences, then there's no difference from other games.
The video would be so much better if you edited the loading out
4:13:10 was this credit in the original or did they add this “sincere thanks to Bruce Straley” in the remaster?
Good question considering Bruce didn’t work on Part 2 at all I believe. He only worked on the first game, though was instrumental in that game’s story so maybe giving him some credit even though he didn’t play a part in Part 2, these were still stemming from a lot of his ideas and character development. (Just a guess)
@@_Slaybase well I ask because when I finished Part 2 on PS4 when it came out I don’t remember any mention of Bruce Straley but I do remember there was controversy for the TV Show only acknowledging Neil as the sole creator of TLOU and that apparently Bruce was actively hushed and not consulted because Neil said not to.
Maybe this was a way of sort of giving credit where credit is due as an apology? If so it’s kinda funny that they were essentially bullied into acknowledging someone they don’t wanna praise. By they I mean mostly Neil cause he famously despised Bruce and Amy Hennig.
@@DroolingDrillingNo, they didn’t add it with the remaster. It was there even in the original.
It may sound weird to ask, but why do they react the way they do at 11:38? Is it because they think that it's awkward, because it's one of the last nice moments with Joel, or something else?
Yea just awkward because she’s a teenager and he’s trying to be all dad-like and connect with her.
@@_Slaybase I´m a bit late but thanks!
Why're some of these such different lengths?
What do you mean?
@@_Slaybase some of these part 2 commentaries are like an hour longer or shorter than others.
I have no idea why. Mine encompasses everything. I think some of the others skipped some commentary scenes. I made sure to include every commentary available in mine including the end credits commentary which I know a few other channels didn't include. @@Streifen1911
3:12:18
35:42 hate this scene
The commentary section with Issac confirmed to me even more that Seraphites & WLFs are an allegory for the Palestine/Israel conflict
3:37:37 i was totally on board with hunting Abby big ass down she has to die and tlou3 better be Ellie finishing the job.
He has “mixed feelings” about lying to his fans.
Not surprised the commentary didn't change my opinion on this game. They still dismiss the hate to just because of the leaks and assume everyone must have been invested in their "intentions".
God this is some serious cringe. Neil explaining his writing process makes you roll your eyes so far to the back of your head
Elaborate
Everyone’s writing process is different. What is cringe about his?
yet you clicked the video, sat through enough of it to hear him talk, chose to stay long enough to leave a comment... That's the real cringe.
honesty people have been radicalized@@AdamChubes
@@AdamChubesBecause if he didn't you would say his opinion didn't matter.