A little boy went to his pastor and told him that he wanted to be Baptized. The preacher said, " I see,why do you want to be Baptized ".The little boy said," because I'm saved."Oh "said the preacher," how do you think that happened " . The boy replied," well,I did my part and Jesus did the rest" .The preacher frowned and said,"Son,God does it all". The boy said," right,I did my part and Jesus did His part,I did the sinning and Jesus did the saving".
All these people commenting and objecting to Durbin's theology... did you even watch the video?! Haha. He answers just about every objection I'm seeing in the comments. Goes to show, we tend to argue without listening.
Andrew-a-Dale by your comments you must be an admirer of Durbin's theology. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed. If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Andrew.
Bruce Darlington Jr, noted you are 5-point believer. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed. They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed. If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Bruce.
Bruce Darlington , Jesus is Lord and nobody can deny it but 5-point, 4 point or 3-point is a heretical teaching as it originates from a sinful, pride man, Calvin who masterminded the murder of his old college mate, Michael Servetus, a premeditated act of murderous hatred for which he showed no remorse but actually boasted of his evil deeds. Did God predestinate some to eternal life and other to eternal damnation as Calvin taught? Quote to me the verses or its concept mentioned in the bible, if you dare? Calvinism preached the golden chain of redemption for the elect in Rom8 can't be broken whereas calvin's own chain was broken by his own followers of the 5-pointer, 4-pointer, 3-pointer and may be the coming of the 0-pointer as well.
The more I studied scripture of the more I am realizing the reformed theology and Calvinism are truly following scripture, 🎉 "I love that analogy of the judge and the criminals"
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
@@Mike-qt7jp Yes, I understand the verses, and there is the mystery of our different theological perspectives, but from my studies, I lean more towards the opposite of choice and free will, I lean towards God sovereignty and choice, not ours, that's my understanding of the Bible.
@giorgiodechambre6798 predestination is real, but Calvinism mis-defines it. Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically. The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved. Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious. The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some. If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”
Does this mean that God's counsel can never be rejected in Acts 2.23? Meaning God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge will always be what happens? "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"
Why is everyone in this comment section so mean spirited and hateful? To deny Calvinism is one thing, but to brutally bash a man who is presenting clear scripture is outright embarrassing. Are we not to love our brother in Christ?
Question: Was the Apostle Paul in the wrong when he rebuked Peter for adding circumcision to the Gospel? Should he have left it alone as to not 'cause a division'? No, The love in our hearts for fellow believers moves us to lead them to truth. Like, telling a friend they're headed for a cliff. God bless you, friend. :)
God knows who will be saved and who won't be, but that does not mean he'll stop trying to save everyone. Everyone is the elect, as everyone is equally valuable. No one would be saved otherwise.
"Everyone is the elect". Where is that in Scripture? Also, "everyone is equally valuable", if we're dead in our sins, as Ephesians 2 says, then what value do we have? None whatsoever. Those whom Jesus saves are not saved because God found some worth or value in them, because there is not a single ounce of value or worth in any of us as sinners. God saves solely on His sovereign will, on His choice, and because He chose to show grace. Romans 9 addresses it.
I like the idea that is raised that we have nothing to do with our salvation but I wondered what Paul meant when he said that we all need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Would love some input on this. Thank you Jeff for this series and all you do in the name of our Lord.
Sir, l love the truth of God's absolute sovereignty but why do we even have to mention calvin. Leave man out--- let God be true and every man a liar. Leave calvin out--- just stay with all the wonderful truth in scripture. There are so many out there obsessively obsessed with calvin
the last 2yrs up here in kamloops british columbia i have been unable to convince people of truth as they are all mind-controlled by the religious establishment of lies and fear as the church has been shut down due to the worship of caesar. the small gathering that i attend have expressed that they have bowed and so im left with no other means than to come out from her. please grant me suggestions.
Apologia Studios: How do explain your logo? The Triquetra, which is an old Occult symbol, commonly used for witchcraft and Satanism? The Triquetra is said to be three intertwining sixes. It's a common symbol used by Free Masons, which for those who have researched the Free Masons, know they are a Luciferian cult. The dual faces, and black and white, theme... Also used in your logo, is also common Free Mason symbolism. Do you have a solid explanation or argument, for this?
Really? I thought it was a symbol to represent the Trinity.... Although I believe Apologia is corrupted, I doubt they know their logo is a Satanic symbol.
CriticalThinker02 They believe Christ died only for some, that, is a corrupt Gospel. 1 John 1;29, 1 John 2;2, 1 John 4;4, 2 Corinthians 5;14, Romans 5;18, 1 Tim 2:6, and 1 Tim 4:10... I've seen you a couple times on some other threads, Must say.... You're doin' a fine work! God bless ya', friend
Well, a lot of old Occult symbols get adopted by other groups, at some point. Usually, they are intentionally introduced to other groups, for the reason of making them, unknowing participants. Take the "Devil Horns" hand sign, for example... Yes, you see it in Rock music. Many just believe it means "Rock on". It was actually introduced to Rock music, with a false meaning, to get people to be unknowing participants. In the Occult, Luciferianism, Satanism, (All the same crap, just various packaging)... They believe that even if someone is unknowingly performing a ritualistic act, or gesturing symbols... It still has power. So, while people at a Rock concert, may think they are throwing up a hand sign, meaning "Rock on", to the Occultist, they are still saying "Hail Satan", and it's power remains the same. The Triquetra, was introduced to churches the same way... Having a Satanic meaning but, introduced to the churches with a false meaning, "Holy Trinity", making them unknowing participants, invoking Satanic power. The "Triangle" hand sign? Same thing. You would think that someone in Jeff Durbin's position, would have done his homework on this stuff... But, then again... He could be one of those people, "But, that's not what it means to me!" Who knows.
y26op That’s funny that you mention Durbin’d logo. He is in close affiliation with James White. He too has several “Masonry” objects in his office where he makes his videos. It helps to confirm my suspicions that Calvinism is a cult. I hope not. I hope that if anyone who followed these men, heard biblical truth, they would instantly turn from their teachings. It doesn’t seem that way though. Blessings.
People who say predestination or faith alone, is not from the bible BUT where does it says God SAVES ONLY those but what it does say is God desire's to save all? Eze 18 Jn 3:16 and so forth ANOTHER thing going on about their understanding, then the sinner would not repent nor would seek forgiveness? Yet God warns the righteous NOT to fall into sin as then his righteousness would not be counted for anything. ALL are free none compelled.
Werner Heisenberg because the elect are called by God through his word, very often his word being preached. we have the privilege of calling. we don't know who's elect, so we have to preach to everyone.
CriticalThinker02 I see what you're saying. We don't believe that we can change someone from non-elect to elect, or persuade a non-elect person. What we do believe is that God commands us to preach, because our preaching is one of the things God uses to draw his elect to himself. We've been given the privilege of being part of the "calling" mentioned in Romans 8. We do not foreknow, or predestine, we don't justify or glorify, but God calls through us. Also, when unelect people hear preaching and reject the message, God is glorified in his justice even more, because he sent his people with a message of reconciliation and they rejected it.
CriticalThinker02 the message of the gospel doesn't require that every person can actually obey. the message is simple - repent and believe. only those whom God grants repentance and belief will repent and believe.
Calvinism is based on the wrong view, and unbiblical view, of God's sovereignty. Destroy predestination and the Calvinist will be set free. Watch "Calvanism, Predestnation, and Freewill - Richard Jordan" and get ready to have your world view turned upside down on it's head. (the video is misspelled so make sure to copy paste exactly)
@ 11:21 Jeff states that the first display of revolt against God’s Sovereignty was in the Garden of Eden. I agree. But i sn’t it also ironic that this is also the very first instance of Satan taking away from the Words of what God actually said by removing the word “FREELY” when he was quoting God in Genesis 3:1. Let’s read carefully the account if what God originally told man in Genesis 2:16-17: GENESIS 2:16-17 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. ...Now Let’s look at the beginning of the very next chapter where Satan deceives Eve and misquotes what God actually told her: GENESIS 3:1-3 1 Now the serpent was more SUBTIL than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, YEA, HATH GOD SAID, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: - If you look closely you will see that Satan the father of lies misquoted God and left out the word “FREELY” in verse 1 which God had originally said in Genesis 3:16 when He said, “...Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat.” **SATAN first rebelled against the Sovereignty of God which gave man free will and took away the words that God had said. SATAN took away the word “FREELY” and ironically reformers still do today. GOD: “...Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat.” SATAN: “Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” SATAN clearly removes the word “FREELY.” **Similar to playing the game “telephone” in that when the message finally gets to the intended person it is nothing like the original message. REVELATION 22:19 19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. ** Take heed reformers lest you take away from God’s Word when He’s Sovereignly given mankind freewill and Sovereignly chooses to save only those who freely believe in His Son. Take heed lest you take away man’s freewill just like SATAN the father of lies did in the Garden.
In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."
...God clearly says what happened to mankind and His nature after the fall and in fact man’s eyes were OPENED and not closed. Mankind actually became ABLE to know good and evil because of the fall and NOT unable. Mankind actually became MORE like God just speaking in the regard that they could distinguish and KNOW good and evil: GENESIS 3:22 22 And the LORD GOD SAID, Behold, the MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ************************************ In Genesis 4:7 literally right after the fall God tells us right away in the very next story of freewill and our responsibility to do well. Almost like He’s actually confirming that it WASN’T LOST in the fall. Cain and able both brought freewill offerings to the Lord. God gives Cain the clear human responsibility and the clear moral consequences if he chooses to obey or not: “IF THOU DOEST WELL...” God DOESN’T say, “If I effectually cause you to do well,” or “If I make you do well.” THE RESPONSIBILITY IS CLEARLY GIVEN TO MAN. GENESIS 4:3-7 3 AND IN PROCESS OF TIME IT CAME TO PASS, THAT CAIN BROUGHT OF THE FRUIT OF THE GROUND AN OFFERING UNTO THE LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 IF THOU DOEST WELL, SHALT THOU NOT BE ACCEPTED? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. God clearly outlines the effects of the fall in Genesis 3. I fail to see any mention of anything to do even remotely with a total inability to respond to Him.
Mama Jedi Hi thanks for the reply bit I think you misunderstood what I was getting at. I agree with you God wants to show us the consequences of a decision we see that all throughout scripture where it’s “IF” you do “this”, THEN I will do “that.” BUT, “IF” you do “that”, THEN I will do “this.” DEUTERONOMY 30:19 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed MAY LIVE: God reasons with us by setting before us life and death and pleading with us to CHOOSE LIFE. How do we choose life? By faith in Christ. His terms that can’t be negotiated but He’s patient with us not willing that any should perish and so He works with us and reasons with us showing us our sin and our need for Him so we turn to Him in faith. I’m not trying to say by choosing to do good we can somehow save ourselves and do t need Christ. He is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except THROUGH Him. My argument is that we are totally depraved and separated from God and in need of a saviour and can’t save ourselves as a result of the Fall. But that does NOT mean we have the inability to freely believe in what Christ did for us as reformers falsely believe.
Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically. The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved. Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious. The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some. If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”
I believe “TULIP” theology to be unscriptural. On the other hand, I am not an Arminian and I believe in eternal security. Total inability means sinners are unable to come to Christ unless they are first regenerated. But the Bible teaches that a man is born again when he believes, not before he believes. “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12). Unconditional election means God arbitrarily chose some people for heaven, and others for hell. But the Bible says that God is, “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (II Peter 3:9; cf. I Tim. 2:4). Limited atonement means Christ died only for the elect. But First John 2:2 says, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Hebrews 2:9 says, “that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man” (cf. also John 1:29; 3:16). Irresistible grace means that the saving grace of God is effectually applied only to those whom God has determined to save (the elect). Here we can see the logical connection between “total inability” (or “total depravity”) and “irresistible grace.” Since total inability means that man is unable of believing God, and man will never come to Christ on his own, God must first change a person’s nature before he is saved. To the staunch Calvinist, regeneration must precede conversion. But is God’s grace “irresistible”? We see many examples in the Bible of sinners resisting God’s grace. Stephen said to the Jewish leaders in Acts 7:51, “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.” Calvinists would argue that these stiffnecked sinners were not part of the elect and were therefore predestined for hell. But this is not what the Bible teaches. The last doctrine in the TULIP system is the “perseverance of the saints.” This means the elect believer will continue in the state of holiness and righteousness through the work of the Holy Spirit, and the elect believer will continue in this state all the way through till he gets to heaven. This doctrine has been called “once saved, always saved” and has been associated with the doctrine of eternal security, though there are some differences. I must say that while I tend to agree more with the Arminians on their opposition to the first four points, I break company with them on the fifth (cf. Romans 9:35-39). Eternal life is for eternity. It is not “temporary eternal life.” Before moving on, let me say we can agree with the Calvinists when they are right - the sovereignty of God, eternal security, etc. And we can agree with the Arminians when they are right - man’s responsibility, unlimited atonement, etc. However, we should not be forced to take sides in this debate.My main issue is that the Calvinist can not go up to everyone and tell them God loves them and died for their sins.
I thank you for what you have written. I am praying and studying the Bible and learning Greek also and appreciate hearing on both sides of this question, so thank you for your contribution to this.
You're very welcome! So glad it was helpful to you. What I've realized too is that religion will say do, while Jesus says done. Most of Christendom mixes salvation and service and frustrates grace. E-mail me anytime with anything you want to discuss at Trevett7@gmail.com. I know what you are wrestling with brother, God bless.
bobzblindz+ John 1:12 Is not talking about regeneration before one belief. You wont find that supported in scripture. The contrast with rejection is acceptance. Not everyone rejected Jesus when He came. Some accepted ("received") Him.70 To these He gave as a gift "the right" or authority (Gr. exousian) "to become" God's "children" (Gr. tekna). Receiving Jesus consists of believing "in His name." Believing therefore equals receiving. "His name" summarizes all that He is. To "believe in His name" means to accept all the revelation, of who Jesus is, that God has given. Because that revelation includes the fact that Jesus died as a substitute sacrifice in the place of sinners, belief involves relying on Jesus for salvation rather than on self. It does not just mean believing facts intellectually. It involves volitional trust as well. "In the gospel of John belief is viewed in terms of a relationship with Jesus Christ, which begins with a decision to accept rather than reject who Jesus claims to be. This leads to a new relationship with God . . . The context determines whether John had genuine or inadequate belief in view in any given passage. In one sense, all human beings are the "children" of God: we are all His creatures through the Creation. However, the Bible speaks of the "children of God" primarily as those who are His spiritual children by faith in Jesus Christ. The new birth brings us into a new family with new relationships. Clearly John was referring to this family of believers, since he wrote that believing in Jesus gives people "the right to become" God's children. The New Testament speaks of the believer as a "child of God" and as a "son of God." Usually it describes Christians as children by birth-the new birth-and as sons by adoption. John consistently referred to believers only as "children of God" in his Gospel. He did not call us the "sons of God." In this Gospel, Jesus is the only "son of God." "Children" draws attention to community of like nature (cf. 2 Pet. 1:4), whereas "sons" emphasizes rights and privileges. When Christians explain the way of salvation to unbelievers, one difficulty we encounter is how to make clear what is meant by "receiving" Jesus Christ as Savior. The following illustration may help. A man is rushed to the hospital where a doctor examines him and informs him that he is critically ill. The patient is told that he will die unless he gets proper treatment. The physician then prescribes medicine for the sick man and says, "If you will take this, I can assure you with absolute certainty that you will get well." Now, what should the man do? Should he just lie there on his sickbed and believe that the doctor knows his business, that he has diagnosed his illness correctly, and that the prescription will surely make him well? No, that is not enough. If that is all he does, he will die. To live, he must take the medicine. When a person offers you a gift that has cost him or her much, it does not become yours until you receive it from that person. The beautifully wrapped package in the outstretched hand of the giver will do the receiver no good until he or she reaches out and takes it. Likewise, reception of God's gracious gift of eternal life is necessary before a person can benefit from it. Receiving a gift from someone else does not constitute a meritorious act or good work, and the Bible never regards it as a work. It is simply a response to the work of another.
Believe and abide through the narrow way. Do not forsake the church body either and uplift each other. Yes, trials will happen! Lots of them... Corrie ten boom 1 Thes 5:18 KJB☝️
@21:48 you said, “WHAT CAN A DEAD MAN DO?” Well a dead man CAN’T SIN EITHER so that analogy crumbles to the ground and holds zero weight. Dead does not relate to your “ability” but to your RELATIONSHIP. ...According to John 5:24 a dead man is able to hear and believe and pass from death to life: JOHN 5:24-29 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and NOW IS, when THE DEAD SHALL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD: AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE. 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, ... According to Revelation 3:1-4 Jesus Himself describes the church of Sardis AS DEAD YET STILL FULLY CAPABLE OF REPENTING: REVELATION 3:1-3 1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I KNOW THY WORKS, THAT THOU HAST A NAME THAT THOU LIVEST, AND ART DEAD. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I HAVE NOT FOUND THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Dead is NEVER SHOWN in the scriptures to mean MORAL INABILITY to respond to God’s truth. Dead means SPIRITUALLY SEPARATED from the presence of God due to sin and the only way to get into His presence is through Christ. If we were actually dead as reformers portray then we wouldn’t even be able to sin. Scripture supports a totally depraved man that is spiritually separated from God and obviously unable to save Himself. This does NOT mean man is totally incapable of responding to Him.
People are all such dirty filthy rotten evil sinners as Paul described his righteousness like dung soiled rags. He also said that we are all dead in our trespasses and sins,. God makes us alive by his choosing to do so. God's Spirit does the work, not you. Jesus said, "Let the dead bury their dead." Babies cannot make themselves be born. The same goes for spiritual babies
Aaron Pilkey Man you got it right there there’s no way a Calvinist can defend against what you just quoted. it shows a completely unregenerate man hearing God
Dr. Leighton Flowers has the best, biblical refutation of Calvinism in modern times. Apologia Studios and Jeff Durbin put out some stellar vids, but they drop the ball hard in this arena. Would be pleased to see a one-on-one with Jeff and Leighton.
Calvinists have many reasonable proof texts but fail to see their interpretation is inconsistent with the nature of God. Jeff if you had nothing to do with your repentence, that you never humbled yourself, then I would contend that you may not be saved.
He probably was saved a long time ago. Long before he was a Calvinist. If he has always been a Calvinist, than you could be right. But you can still be a saved person and be full of heresy. Many examples of this in Paul's epistles. One of my favorite verses is when God says that there MUST be heresy's so that the truth can be evident. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. Of course, as is always the case, if you don't use a KJB you will never learn these things.
I think you didn't understand what he was saying. But you say we have to humble ourselves; how can an unregenerate rebel sinner exercice repentance and faith in a God he hates so much? Why did you believe in Jesus Christ and not your neighbor? Were you smarter than him? Did you have more humility than he has? Isn't God that grants men repentance and faith as the Scripture clearly states it in Ephesians 2:8-9 and 2 Timothy 2:25-26? You see, Jesus answers these questions quite easily: "Unless you're born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God." Regeneration precedes repentance & faith, and all of this comes from God.
magicberu because repentance isn't part of Paul's gospel. The body of Christ's salvation is a free gift. Per Romans 5. Taking verses outside of Paul's epistles and imposing them on the body of Christ is a great sin. People aren't rightly dividing the word nor do they even know what the revelation of the mystery is given to Paul. Calvinists are works based salvationist. Eph 2.8-9 say salvation is a free gift. And there is no 2 Tim 3.25-26
What does Apologia studios think of Alcoholics Anonymous. This is a sincere and genuine question. I know it has nothing to do with the video and I apologise for that but maybe someone could answer to help a very isolated person who is being stirred.
I came to a saving knowledge of Christ through attending 12 step meetings. Twenty nine years later, I’m convinced that the efficacy of the 12 steps is because they represent scriptural sanctification.
Jeff you ask who could war against this marvelous God you present, well according to you God controls everything, therefore even the sinners very rebellion. So I guess to answer your question - those that God predetermined to reject him war against him, that's how they were made and they cant do a dam thing about it. I think you are so wrapped up in intellectualism you miss the plain Biblical truths. You make no sense bro.
Yeah, all of their arguments are self defeating and self contradictory. I wouldn't even call it intellectualism. Pseudo intellectuals is more accurate in my opinion lol.
Imagine finding a wife by dropping a roofie in her drink and keeping her drugged till you die. Oh what love!! See how she loves him!?? If that’s not true love then you can’t say you truly love God.
1:15:12 - would it be appropriate for said judge to let some people off and not others? And to respond to criticisms with "I let off whom I let off and I condemn whom I condemn"? No. Jeff, Calvinists - you only think it's fair because (you think) YOU'VE been let off.
Who was it that was exiled by Catholic Spain because of being a protestant but was then killed by Calvin in Geneva because Calvin disagreed with him over some aspect of Protestantism ??
If you ask me, the Bible doesn't make sense. In 1 part it has the 10 commandments: love thy neighbor as thy self, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, etc. Yet in another part it states "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". So Good is saying not to kill but it's okay to kill a witch?! That makes sense! The Bible is FULL of stuff like this. The thing that REALLY gets me is if a person doesn't agree to follow the 10 commandments, love only 1 God, & accept the "gift" Jesus gave on the cross, he'll(meaning God) will send you to Hell(a place of eternal pain, suffering, & torment), yet he LOVES you! That's NOT love! That's more like someone trying to control another by fear! Would be the same if someone held a gun to someone else's head & said "give me all your money or I'll kill you"! Or if someone told a friend I'm your friend, but if you're going to be friends with so & so, I won't be your friend"! That NOT a very good or even a true friend is it?!
He doesn't "send us to hell". We are going to hell by default because of our own wickedness. Your friend analogy is not even close. It's more like you're standing before a judge, guilty of a crime and the penalty is $1,000,000 or life in prison. You can't pay the fine, so you're headed to prison for life. The Judge can't just let you go, because you are guilty, and if He pardons you arbitrarily He is no longer a just judge. Jesus comes in, and offers to pay your fine. You can ignore Him, pretend he doesn't exist, outright reject Him, insult Him, use his name as a profane word, or you can accept His gift. The "Love" comes in when you realize that the Jesus is the Judge's son, and they share the same bank account. The Judge is the very person providing the funds for you to go free. He loves you enough to find a way for you to avoid punishment, but He's just so he can't just arbitrarily not punish the guilty. There has to be a payment, but he'll make it for you. Still not a perfect analogy but much better than what you came up with. He doesn't control us by fear. We follow Him because of what He's done for us, because He is the all knowing, almighty creator of everything and yet he brought himself down to our level because He loves us and wanted to save us. We follow him out of reverence and appreciation.
Read all scripture yourself . Out loud . To yourself . So your ears hear . Keep your money for groceries. That will make you strong . Compare scripture with scripture . Love the golden rule .
Stop following churches started by man (Calvin, Luther, whatever) and become Catholic, part of the one true Church started by GOD, Jesus Christ. This 'irresistible grace' translates to: 'God, I'm not responsible for my sin, you foreordained me' and 'Any day I don't make effort to co-operate with the uspply of grace God gives me, that's not me, it's God' St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, Ch 43 [130AD] "But lest some suppose, from what has been said by us, that we say that whatever happens, happens by a fatal necessity, because it is foretold as known beforehand, this too we explain. We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. Since if it be not so, but all things happen by fate, neither is anything at all in our own power. For if it be fated that this man, e.g., be good, and this other evil, neither is the former meritorious nor the latter to be blamed. And again, unless the human race have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions, of whatever kind they be. But that it is by free choice they both walk uprightly and stumble, we thus demonstrate. We see the same man making a transition to opposite things. Now, if it had been fated that he were to be either good or bad, he could never have been capable of both the opposites, nor of so many transitions. But not even would some be good and others bad, since we thus make fate the cause of evil, and exhibit her as acting in opposition to herself; or that which has been already stated would seem to be true, that neither virtue nor vice is anything, but that things are only reckoned good or evil by opinion; which, as the true word shows, is the greatest impiety and wickedness. But this we assert is inevitable fate, that they who choose the good have worthy rewards, and they who choose the opposite have their merited awards. For not like other things, as trees and quadrupeds, which cannot act by choice, did God make man: for neither would he be worthy of reward or praise did he not of himself choose the good, but were created for this end; nor, if he were evil, would he be worthy of punishment, not being evil of himself, but being able to be nothing else than what he was made."
His opening prayer is Weird. John 3:16&17 !! Supersedes this nonsense. Is he trying to sell a book ?? Or what . Try john 1:1 - john 21:25. Then acts chapter 1:1-26.
Goodness, six hours of video to say God saves and not man. I can hear the objection that it is not that simple and go into another six hours of video explaining why you think your interpretation of Scripture justifies your position.Jeff I love you but is this not the same as saying it is Your God who saves people. Jesus is God's Word and He alone saves and He doesn't need advice, clarification or exposition. So let us do His will and not our understanding of what it is. If we believe He saves then we should trust Him and bring people to Him and not our version of HIm as we understand it from Scripture. The Law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship... Then I said, ‘Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll- I have come to do your will, my God.’ ” Again: You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life. God is the great I AM. He cannot be fixed in our understanding. When we use our intellect or form a theology we settle for a form of godliness but we deny His power. We are in mortal danger of missing the forest for the trees in our life. It is like taking a picture of a clock. It may be a true likeness but it no longer is a clock because it no longer tells the time. When we fix our ideas about God and His salvific work we take a photo and although it may be an accurate approximation it is ultimately dead religion. Christianity is the only way because Christ is the only way not us, or our knowledge of Scripture. He is alive and we live in Him by His Spirit today. We are His sheep and we recognise His voice. Sheep don't do the work of the shepherd. Let us preach the Gospel by living in the Spirit, listening to His voice and trust Him to save. There is nowhere in Scripture we are told how God decides salvation is our business. Either to intellectually understand or espouse. In fact Jesus repeatedly tells us again and again how God decides and at times it seems unfair to us. We are simply told to follow and obey. We are told to preach the Good News about what God has done and not how we think He does it. If I am given a car and taught how to drive it with the express command to drive people back to the one who gave it to me then am I being faithful if I stop the car to explain to the occupants how I think the car works and my insights on how to drive? It may be very beneficial to everyone in the car and may seem very good but there is a way that seem right to a man but it ultimately leads to death. Believing is trusting, not understanding. I can walk because I firmly believe I can walk and trust my legs. Not because I understand the process of walking. I could sit down and study walking and learn and understand the process but this is not walking and nor will it ever be. I don't need this knowledge to walk but actually it can be a hindrance to walking. I can watch a movie and it may be the most exciting, engaging feel good experience I have ever had but it is ultimately a fantasy. In reality I spent an hour and a half sitting on my butt doing absolutely nothing. As long as I can tell the difference between the two I am OK. The danger comes when I confuse one for the other. I love you Jeff. I pray we'll all grow in the Love of God and the power of His Spirit.
Man chooses to repent When GOD CALLS HIM TO REPENT. Man can not repent on his own will BUT BY THE WILL OF GOD man is called to repent FOR GOD GIVES THAT ABILITY TO MAN THROUGH HIS GRACE. Man is not able to seek God WITHOUT GOD.
@@BobbyFiermonti completely unscriptural in every way. God calls on man to repent and warns man what will occur if he doesn't. This clearly demonstrates repentance is within the complete autonomous control of the individual.
@@LetTheTruthBeTold8324 you CAN NOT repent unless you receive the GRACE of God to have FAITH in Jesus Christ. Once God bestows Grace upon you then can you repent. An atheist does not repent because he does not have faith and he does not have faith because God has not bestowed upon him Grace nor mercy. Was it Gods will for pharaoh to have a hardened heart so that GOD may show his MIGHTINESS? Did pharaoh choose to have a hardened heart? If you examine the scripture it is clear that GOD WILLED AND CAUSED PHARAOH TO HAVE A HARDENED HEART. That was not pharaohs choice it was GODS CHOICE AND WILL.
@@BobbyFiermonti blatant unbiblical heresy generated from ignorance of the word of God. Your arguments have been addressed and repudiated overand over again since the heresy of calvinism rose its ugly blasphemous head.
@@BobbyFiermonti na that is all calvinist heresy. you do not understand the way God conveys His word concerning the state of pharoahs heart. God hardening pharoahs heart is an idiom representing that God knew pharoah would resist His word. you turn it into God being the sole agent and responsible party for people going to hell. You actually believe, With all the warnings in scripture to man, that God actually chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. that theology is so anti-thetical to the gospel, to gods character, to gods nature, and to God's word, that it blatantly exposes those who believe it do not know God and have never known God.
The debates are always One side versus another side. Apostle Paul - said -!! Some of you are of Paul Others are of Apollos . God gives the increase. And you debaters - don’t know you are miserable Wretched Poor Blind Naked . Because you are attempting to dismiss The great commission JESUS CHRIST left us to do , with his promise to abide with us to get the job done . But your debates indicate that you don’t have that power. - and maybe you don’t want it . That is Wrong .! Matthew 5:16 far supersedes any debate about Romans chapter 9. So gird up the Loins of your mind and SO DO ACTS 1:8 with the seal of the Holy Spirit promise to give us HIS JOY .!!
Calvinism is pagan fatalism. Their entire world view is based on everything being predetermined and cannot change. This doesn't match up with the text in the bible. Were God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge can be rejected by man and there are many verses were it is!
bobzblindz Don't equate prophesied future event's with predestined salvation. God already knows the future. He can easily have people write about that future. He does not need to "make it happen." There are instances were God does intervene, but there are instances were God predestined something and man rejected it!
bobzblindz Both are possible. Calvinist's view of "sovereignty" isn't biblical either. To watch Calvinism get dismantled, watch "Calvanism, Predestnation, and Freewill - Richard Jordan" on YT. It's an hour long.
bobzblindz He's just making a joke; he isn't being serious trust me lol. Trust me, he is one of the best pastors to ever live. Did you watch the video all the way through? He dismantles Calvinism. Although, you may need to understand right division and Mid Act's dispensationalism first to fully grasp the video. I cannot say, because I know what that is. I appreciate your statement about just wanting to know the truth. The issue's with Christianity is that your going to be met with competing points of view in almost all aspects. It's quite a bit of work to weed through all of the nonsense. I did this roughly 7 years ago. I went into a study frenzy because every denomination contradicted themselves against another. I wanted to find the truth, and like you said, I would get swayed one way and then not long after get swayed into something else. And interestingly, I was finding out that the more you compared them (denominations) to each other. Some of the truth would start to surface. The bible says heresy must exist in the church so that the truth can be made evident. With that said, I was studying 12-16 hours per day non stop for over 2 years Studying it all out. And it wasn't until the very end of this rigorous time that I fell upon right division and Mid Act's dispensationalism. Not only did it answer every question I couldn't get answered by other denominations, it explained to me why Christianity is filled with so much division and contradiction. If you want to figure out what's going on in the bible, watch some of Richard Jordan's videos. There is a video called "Introduction to the Mystery" by Mike McDaniel. Also, there are others on YT with the same message. Rodney Beaulieu, Ron Knight, Justin Johnson. In order to figure out who is lying to you are teaching you the truth, it's important to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Understand the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. Who exactly is Paul and why is he the most important, next to Christ, person to understand in our bible. Only through Paul can the bible be unlocked correctly, and most Christians today do not understand nor comprehend this. Sadly, very sadly, this is true. Good luck. I hope you look into the things I talked about. You seem to have an open mind, so if you're honest with yourself. You will see right division is irrefutable by the text on the page. If you use any other bible, other than a KJB, you will not believe anything about what I said above. Only use a KJB. Food for thought.
bobzblindz You're welcome. And good luck. Question everything. Even when you think you are right, try to prove yourself wrong. Echo chambers in this day are detrimental. Especially in traditions of Church doctrine.
Calvinism is works based salvation. They will say salvation if by faith alone, not of works. Then in the very next sentence say proof of salvation is in your works lol. It's self defeating and self contradictory.
There is no contradiction. *Salvation* is not the same thing as *Proof of Salvation*. The Bible does not say that our works cause our salvation, but rather are an effect of our salvation. Our works are evidence of our salvation because saved people love God and so obey his commandments (Jn 14:15, James 2:18). This is more a Protestant belief than a Calvinist specific belief, btw.
oracleoftroy Exactly. Same thing. Works prove salvation. Therefor, works are required for salvation. NO difference lol. Your John verse doesn't prove your point. And James 2 is written to the twelve tribes scattered broad. It's not written to the body of Christ. We are under a different gospel and a different dispensation from God. The people in James are back under Peter's gospel. Paul's got the revelation of the mystery. Nothing to do with John nor Peter.
Perhaps this will help you see your cause/effect confusion. Babies are proof that sex has occurred. Babies are not therefore required for sex to occur. And babies and sex are not the same thing. So too works prove that salvation has occurred, but works are not themselves required for salvation, nor is the proof of salvation the same thing as salvation. As for your dispensationalism, that simply is not found in the Bible. But I am willing to try to show salvation by grace alone from a Calvinist perspective from whatever subset of the Bible you do accept. You'll have to help me out though, since dispensationalists vary greatly on what parts of the Bible still matter. You reject James, will you accept John or Paul's epistles? Do you accept the words of Jesus, or are those for the Jews only? Is any of the old testament valid for Christians?
oracleoftroy 2 Tim 2.15 is in the bible And the word dispensation is used 4 times in the bible. So if you don't understand dispensationalism you will never understand the bible. As for your question about me. I am a Mid Act's Pauline dispensationalist. To be specific. If you want to know what exactly that is, watch "Paul's Apostleship! - Pastor Richard Jordan" on YT. It's about 25 minutes, because I know for sure you don't understand the bible the way I do. I also will only use a KJB. My question for you, though, is this. If someone hear's, believes, and trust's the gospel, but they never have any works follow them after, are they saved?
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'll do so soon. For now, I'll answer your questions. As a quick comment, I agree that the word "dispensation" is in the Bible, but the system known as dispensationalism is not. Similarly, the word Ba'al is in the Bible, but the Bible doesn't teach us to worship Ba'al. For my own part, I hold to covenant theology and postmillennial ecclesiology. The Westminster Confession is a great summary of my beliefs. I tend to use the ESV or Geneva, though the KJV is a fine translation. _If someone hear's, believes, and trust's the gospel, but they never have any works follow them after, are they saved?_ If they never have any works follow from their salvation, it sounds to me like there is no difference between how they acted before they were saved and after. If they weren't going to church before, they aren't after. If they were having an affair, or stealing, or selfish, or a drunkard, etc before, they still are after. They never had any outward change and still sin without any Christian remorse or conviction, and they never produced the fruit of the spirit. Maybe by words they claim to be a Christian, but from observing their deeds, they seem to be dead in sin. Now lets say I meet a new person at Church and I learn that just yesterday he heard the Gospel for the first time and decided to become a Christian. He still has all sorts of incorrect beliefs and is still living in all sorts of sin. Yet what a profound change do we already see! Before, he would never step foot in a church, now he desires to submit to the Word and learn about God! He has humbled himself and has started to reorient his life around Jesus. Already, his salvation has produced works, and as he continues his walk with Jesus, many more will come. I can't help but think of 1 Corinthians, where Paul gives a big list of sins keeping people from God, and then says of the saints in Corinth, "such _were_ some of you." (1 Cor 6:11) Those sins are in the past, not the present, for the believer.
Confusing. What about Romans 2:11? This verse would be a lie, if Calvinism true. I saw the work this pastor has done with planned parenthood. I wanted to know the background of his beliefs. I am new to studying different Christian sectors, however I think that Calvinism puts more chains on a person than freedom
_"What about Romans __2:11__? This verse would be a lie, if Calvinism true."_ Huh? Calvinism teaches that there is nothing conditioned on man -- not his deeds, or his thoughts, or his looks, or his class, or anything else -- that merit his salvation. Salvation rests solely on God. So how can God be the respecter of the person? The objection makes no sense. The objection makes more sense on systems that has God save those who believe the right thing or say the right prayer or do the right works, because then we have a God respecting the words or deeds of man.
oracleoftroy But God DOES react to man. He saves those who believe, He doesn’t make those whom He saves, to believe. Calvinism seems backwards to scripture.
Durban is lost and has no idea what he is talking about! Nobody thinks "man saves themselves". He is preaching against a strawman, and believing in a false religion that is not Christianity.
@@Yesica1993 Can you back up what you are saying? I am doing as the Apostles would, especially Paul. Also, if you are in the Calvinist religion... how do you get away with being a hypocrite 🤔??? God eternally decreed all things that come to pass, that includes my actions. Are you questioning the will of God?
It is Catholic teaching that only God saves. Praying to Mary and the Saints is asking for help, for intercession, not to them to be saved but that they might also ask for the help of God FOR US … Same with Worship "Worship is reserved for the Godhead alone: God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" .. Catholic Catechism
@@joshuagideons110 God alone is a Catholic concept since Pentecost. It was Martin Luther who actually criticised Catholicism because there was not enough respect for Mary ! Same with Worship "Worship is reserved for the Godhead alone: God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" .. Catholic Catechism ... Next September we start up our "Faith seeking understanding" group for protestants on their was to Catholicism and every year different people are amazed about the misunderstanding they had about Catholicism ...
@@1234poppycat I... Don't find any meaningful conversation to be had with papists about their beliefs sadly. It's not really worth my time, nor is it fruitful. Frankly, I just hope you are justified in Christ. If you are, then there's really nothing to be gained here.
Townsend Hamilton, can you support your statement without giving facts to support your claim on dr michael brown as I don't see anything wrong in his preaching. Please state to me anything in particular you have about him. thanks
Some get mercy some get justice but nobody gets injustice - RC Spraul
A little boy went to his pastor and told him that he wanted to be Baptized. The preacher said, " I see,why do you want to be Baptized ".The little boy said," because I'm saved."Oh "said the preacher," how do you think that happened " . The boy replied," well,I did my part and Jesus did the rest" .The preacher frowned and said,"Son,God does it all". The boy said," right,I did my part and Jesus did His part,I did the sinning and Jesus did the saving".
All these people commenting and objecting to Durbin's theology... did you even watch the video?! Haha. He answers just about every objection I'm seeing in the comments. Goes to show, we tend to argue without listening.
Amen, Brother Soli Deo Gloria.
Andrew-a-Dale by your comments you must be an admirer of Durbin's theology. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Andrew.
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@@timmoreland what is the message on eph 1? Thanks
Any position other than 5-point Calvinism is the result of sinful pride. Repent by really accepting the biblical fact that Jesus is Lord!
Bruce Darlington Jr, noted you are 5-point believer. I guessed since you find his teaching to be sound then you must be a Calvinist. In calvinism it says God is Sovereign and I agreed.
They go on and claimed that God before the foundation of the world either predestinated some for salvation and passover the rest of humanity ie ended up in hell ultimately because of their sins which I disagreed.
If Calvinism teaching on predestination is true as claimed and believed by you, appreciate if you could furnished me with some verses in the bible, in order to support this notion of Calvinism. May I suggest we stick on the "predestination" principle of Calvinism for the time being. Go ahead and thank you Bruce.
Bruce Darlington , Jesus is Lord and nobody can deny it but 5-point, 4 point or 3-point is a heretical teaching as it originates from a sinful, pride man, Calvin who masterminded the murder of his old college mate, Michael Servetus, a premeditated act of murderous hatred for which he showed no remorse but actually boasted of his evil deeds.
Did God predestinate some to eternal life and other to eternal damnation as Calvin taught? Quote to me the verses or its concept mentioned in the bible, if you dare? Calvinism preached the golden chain of redemption for the elect in Rom8 can't be broken whereas calvin's own chain was broken by his own followers of the 5-pointer, 4-pointer, 3-pointer and may be the coming of the 0-pointer as well.
Bruce Darlington Jr. calvinism is pride
I will debate anyone on all five points
The more I studied scripture of the more I am realizing the reformed theology and Calvinism are truly following scripture, 🎉 "I love that analogy of the judge and the criminals"
These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..."
@@Mike-qt7jp Yes, I understand the verses, and there is the mystery of our different theological perspectives, but from my studies, I lean more towards the opposite of choice and free will, I lean towards God sovereignty and choice, not ours, that's my understanding of the Bible.
@@giorgiodechambre6798 then your understanding lacks, most in freewill reject God,
@@donhaddix3770 From reading the Bible and analyzing the Verses for myself, the doctrine of Predestination and God's Sovereignty are correct, 🤠
@giorgiodechambre6798 predestination is real, but Calvinism mis-defines it.
Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically.
The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.
Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious.
The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some.
If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”
Does this mean that God's counsel can never be rejected in Acts 2.23? Meaning God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge will always be what happens?
"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"
Why is everyone in this comment section so mean spirited and hateful? To deny Calvinism is one thing, but to brutally bash a man who is presenting clear scripture is outright embarrassing. Are we not to love our brother in Christ?
Satan is the accuser.
Most on here are goats, Brother. But let us pray that they turn from self, and turn to Fearing, Trusting, and LOVING YESHUA.
ChîRhôpher Lazarus Yes. Although I disagree with calvinists, they are still our brothers in Christ.
Question: Was the Apostle Paul in the wrong when he rebuked Peter for adding circumcision to the Gospel?
Should he have left it alone as to not 'cause a division'? No, The love in our hearts for fellow believers moves us to lead them to truth. Like, telling a friend they're headed for a cliff. God bless you, friend. :)
Werner Heisenberg Calvinism isn't heresy. It falls within the box of orthodoxy. Don't major in the minor.
Amen so true.
8:50 it's true as we have NOTHING to do with our salvation it's ALL god. #TULIP
God knows who will be saved and who won't be, but that does not mean he'll stop trying to save everyone. Everyone is the elect, as everyone is equally valuable. No one would be saved otherwise.
"Everyone is the elect". Where is that in Scripture? Also, "everyone is equally valuable", if we're dead in our sins, as Ephesians 2 says, then what value do we have? None whatsoever. Those whom Jesus saves are not saved because God found some worth or value in them, because there is not a single ounce of value or worth in any of us as sinners. God saves solely on His sovereign will, on His choice, and because He chose to show grace. Romans 9 addresses it.
If you think God “tries” to do anything and does not accomplish it, you have a low view of God.
Jeff .That bill I think in Texas. The bill to protect childrens life from conception. We need something similar here in California.
I like the idea that is raised that we have nothing to do with our salvation but I wondered what Paul meant when he said that we all need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Would love some input on this. Thank you Jeff for this series and all you do in the name of our Lord.
Paul says that in Phillipians.. notice right after Paul says that he says "For it is God's will that works in us".
I think Paul meant about sanctification there. That we may not fall into sin because of our sinful nature and continue to pursue God.
Sir, l love the truth of God's absolute sovereignty but why do we even have to mention calvin. Leave man out--- let God be true and every man a liar. Leave calvin out--- just stay with all the wonderful truth in scripture.
There are so many out there obsessively obsessed with calvin
the last 2yrs up here in kamloops british columbia i have been unable to convince people of truth as they are all mind-controlled by the religious establishment of lies and fear as the church has been shut down due to the worship of caesar. the small gathering that i attend have expressed that they have bowed and so im left with no other means than to come out from her. please grant me suggestions.
Apologia Studios: How do explain your logo? The Triquetra, which is an old Occult symbol, commonly used for witchcraft and Satanism? The Triquetra is said to be three intertwining sixes. It's a common symbol used by Free Masons, which for those who have researched the Free Masons, know they are a Luciferian cult. The dual faces, and black and white, theme... Also used in your logo, is also common Free Mason symbolism. Do you have a solid explanation or argument, for this?
Really? I thought it was a symbol to represent the Trinity.... Although I believe Apologia is corrupted, I doubt they know their logo is a Satanic symbol.
CriticalThinker02 They believe Christ died only for some, that, is a corrupt Gospel.
1 John 1;29, 1 John 2;2, 1 John 4;4, 2 Corinthians 5;14, Romans 5;18, 1 Tim 2:6,
and 1 Tim 4:10...
I've seen you a couple times on some other threads, Must say.... You're doin' a fine work!
God bless ya', friend
Well, a lot of old Occult symbols get adopted by other groups, at some point. Usually, they are intentionally introduced to other groups, for the reason of making them, unknowing participants. Take the "Devil Horns" hand sign, for example... Yes, you see it in Rock music. Many just believe it means "Rock on". It was actually introduced to Rock music, with a false meaning, to get people to be unknowing participants. In the Occult, Luciferianism, Satanism, (All the same crap, just various packaging)... They believe that even if someone is unknowingly performing a ritualistic act, or gesturing symbols... It still has power. So, while people at a Rock concert, may think they are throwing up a hand sign, meaning "Rock on", to the Occultist, they are still saying "Hail Satan", and it's power remains the same. The Triquetra, was introduced to churches the same way... Having a Satanic meaning but, introduced to the churches with a false meaning, "Holy Trinity", making them unknowing participants, invoking Satanic power. The "Triangle" hand sign? Same thing. You would think that someone in Jeff Durbin's position, would have done his homework on this stuff... But, then again... He could be one of those people, "But, that's not what it means to me!" Who knows.
***** "But the Word of God is the same, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow."
Thank you for the article, friend
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That’s funny that you mention Durbin’d logo. He is in close affiliation with James White. He too has several “Masonry” objects in his office where he makes his videos.
It helps to confirm my suspicions that Calvinism is a cult.
I hope not. I hope that if anyone who followed these men, heard biblical truth, they would instantly turn from their teachings. It doesn’t seem that way though.
Blessings.
People who say predestination or faith alone, is not from the bible BUT where does it says God SAVES ONLY those but what it does say is God desire's to save all? Eze 18 Jn 3:16 and so forth ANOTHER thing going on about their understanding, then the sinner would not repent nor would seek forgiveness? Yet God warns the righteous NOT to fall into sin as then his righteousness would not be counted for anything. ALL are free none compelled.
Why preach ‘salvation’ when the non-elect can’t repent and the elect can’t perish?
Werner Heisenberg because the elect are called by God through his word, very often his word being preached. we have the privilege of calling. we don't know who's elect, so we have to preach to everyone.
CriticalThinker02 I see what you're saying. We don't believe that we can change someone from non-elect to elect, or persuade a non-elect person. What we do believe is that God commands us to preach, because our preaching is one of the things God uses to draw his elect to himself. We've been given the privilege of being part of the "calling" mentioned in Romans 8. We do not foreknow, or predestine, we don't justify or glorify, but God calls through us. Also, when unelect people hear preaching and reject the message, God is glorified in his justice even more, because he sent his people with a message of reconciliation and they rejected it.
CriticalThinker02 the message of the gospel doesn't require that every person can actually obey. the message is simple - repent and believe. only those whom God grants repentance and belief will repent and believe.
Calvinism is based on the wrong view, and unbiblical view, of God's sovereignty. Destroy predestination and the Calvinist will be set free. Watch "Calvanism, Predestnation, and Freewill - Richard Jordan" and get ready to have your world view turned upside down on it's head. (the video is misspelled so make sure to copy paste exactly)
No sir, you do not understand the doctrines of Grace as found in Holy Scripture!
@ 11:21 Jeff states that the first display of revolt against God’s Sovereignty was in the Garden of Eden.
I agree.
But i sn’t it also ironic that this is also the very first instance of Satan taking away from the Words of what God actually said by removing the word “FREELY” when he was quoting God in Genesis 3:1.
Let’s read carefully the account if what God originally told man in Genesis 2:16-17:
GENESIS 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
...Now Let’s look at the beginning of the very next chapter where Satan deceives Eve and misquotes what God actually told her:
GENESIS 3:1-3
1 Now the serpent was more SUBTIL than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, YEA, HATH GOD SAID, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
- If you look closely you will see that Satan the father of lies misquoted God and left out the word “FREELY” in verse 1 which God had originally said in Genesis 3:16 when He said, “...Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat.”
**SATAN first rebelled against the Sovereignty of God which gave man free will and took away the words that God had said.
SATAN took away the word “FREELY” and ironically reformers still do today.
GOD: “...Of every tree of the garden thou mayest FREELY eat.”
SATAN: “Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?”
SATAN clearly removes the word “FREELY.”
**Similar to playing the game “telephone” in that when the message finally gets to the intended person it is nothing like the original message.
REVELATION 22:19
19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD SHALL TAKE AWAY HIS PART OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
** Take heed reformers lest you take away from God’s Word when He’s Sovereignly given mankind freewill and Sovereignly chooses to save only those who freely believe in His Son.
Take heed lest you take away man’s freewill just like SATAN the father of lies did in the Garden.
In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” 2nd Peter 3:9 says, “The Lord is…not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.” and yet, it also has Jesus saying, "Broad is the road that leads to destruction (hell) and many are on it, but straight and narrow is the road that leads to life (Heaven) and few ever find it."
...God clearly says what happened to mankind and His nature after the fall and in fact man’s eyes were OPENED and not closed.
Mankind actually became ABLE to know good and evil because of the fall and NOT unable.
Mankind actually became MORE like God just speaking in the regard that they could distinguish and KNOW good and evil:
GENESIS 3:22
22 And the LORD GOD SAID, Behold, the MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
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In Genesis 4:7 literally right after the fall God tells us right away in the very next story of freewill and our responsibility to do well.
Almost like He’s actually confirming that it WASN’T LOST in the fall.
Cain and able both brought freewill offerings to the Lord.
God gives Cain the clear human responsibility and the clear moral consequences if he chooses to obey or not:
“IF THOU DOEST WELL...”
God DOESN’T say, “If I effectually cause you to do well,” or
“If I make you do well.”
THE RESPONSIBILITY IS CLEARLY GIVEN TO MAN.
GENESIS 4:3-7
3 AND IN PROCESS OF TIME IT CAME TO PASS, THAT CAIN BROUGHT OF THE FRUIT OF THE GROUND AN OFFERING UNTO THE LORD.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 IF THOU DOEST WELL, SHALT THOU NOT BE ACCEPTED? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
God clearly outlines the effects of the fall in Genesis 3.
I fail to see any mention of anything to do even remotely with a total inability to respond to Him.
Mama Jedi Hi thanks for the reply bit I think you misunderstood what I was getting at.
I agree with you God wants to show us the consequences of a decision we see that all throughout scripture where it’s “IF” you do “this”, THEN I will do “that.”
BUT, “IF” you do “that”, THEN I will do “this.”
DEUTERONOMY 30:19
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both thou and thy seed MAY LIVE:
God reasons with us by setting before us life and death and pleading with us to CHOOSE LIFE.
How do we choose life?
By faith in Christ.
His terms that can’t be negotiated but He’s patient with us not willing that any should perish and so He works with us and reasons with us showing us our sin and our need for Him so we turn to Him in faith.
I’m not trying to say by choosing to do good we can somehow save ourselves and do t need Christ.
He is the way the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except THROUGH Him.
My argument is that we are totally depraved and separated from God and in need of a saviour and can’t save ourselves as a result of the Fall.
But that does NOT mean we have the inability to freely believe in what Christ did for us as reformers falsely believe.
Wow, if your church is skipping portions of Scripture because they're, "too controversial", it's time to find another church!
Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically.
The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.
Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious.
The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some.
If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice-all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”
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The mass of humanity will be save??? Many are called few are chosen??? The road to life is narrow and few find it? Hope this helps
I believe “TULIP” theology to be unscriptural. On the other hand, I am not an Arminian and I believe in eternal security.
Total inability means sinners are unable to come to Christ unless they are first regenerated. But the Bible teaches that a man is born again when he believes, not before he believes. “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name” (John 1:12).
Unconditional election means God arbitrarily chose some people for heaven, and others for hell. But the Bible says that God is, “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” (II Peter 3:9; cf. I Tim. 2:4).
Limited atonement means Christ died only for the elect. But First John 2:2 says, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
Hebrews 2:9 says, “that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man” (cf. also John 1:29; 3:16).
Irresistible grace means that the saving grace of God is effectually applied only to those whom God has determined to save (the elect). Here we can see the logical connection between “total inability” (or “total depravity”) and “irresistible grace.” Since total inability means that man is unable of believing God, and man will never come to Christ on his own, God must first change a person’s nature before he is saved.
To the staunch Calvinist, regeneration must precede conversion. But is God’s grace “irresistible”? We see many examples in the Bible of sinners resisting God’s grace. Stephen said to the Jewish leaders in Acts 7:51, “Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.”
Calvinists would argue that these stiffnecked sinners were not part of the elect and were therefore predestined for hell. But this is not what the Bible teaches.
The last doctrine in the TULIP system is the “perseverance of the saints.” This means the elect believer will continue in the state of holiness and righteousness through the work of the Holy Spirit, and the elect believer will continue in this state all the way through till he gets to heaven.
This doctrine has been called “once saved, always saved” and has been associated with the doctrine of eternal security, though there are some differences.
I must say that while I tend to agree more with the Arminians on their opposition to the first four points, I break company with them on the fifth (cf. Romans 9:35-39).
Eternal life is for eternity. It is not “temporary eternal life.”
Before moving on, let me say we can agree with the Calvinists when they are right - the sovereignty of God, eternal security, etc.
And we can agree with the Arminians when they are right - man’s responsibility, unlimited atonement, etc. However, we should not be forced to take sides in this debate.My main issue is that the Calvinist can not go up to everyone and tell them God loves them and died for their sins.
I thank you for what you have written. I am praying and studying the Bible and learning Greek also and appreciate hearing on both sides of this question, so thank you for your contribution to this.
You're very welcome! So glad it was helpful to you. What I've realized too is that religion will say do, while Jesus says done. Most of Christendom mixes salvation and service and frustrates grace. E-mail me anytime with anything you want to discuss at Trevett7@gmail.com. I know what you are wrestling with brother, God bless.
I have and am not nor will ever be a Calvinist.
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John 1:12 Is not talking about regeneration before one belief. You wont find that supported in scripture.
The contrast with rejection is acceptance. Not everyone rejected Jesus when He came. Some accepted ("received") Him.70 To these He gave as a gift "the right" or authority (Gr. exousian) "to become" God's "children" (Gr. tekna). Receiving Jesus consists of believing "in His name." Believing therefore equals receiving. "His name" summarizes all that He is. To "believe in His name" means to accept all the revelation, of who Jesus is, that God has given. Because that revelation includes the fact that Jesus died as a substitute sacrifice in the place of sinners, belief involves relying on Jesus for salvation rather than on self. It does not just mean believing facts intellectually. It involves volitional trust as well.
"In the gospel of John belief is viewed in terms of a relationship with Jesus Christ, which begins with a decision to accept rather than reject who Jesus claims to be. This leads to a new relationship with God . . . The context determines whether John had genuine or inadequate belief in view in any given passage.
In one sense, all human beings are the "children" of God: we are all His creatures through the Creation. However, the Bible speaks of the "children of God" primarily as those who are His spiritual children by faith in Jesus Christ. The new birth brings us into a new family with new relationships. Clearly John was referring to this family of believers, since he wrote that believing in Jesus gives people "the right to become" God's children.
The New Testament speaks of the believer as a "child of God" and as a "son of God." Usually it describes Christians as children by birth-the new birth-and as sons by adoption. John consistently referred to believers only as "children of God" in his Gospel. He did not call us the "sons of God." In this Gospel, Jesus is the only "son of God." "Children" draws attention to community of like nature (cf. 2 Pet. 1:4), whereas "sons" emphasizes rights and privileges.
When Christians explain the way of salvation to unbelievers, one difficulty we encounter is how to make clear what is meant by "receiving" Jesus Christ as Savior. The following illustration may help. A man is rushed to the hospital where a doctor examines him and informs him that he is critically ill. The patient is told that he will die unless he gets proper treatment. The physician then prescribes medicine for the sick man and says, "If you will take this, I can assure you with absolute certainty that you will get well." Now, what should the man do? Should he just lie there on his sickbed and believe that the doctor knows his business, that he has diagnosed his illness correctly, and that the prescription will surely make him well? No, that is not enough. If that is all he does, he will die. To live, he must take the medicine.
When a person offers you a gift that has cost him or her much, it does not become yours until you receive it from that person. The beautifully wrapped package in the outstretched hand of the giver will do the receiver no good until he or she reaches out and takes it. Likewise, reception of God's gracious gift of eternal life is necessary before a person can benefit from it. Receiving a gift from someone else does not constitute a meritorious act or good work, and the Bible never regards it as a work. It is simply a response to the work of another.
Believe and abide through the narrow way. Do not forsake the church body either and uplift each other. Yes, trials will happen! Lots of them...
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1 Thes 5:18 KJB☝️
@21:48 you said, “WHAT CAN A DEAD MAN DO?”
Well a dead man CAN’T SIN EITHER so that analogy crumbles to the ground and holds zero weight.
Dead does not relate to your “ability” but to your RELATIONSHIP.
...According to John 5:24 a dead man is able to hear and believe and pass from death to life:
JOHN 5:24-29
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and NOW IS, when THE DEAD SHALL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE SON OF GOD: AND THEY THAT HEAR SHALL LIVE.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
... According to Revelation 3:1-4 Jesus Himself describes the church of Sardis AS DEAD YET STILL FULLY CAPABLE OF REPENTING:
REVELATION 3:1-3
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I KNOW THY WORKS, THAT THOU HAST A NAME THAT THOU LIVEST, AND ART DEAD.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I HAVE NOT FOUND THY WORKS PERFECT BEFORE GOD.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Dead is NEVER SHOWN in the scriptures to mean MORAL INABILITY to respond to God’s truth.
Dead means SPIRITUALLY SEPARATED from the presence of God due to sin and the only way to get into His presence is through Christ.
If we were actually dead as reformers portray then we wouldn’t even be able to sin.
Scripture supports a totally depraved man that is spiritually separated from God and obviously unable to save Himself.
This does NOT mean man is totally incapable of responding to Him.
People are all such dirty filthy rotten evil sinners as Paul described his righteousness like dung soiled rags. He also said that we are all dead in our trespasses and sins,. God makes us alive by his choosing to do so. God's Spirit does the work, not you. Jesus said, "Let the dead bury their dead."
Babies cannot make themselves be born. The same goes for spiritual babies
Dead in sin
@@prudyray CORRECT!
Aaron Pilkey
Man you got it right there there’s no way a Calvinist can defend against what you just quoted.
it shows a completely unregenerate man hearing God
mrpetertait
why are you arguing with scripture?
Sad that people deny that Jesus came to take the sin of the world
Wasnt the "fruit" from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil"? This guy said God could of said "dont pick up a stick" hope this helps.
Dr. Leighton Flowers has the best, biblical refutation of Calvinism in modern times. Apologia Studios and Jeff Durbin put out some stellar vids, but they drop the ball hard in this arena. Would be pleased to see a one-on-one with Jeff and Leighton.
And Flowers is still incorrect.
Calvinists have many reasonable proof texts but fail to see their interpretation is inconsistent with the nature of God. Jeff if you had nothing to do with your repentence, that you never humbled yourself, then I would contend that you may not be saved.
He probably was saved a long time ago. Long before he was a Calvinist. If he has always been a Calvinist, than you could be right. But you can still be a saved person and be full of heresy. Many examples of this in Paul's epistles. One of my favorite verses is when God says that there MUST be heresy's so that the truth can be evident.
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Of course, as is always the case, if you don't use a KJB you will never learn these things.
I think you didn't understand what he was saying. But you say we have to humble ourselves; how can an unregenerate rebel sinner exercice repentance and faith in a God he hates so much? Why did you believe in Jesus Christ and not your neighbor? Were you smarter than him? Did you have more humility than he has? Isn't God that grants men repentance and faith as the Scripture clearly states it in Ephesians 2:8-9 and 2 Timothy 2:25-26?
You see, Jesus answers these questions quite easily: "Unless you're born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God." Regeneration precedes repentance & faith, and all of this comes from God.
magicberu because repentance isn't part of Paul's gospel. The body of Christ's salvation is a free gift. Per Romans 5. Taking verses outside of Paul's epistles and imposing them on the body of Christ is a great sin. People aren't rightly dividing the word nor do they even know what the revelation of the mystery is given to Paul. Calvinists are works based salvationist.
Eph 2.8-9 say salvation is a free gift. And there is no 2 Tim 3.25-26
Why does one believe In Jesus and another not? The parable of the sower answers that.
Look up Jeff Durbin sermon critique part 2 for a response to Jeff Durbin.
What does Apologia studios think of Alcoholics Anonymous. This is a sincere and genuine question. I know it has nothing to do with the video and I apologise for that but maybe someone could answer to help a very isolated person who is being stirred.
Paul Gibson , i just saw this and wanted to reach out to ya. How can we help?
I came to a saving knowledge of Christ through attending 12 step meetings. Twenty nine years later, I’m convinced that the efficacy of the 12 steps is because they represent scriptural sanctification.
Does nobody in his audience question his "doctrines of grace"? So sad to see.
That reformed church, Must be a dutch reformed church hahaha
Jeff you ask who could war against this marvelous God you present, well according to you God controls everything, therefore even the sinners very rebellion. So I guess to answer your question - those that God predetermined to reject him war against him, that's how they were made and they cant do a dam thing about it. I think you are so wrapped up in intellectualism you miss the plain Biblical truths. You make no sense bro.
Yeah, all of their arguments are self defeating and self contradictory. I wouldn't even call it intellectualism. Pseudo intellectuals is more accurate in my opinion lol.
Yeah I think you have a point there brother ;)
The Human cooperation isn't that love? How can you love if you are forced?
How can you love someone you naturally reject in your carnal state?
Imagine finding a wife by dropping a roofie in her drink and keeping her drugged till you die.
Oh what love!! See how she loves him!??
If that’s not true love then you can’t say you truly love God.
1:15:12 - would it be appropriate for said judge to let some people off and not others? And to respond to criticisms with "I let off whom I let off and I condemn whom I condemn"?
No. Jeff, Calvinists - you only think it's fair because (you think) YOU'VE been let off.
Who was it that was exiled by Catholic Spain because of being a protestant but was then killed by Calvin in Geneva because Calvin disagreed with him over some aspect of Protestantism ??
If you ask me, the Bible doesn't make sense. In 1 part it has the 10 commandments: love thy neighbor as thy self, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not kill, etc. Yet in another part it states "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". So Good is saying not to kill but it's okay to kill a witch?! That makes sense! The Bible is FULL of stuff like this. The thing that REALLY gets me is if a person doesn't agree to follow the 10 commandments, love only 1 God, & accept the "gift" Jesus gave on the cross, he'll(meaning God) will send you to Hell(a place of eternal pain, suffering, & torment), yet he LOVES you! That's NOT love! That's more like someone trying to control another by fear! Would be the same if someone held a gun to someone else's head & said "give me all your money or I'll kill you"! Or if someone told a friend I'm your friend, but if you're going to be friends with so & so, I won't be your friend"! That NOT a very good or even a true friend is it?!
He doesn't "send us to hell". We are going to hell by default because of our own wickedness. Your friend analogy is not even close.
It's more like you're standing before a judge, guilty of a crime and the penalty is $1,000,000 or life in prison. You can't pay the fine, so you're headed to prison for life.
The Judge can't just let you go, because you are guilty, and if He pardons you arbitrarily He is no longer a just judge.
Jesus comes in, and offers to pay your fine. You can ignore Him, pretend he doesn't exist, outright reject Him, insult Him, use his name as a profane word, or you can accept His gift.
The "Love" comes in when you realize that the Jesus is the Judge's son, and they share the same bank account. The Judge is the very person providing the funds for you to go free. He loves you enough to find a way for you to avoid punishment, but He's just so he can't just arbitrarily not punish the guilty. There has to be a payment, but he'll make it for you.
Still not a perfect analogy but much better than what you came up with.
He doesn't control us by fear. We follow Him because of what He's done for us, because He is the all knowing, almighty creator of everything and yet he brought himself down to our level because He loves us and wanted to save us. We follow him out of reverence and appreciation.
Listening to that opening prayer was... terrifying.
HOW can people still be doing this in the TWENTY-FIRST Century?!
Read all scripture yourself . Out loud . To yourself . So your ears hear .
Keep your money for groceries. That will make you strong .
Compare scripture with scripture . Love the golden rule .
We all know that Christ is the author of our salvation. What is wrong are not the biblical verses, but the interpretation without any discernment.
God saves those who seek him. he predestines no one to hell as Calvinism effective teaches.
you are clueless and have no clue what God does nor what calvinism or Christianity actually is 😢
Stop following churches started by man (Calvin, Luther, whatever) and become Catholic, part of the one true Church started by GOD, Jesus Christ.
This 'irresistible grace' translates to:
'God, I'm not responsible for my sin, you foreordained me' and 'Any day I don't make effort to co-operate with the uspply of grace God gives me, that's not me, it's God'
St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, Ch 43 [130AD]
"But lest some suppose, from what has been said by us, that we say that whatever happens, happens by a fatal necessity, because it is foretold as known beforehand, this too we explain. We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, and chastisements, and good rewards, are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. Since if it be not so, but all things happen by fate, neither is anything at all in our own power. For if it be fated that this man, e.g., be good, and this other evil, neither is the former meritorious nor the latter to be blamed. And again, unless the human race have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions, of whatever kind they be. But that it is by free choice they both walk uprightly and stumble, we thus demonstrate. We see the same man making a transition to opposite things. Now, if it had been fated that he were to be either good or bad, he could never have been capable of both the opposites, nor of so many transitions. But not even would some be good and others bad, since we thus make fate the cause of evil, and exhibit her as acting in opposition to herself; or that which has been already stated would seem to be true, that neither virtue nor vice is anything, but that things are only reckoned good or evil by opinion; which, as the true word shows, is the greatest impiety and wickedness. But this we assert is inevitable fate, that they who choose the good have worthy rewards, and they who choose the opposite have their merited awards. For not like other things, as trees and quadrupeds, which cannot act by choice, did God make man: for neither would he be worthy of reward or praise did he not of himself choose the good, but were created for this end; nor, if he were evil, would he be worthy of punishment, not being evil of himself, but being able to be nothing else than what he was made."
I’m.... no. Read your Bible and only your Bible. Not things written by men I.E. the Roman Catholic Catechism
His opening prayer is
Weird.
John 3:16&17 !! Supersedes this nonsense.
Is he trying to sell a book ?? Or what .
Try john 1:1 - john 21:25.
Then acts chapter 1:1-26.
Goodness, six hours of video to say God saves and not man. I can hear the objection that it is not that simple and go into another six hours of video explaining why you think your interpretation of Scripture justifies your position.Jeff I love you but is this not the same as saying it is Your God who saves people.
Jesus is God's Word and He alone saves and He doesn't need advice, clarification or exposition. So let us do His will and not our understanding of what it is. If we believe He saves then we should trust Him and bring people to Him and not our version of HIm as we understand it from Scripture.
The Law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship... Then I said, ‘Here I am-it is written about me in the scroll-
I have come to do your will, my God.’ ” Again: You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.
God is the great I AM. He cannot be fixed in our understanding. When we use our intellect or form a theology we settle for a form of godliness but we deny His power. We are in mortal danger of missing the forest for the trees in our life. It is like taking a picture of a clock. It may be a true likeness but it no longer is a clock because it no longer tells the time. When we fix our ideas about God and His salvific work we take a photo and although it may be an accurate approximation it is ultimately dead religion.
Christianity is the only way because Christ is the only way not us, or our knowledge of Scripture. He is alive and we live in Him by His Spirit today. We are His sheep and we recognise His voice. Sheep don't do the work of the shepherd. Let us preach the Gospel by living in the Spirit, listening to His voice and trust Him to save.
There is nowhere in Scripture we are told how God decides salvation is our business. Either to intellectually understand or espouse. In fact Jesus repeatedly tells us again and again how God decides and at times it seems unfair to us. We are simply told to follow and obey. We are told to preach the Good News about what God has done and not how we think He does it.
If I am given a car and taught how to drive it with the express command to drive people back to the one who gave it to me then am I being faithful if I stop the car to explain to the occupants how I think the car works and my insights on how to drive? It may be very beneficial to everyone in the car and may seem very good but there is a way that seem right to a man but it ultimately leads to death.
Believing is trusting, not understanding. I can walk because I firmly believe I can walk and trust my legs. Not because I understand the process of walking. I could sit down and study walking and learn and understand the process but this is not walking and nor will it ever be. I don't need this knowledge to walk but actually it can be a hindrance to walking.
I can watch a movie and it may be the most exciting, engaging feel good experience I have ever had but it is ultimately a fantasy. In reality I spent an hour and a half sitting on my butt doing absolutely nothing. As long as I can tell the difference between the two I am OK. The danger comes when I confuse one for the other.
I love you Jeff.
I pray we'll all grow in the Love of God and the power of His Spirit.
God saves when man chooses to repent
Man chooses to repent When GOD CALLS HIM TO REPENT. Man can not repent on his own will BUT BY THE WILL OF GOD man is called to repent FOR GOD GIVES THAT ABILITY TO MAN THROUGH HIS GRACE.
Man is not able to seek God WITHOUT GOD.
@@BobbyFiermonti completely unscriptural in every way.
God calls on man to repent and warns man what will occur if he doesn't.
This clearly demonstrates repentance is within the complete autonomous control of the individual.
@@LetTheTruthBeTold8324 you CAN NOT repent unless you receive the GRACE of God to have FAITH in Jesus Christ. Once God bestows Grace upon you then can you repent.
An atheist does not repent because he does not have faith and he does not have faith because God has not bestowed upon him Grace nor mercy.
Was it Gods will for pharaoh to have a hardened heart so that GOD may show his MIGHTINESS?
Did pharaoh choose to have a hardened heart? If you examine the scripture it is clear that GOD WILLED AND CAUSED PHARAOH TO HAVE A HARDENED HEART.
That was not pharaohs choice it was GODS CHOICE AND WILL.
@@BobbyFiermonti blatant unbiblical heresy generated from ignorance of the word of God.
Your arguments have been addressed and repudiated overand over again since the heresy of calvinism rose its ugly blasphemous head.
@@BobbyFiermonti
na that is all calvinist heresy.
you do not understand the way God conveys His word concerning the state of pharoahs heart.
God hardening pharoahs heart is an idiom representing that God knew pharoah would resist His word.
you turn it into God being the sole agent and responsible party for people going to hell.
You actually believe, With all the warnings in scripture to man, that God actually chooses who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.
that theology is so anti-thetical to the gospel, to gods character, to gods nature, and to God's word, that it blatantly exposes those who believe it do not know God and have never known God.
The debates are always
One side versus another side.
Apostle Paul - said -!! Some of you are of Paul
Others are of Apollos .
God gives the increase.
And you debaters - don’t know you are miserable
Wretched
Poor
Blind
Naked .
Because you are attempting to dismiss
The great commission JESUS CHRIST left us to do , with his promise to abide with us to get the job done .
But your debates indicate that you don’t have that power. - and maybe you don’t want it . That is Wrong .!
Matthew 5:16 far supersedes any debate about Romans chapter 9.
So gird up the Loins of your mind and SO DO ACTS 1:8 with the seal of the Holy Spirit promise to give us HIS JOY .!!
Calvinism is one of the worst damning heresies out there, will debate you anytime bub.
Calvinism is pagan fatalism. Their entire world view is based on everything being predetermined and cannot change. This doesn't match up with the text in the bible. Were God's determinate counsel and foreknowledge can be rejected by man and there are many verses were it is!
bobzblindz Don't equate prophesied future event's with predestined salvation. God already knows the future. He can easily have people write about that future. He does not need to "make it happen." There are instances were God does intervene, but there are instances were God predestined something and man rejected it!
bobzblindz Both are possible. Calvinist's view of "sovereignty" isn't biblical either. To watch Calvinism get dismantled, watch "Calvanism, Predestnation, and Freewill - Richard Jordan" on YT. It's an hour long.
bobzblindz He's just making a joke; he isn't being serious trust me lol. Trust me, he is one of the best pastors to ever live. Did you watch the video all the way through? He dismantles Calvinism. Although, you may need to understand right division and Mid Act's dispensationalism first to fully grasp the video. I cannot say, because I know what that is.
I appreciate your statement about just wanting to know the truth. The issue's with Christianity is that your going to be met with competing points of view in almost all aspects. It's quite a bit of work to weed through all of the nonsense. I did this roughly 7 years ago. I went into a study frenzy because every denomination contradicted themselves against another. I wanted to find the truth, and like you said, I would get swayed one way and then not long after get swayed into something else.
And interestingly, I was finding out that the more you compared them (denominations) to each other. Some of the truth would start to surface. The bible says heresy must exist in the church so that the truth can be made evident. With that said, I was studying 12-16 hours per day non stop for over 2 years Studying it all out.
And it wasn't until the very end of this rigorous time that I fell upon right division and Mid Act's dispensationalism. Not only did it answer every question I couldn't get answered by other denominations, it explained to me why Christianity is filled with so much division and contradiction. If you want to figure out what's going on in the bible, watch some of Richard Jordan's videos. There is a video called "Introduction to the Mystery" by Mike McDaniel. Also, there are others on YT with the same message. Rodney Beaulieu, Ron Knight, Justin Johnson.
In order to figure out who is lying to you are teaching you the truth, it's important to learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. Understand the revelation of the mystery given to Paul. Who exactly is Paul and why is he the most important, next to Christ, person to understand in our bible. Only through Paul can the bible be unlocked correctly, and most Christians today do not understand nor comprehend this. Sadly, very sadly, this is true.
Good luck. I hope you look into the things I talked about. You seem to have an open mind, so if you're honest with yourself. You will see right division is irrefutable by the text on the page. If you use any other bible, other than a KJB, you will not believe anything about what I said above. Only use a KJB. Food for thought.
bobzblindz You're welcome. And good luck. Question everything. Even when you think you are right, try to prove yourself wrong. Echo chambers in this day are detrimental. Especially in traditions of Church doctrine.
Calvinism is works based salvation. They will say salvation if by faith alone, not of works. Then in the very next sentence say proof of salvation is in your works lol. It's self defeating and self contradictory.
There is no contradiction. *Salvation* is not the same thing as *Proof of Salvation*. The Bible does not say that our works cause our salvation, but rather are an effect of our salvation. Our works are evidence of our salvation because saved people love God and so obey his commandments (Jn 14:15, James 2:18).
This is more a Protestant belief than a Calvinist specific belief, btw.
oracleoftroy Exactly. Same thing. Works prove salvation. Therefor, works are required for salvation. NO difference lol.
Your John verse doesn't prove your point. And James 2 is written to the twelve tribes scattered broad. It's not written to the body of Christ. We are under a different gospel and a different dispensation from God. The people in James are back under Peter's gospel. Paul's got the revelation of the mystery. Nothing to do with John nor Peter.
Perhaps this will help you see your cause/effect confusion. Babies are proof that sex has occurred. Babies are not therefore required for sex to occur. And babies and sex are not the same thing. So too works prove that salvation has occurred, but works are not themselves required for salvation, nor is the proof of salvation the same thing as salvation.
As for your dispensationalism, that simply is not found in the Bible. But I am willing to try to show salvation by grace alone from a Calvinist perspective from whatever subset of the Bible you do accept. You'll have to help me out though, since dispensationalists vary greatly on what parts of the Bible still matter. You reject James, will you accept John or Paul's epistles? Do you accept the words of Jesus, or are those for the Jews only? Is any of the old testament valid for Christians?
oracleoftroy 2 Tim 2.15 is in the bible And the word dispensation is used 4 times in the bible. So if you don't understand dispensationalism you will never understand the bible.
As for your question about me. I am a Mid Act's Pauline dispensationalist. To be specific. If you want to know what exactly that is, watch "Paul's Apostleship! - Pastor Richard Jordan" on YT. It's about 25 minutes, because I know for sure you don't understand the bible the way I do. I also will only use a KJB.
My question for you, though, is this. If someone hear's, believes, and trust's the gospel, but they never have any works follow them after, are they saved?
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'll do so soon. For now, I'll answer your questions. As a quick comment, I agree that the word "dispensation" is in the Bible, but the system known as dispensationalism is not. Similarly, the word Ba'al is in the Bible, but the Bible doesn't teach us to worship Ba'al.
For my own part, I hold to covenant theology and postmillennial ecclesiology. The Westminster Confession is a great summary of my beliefs. I tend to use the ESV or Geneva, though the KJV is a fine translation.
_If someone hear's, believes, and trust's the gospel, but they never have any works follow them after, are they saved?_
If they never have any works follow from their salvation, it sounds to me like there is no difference between how they acted before they were saved and after. If they weren't going to church before, they aren't after. If they were having an affair, or stealing, or selfish, or a drunkard, etc before, they still are after. They never had any outward change and still sin without any Christian remorse or conviction, and they never produced the fruit of the spirit. Maybe by words they claim to be a Christian, but from observing their deeds, they seem to be dead in sin.
Now lets say I meet a new person at Church and I learn that just yesterday he heard the Gospel for the first time and decided to become a Christian. He still has all sorts of incorrect beliefs and is still living in all sorts of sin. Yet what a profound change do we already see! Before, he would never step foot in a church, now he desires to submit to the Word and learn about God! He has humbled himself and has started to reorient his life around Jesus. Already, his salvation has produced works, and as he continues his walk with Jesus, many more will come.
I can't help but think of 1 Corinthians, where Paul gives a big list of sins keeping people from God, and then says of the saints in Corinth, "such _were_ some of you." (1 Cor 6:11) Those sins are in the past, not the present, for the believer.
Confusing. What about Romans 2:11? This verse would be a lie, if Calvinism true.
I saw the work this pastor has done with planned parenthood. I wanted to know the background of his beliefs.
I am new to studying different Christian sectors, however I think that Calvinism puts more chains on a person than freedom
_"What about Romans __2:11__? This verse would be a lie, if Calvinism true."_
Huh? Calvinism teaches that there is nothing conditioned on man -- not his deeds, or his thoughts, or his looks, or his class, or anything else -- that merit his salvation. Salvation rests solely on God. So how can God be the respecter of the person? The objection makes no sense.
The objection makes more sense on systems that has God save those who believe the right thing or say the right prayer or do the right works, because then we have a God respecting the words or deeds of man.
oracleoftroy
But God DOES react to man. He saves those who believe, He doesn’t make those whom He saves, to believe.
Calvinism seems backwards to scripture.
Durban is lost and has no idea what he is talking about! Nobody thinks "man saves themselves". He is preaching against a strawman, and believing in a false religion that is not Christianity.
Did you even watch this? Take your filthy slander elsewhere. Repent, while Christ still grants you breath to do so.
@@Yesica1993 Can you back up what you are saying? I am doing as the Apostles would, especially Paul. Also, if you are in the Calvinist religion... how do you get away with being a hypocrite 🤔???
God eternally decreed all things that come to pass, that includes my actions. Are you questioning the will of God?
It is Catholic teaching that only God saves. Praying to Mary and the Saints is asking for help, for intercession, not to them to be saved but that they might also ask for the help of God FOR US … Same with Worship "Worship is reserved for the Godhead alone: God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" .. Catholic Catechism
No disrespect but this is the dumbest comment I’ve ever seen. God alone saving is a Calvinist concept, exactly the opposite of catholic
Jesus literally says no one can go to the Father except thru Him
@@joshuagideons110 God alone is a Catholic concept since Pentecost. It was Martin Luther who actually criticised Catholicism because there was not enough respect for Mary ! Same with Worship "Worship is reserved for the Godhead alone: God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit" .. Catholic Catechism ... Next September we start up our "Faith seeking understanding" group for protestants on their was to Catholicism and every year different people are amazed about the misunderstanding they had about Catholicism ...
@@Seth_Hezekiah That is what his Church has been preaching for 2000 years Come home to HIS Catholic Church
@@1234poppycat I... Don't find any meaningful conversation to be had with papists about their beliefs sadly. It's not really worth my time, nor is it fruitful. Frankly, I just hope you are justified in Christ. If you are, then there's really nothing to be gained here.
Stop collaborating and approving of dr Michael brown !!! Please !!!!!!
Townsend Hamilton, can you support your statement without giving facts to support your claim on dr michael brown as I don't see anything wrong in his preaching. Please state to me anything in particular you have about him. thanks