Bleak picture, but it’s actually worse than you say. The result of teams stockpiling blue chip recruits in certain events means other schools in the conference know they can’t win so they don’t bother even recruiting those events. Don’t believe me look at the ACC. There are schools that don’t even compete in sprinting.
I was recruited by multiple schools in the Big East when it was still legitimate power 5 conference. Every school was in the middle or bottom of the conference. Every coach told me the same thing, I should have a chance to compete by my junior year. Those opportunities didn't seem so appealing, so my mom hired recruiting agency. This is how I found out there were almost 300 Division One XC/T&F schools. I applied to several East Coast schools in small conferences. I was recruited by one, and between an athletic scholarship, financial aid, and my work-study job, I was able to pay for the majority of my schooling and compete in cross-country and track and field meets on a weekly basis. We had the opportunity to race at and against power 5 schools, which was very exciting. Also our conference had several All-Americans and a few professional athletes. I now live in the Washington DC area. There are probably a dozen division one schools within a 1 hour drive. Opportunities for everyone. Go out there and find it.
Thanks for your comment as well as your perspective! I really appreciate it. My story is different but still led me to a smaller D1 program with an opportunity to compete as a valued member of the team.
I ran world class times, realized even being in the finals of the Olympics would get me less money than I made in my job. Plus I’d have to compete vs cheaters I was most likely better than if they weren’t cheating. I want a good life . I don’t care how fast I ran. Most other people don’t care either in the real world.
11:51 I didn’t even know track had a star ranking system. I looked online and couldn’t find a ranking either stats like you could for basketball or football though. Could you explain what makes a 2-5 star athlete for track?
The national recruit rankings are posted on www.scarecruiting.com Any 2 star level recruit can compete somewhere in D1. Bigger programs in D1 like the SEC normally won't even consider a recruit who is not at least 4 star level. That would be first team national elite list on MileSplit at the very least, normally in more than one event. So a hs junior boy who ran 10.52 in the 100 meter dash and 21.43 in the 200 meter dash might be able to walk on at a high major D1 program, but he would still be a top flight recruit for many lower level D1 programs. Many of the athletes who are low 4 star, to 2 star level can end up anywhere, including outside of D1. Pittsburg State is D2, and last season could have been easily a top 25 NCAA D1 program in men's track and field. That's only possible because they got athletes who belonged in D1 to join their team.
I looked at Cal Baptist, whose men's cross country finished 16th at Nationals and beat Washington, Oregon and Boise State in the Western Regional. Every runner from either eastern Europe or South America. How does a coach find those runners?
I ran for Cal baptist, our coach finds those athletes by looking at results of international races such as European Championships, South American, PanAmerican Championships and simply reaching out to them and offering a scholarship.
Even more fascinating than usual. Forgive me if I mentioned this before. Ever since Fiona Smith, a senior at the College of St Benedict, who won the NCAA DIII cross champs with a time that would have placed her right ahead of Amaris Tyynismaa at 24th place in the DI champs, and second-in behind Tuohy for NC State, signed with State as a fifth year starting in the fall, I've been thinking. Last year Henes recruited Abby Loveys, the Princeton Ivy standout as a grad transfer, (who sat out the 2023 XC season) and I wonder if Coach Henes' solution to the problem you have posed is to look around the edges of the so-called universe of possibilities? I don't think you have made a vid explicitly on the wisdom or hazards of breaking out of the DI orthodoxy to try explaining the nuances you reveal to us. Keep up the good work Coach. I look for your vids before I look for anything else in my feed because they are always so high-level. Thanks! PJT
Thanks for your comment. They are always very thoughtful. I give a lot of consideration to reverse engineering how college coaches are solving their recruiting problems. Once you build up a like NC State has done, it gets much easier to pull in recruit, particularly on the distance side. The portal is allowing programs like Texas Tech to basically hack the system, and steal all of the good athletes from somebody else once they are proven with scholarship dollars. it is almost like known programs have coaches, who develop athletes for someone else to win big with in the future.
You not mentioning Kentucky with a WR holder Sydney McLaughlin and Olympic gold medalist Jasmine Comancho Quinn and Worlds Gold medalist Abby Steiner is just wrong
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Bleak picture, but it’s actually worse than you say. The result of teams stockpiling blue chip recruits in certain events means other schools in the conference know they can’t win so they don’t bother even recruiting those events. Don’t believe me look at the ACC. There are schools that don’t even compete in sprinting.
I was recruited by multiple schools in the Big East when it was still legitimate power 5 conference. Every school was in the middle or bottom of the conference. Every coach told me the same thing, I should have a chance to compete by my junior year.
Those opportunities didn't seem so appealing, so my mom hired recruiting agency. This is how I found out there were almost 300 Division One XC/T&F schools.
I applied to several East Coast schools in small conferences. I was recruited by one, and between an athletic scholarship, financial aid, and my work-study job, I was able to pay for the majority of my schooling and compete in cross-country and track and field meets on a weekly basis.
We had the opportunity to race at and against power 5 schools, which was very exciting. Also our conference had several All-Americans and a few professional athletes.
I now live in the Washington DC area. There are probably a dozen division one schools within a 1 hour drive. Opportunities for everyone. Go out there and find it.
Thanks for your comment as well as your perspective! I really appreciate it. My story is different but still led me to a smaller D1 program with an opportunity to compete as a valued member of the team.
I ran world class times, realized even being in the finals of the Olympics would get me less money than I made in my job. Plus I’d have to compete vs cheaters I was most likely better than if they weren’t cheating.
I want a good life . I don’t care how fast I ran. Most other people don’t care either in the real world.
Dang that struck a chord with me
Stop lying 🤥
11:51 I didn’t even know track had a star ranking system. I looked online and couldn’t find a ranking either stats like you could for basketball or football though. Could you explain what makes a 2-5 star athlete for track?
The national recruit rankings are posted on www.scarecruiting.com
Any 2 star level recruit can compete somewhere in D1. Bigger programs in D1 like the SEC normally won't even consider a recruit who is not at least 4 star level. That would be first team national elite list on MileSplit at the very least, normally in more than one event. So a hs junior boy who ran 10.52 in the 100 meter dash and 21.43 in the 200 meter dash might be able to walk on at a high major D1 program, but he would still be a top flight recruit for many lower level D1 programs.
Many of the athletes who are low 4 star, to 2 star level can end up anywhere, including outside of D1. Pittsburg State is D2, and last season could have been easily a top 25 NCAA D1 program in men's track and field. That's only possible because they got athletes who belonged in D1 to join their team.
I looked at Cal Baptist, whose men's cross country finished 16th at Nationals and beat Washington, Oregon and Boise State in the Western Regional. Every runner from either eastern Europe or South America. How does a coach find those runners?
I ran for Cal baptist, our coach finds those athletes by looking at results of international races such as European Championships, South American, PanAmerican Championships and simply reaching out to them and offering a scholarship.
Even more fascinating than usual. Forgive me if I mentioned this before. Ever since Fiona Smith, a senior at the College of St Benedict, who won the NCAA DIII cross champs with a time that would have placed her right ahead of Amaris Tyynismaa at 24th place in the DI champs, and second-in behind Tuohy for NC State, signed with State as a fifth year starting in the fall, I've been thinking.
Last year Henes recruited Abby Loveys, the Princeton Ivy standout as a grad transfer, (who sat out the 2023 XC season) and I wonder if Coach Henes' solution to the problem you have posed is to look around the edges of the so-called universe of possibilities? I don't think you have made a vid explicitly on the wisdom or hazards of breaking out of the DI orthodoxy to try explaining the nuances you reveal to us. Keep up the good work Coach. I look for your vids before I look for anything else in my feed because they are always so high-level. Thanks! PJT
Thanks for your comment. They are always very thoughtful. I give a lot of consideration to reverse engineering how college coaches are solving their recruiting problems. Once you build up a like NC State has done, it gets much easier to pull in recruit, particularly on the distance side.
The portal is allowing programs like Texas Tech to basically hack the system, and steal all of the good athletes from somebody else once they are proven with scholarship dollars. it is almost like known programs have coaches, who develop athletes for someone else to win big with in the future.
It's not just track & field. This is EVERY sport. Transfwr portal has RUINED amateur sports. RUINED
Why do you need D1, what about D2 or D3
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You not mentioning Kentucky with a WR holder Sydney McLaughlin and Olympic gold medalist Jasmine Comancho Quinn and Worlds Gold medalist Abby Steiner is just wrong
He basically did, Kentucky is in the SEC conference.