I rode the first UK legal throttle Ebike
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- 🚨 THIS IS NOT A DRILL 🚨
Meet the Pedibal E-Cruiza - the Ebike with a LEGAL THROTTLE! No more worrying about regulations or restrictions, because this bad boy is DVSA approved, giving you the freedom to cruise around town without a care in the world 🚴🏻♂️💨
Join me as I take the E-Cruiza for a spin around the streets of London, putting this electric wonder to the ultimate test, right in front of the police! 😬👀
🚲 Get your own DVSA approved Pedibal E-Cruiza:
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0:00 THIS is illegal!
0:22 The first look
1:50 Trying the throttle!
3:28 Full throttle speed test 💨
4:38 Ride test through London
7:12 Pedibal's Story
8:52 Baiting the police... 👀
10:09 Encounter with the Police
11:00 Photoshoot time
11:16 Features 🚲
12:49 How is it DVSA approved?
14:47 What do you think?
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A loophole for mobility impaired people is so needed. For someone with early arthritis or chronic fatigue an e-bike with throttle is a lifesaver.
Having a throttle E bike is the only way I would be to ride a bike with my kids, but seeing the amount of hassle it would be to actually get one in the UK, I don't think I'm ever going to get to go for a ride with them before they get too old and are leaving for University.
@@bluechang08 would you ever consider getting one and riding one illegally? (Owning one isn’t illegal, riding it in public is)
@@borninthewoods4482 I don't know, maybe. My only concern by doing it illegally is any potential implications for trouble with my driving licence as I need that to get around places further afield along with my wife and kids.
Only in England would there be a system requiring individual bikes to be approved, instead of a representative example. What a nonsense.
UK Ministers are debating this now, the feasibility of doubling the motor power to 500w and making throttles legal without type approval.
@@IOOoo0000ooOOI Yes, I did respond positively to the survey. My point is that it is nonsensical (under current legislation) not to have a type approval. For the DSA to test every one of a series production is just bureaucratic nonsense, which we in the UK are really good at!
I agree, pointless red tape for something that would be beneficial for those with mobility issues... let's hope we get good news from this new consultaion.@@rigilchrist
@@IOOoo0000ooOOII hope it won't come out a result of a new license and insurance required.
No it’s in the Eu. It was the Eu who decided that these bikes needed type approval. Since brexit, we decided to keep the type approval requirement, however, the dft are now i consultation to change this. Given that type approval isn’t possible in the EU, these kind of bikes are still illegal over there. However, given that type approval is possible for the uk via the DVsA approval route, they are perfectly legal here :)
As you just demonstrated, no loophole is needed, because Dibble doesn't give a stuff. If you want extra security, wear a puffa jacket with a DeliverEats bag on your back, don't have any lights and ride with your mobile phone in your hand. Then you can blast your 750W Allegro electric motorcycle at 30mph on pavements without anyone blinking twice. There's no point in being legal when criminality is never sanctioned.
All good until someone walks into your path and gets injured, regardless of who is to blame, if you're on something illegal, it makes things difficult for you, also difficult for future changes in legislation, people love to hate cyclists!
Not forgetting the two battery's duck tapped to the frame 😂
Deliveroo or Drugeroo? Can you tell?
@@shardlake
Difficult only if the cyclist STOPS
the person who hit me 3 years ago did not.
It’s marvellous the legal require mental and the only difference is that it will move without you peddling, as for speed it doesn’t go as fast as someone can pedal it, granted a bit more energy but if you can pedal at 40mph your legal do do so in a 40 zone, and as it maybe bicycles are rarely doing those speeds there’s no telling when an accident can happen at 40 or at 4 mph, otherwise they wouldn’t be accidents if we new they were going to happen it would be sort of premeditated, so I think the main criteria should be brakes after all throttle or not to make it go along is more dangerous if you can’t stop, just my rant on the farces of the law
I'm an old guy, getting rolling before I have both feet on the pedals is key, before wobbling and falling off, LOL.
Your can get throttle assist upto walking speed without this testing, which solves the getting going issue.
Regular e-bikes of the more premium mid-mounted motor kind usually has a torgue sensor that starts giving you power just by pushing down on one pedal from a standstill (with one foot still on the ground).
Unlike the cheaper wheel-mounted motors which may only have a cadence sensor, aka they only gives you power after you get the cranks turning a bit.
@@Erafune
The key words premium ... they can be a lot more expensive and if you have health problems bad knees etc bad ones are no use.
The other is buying a dedicated electric bike when you have one or more existing quality bikes sized to fit or already kitted
out for cargo, touring or other duties you have big problems and added expenses converting.. if you have a motor in wheel kit you can swap it between same size wheel bikes and control it from a throttle ..like a MC.. you can always restrict top speed incase the car drivers stuck in traffic get too angry and try running you down or belting past you then turning across you at the next junction.
There's also no way of running a pusher cargo or kiddie trailer that can otherwise be swapped between multiple bikes and do multiple jobs ..and also removed and still left behind...the most logical solution, if you want or need to leave the wt bulk or risk of a Epower system behind all you do is unhitch and unplug the trailer...and a throttle controller display unit.
The Germans even offer a wireless throttle system and integrated display.
But that would be too helpful and cut the manufacturers out of a third of the market...and the Premium price tags..that 60% of bicycle 🚲 users could never afford . So how about increasing the Wattage allowance ...you can still cap speed ...so larger people and busy people can get small kids to nurseries and schools and get heavy loads home using the many bikes we have already. 🙄 To stop the waste and limit the pollution of producing more bikes that often cannot be ridden really when they are flat or develope a fault.. and you cannot get replacement parts for once the manufacturers chang their model specs every two or three years. Oh yes that's what they learned from the Auto trade. 🤷🏻♂️🧙🏼♂️
It's not a loophole. It just proves a specific ebike meets the criteria set out by the standard. There's nothing to stop anyone else putting their existing throttle ebike through an SVA test. All the information is available. Even a more powerful ebike can be put through an SVA test and ridden as a moped, scooter or motorcycle. It's all possible and could work out cheaper than buying and electric moped or scooter from the outset. People build their own cars and motorcycles, so why not?
Facts. Andy kirby has an old video on how to do exactly that.
A Kitcar....bike...
@@Kumari_44what’s the video called? Thanks
@@bigzybinc ‘registering an ebike as a motorcycle’ & ‘road legal ebike tested’ 👍🏽
its worth mentioning though that if you get your ebike SVA certified as a moped or motorbike, then you can no longer ride it in cycle lanes... which in my opinion defeats the point of owning an ebike (there is an arguement for it being more environmentally friendly yes) as you can no longer take the shortcuts or scenic routes. You may as well just own a moped/motorbike at that point as they will go much faster and do not need to through the hassle/cost of getting certified for road use
So many people cycling around illegally, do the police ever check?
I was in Leicester during the week and the city centre is plagued with fast food delivery guys speeding around on electric bikes, very few are using pedals and no way they are restricted to 15.5 mph.
Checks are nearly impossible; a hard and fast crime is a marked motor wattage of over 250W, no pedal-assist, or a speed over 15.5mph. It's very easy to re-mark a motor as being a lower wattage than it really is, knowing if a bike truly has pedal-assist is only done by riding it (although granted, if it has no pedals - dead giveaway!), and the average bobby can't run at more than about 7mph (or 5.5mph after lunchtime).
Solving the problem would be a case of overhauling public and private transport as well as pedestrianism; at the end of the day I'd rather we had the technology and used it safely than banned it and forced its users to therefore be always-unsafe. No government wants to bother with that though, so they're just kinda ignoring the issue as long as there are bigger problems to deal with.
Same with hot-boy motorists..
@@segue2ant395 it’s really no different to anyone running around in an uninsured vehicle. The chances of being stopped are probably millions to one.
wow how awful, wait til you hear about the 10s of thousands of people cars kill every year
Lets be logical here. On basic numbers alone. Do you really think police have that much manpower or time to stop THAT many riders on 1000w+ ebikes. It would be the absolute biggest waste of police resources ever! And even if they could, and they took all the powerfull bikes off the road. For as little as £600 you could just build yourself another 1000w ebike and be right back at it again. Its not even worth pursuing them. And The police know this better than anyone.
I've got MS, and this could be great to get me back outdoors, where a traditional pedal bike is too much for my leg weakness.
Thats why i hope for you (and one of my family members, who lost 1 leg) the consultation is passed changing the power limit to 500w is needed for hills if you allow throttle only, the 250w will not do any hills without pedal assitance.(ive tested it for my cousin trying to get one of these dvsa throttle approved bikes)
At 18 I was "diagnosed" with epilepsy and so lost my driving licence, I took to cycling and enjoyed the freedom it gave me as my diagnosis lost me my job too, I loved cycling but in 2001 I was diagnosed with something called Ménière's disease, it causes vertigo, deafness and tinnitus, most people don't have all three but I do (that's beside the point), the last time I rode a bike was 2009 (life got in the way after that) but I want to get back to cycling again and this seems like a possibility for me, I don't have epilepsy as first thought, but I would like to know more about an e-bike (for getting away without falling off at junctions etc) but the rest I am happy to peddle with the assistance when needed thanks to age getting the better of me now and not having the strength which I used to have.
@@chrisshelley3027 Good luck Chris on your e-bike journey! Hopefully we can both find some success and enjoyment on these new breed of bikes. I’m currently using an indoor spin bike to build up some leg strength to prepare myself for these bikes.
@@msagoo29 Hi, I have my bike, I'm not looking for financial assistance especially (though a little would help) I'm wanting the laws/rules to change with regard to people like ourselves who need that small change at certain points whilst riding, such as getting away at junctions and just getting started from the curb, I'm not looking to be travelling at 40 MPH without peddling, a change in the laws to make it safe and therefore easier to get out and be as fit as possible under the circumstances, sadly it seems to be too much to ask currently, but we'll see hopefully.
If you already have a blue badge status you should be able to get a mobility allowance that would pay for one of these..
Jumping through so many hoops and at all times increasing the cost of the bike while more money goes to the DVSA. Such a messed up system we have here in the UK. Remember the electric scooter trial that they are still dragging out?
This could help me so much with my mobility issues, i appreciate u going into detail in that area
The best part about a throttle on these little ebikes is that at a complete stop at an intersection is that it gets you OUT of the way of cars at the intersection. The cars are not waiting for the rider getting frustrated waiting for "that damn bike", We zip into the bike lane in better control, out of the way, no wobble. You know how rider and bikes wobble at the start? Which aggravates the car driver... I bet you do a study proving that the throttle, going up to 15-18mph in a smooth fashion may actually change the law? Its safer for sure. Cheers.
As long as cyclist follows the highway code, which as we know, majority does not. We already have illegal vehicles on the road, so this is not a game changer (at least in London) police doesn't do anything about anything anymore, except car drivers as they are easiest target...and perhaps social media police.
@@AndyPandy33 The highway code that says Cyclists have priority over cars?
Which as we know, you probably don't.
@@smeghead666 You missed the point I was making and are projecting now. I drive for a living and could have a debate with a willing people, you are not willing to have a debate though, you just want to project. Good riddance.
You mean the same code that says cyclists do NOT have priority over pedestrians?@@smeghead666
@@AndyPandy33 i ride on the pavements so i dont get run over by divvy road users
Wisper eBikes already do this with their Full Throttle option. They get every eBike individually type approved with the DVLA so you can use the throttle up to 15.5 mph without pedalling. It costs about £300 extra.
Yep. Was literally just thinking this myself.
🤣
In austria there are no extra cost for anything as long its limited to 25 km/h.
Also, since our police is more realistic, they dont even care about fast e-bikes or scooters as long we are driving normally.
Because of that, i can enjoy a "powerful" (1000W, 2000W peak) scooter which goes up to 45 km/h and its even cheap (600€ new), unlike the "strong" legal scooters which are mostly super expensive.
Yeah it's a moped.
Thanks for that. This video is just too long and I didn't make it to the big reveal.
Love your energy and nice video editing/script ❤
A moped has always been legal up to 50cc on a provisional license right?
Got my Cruiza last week, it's great for commuting, the throttle comes into it's own after a long day at work, i was lucky and mark had my bike already approved, only took a few days to arrive in scotland. great bikes, great company.
Get off the public roads-you are a menace to pedestrians, 'normal' cyclists and motorists....
@@HunkumSpunkum rude
@@HunkumSpunkum you might be talking of the fast food delivery ebikers… otherwise sweeping spammy spunky clap trap 🤪
@@HunkumSpunkumBack off you arrogant person.
Great to hear you share your personal experience more so that it performs to your expectations
With no seat height adjustment, it needs to be throttle controlled.
It would like pedalling a bmx bike only 5 times heavier if the battery ran out.
But its a pretty cool looking piece of transport.
Valid point, as you alluded to this style of Cruisa frame and design provides a more relaxed ride, and the ride position certainly differs to that of a standard road cycle so the optimum riding experience is compromised, although can be ridden unassisted via the standard gears, certainly benefits from a good battery performance for an effortless ride
The issue with this is, the government is currently considering the legality of using the throttle for use above the 3.7mph ish max speed and raising the speed limit above the current 15.5mph but if they are going to make money from individuals or company applying for the legality of these then they won’t change anything.
*Heard companies doin this per individual ebike,* well done to them!
⚡️👏🏽👏🏽👌🏽👌🏽⚡️
Good-lookin ebikes too!
Yes he didn’t say the cost of certification but I guess it’s similar to an MOT?
As a uk motorcyclist we call it a twist grip as opposed to the thumb throttle, I own 20 motorcycles one of which is the electric victory empulse TT. Keep safe, 2 wheels = freedom😊
Hi, This is great news for me, I'm in my 70's and basically my lungs a re knackered and I can't walk very far, so riding a bike is out of the question. I fly a drone and live in Cumbria and have been looking for this type of bike, which must fold so I can get it in the boot of my car to get to some out of the way places up some tracks. As I said there is no way I would attempt to try and walk up even a slight incline and some of the places are about 3/4 mile to where I would fly my drone. Would the folding version do the job, the max distance would be about 1 1/2 miles round trip and could I do it without having to pedal at all. Thanks.
Definitely worth shooting Pedibal an email to talk about options. The Navigata (folding bike) will have enough range, but you need to talk to them about the degree of inclines and also how much you weigh as both will impact the pushing power of the motor.
Yes very true but have you also seen those little monkey bikes that fit into a car boot? A lot of hire-car delivery people use them to return to base when dropping off a hire car to a customer..
Your lungs are knackered David because of all the ciggys you've smoked over the years.
Mine goes 33 mph. Police have seen me loads over the last 2 years and no problems. I got stopped on my electric skateboard but that was advice about visibility for car drivers to see me.
The bikes great only 900!
Which one goes over 30? Mine goes to 24 max
All E-bikes, that were made before 1st Jan. 2016. that has a throttle control, are legal. I used to own a 2015 Oxygen Hybrid E-Bike, with the l throttle. The engine cut out at 15.5mph. 😊
You can easily unlock the speed to its full 24mph which i highly recommend. You need that extra speed for hills
True, great point.
Nice to see you relax mate. All the best to you and family 👍🖖⭐
Does it comewith proper road tyres? Knobbly tyres are designed for mud off road and very slippery on a wet road.
My electric bike has a twist throttle and was built in the 80s would you believe. It was a prototype designed for towing stuff round an airport. It's got modern batteries and can go about 15 mph.
Thanks to your channel I just ordered the Pedibal Navigata® Folding Electric Bike with throttle!!!!!!
Perfect video, perfect presenter. Subbed. Also, now missing London.
Question is, if you get a EAPC certified electric cycle and then after purchase make any changes to it - would it then need to be re-certified?
I would say yes as it’s no longer Eapc tested if it been modified. I suppose it all depends if you seriously injure someone in an accident or not.
Iv been using my Iretta 2 here in Finland for around 2 years now and its basically the same bike with only no throttle, and i enjoy using it even if im 183 cm tall.
Is the battery Hailong 1/2 type?
Actually, type approved means that they only need to see one bike and then any other identical bikes will then automatically type approved under the same make and model. I use to do this with kit cars and its the same process for car manufacturers
Nope.
It's like kit cars.
My MiRider GB3 has a throttle, and as long as you’re moving your legs in a pedalling motion, it will push you along at 15.5mph
That's right! If you're pedalling you can go up to 15.5mph with the throttle - a handy addition to zip away at the traffic lights
seems pointless, you can hit 15.5mph with pedalling any ebike, therefore the throttle is just for the sake of it if it doesnt work independently
Mines about 10 years old which was before they released the "no throttle" rule.
It's still pedelec but you can use it as throttle only.
Shame the thing is now falling apart !
Great video, Eilis, good to see the huge smile on your lovely face. The idea of the loophole is brilliant, but the chafing frame thing is weird, not for everyone. This is better than an escooter, it makes people want to get about responsibly without a car. No worries about the police though, they are far too busy sorting out Twitter spats to do look out for people committing crimes! Well done.
My MiRider with 250w motor and throttle requires no effort but pedals do need to turn for throttle to work up to 15.5mph. Great mode of transport 👍
It's a really handy feature for getting away quickly at the traffic lights!
Sound similar to the e skoota
I love seeing your bike on your videos. Orange baby!
General requirements - EAPC classification
The EAPC regulations[footnote 1] as amended[footnote 2] set out the requirements that EAPCs must satisfy if they are not to be treated as motor vehicles when used on roads in GB - i.e. do not need to be licensed and registered etc. The requirements are the:
cycle must be fitted with pedals that are capable of propelling it.
maximum continuous rated power of the electric motor must not exceed 250 Watts.
electrical assistance must cut-off when the vehicle reaches 15.5 mph
(Note: the previous limit on motor power for bicycles and the restrictions on weight, and the number of wheels an EAPC may have, were removed on 6 April 2015).
An EAPC which complies with the above is not considered to be a motor vehicle within the meaning of the ‘Road traffic regulation act 1984’ and the ‘Road traffic act 1988’. As a result, it is not required to be registered or subject to vehicle excise duty (road tax), and does not have to be insured as a motor vehicle. However, EAPCs must not be ridden by anyone under the age of 14 years[footnote 3].
Power assistance - “Twist and Go”
Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed.
However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads.
This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved.
So what's all the secret info about that they can not tell us about?
All true read same on Government website
twist and go cannot exceed 3.4mph
nope not if made before 2016@@dcd231
@@TCBOT actually yes its called grandfather rights already been stopped by police and proved them wrong too
Super interesting video! Finally, twist and go is starting to arrive!!
Hurrah!
I prefer e-bikes that are more alike traditional bikes in terms of design and geometry. Those more motorcycle alike e-bike invites you to throttle. Would be nice to see some e-bike with thumb throttle as the ones we get with quadricycles, in a ebike with a invinting geometry to pedal.
Is an electric bike with a throttle and top speed of 40kph (25mph) legal to ride if the rider has a full Motorcycle licence, a legal helmet and insurance?
This looks great just what I was looking for, need a bike to commute to work but has been so hard finding a fun cruiser at a decent price without going into high end mountain bike territory.
Thanks for your feedback and encouraging words 👍
The law is very simple.
1. Motor less than 250W? - it fails
2. Throttle cuts out at 6 kph? if fails
3. Assist cuts out at 15.5 mph
If it fails any of those tests, its a motorbike. You need a type certificate, insurance, a kite marked helmet, number plate, register the motorbike with the DLVA. Then you can use it on the road.
I ride my ebike for exercise. PAS is for assistance when needed which could be a strong head wind as well as a couple of road bridges.
fair play to the company going through the whole registration process. Hope it doesn't bankrupt the business and the e bikes don't increase in price
They're a good bunch!
To be fair I think the inspection/ certification process does levy a small charge ..
@philtucker1224 there is a charge £45 for first inspection then £15 for a reinspection after if unsuccessful
@@SirLordCustardthe10th Pedibal then add £100 to that £45 so total they are charging for bike with certificate is £145 more than their bike without a certificate.
If this is under L1e, do you need to wear a motorbike helmet and not a bicycle helmet ?
Amazing! Very interesting to see a twist n go now legal! This puts me in a position to now look at them! As a 6’ 2” large build oldish guy (56) would it take my weight and not suffer? Or is there a weight & height limit on these bikes? I say weight I’m around 19st but don’t look it, if that makes sense? Oh I also now subscribe thank you for the info and interesting video 👏
Having no seat height adjustment would be a big no for me as I like to pedal and put effort in.
Well that's okay not every bike is for everyone! Their folding bike also comes with an additional throttle if you prefer
@@ElectroheadsI agree with you, but it does make a cruiser an odd choice when you only have two models, IMO. *shrug*
No you’re not supposed to. You’d be better- off fitting a front “power assist” pack to your existing bike if you still want to exercise/pedal your bike..
@@philtucker1224 Why would you be better off doing that? Electric conversions void bike warranties, for one. It would have poor weight distribution compared to a purpose-built mid-drive e-bike for another. They're more prone to failure, since the bike isn't engineered for the extra weight and other stresses for a third. What advantage are you pointing to?
@@ScrapKing73 all of those reasons you have stated are very minor and relatively unimportant. The advantage of adding the ( very popular) power assist packs are that they are far cheaper than a whole new bike purchase and allow you to keep your favourite regularly used bike.
Its still 250 watt motor so its ideal as a peddle assist, having a hand throttle means the battery will have reduced range also peddles will still be needed for hills . As a senior I prefer peddle assist for health benefits, using a hand throttle the humble bike becomes a moped .
the motor is a bafang go60/62, these are rated at peaks of 750w/1kw, so dvla will type approve any bike as long as it has a speed limiter.
The Bafang on this model is GO60 250D motor rated at 48v 250w 80Nm which not only is UK compliant but offers a good performance😀
@@pedibal you aint getting 80nm from just 250w mate, the motor peaks at 750w.
Looks handy , but how long is that battery going to last range wise without pedalling , you can guarantee that oldies and people that just want to get from point A To point B without effort will use it that way.
And I’m not being disparaging about that , just saying some people will use it that way.
The pedal position is a fail imo , or is it the non adjustable seat ?
Either way that would play havoc on the old knees.
You'll be lucky to get 10 miles out of it, less with any hills, and you'll be crawling up them.
It wouldn't go up hills without pedalling, my bike shows 1600w on the screen under full throttle and it drops to 12mph on some of the hills around me. Mind you they are absolutely stupid hills that nobody on a normal bike can cycle faster than 3mph up.@@rogerborg
If you convert an existing bike or build your own from parts then you can have a throttle legally, because the law only refers to bikes that are manufactured for sale not DIY or conversions.
Whisper ebikes have effectively done this for years. Pay an extra £100 and they get your new (Whisper) ebike certified, full throttle allowed (up to 15.5mph).
On other bikes full throttles are allowed so long as they work through the pedal assist system. Instant power upto 6kmh then if you are turning the pedals full power to 15.4mph. Rad power on their 250w bikes use this system, but not now easily available. Woosh ebikes have produced some bikes like this also. Don't know why they are not much more common.
Hi I've got a engwe ep2 if i keep throttle off and keep it at 15.5 is that ok for uk law
As somebody with many different injuries, over time everything gets harder, my e-bike is a life saver for me to get about.
Do you need any license/testing/CBT before buying one of these?
Batribike have been doing this for years with a triger throttle not with a twist throttle as stated in legal jargon, small movement of the pedals & pres the throttle the motor kicks in.
Hi. Can I get a dvsa certificate for any ebike with a throttle. Is so how do I go about getting one please? Thanks. Wayne
I need this. Like the white folding one which I want to see your video on. I have COPD so I am particularly interested in having one of these. With, a spare battery to get me out of trouble if I need a bit of extra distance and with a rear rack bag and twin panier bags. Possibly a front rack and bag.
Is thumb throttle limited to 4 mph, it’s a farce when an average person can keep at constant 10 mph
Pre-2016 ebikes could have a throttle all the way up to 15.5 mph when the law changed under "granddad rules" you could still legally ride one as it was bought before the law changed, how do I know as I have got one and still riding it today
Take my money!! Awesome video as always guys :D
YEEEES! Big love 🙏
under the old uk ebike regs all ebikes had a trottle and trikes c5 any one but had max motor power of 200w not 250w and these where extreamly slow most ran off lead acid batterys tga made one it ran of 2 17ah /pre 1994 15ah 12v batterys for 24v 200w 3 speed hub twist and go 200w motor by EMD (ALSO USED TO OPEN ROLLER SHUTTER DOORS ) LOL
Nothing wrong with lead acid as long its in the right vehicle.
I met today a man driving a 45 km/h electric "Tuctuc". We talked about it a bit and it turned out he got it 50% off from a store BRAND NEW, instead of 3000€ "just" 1500€ because it got somehow (its new!?) a dent in the loading space.
1500€, this thing goes with 60V (5x 12V) Lead Acid batteries over 40 km, drive in fast gear 40-45 and in slow gear 20 km/h and EVERY HILL UP. The loading area has even seats to pull out and he transported 2 grandchildren and some toys.
I would prefer Lead Acid at any heavier/bigger vehicle such as a basic TucTuc, but sadly on our scooters and bikes if we need moderate range we need some better batteries, namely Lithium Ion.
yea but on a ebike 3x12v 12ah isnt light you get the work out wheeling it out the gate thing im thinking of was called a powerbike single speed very short crank arms 200w brushed motor center pull brakes on steel chrome wheels it was aimed at older ppl but man it was a tank and a grade 6 hill was impossable lol but on a gokart say 1800w my1020 motor 5 of the same battery works well @@harrison00xXx
@@TCBOT ohh, brushed motor, that hurts :D
Yeah definitely a very basic senior device when it comes to performance.
I personally dont even use regular Li Ion cells, i plan in the future a „safe“ LiFePo battery on my long range scooter filling the entire space and right now im on a much smaller DIY made LiPo pouch cell pack out of chinese (Turnigy, good brand) performance RC packs.
yep rc car lipos are fab in uk the price is 3x what is was afew years ago about 7 years ago i use the maulti star 6s 8ah lipos to run a 12kw stealth bomber bike had one huge crash (bike was nicked batterys crunched no fire impressive i road it back standing on swing arm was chasing the guy who nicked it in a volvo v70r didnt want to risk putting it in the car was 3 miles away rebuilt it with another frame same batterys after lots of hard use there more or less eol this year after 7 years hard use got some a123 cells built a few packs with this year @@harrison00xXx
Does it deal with potholes?
Nice that seat looks comfy
11:29 - They're the "knobblies" on knobbly tyres. Same as the term used in motocross.
I have one it's great at a red stoplight and you don't have to change gears anymore.
All good, but how's it repairability? So many e bikes are e waste once the motor goes
Love it! I really wish they would get realistic with the standards. Too many are virtually forced to game their bikes to throttle, and then they don't think twice about gaming them to go too fast. Actually riding car speed on city streets is much safer than having vehicles fly by, but a bike not build to spec hitting a pothole at speed spells a massive increase in the chance of disaster. It's also obvious that those with disabilities or other issue need throttle assist more than 4mph. Can't wait to see the folder version.
I got 2 fat tire folding ebikes in the USA & took the chainring & chain off. Disconnected the cadence sensor & put a crank arm with both pedal hanging down as foot pegs swinging free. Just use thumb throttles & the cops could care less.
I think you mean "could NOT care less".
@@manolisgledsodakis873 Yes, that makes it sound like they are a little bit interested.
What’s your daily E-bike Eilis?
How many E bike riders with standard pedelecs that have fitted a thumb throttle travelling at below 20MPH have actually been stopped by Police ?
I wonder if you can get the Fiido Q1 or Q2 with the paperwork? It's got a throttle, speed of an e-bike... but *cheeky grin* no peddles for the pretend game of "no I'm really exercising"
Great video, can Mark Price Legalise any e-bike or does he just do his own?
Can you do a video review of the Pedibal Navigata?
The thing I really struggle getting an answer to is will it fit in an estate car? A van yes, but estate cars have smaller silly doors. This is where I get to use the word aperture in its traditional sense. I struggle to get even a normal bike through the aperture to gain access to my estate cars copious interior space. It's okay for a shopping bag but not a big stretchy bike. I need dimensions to get through the "access hole" (That's why someone invented the word aperture} because if you put this in your car at home and then take it to Private land, even council owned private land, somewhere you walk your dog type of private land, you could get a 1000 watt one and the police couldn't touch you as long as it goes back in your car to take it home and never sees the public road. So will it fit in an Audi A4? Or do I need to buy a van in order to buy a bike that is road illegal but legal to rag about in open countryside? At this rate I need to buy a van in order to get a powerful bike and also move to Scotland for the fun rough stuff free of coppers. And I'd probably get arrested for a hate crime somehow if I did that.
That Pedibal E-Cruiza is majorly cool! Not as cool as the NewGen (RIP) but still, it would probably carry me, which is a bonus! Now if Pedibal wanted to be even cooler, a Metallic Orange frame ... The Navigator is the one that makes most sense for a commuter ... at 19 kg ... and it looks very elegant in white!
Get your nasty electric contraption off our roads!
@@HunkumSpunkum get your nastiness off our conversation.
@@HunkumSpunkumidiot troll 😅😅😅
@@Alessandro--- Metallic orange would look SO good
I’m confused as I have a certificate stating that my my 750 watt throttled whisper bike is Road legal for 15 mph so why is this the first ?
No it’s not (unless you have undergone the same inspection and certification process and been awarded a DVLC vin number) - as described in the video. Speed must also be strictly limited to 15.5 mph evidently (even though your is three times more powerful than that?) what are your thoughts?🤔
It isn't the first. Wisper have been doing them for a long time.
It's a click-bait video.
Yours sounds like it is not a low power moped at >250W, so you need insurance, registration etc. When our Govt gets off their useless butts and start regulating properly, it could one for confiscate + crush if used illegally.
I've had my electric bike for about 7 years now and I have a twist grip throttle. this has never been a problem for me.
That doesn't make it legal though. Some people are driving around in their cars without passing a test and it's never been a problem for them .
can you ride it on a cycle track if its been approved for road?
Yes, it's an EPAC. You can go where a regular bike can go.
Can they do this with any bike or just ones they manufacture?
Just do it yourself... Get a list of requirements from the website and bring the bike up to spec. Easy.
@@vesavius I could, but then I still wouldn't know whether they can do it with any bike or just their own.
Just put mudguard covering the rear of the front wheel, and an adjustable seat it does effect your joints, on a motorcycle it’s uncomfortable taller riders when they can’t get a longer fit, and do the handle bars adjust too.
They used to sell things similar to this in catalogues. They had 50cc engines and a shopping basket, for £499.
Its sick how this channel gets 0 views without her, bikes are so boring yet I'm still entertained
Always 0 views before posting ?🤔
whens the 30mph version coming out ?
A technical comment about the video. The video quality would be better if it was edited at the same frame rate as the original from the camera. Very good audio quality for a radio mic you wear, better than most on TH-cam.
You should di a video series in getting an ebike tyoe approved as a moped. There are a few videos online from the likes of andy kirby who did it a few years ago. Insurance is possible and a cbt is pretty easy to get so the video series could be quite in depth.
Can you use them when drunk
That's a good start, hopefully there will be more type approved ebike to be sold in the UK. Or even, better, to allow a full speed throttle to be classified as EPAC. I see there is a red button near the throttle, is that a kill switch? If it is, good safety design... Hopefully there will be an hydraulic brake (with power cutoff) version of that ebike...
Red button toggles the throttle on and off, safety feature.
Yes you got it! A nice safety feature that can kill the throttle if needed.
If the assisted speed limit is up to 15 or so MPH then throttle assistance to 15 MPH shouldn't be an issue. Great video.
Yes I don't see what difference it makes if somebody's legs are going around or not.
I haven't got a throttle on my ebike and I don't want one, what I do want is enough power to get up the hills and where I live even 750w bikes struggle
750w stock should be more than enough for someone who isnt overweight. But if so, then its an easy fix. just upgrade the controller and battery voltage for more power & torque.
A 48v or 52v battery on a dual volt controller that supports both voltages should see your problem solved. Easy peasy.
@@Kumari_44 Thanks 😉
I want one. Love this. Absolutely love it.
To be fair it's not an achievement to have made this bike legal. It's a problem that this is illegal in the first place.
I think a name change is in order. If someone asks you what make it is and you shout back pedibal, it sounds a bit odd.
So, are all of these e-bike models road legal in the U.K. at 28mph because it has a throttle to get round loopholes to legalise it for use? If so, it sounds great and a lot cheaper then buying more expensive e-bikes that cost a lot to maintain.
That bike fully meets the L1e-A category. The other points the rider needs to know are: the rider needs a motorcycle helmet. it’s subject to VED, MoT and insurance. It needs to be registered and carry a number plate and you need to have a Motorbike license or have passed your CBT… so while the bike is fine, how legal was your ride?
It's an EAPC, way to miss the point of it!
Forget these, just look into the Lankeleisi MG740 Plus, it's 2000 Watt, 48 Volt, 20 Amp and actually is a bike. Thank me later
X3000 max Lankeleisi with dual motor insane torque! Just got mine 2 days ago and absolutely loving it !
The fact that the builder has to certify every single one separately really tells you how silly the ebike law is! Even in Belgium they have throttle and up to 1000 Watt (that's Bafang H550, for example) exempted upon type-approval. Simply because Belgium was the wisest EU country and essentially merged L1e-A vehicles with official EAPCs (as long as the top speed is 25 kph).
Yes, but for many years Belgium has had a class of low speed mopeds (brommerfiets) so it was easy for them to fit EAPCs into their existing legal framework as brommerfiets.
@@nickwinn7812 Not exactly, because bromfiets correspond to L1e-B class, same as everywhere else for decades. It was in 2013 that the EU law 168/2013 had created L1e-A and L1e-B classes. And Belgium was smart enough to merge L1e-A with ebikes (EAPCs exemped from the law) for practical purposes (no mandatory insurance and helmet, no licence plate and free to ride wherever ebikes can go).
It's not to say that this is an ideal situation by itself - merely more managable. The goal is to exclude L1e-A class from the type-approval regime, not having the bikes homologated under that regime... so they can be excluded.
This is exactly the sort of ebike I've been looking for. Since I was 27 (35 years ago), I've had a left leg full of metal and as I've got older, its got harder to bend my knee far enough to pedal. And about 6 years ago I sold my last road bike, as it was impractical for me to pedal any more. We badly need a change in the law to allow those of us with disability to be able to use throttle ebikes. Personally I'd like a cargo bike like the Urban Arrow, but with just a throttle. I also think the 18mph limit for assist is set too low to be safe. It needs to be at least 30mph to keep up with urban traffic. I regularly managed average speeds over 30, when I was fit. And a lot faster than that when downhill gradients and fearless youth were involved! So 30mph seems perfectly reasonable to me. If that means insurance etc then I'm fine with that too. Even a safety test like that for the likes of the Citroen Ami in France for 14 year olds.
🐝🏁 Great video 👍 ebikes
I think a manufacturer can apply for type approval in any country if they so desire but it probably relies on much higher numbers, crash testing, DVLC approval, classification, registration, vehicle taxation class, insurance company approval, (yawn)….
The same throttle laws apply for ebikes in Australia, you are allowed a throttle,but limited to 6ks an hour.
That 250 watt motor has not got the torque needed imo. They already know that heavy bikes and heavy riders need at least 60nm to go up hills no pedalling so are debating this issue. If you live on a hill then wait for/buy the 500w motor.
If you use a hub motor, you are right about steeper inclines being an issue. Get a an ebike with a crank motor for hill climbing.
True but as with your old pedal bike you would need to just get off and push it to the top of the hill. If like me you are past that then you’d need to get a proper E-bike but then it has to be registered and insured etc.
Easy fix so long as long as a person isnt too overweigh.
1. Keep the 250w motor for legality.
2. Get a controller that supports a 48v/52v battery.
3. Get a 48v or 52v battery. The bike should go from 15mph to around 27mph with the 48v battery. And up to around 30mph with the 52v battery.
You will finally be safe in traffic! Instead of always being in potential danger.
@@johnnyfearlesszrx is that like a mid drive motor?
We agree with you. If the motor is only 250w at 48v on this bike then we are surprised if it's really 80Nm like they have stated?
wisper ebikes have had a throttle uk legal to there bikes for a couple of years now and fully type aproved buy the dvsa, my 11 year old haibike does 40mph on the flat
Sheffield?
And this is why we have these laws????