Water Softener vs. Water Conditioner (What's Best in San Diego?)
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- What's the difference between a water softener and a water conditioner? Do you need both? Water softeners take minerals out of the water and then replace it with sodium or potassium, which are soft minerals. Water conditioners do not soften water but they remove sediment and toxic chemicals.
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Great general information video. You cover the overview, cost, benefits, and what the average person wants to know to go in the direction they need. Helpful. Thanks
Thank you for explaining this in an impartial and HONEST way. ALL the other plumbers and those with financial interests in installing a softener system call the conditioners absolute crap and I knew it was not complete crap. Your video is AWESOME! Easy to understand and HONEST. Your explanation is perfect and explains the pros and cons of BOTH which is the only TRUTH.
Glad it was helpful!
Wow....the most comprehensive, and simplest explanation I've seen yet....thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
This video is a perfect example of a sales person versus someone who actually does work with the products.
This guy barely knows what he is talking about, he was just given some product to sell.
He literally sounds like me giving a presentation in college on my freshman year.
Just kind of reading off key points, not really spending a ton of time researching everything in and out.
Very informative specifically about the Ca Mg replacement with the Na.
Ecowater sells a refiner that takes out chemicals like chlorine and chloramines and then has softened water enter into the home. An RO system for drinking and washing vegetables is not a big deal ($600-$1600) to have in addition to the refiner. The conditioner is still causing you to consume excess minerals from garbage sources and I don't think a water conditioner removes iron from the water unless you have that magnet thing as you mentioned. The Softener, with an activated carbon filter, seems to be the best option.
In spite of some of the comments (which are helpful) this is a good basic video that explains to us novices what the different systems do. The commenters do make some good additional points to ponder. I have a new Halo-5 system on well water. This replaced my sodium salt based softener. The installer put in an external ion magnet tube as well. Only later did I learn that the magnet tube effect works for only 36 hours and the ions then revert back to the clumping stage. I like what the Halo does, but I do not like having the water so hard and still potentially damaging to pipes. I am looking into possibility of adding a softener to the Halo if that can be done. In the video he said that this would be ideal but does not exist, or the two systems offset each other. We shall see.
this basically explains that a conditioner or a magnet don't fix your hard water problems.
My plumber advised adding the Halo in after our current old water softener. So water treated first by the softener and then through the Halo.
Thank you for this review! It was very helpful and informative!
Glad it was helpful!
It sounds like you would like the Hague Watermax 3BEQ. It removes chlorine and softens the water.
What water filter system to choose for the wells ground water source? Thanks 🙏
FYI. Softeners use salt to remove the magnesium and calcium from the zeolite beads that attract the minerals. The system then flushes these minerals down the drain before it sends water through the zeolite beads to start the process over again. A softener does not run water through the salt and give you salty water.
Thank you for posting that. I'm an old fart retired plumber and they have never allowed that brine solution into the piping. It just cleans the beads and gets flushed.
A water softer does add sodium to your drinking water. A small amount, but it does add sodium. This is one of the reasons you dont want to use softened water on your lawn.
Nice honest talk !
If I have a 1000 TDS, then which system would you recommend that won't destroy my pipes / prevent salt deposits in my pipes.
You don’t drink salty water with a water softener! After the regeneration with the brine solution there is a rinse cycle which removes any remaining sodium!
We have a water softener, there is no salt taste never an issue of becoming a salt man. What the heck. LOL
The ion is exchange is for regeneration of the resin which is then flushed out. So obviously this sales man is not well informed or he is an actor.
That it adds sodium to your drinking water is an exaggeration but it does add a small amount of sodium, enough to be a concern for a people with strict dietary sodium requirements.
Yes, water softeners do add small amounts of sodium to the water. If you have one and pay attention, the taste of the water gives this away. Not to mention it's not rocket science to understand that the rinse cycle that flushes away the brine isn't going to be perfect. Thousands of small honeycomb-shaped beads will trap small amounts, enough that if you're sensitive to sodium, it will matter. There's a reason people with soft water systems add RO systems under their kitchen sink - taste, and sodium build-up.
It does not add salt to your water, it adds sodium, Those are different things.
We just do not want to work with a salt water softeners. So we turned to siliphos balls, which I think is also called phos-something. And we may try the magnets that somehow charge the stuff that forms scale to just keep flushing away.
Can I put a Softener and after that a vessel with carbon inside for the removalof chlorine? The answer is definitely yes.
very helpful info. thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
When you say ' This' at 2:49 What are you referring to? Are you comparing two systems? System A and a System B? It looks like there are three. Is the Halo product a 'Conditioner, or a Softener'?
You forgot to mention that when using a ionizer, the process quickly wears off, especially in the Halo 5. Halo will disclose it, if you take the time to read the fine print. You have roughly 24 hours to turn over the hot water in your home and roughly 72 hours for the cold water. The ions are totally back to their original state by then. The Halo 5 will have no effect on softening water whatsoever and will not lot lower your Ph. It also will not lower the TDS in the water. It does a fairly good job with chlorine but it does not remove or filter sediment either. Someone needs to do some homework.
Then use a tankless water heater instead of the conventional water heater, problem solved!
Any Comments Please? A truthful response would give credibility.
I'm subscribed to you so.......
it’s meant for a tankless heater
Could you not condition and then soften the conditioned water?
Use a salt system to replace minerals and then use a Berkey filter to remove the salt.
softeners don't add "salt" to the water, it's sodium, not sodium chloride, and there's less sodium in a gallon of soft water than 2 slices of white bread. So unless you are on a no sodium diet, it's not enough to effect you. in fact, the health benefits of drinking more water outweigh the sodium content.
Thank You for this unbiased info. Would a water softener be okay to use with a hot water storage cylinder?
I think my water is causing itchy skin , what would get rid of that??
Softeners DO NOT add sodium to your water. Should not be posting false statements. The Halo is a filtration system, with a conditioning rod in it. Big difference. And the softener uses the salt for the brine. It doesnt remove the minerals then replace it with salt
Why can't you use a salt water softener, with a whole house water filter after? And of course make sure the GPM match.
I was thinking the same thing for my well water! You would think that even just a plain carbon filter would catch the salt. I’m considering doing a sediment filter first, whole house filter next, then water softener in that order and have it in my well house. Im hoping that the salted water will clean the pipes from the well to the house, idk. At the kitchen sink, I wast thinking about putting a second filter system, maybe a 3 stage with reverse osmosis, for drinking water.
@@johnharrison5656 for drinking water we've been using one of the Brita water filter pitcher from Costco, for like 20-30 bucks lol. Been working like a charm for 3 years.
Just add a up flow carbon tower filter???
The water from my well is very hard. I installed a salt based softener AND a conditioner after the softener. I believe the softener removes calcium, magnesium etc then the conditioner helps with chlorine and the like. I plan to install a valve for irrigation before the water treatments so the plants don't get softened water. The difference in the water before and after the softener/conditioner system is dramatic. I really recommend both but if you can only do one, I say go with the softener. Just my two cents, I don't sell anything nor am I a professional plumber. By the way, I have a close friend who is the general manager of a large plumbing company and he has a softener followed by conditioner in his house too.
According to this guy in the video, you can't have both. Who do you believe? This is such a unregulated industry that its hard to get strait facts out of someone who is trying to sell you something.
I agree that it's tough to get a straight answer from someone who is trying to sell you something. I can relate my experience on this matter for what it's worth. I am not a plumber and I don't sell anything. I'm a retired homeowner living in a rural area of central Arizona. I get my water from a 600 ft well on my property. Its great water but very hard. I spoke with friends and neighbors about the water in the area and decided to install a softener AND conditioner. One of my best friends in the area is the general manager of a plumbing company and he suggested the setup too. I installed the system on January 1st 2020 and have not regretted it. I had lived in the house for about a year before I installed the system and the difference in the water before and after is amazing. One of my neighbors bordering my property has a softener only and while it works fine, I believe mine removes more minerals and chemicals judging from differences in buildup and deposits in appliances and spots on dishes etc. Our homes were built at the same time and while the data is not the least bit scientific, we can both tell a difference. If I were to do it again, I would still install both a softener and conditioner. Just my two cents.
How do you get chlorine in well water???? Do you have a chlorinator in line? That is not legal up here.
Hello Brad,
I don't have chlorine in the well water. I was just pointing out that a softener and conditioner remove different compounds.
@@mitchdenner9743 check out ocean Pacific. But they're in CA only right now. But they have a softner and a conditioner paired together
Wow here I am thinking water softener was the way to go but now thinking otherwise.
You provide equipment?
lol.. that.. "ick" slippery feeling? is your skin withOUT all the minerals from the water stuck to your skin.. its You. not a bad thing.
The slippery is from the sodium ions’ reaction with the soap (instead of calcium.) Try pouring some distilled water on your slippery skin and it goes away.
You said there wasn't a system that can do both - can we talk and discuss this? Do you have an email that I can send some information to? Or how can we get in touch?
Do you know of one system that does both?
This was Made 2016 but now I got companies that are saying that there is A system that bo things is it true
There actually IS a system that can do both. I have worked for them for over 10 years now. You can email me at jp@lifesourcewater.com and I can show you the best.
I live in Riverside California. Got a Halo 5 wholes house system professionally installed not more than a year ago. I am getting a lot of white powdery residues sticking to my faucets and shower walls. Also when we boil the water there are very large chunks of white residues... I am not happy with the system. The installer is helping me to contact the manufacturer but for some reason no response in a while from them.
It was probably installed wrong or there is some issue with something in your water - did you get a resolution yet? Reach out to info@sandiegopurewater.com for questions, they're great - they did my property and are super knowledgeable. Hopefully you get the right support! That's honestly the only thing that matters if you have the right product
Alf, The reason for the residue is the system was not properly flushed after being installed. I've seen it happen time and time again by plumbers and supposed water technicians not properly trained.
that's because you still have calcium in your water. lol
how much ?
What is the name of the water conditioner? Does it need to back wash?
Its a Halo 5 water filtration system and yes it does
Your wrong. Puronics sells the Terminator iGen which does both.
I hate it when the background noise is LOUDER than the person speaking. It is also distracting.
Sorry I fell asleep, what did you say?
Why did you pro and con 1 but not the other, obviously your selling one and not giving all the info needed
I have a Softner.. UK.
You say that the salt remains in the water, supposedly making a difference in the take and becoming as you say "salt man"?
But you do not mention that there is more salt in a couple slices of white bread, why not educate them completely?
You also didn't happen to mention that a water conditioner (magnetic) works well while the water is moving through the pipes,
but fail to tell them that it returns back its scale forming properties down the line or in pipes between uses??
If you are going to promote technologies and try to educate people, do it responsibly. PROS and CONS of both, not just what seems easier to explain for your sale.
That is true. I would use a conditioner with a tankless water heater because it doesnt store water like a water heater. And conditioners effectiveness lasts 72 hours so if you have the proper sized water heater for your size family you will use that stored water within 72 hours. And I would also point out that salt water softeners are being banned in alot of areas. 25 communities in california since 2014 due to the harm the salt does to the environment
@@thelog86 How is salt, a natural mineral found in the water that covers 70+% of the planet, harmful to the environment?
@@thelog86 there's always water in the tankless heater, it's just only heated when water is moving through it. once you turn off the faucet, that water that was just heated remains in the heater until you turn on a faucet again.
Rob B Tankless does store water bud, just not as much as a regular water heater, the heating element has to be submerged at all times otherwise that would be one expensive tankless water heater when u have to replace the heating element all the time.
@@thelog86 Anything that California does, I dont trust
There is a system that does both, distillation.
Yes. Please show me your distillation system that Filters every gallon that enters your home. Should be super affordable.😝
Finally a real life explanation and thought process from an expert.
easy answer a conditioner is anything that treats the water a softener is a conditioner
but not all conditioners are softeners.
Nice break down.. I been debating between the softener vs conditioner
I’m leaning towards H2o concepts.. although it is a lot more
More for that over a water softener. Hopefully I made the right call 😄
If your public water is very hard, don't go for a conditioner. I paid $2800 for a whole house filter/conditioner. Did not work well. Unfortunately, California does not allow the use regular salt base softeners due to enviromental unfrienly, need to use a potassium salt base which is more expensive.
Clear n neat video. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Does it works india with 1000 tds?
i dont like my hair feeling like straw
I hate that slimy feeling when water soften water does not rinse off
This guy sucks as a salesman, he didn’t sell me on anything, and yes you can have both have the water softener and a whole house filter after the softener and it will do wonders!
Where?
@J P any chance you can tell me why the softener first and then the conditioner? We are currently trying to have both installed and I want to make sure it’s done in the most effective/efficient order. The installer is talking about doing the conditioner first then the softener. TYIA
You lost me at "you can't drink soft water." One slice of white bread has the same amount of sodium as a glass of soft water. Also, the "slippery/slimy feeling" is your natural body oils doing what they were meant to do. With hard water, your pores become clogged and they can't produce the natural body oils.
In terms of treating the chlorine, you can add carbon to the water softener or install a 20" carbon filter in front of the softener that gets changed (approximately) every 6 months.
Tanner Travis I drink 96 oz of water from the fridge filtered dispenser a day so that's 12 slices of shitty white 🍞?
Finally someone get it👍
@@4144758 It is if your fridge softens the water you're drinking from it. But it does not. Softening and filtering are two totally different processes.
Unfortunately this is not like it sounds, a water softener does not take out one thing and replace it with another in the way it sounded. It works by using an Ion exchange process, in which the positive charged ions in the calcium, magnesium, iron etc stick to the resin beads then at the regeneration cycle a flood of salt water or potassium comes through and washes the attached minerals off the resin beads and to the drain. It does replace it with salt or the regenerant but not at the levels it sounds like and what one may think. It's like a hundred children knocking a football player off of a table. There will be some salt residual in the water but if you have a 1 cuft water softener the residual is about 17mg/l which is like eating a piece of white bread. A water conditioner does exactly that, you can find them called salt free water softeners, saltless water softeners, the pelican brand is a conditioner. What they do is make the calcium ions stick to themselves so they do not stick to pipes and appliances. Here is a good website to go to in order to see how it works; th-cam.com/video/dSGdWfeYDfo/w-d-xo.html I've had both in my home and they both work but there are some things that must be accounted for. You can find that info here; th-cam.com/video/Vf6rQAuC3nA/w-d-xo.html A water filter does exactly that, it removes solids that are in the water just like how a coffee filter keeps the grounds from passing through and into your coffee. A water filter does just that, it stops debris like sand, chemicals, odor, iron etc however you cannot get one type of filter that does it all because each constituent must be filtered out differently. Here is a video that may help with various links; th-cam.com/video/Uq847l8Nho4/w-d-xo.html
actually, water softeners do take out one thing and replace it with another thus the "exchange" in ion exchange. Hard water(calcium) comes into the softener and soft water(sodium) goes into the home.
Low Cost Water Softeners Which is best to remove chlorine? Thx
Phantom096 best way to remove chlorine and chloromines is with a carbon filter. That is what most refrigerators use. That is what fish keepers like myself use to treat our tank water. I'm pretty sure that conditioners nor softeners remove chlorine and chloromines.
@@BonnerBB There are systems available that will both soften and remove chlorine and chloramines. And yes a Carbon Filter is absolutely the best way to get rid of those particular chemicals.
This presentation is misleading. Many companies that refer to their water treatment systems as water conditioners do so because their equipment not only softens the water it also deals with other water problems.
The presenter is correct that a magnetic device only aligns the molecules. Those systems work great for industrial applications such as cooling systems but does nothing for softening.
Complete nonsense. It's a scam. Just use a regular ion-exchange water softener.
What about cities that don’t allow softeners?
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292 , i recommend you move or vote out your city council.
@@shawnkingston2813 #easiersaidthandone...
This guy knows jack shit!
1:33 "they're salt so you can't drink any of the water."🙄🙄🙄🙄
That's a goddamn lie! My grandparents only ever had a water softener with well water, and we drank that water our whole lives. WTF do you mean you can't drink that water. RO water systems and all that bullshit didn't exist back then.
Studies show modern sodium based water softener produce an average of 25 milligrams of salt in an 8oz glad of water. A glass of milk has 25, a can of diet Coke has 140, a glad of orange juice has 30. I would have to drink 16 gallons of water a day to breach the recommended daily allowance of 2400 miligrams of salt.
You can drink what ever you want. You are your own boss. Isn’t being an adult cool. But for the rest of us let’s get the sodium out.
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292You're the one that claimed the water from a salt based softener can't be drank, not me.
"let's get the sodium out of the water"? The 25 milligrams of sodium in 8 ounces? Really? Sounds like a salesman trying to scare people into buying more product. But, as you said, we're all adults, and we can make any bs claims, to achieve our financial ends, that we want to, right?
@@quickwaterheaterfiltration5292
"In other words, if your water test tells you that you have 18 grains per gallon hardness, installing a water softener will add about 35 milligrams of sodium to each 8 oz. glass of water you drink.
To put this in perspective, a tablespoon of catsup has 204 mg. of sodium and a slice of whole wheat bread has 211."
So even if you have EXTREMELY hard water (which you require a salt-based softener, because conditioners don't do shit), and drank 1 gallon of tap water a day, you'd consume 560 mg of sodium.
"The 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that Americans consume less than 2,300 milligrams (mg) of sodium per day as part of a healthy eating pattern."
Now lets look at averages across the US, which is likely closer to about 8 or 9 grains per gallon hardness.
We're talking about literally half, like 250 mg of sodium per gallon.
your voice is so mellow that this video made me sad.... not the best sales pitch lol.
This guy does not know what he is talking about.
Is this guy a soft talker or what?. Can't hear your pitch man
Your lying or don’t know what your talking about !
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What a joke. Drinking either water isn't good. What about "Forever Chemicals"? Neither system can deal with that. Not very informative and very little sodium in newer technology water softeners but the only thing to drink if purified water and neither will give you that. Reverse osmosis and he doesn't even talk about that. Laughable.
It really isn't necessary to use fowl language to "comment" or "explain" A real turn off. Sad.
Do you consider "crap" to be "fowl language"? Crap crap crappity crap crap.
This is a bunch of crap.
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