Troy, 6 years later, it's actually it's exactly the same. We did gain iPads for our approach plates, but so far, the flight paperwork hasn't changed yet. They say that's coming in a year or two.
It might not seem useful to someone who's done it a thousand times. But to new pilots or after being diverted, some of those notes are invaluable, particularly when flying into "The Soup" like LAX.
From my simulator experience I can really relate to that. I never use a chart when departing from Frankfurt or Munich. Just sometimes for taxiing and for the GPS coordinates to align the irs
Don't worry too much about maths. It's honestly just simple maths skills required - for an example: at N53W030 you expected to have 41.5 tons of fuel - however you have 43.7, what's the difference? More or less? True heading to fly is 153, however magnetic deviation is -13E, so what's the magnetic heading? Most things are backed up by calculators too since mental maths can only be trusted so much.
i would love to be stuck on long flights with guys like this. people think an 8 hour flight would be boring lol who ever thought that you'd have so much work just sitting there. pilots do a lot more than people think.. it's not all about flying, it's a tremendous amount of work. that's makin lemonade lol
It's great to get an insider's look at some of the ops and regulatory procedures airline pilots are required to attend. It ain't all "stick-n-rudder". Thanks Kent!
LOL I'm a Railroad Locomotive Engineer and we use the SAME trash bags ( for the same purpose as you ) at the end of OUR "flight" across the rails. ALL that important paperwork goes right in that puppy as soon as we roll to a stop! lol.
And no, I'm not a pilot. My view is simply from an financial PoV. I run a numbr of businesses and reducing waste is a big part of our financial strategy - that includes paper. Love your videos by the way! Very informative to see what goes on up your end of the aircraft. Safe travels
It's quite interesting how paper is so importaint in flight even though modern airliners are all computerized and equipped with large LCD screens. I think the only airliner (so far) that has an LCD screen specifically for the paperwork shown in this video is the A380. Awsome video btw. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this detailed presentation. Much appreciated. Are you allowed/able to show some of these papers in detail? I would particularly be curious about the take-off power/speed page, as well as how the flight plan looks like, design-wise. I was lucky to get the entire papework after a Delta Air Lines TATL flight, which is great, and I would just love to compare with a sample one from American Airlines.
@andy4b767 As Mr. Wien said, before the flight I will ask them to save it for me otherwise it all ends up in those AA trash bags. I've found AA crews very accommodating to that end and this has allowed me to essentially learn everything involved in the flying portion of a NA flight. The charts also have PACOT routes I believe.
That sure is one hell of a lot of paperwork! For each and every flight! But I guess you guys never have a problem with that, its just another day in the office ;)
I love your vids, and I made one heck of a discovery. You my friend, are in the famous "pilots life" video with all the American airlines pilots. I noticed you at 4:04 in the vid. Not sure if you made the video, or if its just a coincidence.
I do this since my dad is an airline pilot, but i'll also try doing this with other airlines and see if it'll work, I'll be travelling in a few days, hopefully it works
hey kent, huge fan of your videos and especially your blog and work with gadling. just an idea though: you should be recycling all of the paperwork rather than throwing it away!!!
How was London?! (I'm from there) More videos this detailed would be great, no matter how many cockpit dvds, youtube videos, flightsims I see there is always something else that hasn't had time to be covered!
I love the way experience pilots get in the cockpit of a cold and dark aircraft and automatically after routine standards start doing all the switches.... So fast, its amazing :D
Very interesting, Kent. I figured there'd be a lot of paperwork for a flight, but...sheesh! Of course, now you've merely wet my whistle... my inner nerd (and the outer one) is dying to examine one of those packets up close and in detail. What percentage of all that ink actually casts an image on a crewmember's retina before being relegated to the trash bag?
@SpidMovie Everything you said is currently implemented in the 777 A380 and other airliners of that sort but let me ask you a question.What if they fail? What if the avionics fail? I personally would like both,avionics that sort out all the paperwork and THE PAPERWORK just in case :)
Every time I take a trip across the pond I'll ask the crew for their charts if they're whiling & friendly enough to give it to me. AA typically are more friendly than others!
Wow! Nice vid! Could do you think you could do a vid, on what the walk-around intels, because I get in the habbit of thinking that the walk-around is very thero.
Hi Kent!! Hope you're keeping well. I live in Southeast Ireland and see transatlantic/transcontinental flights pretty much 24/7. I'm just curious if the 757 still flies on trans Atlantic routes for American? All I have seen recently are American 763's, 777's and dreamliners. The only 75's I see are Jet2's flying from Faro to Manchester daily! One plane I miss the most is the 762, don't see much of them anymore.
Sean Carley It looks like PHL to SNN is still a 757. Sure loved flying there out of Boston when we were doing that. Hope to return! My brother flies the 787 to Dublin now regularly. It’s his favorite destination.
Thank you for this interesting video! I know there is a lot of paperwork in the cockpit, but don't you just go through some of these in the briefing room?
Kent, I meant neither to criticize the length or pace of this video, nor even to suggest a longer one. I meant only that I personally could spend literally hours and hours quietly studying one of those packets--quite contentedly so. I may have to do some dumpster diving at my local airport to see if I can find a discarded packet. (kidding!)
A while back I flew JFK - Bucharest and the captain gave me some awesome maps, but I misplaced them... Any idea where I can get some more, online preferably? I am really interested in all of the plotting and flight paper work! Awesome vid!
i heard these aircraft are becoming more and more equipped with internet connections. You said you cant pull up weather in flight in the video. Well im doing my instrument rating, and i understand that weather repots (METARs, TAFs, Etc) expire over a certain period of time and new ones become released. Are there ways to get new weather data in flight nowadays? and maybe printers to print it?
@fly4fun Oh come on, HF isn't that bad! I listen to the NAT's all the time! I bet you guys can't wait until SATCOM or CPDLC, though! I bet SELCAL is your best friend! Keep up the great videos, I really enjoy them!
Kent, have you guys at AA transitioned to the all glass cockpit yet in the 757s? when I went out to the flight academy a while back that was being planned and the sims hadn't yet been replaced.
@fly4fun I noticed you're a first officer by the 3 stripes you have on your shirt. How long have you been one, and when will you be a captain? I plan to fly the 777 when I grow up (I'm only 12 but will be 13 soon) and was just wondering how long would it take to be captain. You fly the 757, right?
It looks like it almost a pound of paperwork; have they calculated the FUEL that need to FLY? I wonder does the airline charge an "excess paperwork" charge ($35/@25 if paid online)?
I have a question. There is a constant debate regarding thrusting during take off. I hear some pilots say that you have to pull the thrust all the way during take off while others say that you don't have to, that it depends on the situations. what's your say about this?
i remember when i had a flight it was late, because the pilot dropped his briefcase while walking across the apron and the case burst open and a convenient gust of wind blew all the paperwork all over the apron :D
Kent mentioned that you cross several waypoints on the Atlantic crossing. Are these are VOR/DME beacons? I've seen a land-based one before. Thing that I've always wondered is how that works out at sea. Are these beacons on remote islets, rocks in the mid-ocean or are they on some kind of floating platform? Does anybody (Or Kent if he sees this and has time) know the answer to that?
Ian Cameron Ian, the waypoints are lat/long waypoints identified by the aircraft's INS and/or GPS. Due to heavy traffic across the Atlantic, the tracks or "routes" across shift north or south depending on winds, and emission output of the aircraft. When the pilot gets the flight release, he or she plots out the lat/long positions that depict the route of flight. There are several tracks that run parallel with each other over the ocean. On the oceanic part of the crossing of the Atlantic, there is no ATC radar, and no ground based navigation. At each of the lat/long waypoints, the pilot gives a position report. Over the Pacific, the tracks are permanent and the waypoints have names, as do the tracks themselves, similar to victor airways. The Pacific (US to Hawai'i) tracks do not shift around because of less traffic/lower jet emission levels, and the tracks location in what is known as the Horse Latitudes, where the wind directions don't change much, only the wind speed.
Ian Cameron You are welcome. I was wondering if anyone would ask about the emissions and if they really matter. They do, a lot! If anyone doubts the effects of emissions of fossil fuel vehicles, one needs only to look at the jet traffic across the Atlantic ocean. Exhaust emissions are a huge problem.
Dcxplant Yip they (airliner emissions) certainly are warming the planet as are coal-fired power stations and cars/trucks. Like you said, fossil fuels. I don't see a huge amount being done though. Where I live (Scotland) we have a huge coal fired power station along the road and you can see all the fly-ash and gasses creating haze in the atmosphere above it.
hello kent. quick question. how much longer do you think the 757/767 be in service with american based airlines? (delta, american, etc). i ask because it will probably another 10 years or so before im picked up by a major. hoping for a regional in around 5-7 years. the 767 is something i really want to fly but i get the feeling it will be out of service by then? i dunno, american still uses the old MDs right? And how do you get assigned to a a/c program when ur hired? you choose or assigned?
Not at the same time though. You are either one of the other and are only able to fly one type of aircraft at a time. CA vs FO has nothing to do with hours and everything to do seniority.
TheXcaliber223 Indeed that one and a few others same a common type but one can not be a CA and an FO at the same time on different equipment. Perhaps I just misunderstood your first post.
damn. that's alot of paperwork. Now we know what pilots are doing before takeoff. When i get older i want to learn how to fly. Not commercial airplanes though. Just small single engine planes.
I'm not a pilot, but as far as I know, they calculate/read that themselves. Some of the stuff can be calculated quite easily like the crosswind component or Top of descent but there's other stuff that they read from graphs/charts. Nowadays tho, those charts are replaced by calculation tools on their efb's (electronic flight bag)
Troy, 6 years later, it's actually it's exactly the same. We did gain iPads for our approach plates, but so far, the flight paperwork hasn't changed yet. They say that's coming in a year or two.
+Kent Wien Does all that paperwork to back to dispatch?
So, has it changed yet?😉
You fly the 757?
Going to the 2020s? Still rid of that dead tree carcass?
I became a pilot and never thought I'd do so much paperwork in my life!
your vids motivate me to keep on with my dream of becoming an airline pilot! i love them !
Hope it worked out well for ya.
and THIS is why flying is one of the safest modes of transportation. Imagine doing all that for a drive to the supermarket haha
Kent, always enjoy all your videos. If you need me, I'll be in first class having a couple drinks.
It might not seem useful to someone who's done it a thousand times. But to new pilots or after being diverted, some of those notes are invaluable, particularly when flying into "The Soup" like LAX.
From my simulator experience I can really relate to that. I never use a chart when departing from Frankfurt or Munich. Just sometimes for taxiing and for the GPS coordinates to align the irs
Thank you for posting these videos! I really like all of them!
Excellent video. Love all the small details of a flight rather than the big picture.
Don't worry too much about maths. It's honestly just simple maths skills required - for an example: at N53W030 you expected to have 41.5 tons of fuel - however you have 43.7, what's the difference? More or less? True heading to fly is 153, however magnetic deviation is -13E, so what's the magnetic heading? Most things are backed up by calculators too since mental maths can only be trusted so much.
i would love to be stuck on long flights with guys like this. people think an 8 hour flight would be boring lol who ever thought that you'd have so much work just sitting there. pilots do a lot more than people think.. it's not all about flying, it's a tremendous amount of work. that's makin lemonade lol
It's great to get an insider's look at some of the ops and regulatory procedures airline pilots are required to attend. It ain't all "stick-n-rudder".
Thanks Kent!
Anyone else read quickly and expected to see him making paper airplanes in the cockpit?
LOL I'm a Railroad Locomotive Engineer and we use the SAME trash bags ( for the same purpose as you ) at the end of OUR "flight" across the rails. ALL that important paperwork goes right in that puppy as soon as we roll to a stop! lol.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME FOR THE INSIGHT!
And no, I'm not a pilot. My view is simply from an financial PoV. I run a numbr of businesses and reducing waste is a big part of our financial strategy - that includes paper. Love your videos by the way! Very informative to see what goes on up your end of the aircraft. Safe travels
All available now (except signature paper) on a Tablet now. Electronic flight bag!
IMHO half the fun of flying is preparing. Great video.
Anyone else notice the awesome bulb locker to the right?
Good eye!
Love your videos man, keep up the great work and thank you!
Thank You for great paperworkshow, want more..'how to start a DC-3' was great.
MAN! when i do transatlantic flights on my Flight simulator i don't have that much paperwork :(
Such great videos thank you :)
who would dislike this? some people...
Hey Kent. Bring us another video man. I want to see more. i'm really planning to be in your shoes one day.
Great Video! And I thought I was bitching about all the Paper Work I need for school but boy now I have it easy.
Like the video over all, I would of like to see a few of the docs. But overall good review, interesting, wondered what you did up there!
It's quite interesting how paper is so importaint in flight even though modern airliners are all computerized and equipped with large LCD screens.
I think the only airliner (so far) that has an LCD screen specifically for the paperwork shown in this video is the A380.
Awsome video btw. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for this detailed presentation. Much appreciated. Are you allowed/able to show some of these papers in detail? I would particularly be curious about the take-off power/speed page, as well as how the flight plan looks like, design-wise. I was lucky to get the entire papework after a Delta Air Lines TATL flight, which is great, and I would just love to compare with a sample one from American Airlines.
Best plane video EVER!!! (I'm an accountant by the way)
@greasyhackerz Nope the A380 is fly-by-wire which basically means the autopilot does all most all the flying but all the paper work is still required
This is pretty cool! I hope you keep posting these types of videos! Keep it up! :)
@fly4fun That makes sense. I remember back in the early 80's we flew in a Delta 727 from FLL to MIA, wounder how much paperwork was needed. lol
@andy4b767 As Mr. Wien said, before the flight I will ask them to save it for me otherwise it all ends up in those AA trash bags. I've found AA crews very accommodating to that end and this has allowed me to essentially learn everything involved in the flying portion of a NA flight. The charts also have PACOT routes I believe.
My dad is an AA B-767 pilot as well :)
That sure is one hell of a lot of paperwork! For each and every flight! But I guess you guys never have a problem with that, its just another day in the office ;)
I love your vids, and I made one heck of a discovery. You my friend, are in the famous "pilots life" video with all the American airlines pilots. I noticed you at 4:04 in the vid. Not sure if you made the video, or if its just a coincidence.
I do this since my dad is an airline pilot, but i'll also try doing this with other airlines and see if it'll work, I'll be travelling in a few days, hopefully it works
I sometimes say that we no longer load the jet with A1 to be able to fly. Now we fill it with A4 (European letter size).
It would be great to see new videos uploaded, very interesting channel.
Thank you! I’m still flying so I plan on doing some more videos soon.
@@fly4fun Looking forward to it. Glad you’re still flying, take care!
Do you think you could make more videos like this one, I am a pilot in training and love to watch things like this
@THEMAMABOY101 He's being helpful and explaining things to aviation buffs. Why would you waste the time to write such a rude comment?
hey kent, huge fan of your videos and especially your blog and work with gadling.
just an idea though: you should be recycling all of the paperwork rather than throwing it away!!!
How was London?! (I'm from there)
More videos this detailed would be great, no matter how many cockpit dvds, youtube videos, flightsims I see there is always something else that hasn't had time to be covered!
Quite right…
Catched ya 😂
wow this comment is a historical artefact now
I love the way experience pilots get in the cockpit of a cold and dark aircraft and automatically after routine standards start doing all the switches.... So fast, its amazing :D
Very interesting, Kent. I figured there'd be a lot of paperwork for a flight, but...sheesh!
Of course, now you've merely wet my whistle... my inner nerd (and the outer one) is dying to examine one of those packets up close and in detail.
What percentage of all that ink actually casts an image on a crewmember's retina before being relegated to the trash bag?
@SpidMovie Everything you said is currently implemented in the 777 A380 and other airliners of that sort but let me ask you a question.What if they fail? What if the avionics fail? I personally would like both,avionics that sort out all the paperwork and THE PAPERWORK just in case :)
Every time I take a trip across the pond I'll ask the crew for their charts if they're whiling & friendly enough to give it to me.
AA typically are more friendly than others!
Wow! Nice vid! Could do you think you could do a vid, on what the walk-around intels, because I get in the habbit of thinking that the walk-around is very thero.
Hi Kent!!
Hope you're keeping well.
I live in Southeast Ireland and see transatlantic/transcontinental flights pretty much 24/7.
I'm just curious if the 757 still flies on trans Atlantic routes for American?
All I have seen recently are American 763's, 777's and dreamliners. The only 75's I see are Jet2's flying from Faro to Manchester daily!
One plane I miss the most is the 762, don't see much of them anymore.
Sean Carley It looks like PHL to SNN is still a 757. Sure loved flying there out of Boston when we were doing that. Hope to return!
My brother flies the 787 to Dublin now regularly. It’s his favorite destination.
Very interesting video - thanks! :) Isn't the lack of headrests a bit of annoyance? And any chance of any approach and landing videos into London?
Thank you for this interesting video! I know there is a lot of paperwork in the cockpit, but don't you just go through some of these in the briefing room?
Kent, I meant neither to criticize the length or pace of this video, nor even to suggest a longer one. I meant only that I personally could spend literally hours and hours quietly studying one of those packets--quite contentedly so. I may have to do some dumpster diving at my local airport to see if I can find a discarded packet. (kidding!)
A while back I flew JFK - Bucharest and the captain gave me some awesome maps, but I misplaced them... Any idea where I can get some more, online preferably? I am really interested in all of the plotting and flight paper work! Awesome vid!
i heard these aircraft are becoming more and more equipped with internet connections. You said you cant pull up weather in flight in the video. Well im doing my instrument rating, and i understand that weather repots (METARs, TAFs, Etc) expire over a certain period of time and new ones become released. Are there ways to get new weather data in flight nowadays? and maybe printers to print it?
@fly4fun Oh come on, HF isn't that bad! I listen to the NAT's all the time! I bet you guys can't wait until SATCOM or CPDLC, though! I bet SELCAL is your best friend! Keep up the great videos, I really enjoy them!
"What makes the plane go?"
"PAPER. PAPER MAKES THE PLANE GO HIGH."
"Semper Fly."
Awesome video. Thanks for the great info.
All on the ipad at Continental soon at United and Delta.
great video!
i have one question..
when youre way out over the ocean, how do you stay in contact with ATC? thanks(:
60 hours PPL SEL
Are they spare bulbs behind you
Kent, have you guys at AA transitioned to the all glass cockpit yet in the 757s? when I went out to the flight academy a while back that was being planned and the sims hadn't yet been replaced.
@fly4fun
I noticed you're a first officer by the 3 stripes you have on your shirt. How long have you been one, and when will you be a captain? I plan to fly the 777 when I grow up (I'm only 12 but will be 13 soon) and was just wondering how long would it take to be captain. You fly the 757, right?
Great video, might be a lot but some critical information!
LOVE THIS!!!! That is so cool!
Thank you so much! I love your videos!
It looks like it almost a pound of paperwork; have they calculated the FUEL that need to FLY? I wonder does the airline charge an "excess paperwork" charge ($35/@25 if paid online)?
seems to be a fun captain to fly with as a 1st Officer
so nice how people enjoy flying
I am terrified of flying i wish i was like that too..
Is the new paperless paperwork compatible with Android devices?
I have a question. There is a constant debate regarding thrusting during take off. I hear some pilots say that you have to pull the thrust all the way during take off while others say that you don't have to, that it depends on the situations. what's your say about this?
Do they provide you with a notebook with all of the airport charts, and SIDS/STARS?
The FAA just recently certified an app on ipad for pilots can remember the name though
i remember when i had a flight it was late, because the pilot dropped his briefcase while walking across the apron and the case burst open and a convenient gust of wind blew all the paperwork all over the apron :D
@Simpilot04 When do you go in the cockpit to ask the pilots for the paperwork??
@SpidMovie I can't imagine how the whole setup is gonna look. :)
Jeppesen is working on it too.
Kent mentioned that you cross several waypoints on the Atlantic crossing. Are these are VOR/DME beacons? I've seen a land-based one before. Thing that I've always wondered is how that works out at sea. Are these beacons on remote islets, rocks in the mid-ocean or are they on some kind of floating platform? Does anybody (Or Kent if he sees this and has time) know the answer to that?
Ian Cameron
Ian, the waypoints are lat/long waypoints identified by the aircraft's INS and/or GPS. Due to heavy traffic across the Atlantic, the tracks or "routes" across shift north or south depending on winds, and emission output of the aircraft. When the pilot gets the flight release, he or she plots out the lat/long positions that depict the route of flight. There are several tracks that run parallel with each other over the ocean. On the oceanic part of the crossing of the Atlantic, there is no ATC radar, and no ground based navigation. At each of the lat/long waypoints, the pilot gives a position report. Over the Pacific, the tracks are permanent and the waypoints have names, as do the tracks themselves, similar to victor airways. The Pacific (US to Hawai'i) tracks do not shift around because of less traffic/lower jet emission levels, and the tracks location in what is known as the Horse Latitudes, where the wind directions don't change much, only the wind speed.
Dcxplant That's a very educational and interesting post, Thank you for that. Now I know. I have long wondered about this. Cheers.
Ian Cameron
You are welcome. I was wondering if anyone would ask about the emissions and if they really matter. They do, a lot! If anyone doubts the effects of emissions of fossil fuel vehicles, one needs only to look at the jet traffic across the Atlantic ocean. Exhaust emissions are a huge problem.
Dcxplant Yip they (airliner emissions) certainly are warming the planet as are coal-fired power stations and cars/trucks. Like you said, fossil fuels. I don't see a huge amount being done though. Where I live (Scotland) we have a huge coal fired power station along the road and you can see all the fly-ash and gasses creating haze in the atmosphere above it.
No wonder airlines are going to tablets..
Lol
Is there anyway that a pilot would save that info that they throw away. And possibly send it to someone. it would be awesome to use in a flight sim.
I wouldnt mind having some of the flightplans for flight simulator in the level d 767. You can always forward them to me :p
hello kent. quick question. how much longer do you think the 757/767 be in service with american based airlines? (delta, american, etc). i ask because it will probably another 10 years or so before im picked up by a major. hoping for a regional in around 5-7 years. the 767 is something i really want to fly but i get the feeling it will be out of service by then? i dunno, american still uses the old MDs right? And how do you get assigned to a a/c program when ur hired? you choose or assigned?
lol he looked how many pieces of paper to go and said "Jesus" haha
Très belle vidéo.Belles explications.Merci.Amitiés.Yvon
nice video, i have a question.
What do you do to pass time in an international flight?
@SpidMovie I guess,but there's gonna be some time before that changes.
Airlineguy786 He could be a F/O in the 757 program and a captain in another depends on how many hours you have on the type rating.
Not at the same time though. You are either one of the other and are only able to fly one type of aircraft at a time. CA vs FO has nothing to do with hours and everything to do seniority.
bretthullrampage 757/767 is a common type rating
TheXcaliber223 Indeed that one and a few others same a common type but one can not be a CA and an FO at the same time on different equipment. Perhaps I just misunderstood your first post.
This was 3 years ago, have you changed some of the paperwork to electronics?
Are you not required to turn in your plotting chart and Nav logs at the end of the trip?
@THEMAMABOY101 I couldn't stop laughing after reading that. And then I started laughing even harder when I read kent's comment
Do you need that much paperwork to fly, say, from Miami to Chicago?
damn. that's alot of paperwork. Now we know what pilots are doing before takeoff. When i get older i want to learn how to fly. Not commercial airplanes though. Just small single engine planes.
Have you fulfilled your dream yet?
yeah i do 1/3 of that thing in the sim
Very cool! I thought you looked familiar :P
@999lifegoes I know, but hey it's changing already, just slowly... so it's just a matter of time :)
do the dispatchers give you the performance data for the aircraft or do you calculate that yourself?
I'm not a pilot, but as far as I know, they calculate/read that themselves. Some of the stuff can be calculated quite easily like the crosswind component or Top of descent but there's other stuff that they read from graphs/charts.
Nowadays tho, those charts are replaced by calculation tools on their efb's (electronic flight bag)
Hey Kent. Who do you fly for?
hmm i can't tell if he loves or hates his job.
Awesome video thanks so much!
Very, very nice video...Lol! Thank you!
"Notice it has a bar going across, you know it looks"
"YOU'RE ON MAN YOU'RE ON"
Awesome!