Exactly. I got the impression that Lyle the oldest was sociopathic. 18 and 21 years are huge developmental life transitions. K and Jose wouldn't let them make life choices, didn't encourage their career interests, didn't validate their feelings. Jose was in boarding school. He was totally supported by his father also driven by his father, possibly abused. Jose might have been a sociopath himself. Many people expelled from Cuba were mob associated. Organized crime owned Cuba before the revolution. It's very possible that Jose was also corrupted along the way or forced to associated with them. Leave it to Jose and Kitty to find a corrupt therapist for the boys. Confidentiality has professional ethical limitations. You can't fail to report a crime. In fact, the boys could likely have been diagnosed as oppositional defiant and conduct disordered youth. Eric could have been considered sociopathic. But on top of that they suffered from traumatic abuse. That should have been a sentencing mitigation factor if not reducing the conviction to manslaughter.
There are people who believe they were grown adults, they had alternatives to murder. Those people don’t understand abuse. When the 13 Turpin kids were rescued from their house of horrors, the oldest one was 29.
This. They also don’t understand why abused people don’t tell others about the abuse. The main reason they lost the case is because people then weren’t as well informed about abuse victims’ tendencies to conceal abuse, especially sexual abuse, because of the fear and shame they have been conditioned to feel.
Who did the Turpin kids murder? I've had 6 decades on this planet. I've met plenty of people who were abused horribly.. not one of them commit murder. One was raped nearly every night by a step parent. She moved on as an adult and never killed either her mom or stepfather. Amazing... but not choosing murder is an option.
I was abused as a child and I did not leave even after becoming an adult. People who have never been abused find that difficult to understand, but when you have been abused for most of your life and made to be dependent on your abusers and fearful and emotionally stunted, it's extremely difficult to leave, it felt impossible for me. I did not know how to do anything on my own. I barely had friends, was very bad at socializing because my abuser kept me from learning to do things on my own or socializing with people. The Menendez brothers should be freed. They have served over 30 years in prison after being abused since birth. They have never been free in their lives.
@@90sHouseBoy sad thing is most abused children blame themselves. my best friend killed himself when he was in his thirties. In the letter he wrote he explained all the abuse he went through as a child and why he only was able to leave the house when his father passed away. He didn't kille hs fater, but he did kill himself and was so ashamed to what has happened to him that he never told a soul. No he didn't kill him, and no one supports the killing. But this wasn't 'just' a killing. and they served their time. they went from one prison to another. it's time for them to live a normal live
I can't imagine what happens to a child's mind when they're chronically SAd by their father, and enabled by the mother, two people in the world who are supposed to protect their kids. Horrifying.
Right? Same sis. Have you seen some of the letter’s Erik wrote? As an 18 year old? It looked like a letter a child would write. The pictures of a snow man and things like that. You go into a fight or flight mode. When you are abused. Your brain is constantly on fight or flight, so it restricts the maturing and emotional growth. So sad
Isn't their mom part of the abuse? Ad woman, please be in her shoes before jump in to judgment. May be she feared him. Imagine your husband cheating with multiple women including buying them home, sexual abuse your childre. It is easy to judge than understand. Truly sad she was the one got more shots than her husband. 10 shots? For what??? As boys they also should protect her from there abusive father.
If the stories of the family members are true, the mother knew what her husband was doing to her sons behind closed doors and made sure no one in the family went down that hallway to hear what her sons were enduring. If that were my boys, they wouldn't have had to kill their dad themselves, cause momma would have handled it as soon as that man layed his head down to sleep at night. It took less shots to kill their dad, because he was the one they needed to kill to be safe. It was subconsciously harder to kill their mother and their shots weren't as directed to kill. The initial shots didn't kill her. They had to reload and finish what they had started and end their mothers suffering.
I believe the kids had been troughs mentally and physically sexual abused from their parents. I can seen when the expropriation of their emotions at testimony in court. But that same time as I’m not saying that’s why it’s okay to killed their parents. I think that their parents are monster and they made awoke up inside deep in the heart of evil. They ruined own their innocent kids. It’s so sad.
Were there several pictures that were targeted at their privates? I guess even a single picture focusing on their parts would be atrocious… I’m just thinking of the pictures parents can sometimes take of kids running around naked being silly or whatever.
@peterpaul9644 They weren't those types of pictures. They were the kind that no one should take or look at.They were the type of pictures that would have sent who ever took them to prison.
It's sad bc back in this time people didn't think or care about what happened to little boys, it still kind of like this way. We gotta protect all children regardless of what gender they are.
@@MeadeFatLoss Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. Of course people cared about boys & girls. It was just a question of how truthful or untruthful Menendez Brothers were being on the stand.
No it's because they lied. What was so hard to understand they lied at first so all credibility went out the window. They may have been sexually abused I don't know but why not tell the therapist at the time
Look how he acted when he cried and lied about the parent's murder? Would you go on a massive spending spree after killing your unarmed parents? Then lie in Court and say I loved my parents??
@judithwilliams3147 Exactly. I knew the bare minimum about the case before watching the series so, I fully expected the title to be referring to the brothers, when it was actually the parents who the series makers were referring to...very clever.
IMO, they should be released from prison. Those guys were tortured all during their childhood and their heads were screwed up when they murdered their parents. Their dad was a sick sexual predator who abused his sons and others and their mom went along with the sick situation. DISGUSTING.
@@iamahorsenut7541ofc he lied murder is terrible. Who would admit to that? But i genuinely believe that they felt terrible for killing him. They were just abused people that were driven to do something they didnt really want to do. They felt scared for their lives. This was the only way out for them. It could also be that the abuse could a toll on their brains. I think psychologists did say they have a brain of a 10 year old. So thinking might’ve not been logical here. And when they did it, it must’ve overwhelmed their minds.
@@randomer.r7318 not 1 shot, multiple shots. All this supposed child abuse but not 1 doctor or school teacher or relative reported it to authorities??? The whole story doesn't add up
Literally one of the saddest stories ever. You can tell 100% they're telling the truth. That kind of emotion can't be faked. They shouldn't be in prison. If Gypsy Rose can be out so can they. Ive never felt more sorry for two kids. Their parents were the definition lf evil. Literally possessed by the freaking devil himself.
Gypsy didn’t actually commit the murder, I agree its a sad story but they planned the killing, carried it out and then lied about it for months and spent their parents fortune until they were caught. The things they did after sealed their fate.
@@TeezyTattoos just as Gypsy planned the killing, manipulated a mentally ill boy to carry it out. Then went to a hotel room with her boyfriend on a "honeymoon" of sorts. She also lied about it until she knew she was caught. There's literally no difference.
Unfortunately that was coached crying. Lyle admitted he faked those tears on a phone call and that's why he didn't take the stand for the second trial. He incriminated himself.
I've watched the whole series and the two actors who played the brothers were excellent, but Ryan Murphy created a different story. Today I've did my research directly and in the REAL trial a few family members said that some abuse was happening. Also last year or lil before , a former Menudo member, Roy Rosselló, has said that Jose Menendez, then an executive at RCA Records (which signed Menudo to a multimillion-dollar contract), raped him as well, in the family’s New Jersey home.
He did portray it... Or did I misunderstand? One aunt took to the stand (now I'm not sure it was an aunt) saying that he was sometimes too rough.... Also the male cousin...
Isnt this scenario every childs WORST NIGHTMARE?? A father who is S Assaulting you and a mother who allows, covers and possibly participates at any level?? Who does a child trust enough to turn to when your own parents are betraying you in such a way?? If their behavior after the murders are a question....I would ask "How would YOU behave if you felt you had NO way to free yourself of the humiliating torture your parents put you through, to avoid the humiliation of revealing the details that hurt you all your life?" I'm not sure there is a proper way to behave. They were already broken young men....I wouldn't expect them to behave any particular way....
I believe that what these two men went through as children/teens made them victims. They acted in self defense, and should be released from prison. They have suffered enough.
It’s very obvious with all the evidence that these brothers are INNOCENT!!! They were abused, afraid, alone and needed the abuse to stop! I believe if their parents were still alive they would both still be predators and abusive people! These brothers were abused since they were children and that changes everything in a child’s mind, it will cause so much damage and Lyle and Erik already have suffered enough for more than a million lifetimes. Please set them free!! They deserve a chance to be free & happy!!!
I've heard tons of stories about mothers not doing anything to defend their children in this kind of situation. I always tell people around me to never trust anyone even their parents. Mind you, this case is in the 90s wherein no one would bat an eye on an male to male abuse plus it's their father. People are too focused on the fact that they did it for money.
What's sad about this is, at that time we didn't know as much about abuse and abuse victims as we do now. They essentially treated them like villains on the second trial and wouldn't even Factor what was their key defense which was the most relevant part of the case. They were essentially victimized all over again just buy the judicial system. It's heartbreaking and sickening when you think about it.
Not only they're Innocent. They didn't get a fair trial. They should be released ASAP and in my opinion, they should sue anyone involved in their many years of incarceration for Billions
@@Djkdarg due to years of abuse and feelings of being trapped and threats and ultimately self defense. A lot of cold blooded killers get less time. Even if 1% chance they did it for money and everything else is BS, which I highly doubt, there's too many people and witnesses that agree with the brothers and at least 1 of the members from the popular Spanish boy band Menudo in the recent documentary I saw of him regarding the 2 brothers has very vivid memories of their Dad and how manipulative and sneaky and ultimately evil he was. He has no horse in this race. It would make no sense for him to make stuff like this up. Plus people close to the Menendezes always say how their dad had so many enemies. And just looking deep into their dad's face and eyes, one can tell this guy was sketchy af. You can't hide your aura and your vibe, no matter who you are. My point is even if it was for money they still did their time and should be paroled.
Okay all evidence aside as someone who has trauma the actual testimonies are the most convincing thing.. im crying because i realize how hard it obviously is for them to answer those questions in front of an audience, its so obvious that the abuse was servere and they were the victims. Everyone says abusers deserve to die until a victim fights back and kills their abuser. But on the other hand if they didn't they likely wouldnt be taken seriously.. And the fact that all these stories didn't include their abuse and why they did what they did. A story about brothers killing their sexually and violently abusive parents is a lot different than 2 rich kids murder their innocent rich parents.
The fact that their father was that wealthy & they were still living at home says a lot about the level of control he wanted. Their mother knew but did nothing. They were never going to be free of him
Let them out. They have been in prison since the day they were born. They should finally be free for the first time in their lives. FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!!!
@@SeanF-m4bas opposed to who? In the original trial there were 50+ people who were able to corroborate the brothers stories about how awful their parents were, from teachers who hadn’t seen them for years and had no loyalty to them to actual family members who witnessed moments of abuse. Yet not 1 person could be found to say otherwise.
Let’s just say they were bad parents they did not deserve to be murdered in cold blood they gave there kids everything 😂 literally bought the son an apartment before they were murdered! Those two rats 🐀 need to stay in jail… think there slick with there lies … there devils
It's Netflix. They have to fling that much crap in hopes somethings going stick to the wall. I can see it struggling being like how VCR came then CD to these Digital Networks turning into the Digi-Dinosaur and becoming extinct before us..
It was brave af of him to own up to it in court in front of a ton of people (and also apologize to Erik on top of that). He didn't have to do that, it didn't help his case at all. However, it showed how children immitate the behavior of their parents.
It’s disturbing to think what more evidence do you need it seems as though u would have to get a recording of your abuser to say they are abusing you , and still probably wouldn’t be good enough 🤯
I have two teenaged sons. I cry every time I see the brother’s testimonials. Am a US citizen living in India. I was born there, studied there, and am now an author living in Mumbai. I don’t want to lose faith in America. I will give up my US citizenship if the Menendez brothers are not released from jail. PLEASE, for God’s sake, release them. 🙏
This was very well put together 👍. I always felt that it was manslaughter. I believe they were s abused and used 💯. Eric reacted so real when it was over(his parents death) by trying to bang his head on that tree like he couldn't believe things went that way for him and Lyle leading up to their parents death😢. He hated it all so much that he had to tell the therapist to get it off his chest and same with lyle. Such misery and Sodom and Gomorrah😢. I hope they can get outta prison now they,ve served their time. Way too much s abuse went on in Cali in the movie/music industry back then😢. Thank You for covering their case❤.
I whole heartedly believe they were abused. They had family members say they suspected/heard strange things, they even had a whole dentist come in and talk about the fact that I think it was Erik’s throat was damaged and the dentist himself said it could’ve been from sexual abuse, the PICTURES. There’s so much evidence that some type of abuse was going on and people still think they’re lying. There’s so much evidence that it’s true outweighing evidence that it’s not.
No, premeditated murder, blowing a hole through the back of your fathers head, lying about it, trying to get away with it, the brother LITERALLY WEARING HIS FATHERS SHOES AFTER BLEW A HOLE THROUGH HIS HEAD is entirely callous, they killed them again with the sexual abuse claims (I believe they may have been emotionally and physically abused but not sexually) they deserve life in jail, both of them.
@@Ns247-l1c i believe they were just spoiled kids who got mad at their parents. its so common. just in forensic files there are many episodes. one dude executed his dad for buying him a used car. two other boys killed their parents after having a nice dinner declaring the graduation from university declaring their future, dad got them a car, and they killed their parents because the truth was he didn't graduate.
14:21 i just broke down in tears, i cannot imagine how he must feel especially having to admit that in front of a bunch of people and on camera. praying these brothers get out of jail and can live a relatively normal rest of their lives
Where the hell was this letter from Andy, their cousin, the whole time they were going to trial ? Now he wants to bring up the letter after they’ve already served 34 years 🙄 I don’t understand these ppl, why were they holding back on evidence and the other guy from the Puerto Rican band why didn’t he talk up and say something a long time ago. Smh it could’ve the boys case smh 🤦🏾♀️
aw girl please don't defend them. look up lyle saying "i don't want to go because there are too many black people." all the women supporting them would have gotten REJECTED brutally during their shopping spree time
You should do more research - all evidence during the second trial was suppressed - it couldn’t even be mentioned. That’s when they were convicted. The cousin who received the the letter ended up deleting himself from guilt … why would he do this? He knew about the abuse for a long time
Eric definitely... Was struggling... He's clearly a man of consciousness you know... But when a person sustains that kind of abuse for so long by a narcissistic grandiose a******.. it will affect their mental health
I’ve been crying every day watching these testimonies. I was in America as a student at San Diego when the boys were tried and convicted (presently live in Mumbai). They were demonized at the time- portrayed as two rich brats that killed their parents in cold blood. But when I had watched them on tv, at the time, I didn’t feel that way- I felt that there was something really wrong here. They looked innocent to me. And now as I watch the case revived in the media, and all the Shorts and TH-cam reels, I relive my youth, as I watch how they lost theirs to the rigged justice system of the time. Free these men, asap. America is looking like a country as archaic and unjust as any so-called backward nation!
i believe that they were abused. from what i had read, and watched to do with the case and the parents. they seems extremely obsessed with their image. I believe the brothers should be released. If gypsy rose blanchard can be released then the brothers should be as well. It is not far. They deserve freedom. Ive just finished watching the netflix series and i think it was brilliant showing what the brothers went through.
Also, for those of you who say they couldn’t possibly fake their emotions on the stand during the trial, they faked emotion while lying during the 911 call to the cops and when Eric called his tennis coach. So, yes I believe it’s possible to fake emotion
Literally a sign of a psycho path definitely have mixed emotions on this case ppl there are many flaws in case goes from wanting to protect the parents image to saying they was abused which very well could b true but the parents death was planned out no doubt
It's possible to fake emotions, but the details of their testimonies were horrific and way too specific for it to be all made up. Also, their stories never changed after all this time. Aside from all of this, you can't fake witnesses that corroborate your story of abuse, especially if they have nothing to gain from it.
@joes.4149 So what? Why are you ignoring the fact that the abuse was corroborated by family members and the letter recently found? If what you're saying is even true - it's totally irrelevant and has no bearing on what I just mentioned.
I can’t believe that the side piece of the psychiatrist was allowed to bring this to court!! It’s complete hearsay!! The fact that the Dr is also not under privilege is baffling to me!
Who cares if they are spoiled brats. They were still molested as children and should get justice. Sometimes I feel that because they're rich, the justice system gave them harsh punishment. It's as if we're celebrating child molesters.
😂😂😂 The prosecutors literally making sure they win whether or not minors were molested or not. Sad part is NOTHING happens to them even after it is proven they maliciously sent someone innocent to prison.
Horrible story, I can't stop thinking of those kids who have been abused and no one believes them or help them. The murderer is awful too, but definitely there was something more there.
It is still so gut-wrenching to see them crying as young men. Ever since I saw the videos of their testimony, I totally felt horrible for them. They were far from acting, I think anyone that has admitted to themselves they were SA'd as kids and know the anger, FEAR sadness, shame, and confusion you can see in these boys eyes, told us, they were being honest. They should have been allowed mitigating circumstances, like even mass murderers are given these days, given the horrific abuse that we now know even parents can do. These boy lived a childhood in hell, then the rest of their lives in jail hell right after. So unfair.
If their father really did abuse them, then good job to them! I can't imagine having to live with someone who abused their child. He really messed up his kids. They need to let them out!
@@shellbacksclub well no, that tape you are referring to - which he never gave consent to have recorded btw - he said no such thing actually which is why it’s barely ever brought up.
If they lied about one thing why is it so far fetched that they can lie about other things?.. if the abuse was true they would said to begin with and not lie and pay people and family to lie for them.
@@lexboogie2 well no bc that’s not how ppl who were abused victims operate especially those who have been abused their whole lives. They don’t just blurt it out and tell ppl it takes a long time for abuse victims especially those who have been sexually abused to come out and speak about it. Pick up a book
@angrylittlemissred oh so I guess they just take a shot gun and blow their own parents face off at close range huh?..... Or do they go on a spending spree spending almost a million dollars on BS cause it was soo" Difficult " or do they go around their family and friends and try to pay them off to say things that wasn't true? I think you need to get a clue and shut up.
Ya they were Tortured!? Why are they still in there?? I don't understand why they didn't get manslaughter but the defence said it's always been about manslaughter but they are in prison for murder!? Doesn't make sense!! They Served their time and Over That now I'm jail and I Can't Imagine their while Lives with their parents Wow!! I believed them the second the video showed how excruciating it was for them to talk about!? The second trial even had their cousin but said he was a liar?? Did they set them up?? They're way past their time in jail and the torture from their childhood.. Leave them in Peace and Get Them Out Wow this is Awful all the way around it💔🙏
I agree. Back then, the males on that jury believed males can't be raped and there is a misconception that if abuse it true people report it straight away but victims of rape feel a lot of shame which is why not everyone reports, many wait sometimes weeks, months, years to report and men report less. Plus the men of the jury didn't like the woman lawyer that represented the Menendez brothers, not sure why, maybe because she was a tough woman or sexist views, one can only speculate
Tortured? U ever had nice sex with someone who tortured you? U slipping cinnamon into the food & drinks someone who laying Woody in your Alley? Hell nah…that was a crime of passion.
I just finished watching Netflix and couldn’t help burst into tears during the scene when Lyle and Erik told Leslie what they have been through all this time 😭 It really breaks my heart to imagine all the disgusting evil things their Father had done to them. IMHO, they should be released from jail and be given therapy/psychiatric assistance. They’re THE VICTIM.
They should never have been charged at all. Charging them condoned sexual abuse. Absolutely tragic for these boys, so very sad and such a waste of two lives.
What i find the saddest is their separated incarceration for 22 years, that was just inhumane!! Yes they’re were murderers but also victims, why the court only sided with the abusers!!? They must be released, like what their family have been saying ‘enough is enough, bring them home’.
This is really uncomfortable viewing. I don't condone murder per se but the sexual and psychological abuse of Lyle and Erik is shocking. Society in the 80s didn't really understand. I'm not convinced that incarceration was the right decision. Erik and Lyle (and their mother) were victims regardless of the fact that they murdered their parents.
The fact that the judge and prossecution took the steps to block the most important testimony that repeesented the motive as to why this happened,just screams injustice to anyone who isn't biased and is looking at it as 2 rich boys wanting to get away with it. Many have said the same and it is true,if this was the case of the 2 Menendez sisters instead of the 2 Menendez brothers,they would have not been convicted as they were nor would the most crucial evidence and testimony have been blocked from being exposed in court. Because this case involves 2 boys,as it so many times happens even today,the significance and credibility of abuse being involved is tremendously downplayed. We see it all the time,boys who are abused by people who should be protecting them and taking care of them,and majority of the times the penalties are extremely soft against those people. How many cases have we seen of male students being abused by female teachers and the result is 2 years probation? How many times have we seen cases that if the roles were reversed and it involved males acting against females the penalties would be high,but since they are not what ends up happening is that things are downplayed and jokes are made at the expense of a child losing their Innocence far too soon and to the wrong people? This is a real problem in our society,when it comes to abuse against male victims things are downplayed,credibility is low and sometimes non existent and penalties are too soft against those who commit it.
girl stfu! they brutally murdered their parents, blowing their faces off, then lied about it, than spent their money like a bunch of spoiled rich kids. Then they laughed about it in court and when they realized that they might be in prison for the rest of their lives they made up a story about SA
They killed their parents in cold blood, so there’s no way they can defend themselves. These two brothers were adults when they murdered their parents. They were free to leave home and could have pressed charges against their parents instead.
@Antisocialpessimist Jose was not an elderly man, what the hell ? He was 45 when he died ! And he was going strong in business as well as activities. Stop painting a picture that isn't true just to fit your narrative.
@@A.M-b8t he was an easy scrap though. these two grown dorks were maturing faster than you or me. with riches you or me still cant afford 33 years later lmao.
@littlefruitster2667 of course no one deserves to die. But if you abuse a child sexually that will eventually come back and bite ya in the ass. If the parents could have kept their sexual fantasies away from the children maybe the parents would still be alive. And if the pics that were found were found today the brothers would have gotten manslaughter just from the pictures they found of them as children. But the prosecution said "men can't be ra*e cuz they lack the necessary equipment" so that must be true right? So if you belive the prosecution I hope you belive in everything the prosecution says. Which means you don't belive men can be sexually assaulted. Hope you have a fine day with that.
They concocted the sexual abuse as a means for killing their parents. They only told Dr. Oziel about how demanding and physical he was with them. I remember how the bailiff would talk about how the brothers would high-five each other after their testimonies, laughing about how they really fooled them. Sic brothers.
@netflix I wish I could afford to watch the new documentary. I hope they are released, they have done more time than some actual pre-meditated murderers already!!
You can be both a spoiled brat and abused as a child. Maybe that’s why you are spoiled because they want to keep you silent.
a fair point
it's just a coping modus ... a way to cope with the horrible situation.
Exactly. I got the impression that Lyle the oldest was sociopathic.
18 and 21 years are huge developmental life transitions. K and Jose wouldn't let them make life choices, didn't encourage their career interests, didn't validate their feelings.
Jose was in boarding school. He was totally supported by his father also driven by his father, possibly abused. Jose might have been a sociopath himself. Many people expelled from Cuba were mob associated. Organized crime owned Cuba before the revolution. It's very possible that Jose was also corrupted along the way or forced to associated with them.
Leave it to Jose and Kitty to find a corrupt therapist for the boys. Confidentiality has professional ethical limitations. You can't fail to report a crime. In fact, the boys could likely have been diagnosed as oppositional defiant and conduct disordered youth. Eric could have been considered sociopathic. But on top of that they suffered from traumatic abuse. That should have been a sentencing mitigation factor if not reducing the conviction to manslaughter.
That sounds wise
True.
You did a much better job than Netflix honestly
I could barely get through 5 minutes of that documentary on Netflix-it was absolutely terrible.
@@Allthingsreview2023 then cancel your Netflix subscription
Not with the fake thumbnail though, can clearly see their heads are attached on someone else's bodies.
There are people who believe they were grown adults, they had alternatives to murder. Those people don’t understand abuse. When the 13 Turpin kids were rescued from their house of horrors, the oldest one was 29.
This. They also don’t understand why abused people don’t tell others about the abuse. The main reason they lost the case is because people then weren’t as well informed about abuse victims’ tendencies to conceal abuse, especially sexual abuse, because of the fear and shame they have been conditioned to feel.
No excuses
Because they were adults
Who did the Turpin kids murder? I've had 6 decades on this planet. I've met plenty of people who were abused horribly.. not one of them commit murder. One was raped nearly every night by a step parent. She moved on as an adult and never killed either her mom or stepfather. Amazing... but not choosing murder is an option.
I was abused as a child and I did not leave even after becoming an adult. People who have never been abused find that difficult to understand, but when you have been abused for most of your life and made to be dependent on your abusers and fearful and emotionally stunted, it's extremely difficult to leave, it felt impossible for me. I did not know how to do anything on my own. I barely had friends, was very bad at socializing because my abuser kept me from learning to do things on my own or socializing with people. The Menendez brothers should be freed. They have served over 30 years in prison after being abused since birth. They have never been free in their lives.
Sadly, No excuse for murder
Did you murder this abuser?
I don’t believe that for one minute. I was abused as well but I would never think of murder not a chance.
@@90sHouseBoy sad thing is most abused children blame themselves. my best friend killed himself when he was in his thirties. In the letter he wrote he explained all the abuse he went through as a child and why he only was able to leave the house when his father passed away. He didn't kille hs fater, but he did kill himself and was so ashamed to what has happened to him that he never told a soul.
No he didn't kill him, and no one supports the killing. But this wasn't 'just' a killing. and they served their time. they went from one prison to another. it's time for them to live a normal live
I am sorry this happened to you. I hope that you are free and doing well now. I hope you have found some peace in your life. 🙏🙏❤❤
I can't imagine what happens to a child's mind when they're chronically SAd by their father, and enabled by the mother, two people in the world who are supposed to protect their kids. Horrifying.
Right? Same sis. Have you seen some of the letter’s Erik wrote? As an 18 year old? It looked like a letter a child would write. The pictures of a snow man and things like that. You go into a fight or flight mode. When you are abused. Your brain is constantly on fight or flight, so it restricts the maturing and emotional growth. So sad
Isn't their mom part of the abuse? Ad woman, please be in her shoes before jump in to judgment. May be she feared him. Imagine your husband cheating with multiple women including buying them home, sexual abuse your childre. It is easy to judge than understand. Truly sad she was the one got more shots than her husband. 10 shots? For what??? As boys they also should protect her from there abusive father.
If the stories of the family members are true, the mother knew what her husband was doing to her sons behind closed doors and made sure no one in the family went down that hallway to hear what her sons were enduring. If that were my boys, they wouldn't have had to kill their dad themselves, cause momma would have handled it as soon as that man layed his head down to sleep at night. It took less shots to kill their dad, because he was the one they needed to kill to be safe. It was subconsciously harder to kill their mother and their shots weren't as directed to kill. The initial shots didn't kill her. They had to reload and finish what they had started and end their mothers suffering.
I believe the kids had been troughs mentally and physically sexual abused from their parents. I can seen when the expropriation of their emotions at testimony in court. But that same time as I’m not saying that’s why it’s okay to killed their parents. I think that their parents are monster and they made awoke up inside deep in the heart of evil. They ruined own their innocent kids. It’s so sad.
The fact that there are nude pictures. That should have been enough to prove the abuse....that's not in any way normal.
Yes 100%
Were there several pictures that were targeted at their privates? I guess even a single picture focusing on their parts would be atrocious… I’m just thinking of the pictures parents can sometimes take of kids running around naked being silly or whatever.
@peterpaul9644 They weren't those types of pictures. They were the kind that no one should take or look at.They were the type of pictures that would have sent who ever took them to prison.
and the family knew something was up too!
@@joshuarock4631 They all knew something was not right.
It's sad bc back in this time people didn't think or care about what happened to little boys, it still kind of like this way. We gotta protect all children regardless of what gender they are.
Not true . They just didn't buy their stories
@@MeadeFatLoss
Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing. Of course people cared about boys & girls. It was just a question of how truthful or untruthful Menendez Brothers were being on the stand.
1000% agree. People should really take little boys seriously!
@MeadeFatLoss The first prosecutor literally said men can't get raped they don't have the parts
No it's because they lied. What was so hard to understand they lied at first so all credibility went out the window. They may have been sexually abused I don't know but why not tell the therapist at the time
The photos,the letters,the witnesses too. Too much points to abuse. Free the bros
They shouldn’t be freed
They’re 100% telling the truth. If they’re lying they deserve oscars and are one of the best actors to ever exist.
Look how he acted when he cried and lied about the parent's murder? Would you go on a massive spending spree after killing your unarmed parents? Then lie in Court and say I loved my parents??
Beening a "monster" is a lack of empathy. If they were monsters they would never admit the murder and feel regret. Let them free, enough is enough.
They aren't the monsters. The parents are.
@judithwilliams3147 Exactly. I knew the bare minimum about the case before watching the series so, I fully expected the title to be referring to the brothers, when it was actually the parents who the series makers were referring to...very clever.
They spend 3 decade in jail… I think it’s time for them to be released.
no fucking way.
@@-d-4182 Yes fudging way.
I think you should take a journey back to your planet
@@-d-4182 Yes fucking way.
@@jvs1ice they should go live in your neighborhood
Jeez. I forgot that Lyle did stuff to Erik too. The guilt in his words is devastating.
Right. How anyone could conclude that they’re lying is beyond my comprehension.
And you could see the pain in Erik's face..
IMO, they should be released from prison. Those guys were tortured all during their childhood and their heads were screwed up when they murdered their parents. Their dad was a sick sexual predator who abused his sons and others and their mom went along with the sick situation. DISGUSTING.
I completely agree. They have been punished enough!
happens with these rich families more than you would believe
13:52 the emotion and how tough it is for him to utter those words, that's such a genuine reaction to trauma
Like when he cried and lied about the cold blooded murder of the parents??
@@iamahorsenut7541ofc he lied murder is terrible. Who would admit to that? But i genuinely believe that they felt terrible for killing him. They were just abused people that were driven to do something they didnt really want to do. They felt scared for their lives. This was the only way out for them. It could also be that the abuse could a toll on their brains. I think psychologists did say they have a brain of a 10 year old. So thinking might’ve not been logical here. And when they did it, it must’ve overwhelmed their minds.
@@randomer.r7318 not 1 shot, multiple shots. All this supposed child abuse but not 1 doctor or school teacher or relative reported it to authorities??? The whole story doesn't add up
@@iamahorsenut7541 just because something adds up doesnt make it true and just because something doesnt add up its not true . lol
Literally one of the saddest stories ever. You can tell 100% they're telling the truth. That kind of emotion can't be faked. They shouldn't be in prison. If Gypsy Rose can be out so can they. Ive never felt more sorry for two kids. Their parents were the definition lf evil. Literally possessed by the freaking devil himself.
No excuse for murder
Gypsy didn’t actually commit the murder, I agree its a sad story but they planned the killing, carried it out and then lied about it for months and spent their parents fortune until they were caught. The things they did after sealed their fate.
@@TeezyTattoos just as Gypsy planned the killing, manipulated a mentally ill boy to carry it out. Then went to a hotel room with her boyfriend on a "honeymoon" of sorts. She also lied about it until she knew she was caught. There's literally no difference.
Gypsy manipulated an autistic dude to do it and she gets treated like a hero. Free them at this point. I believe their story more
Unfortunately that was coached crying. Lyle admitted he faked those tears on a phone call and that's why he didn't take the stand for the second trial. He incriminated himself.
THEY NEED TO BE RELEASED
I've watched the whole series and the two actors who played the brothers were excellent, but Ryan Murphy created a different story. Today I've did my research directly and in the REAL trial a few family members said that some abuse was happening. Also last year or lil before , a former Menudo member, Roy Rosselló, has said that Jose Menendez, then an executive at RCA Records (which signed Menudo to a multimillion-dollar contract), raped him as well, in the family’s New Jersey home.
Ryan Murphy has several allegations of inappropriate conduct himself. No wonder he would sympathise with the villains...
He did portray it... Or did I misunderstand? One aunt took to the stand (now I'm not sure it was an aunt) saying that he was sometimes too rough.... Also the male cousin...
but no one believes that guy.
Best summary of the Menendez trials. Keep the good work!
Isnt this scenario every childs WORST NIGHTMARE?? A father who is S Assaulting you and a mother who allows, covers and possibly participates at any level?? Who does a child trust enough to turn to when your own parents are betraying you in such a way??
If their behavior after the murders are a question....I would ask "How would YOU behave if you felt you had NO way to free yourself of the humiliating torture your parents put you through, to avoid the humiliation of revealing the details that hurt you all your life?" I'm not sure there is a proper way to behave. They were already broken young men....I wouldn't expect them to behave any particular way....
A rich family yet everyone is so unhappy. Money can't buy happiness.
Well poverty doesn't buy happiness either. So what's your point? Money has nothing to do with happiness.
some of the richest people i know are poor.
@@scottshorten9962and the most depressed people I know are poor, now what ?
It was there children!!!! Spoilt
Yeah, THAT'S the moral of the story here. 😒🙄🙄🙄🙄
they deserve to be free. when you get repeatedly abused by the two people who are supposed to love you the most you’re going to be pushed to the edge.
if they're lying give them an oscar seriously
honestly the photos should be enough proof that they're telling the truth
Like how they acted when they lied and lied about the parent's murder??
I believe that what these two men went through as children/teens made them victims. They acted in self defense, and should be released from prison. They have suffered enough.
It’s very obvious with all the evidence that these brothers are INNOCENT!!! They were abused, afraid, alone and needed the abuse to stop! I believe if their parents were still alive they would both still be predators and abusive people!
These brothers were abused since they were children and that changes everything in a child’s mind, it will cause so much damage and Lyle and Erik already have suffered enough for more than a million lifetimes. Please set them free!! They deserve a chance to be free & happy!!!
I've heard tons of stories about mothers not doing anything to defend their children in this kind of situation. I always tell people around me to never trust anyone even their parents. Mind you, this case is in the 90s wherein no one would bat an eye on an male to male abuse plus it's their father. People are too focused on the fact that they did it for money.
What's sad about this is, at that time we didn't know as much about abuse and abuse victims as we do now. They essentially treated them like villains on the second trial and wouldn't even Factor what was their key defense which was the most relevant part of the case. They were essentially victimized all over again just buy the judicial system. It's heartbreaking and sickening when you think about it.
I don’t know but I believe them. I believe that they went through that abuse, and that’s why they went to that extreme.
100%
Not only they're Innocent. They didn't get a fair trial. They should be released ASAP and in my opinion, they should sue anyone involved in their many years of incarceration for Billions
💯💯
They’re not innocent tho. They did actually kill their parents regardless of the reasoning
@@Djkdarg due to years of abuse and feelings of being trapped and threats and ultimately self defense. A lot of cold blooded killers get less time. Even if 1% chance they did it for money and everything else is BS, which I highly doubt, there's too many people and witnesses that agree with the brothers and at least 1 of the members from the popular Spanish boy band Menudo in the recent documentary I saw of him regarding the 2 brothers has very vivid memories of their Dad and how manipulative and sneaky and ultimately evil he was. He has no horse in this race. It would make no sense for him to make stuff like this up. Plus people close to the Menendezes always say how their dad had so many enemies. And just looking deep into their dad's face and eyes, one can tell this guy was sketchy af. You can't hide your aura and your vibe, no matter who you are. My point is even if it was for money they still did their time and should be paroled.
they’re aren’t completely innocent but i do agree they didn’t have a fair trial
No, they're not innocent, but the argument is that they should not be serving life in prison. They are not serial killers
Okay all evidence aside as someone who has trauma the actual testimonies are the most convincing thing.. im crying because i realize how hard it obviously is for them to answer those questions in front of an audience, its so obvious that the abuse was servere and they were the victims. Everyone says abusers deserve to die until a victim fights back and kills their abuser. But on the other hand if they didn't they likely wouldnt be taken seriously.. And the fact that all these stories didn't include their abuse and why they did what they did. A story about brothers killing their sexually and violently abusive parents is a lot different than 2 rich kids murder their innocent rich parents.
Absolutely disgusting what was done to those two boys. I could barely get through that footage in court where they described those horrific acts.
The fact that their father was that wealthy & they were still living at home says a lot about the level of control he wanted. Their mother knew but did nothing. They were never going to be free of him
Let them out. They have been in prison since the day they were born. They should finally be free for the first time in their lives.
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS!!!
The parents were evil
You don’t know that for sure!!! Taking the words of murders
@@SeanF-m4b i believe them
@@feyhanemli1507I don’t.
@@SeanF-m4bas opposed to who? In the original trial there were 50+ people who were able to corroborate the brothers stories about how awful their parents were, from teachers who hadn’t seen them for years and had no loyalty to them to actual family members who witnessed moments of abuse. Yet not 1 person could be found to say otherwise.
Let’s just say they were bad parents they did not deserve to be murdered in cold blood they gave there kids everything 😂 literally bought the son an apartment before they were murdered! Those two rats 🐀 need to stay in jail… think there slick with there lies … there devils
I hope these guys sue netflix cus that show is such an insult to them
Wouldn't a network or anyone with plans to speak on someone's life need permission first?
@@DABESTESS1812No. They can say based on
@@DABESTESS1812he didn’t get permission from the jeffry dahmer victims nor for this case
It's Netflix. They have to fling that much crap in hopes somethings going stick to the wall. I can see it struggling being like how VCR came then CD to these Digital Networks turning into the Digi-Dinosaur and becoming extinct before us..
They didn’t go on a spending spree. All purchases had to be approved and only Lyle used shopping as way to relieve anxiety. Like his mother
If there lying why on earth would lyle lie about doing the same Erik himself ?
They read books on abuse before the trial. They also mentioned the sexual abuse 10 days before the trial.
@@nonnonbutlove1642because they knew they’d just be looked at as being g@y.
It was brave af of him to own up to it in court in front of a ton of people (and also apologize to Erik on top of that). He didn't have to do that, it didn't help his case at all. However, it showed how children immitate the behavior of their parents.
They were in the same jail before the trial, they made up the lie together
also Lyle's lawyer successfully stopped his escape letter from being admissible in court. stop defending psychopaths. lyle is a mastermind
It’s disturbing to think what more evidence do you need it seems as though u would have to get a recording of your abuser to say they are abusing you , and still probably wouldn’t be good enough 🤯
I have two teenaged sons. I cry every time I see the brother’s testimonials. Am a US citizen living in India. I was born there, studied there, and am now an author living in Mumbai. I don’t want to lose faith in America. I will give up my US citizenship if the Menendez brothers are not released from jail. PLEASE, for God’s sake, release them. 🙏
How could you ever live in India 😢
No they are muderers.
This was very well put together 👍. I always felt that it was manslaughter.
I believe they were s abused and used 💯. Eric reacted so real when it was over(his parents death) by trying to bang his head on that tree like he couldn't believe things went that way for him and Lyle leading up to their parents death😢. He hated it all so much that he had to tell the therapist to get it off his chest and same with lyle. Such misery and Sodom and Gomorrah😢. I hope they can get outta prison now they,ve served their time. Way too much s abuse went on in Cali in the movie/music industry back then😢. Thank You for covering their case❤.
Pay attention to how therapist is spelled
@@vicepres02never thought about that until now “the-rapist” that’s wild
I whole heartedly believe they were abused. They had family members say they suspected/heard strange things, they even had a whole dentist come in and talk about the fact that I think it was Erik’s throat was damaged and the dentist himself said it could’ve been from sexual abuse, the PICTURES. There’s so much evidence that some type of abuse was going on and people still think they’re lying. There’s so much evidence that it’s true outweighing evidence that it’s not.
Yet not one of them not ONE, reported it to authorities? Why didn't they help the boys if true??
they served more then enough time. let them be free.
No, premeditated murder, blowing a hole through the back of your fathers head, lying about it, trying to get away with it, the brother LITERALLY WEARING HIS FATHERS SHOES AFTER BLEW A HOLE THROUGH HIS HEAD is entirely callous, they killed them again with the sexual abuse claims (I believe they may have been emotionally and physically abused but not sexually) they deserve life in jail, both of them.
Spoiled brats and cold blooded psychopaths, rot in jail
@@Ns247-l1c i believe they were just spoiled kids who got mad at their parents. its so common. just in forensic files there are many episodes. one dude executed his dad for buying him a used car. two other boys killed their parents after having a nice dinner declaring the graduation from university declaring their future, dad got them a car, and they killed their parents because the truth was he didn't graduate.
You're high
let them be free in your neighborhood
14:21 i just broke down in tears, i cannot imagine how he must feel especially having to admit that in front of a bunch of people and on camera. praying these brothers get out of jail and can live a relatively normal rest of their lives
Where the hell was this letter from Andy, their cousin, the whole time they were going to trial ? Now he wants to bring up the letter after they’ve already served 34 years 🙄 I don’t understand these ppl, why were they holding back on evidence and the other guy from the Puerto Rican band why didn’t he talk up and say something a long time ago. Smh it could’ve the boys case smh 🤦🏾♀️
A fake letter, that’s why
Rosellió was very young that's because.
aw girl please don't defend them. look up lyle saying "i don't want to go because there are too many black people." all the women supporting them would have gotten REJECTED brutally during their shopping spree time
You should do more research - all evidence during the second trial was suppressed - it couldn’t even be mentioned. That’s when they were convicted. The cousin who received the the letter ended up deleting himself from guilt … why would he do this? He knew about the abuse for a long time
@@baileyjohn5010 they already ADMITTED TO KILLING THEIR PARENTS ! What more do you people want ?
Eric definitely... Was struggling... He's clearly a man of consciousness you know... But when a person sustains that kind of abuse for so long by a narcissistic grandiose a******.. it will affect their mental health
Those prosecutors are ridiculous…calling the cousin a liar…
And the cousin killed himself.
@@ohsukkwon5482oh my gosh :(
@@ohsukkwon5482😢😢😢😢 tf
@@Rizzler-wd6bk😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
these men have served for their crime, they should be allowed to live the rest of their lives in freedom!
I’ve been crying every day watching these testimonies. I was in America as a student at San Diego when the boys were tried and convicted (presently live in Mumbai). They were demonized at the time- portrayed as two rich brats that killed their parents in cold blood. But when I had watched them on tv, at the time, I didn’t feel that way- I felt that there was something really wrong here. They looked innocent to me. And now as I watch the case revived in the media, and all the Shorts and TH-cam reels, I relive my youth, as I watch how they lost theirs to the rigged justice system of the time. Free these men, asap. America is looking like a country as archaic and unjust as any so-called backward nation!
i believe that they were abused. from what i had read, and watched to do with the case and the parents. they seems extremely obsessed with their image. I believe the brothers should be released. If gypsy rose blanchard can be released then the brothers should be as well. It is not far. They deserve freedom. Ive just finished watching the netflix series and i think it was brilliant showing what the brothers went through.
Also, for those of you who say they couldn’t possibly fake their emotions on the stand during the trial, they faked emotion while lying during the 911 call to the cops and when Eric called his tennis coach. So, yes I believe it’s possible to fake emotion
Literally a sign of a psycho path definitely have mixed emotions on this case ppl there are many flaws in case goes from wanting to protect the parents image to saying they was abused which very well could b true but the parents death was planned out no doubt
It's possible to fake emotions, but the details of their testimonies were horrific and way too specific for it to be all made up. Also, their stories never changed after all this time.
Aside from all of this, you can't fake witnesses that corroborate your story of abuse, especially if they have nothing to gain from it.
@@A.M-b8t this lawyer had this defense in MANY cases before lyle *yawns*
@@joes.4149is there proof of this.
@joes.4149 So what? Why are you ignoring the fact that the abuse was corroborated by family members and the letter recently found?
If what you're saying is even true - it's totally irrelevant and has no bearing on what I just mentioned.
In other words “we’re going to throw out anything that could make you not guilty”😂
They failed these boys so bad.
How you know?
I can’t believe that the side piece of the psychiatrist was allowed to bring this to court!! It’s complete hearsay!!
The fact that the Dr is also not under privilege is baffling to me!
What's hearsay? Which part?
Being abused how they were is a life sentence in itself. They should more so be in some sort of therapy.
lol these men wouldve killed you if you were there witnessing them kill their parents
Who cares if they are spoiled brats. They were still molested as children and should get justice. Sometimes I feel that because they're rich, the justice system gave them harsh punishment. It's as if we're celebrating child molesters.
This is hard to hear.
😂😂😂 The prosecutors literally making sure they win whether or not minors were molested or not.
Sad part is NOTHING happens to them even after it is proven they maliciously sent someone innocent to prison.
Nothing like murder victims paying for the defense of the 2 that murdered them.
AT first the brothers were victims as liittle kids of their parents..... so parents had to pay it back..... life is ironic
I feel so sad for them ..i cried when i watched the new netflix series
I don't understand why Ryan Murphy made it a dramedy
@@PhlesheBone to make it more controversial i guess
Horrible story, I can't stop thinking of those kids who have been abused and no one believes them or help them. The murderer is awful too, but definitely there was something more there.
It is still so gut-wrenching to see them crying as young men. Ever since I saw the videos of their testimony, I totally felt horrible for them. They were far from acting, I think anyone that has admitted to themselves they were SA'd as kids and know the anger, FEAR sadness, shame, and confusion you can see in these boys eyes, told us, they were being honest. They should have been allowed mitigating circumstances, like even mass murderers are given these days, given the horrific abuse that we now know even parents can do. These boy lived a childhood in hell, then the rest of their lives in jail hell right after. So unfair.
So happy I found your channel!
UNFORTUNATE. KEEP KEEPING YOUR HEADS UP BROTHERS, I BELIEVE IN YOU!!!!!
Didn't they lie in that 911 phone call? Liars.
On my birthday…I was 13 so I seen it but damn…couldn’t believe it but they did that…tragic…I heard that they went on a shopping spree soon after.
They made the brothers gay / in love to each other like wtheck?! Is that even real? Did they even share that?
No, that's just Ryan Murphy's sick fantasy/kink.
No
@@CallitPureJoy That's only Ryan Murphy's sick fantasy/kink he felt the need to project onto the brothers somehow.
Those were scenes explaining the reporter Dominick Dunnes theory/point of view. Not actually saying that happened
If their father really did abuse them, then good job to them! I can't imagine having to live with someone who abused their child. He really messed up his kids. They need to let them out!
Lyle admitted on tape that he lied about the molestati0ns & fake cried on the stand, why are ppl all of a sudden believing these sociopaths again?
Sources? Super keen to see this info
@@shellbacksclub well no, that tape you are referring to - which he never gave consent to have recorded btw - he said no such thing actually which is why it’s barely ever brought up.
If they lied about one thing why is it so far fetched that they can lie about other things?.. if the abuse was true they would said to begin with and not lie and pay people and family to lie for them.
@@lexboogie2 well no bc that’s not how ppl who were abused victims operate especially those who have been abused their whole lives. They don’t just blurt it out and tell ppl it takes a long time for abuse victims especially those who have been sexually abused to come out and speak about it. Pick up a book
@angrylittlemissred oh so I guess they just take a shot gun and blow their own parents face off at close range huh?..... Or do they go on a spending spree spending almost a million dollars on BS cause it was soo" Difficult " or do they go around their family and friends and try to pay them off to say things that wasn't true?
I think you need to get a clue and shut up.
Free the brothers they were abused! Excellent documentary!❤
These two are literally forced to relive their childhood trauma! 😭🤮STOP IT! I truly believe them in this trial. They’re (****) scared!
Glory and power be to he who sits on the throne!
Smh ❤😢
i only heard about these brothers this year and i genuinely feel like they failed them!
I wish they would be free. As yesterday was to late to be free
Ya they were Tortured!? Why are they still in there?? I don't understand why they didn't get manslaughter but the defence said it's always been about manslaughter but they are in prison for murder!? Doesn't make sense!! They Served their time and Over That now I'm jail and I Can't Imagine their while Lives with their parents Wow!! I believed them the second the video showed how excruciating it was for them to talk about!? The second trial even had their cousin but said he was a liar?? Did they set them up?? They're way past their time in jail and the torture from their childhood.. Leave them in Peace and Get Them Out Wow this is Awful all the way around it💔🙏
I agree. Back then, the males on that jury believed males can't be raped and there is a misconception that if abuse it true people report it straight away but victims of rape feel a lot of shame which is why not everyone reports, many wait sometimes weeks, months, years to report and men report less. Plus the men of the jury didn't like the woman lawyer that represented the Menendez brothers, not sure why, maybe because she was a tough woman or sexist views, one can only speculate
Tortured? U ever had nice sex with someone who tortured you? U slipping cinnamon into the food & drinks someone who laying Woody in your Alley? Hell nah…that was a crime of passion.
Just let these brothers be free
They should free them. I believe they were molested.
My heart hurts for these boys man. Free them
I was abused does that mean I deserve to kill. No. Doesn’t matter the case murder is murder it’s wrong
I just finished watching Netflix and couldn’t help burst into tears during the scene when Lyle and Erik told Leslie what they have been through all this time 😭 It really breaks my heart to imagine all the disgusting evil things their Father had done to them. IMHO, they should be released from jail and be given therapy/psychiatric assistance. They’re THE VICTIM.
They should never have been charged at all. Charging them condoned sexual abuse. Absolutely tragic for these boys, so very sad and such a waste of two lives.
They were never abused sexually.
It's the only defense that could excuse those murders.
I believe u too
But then again idk the family all re counts the same thing they both told them desperate
They absolutely need to be RELEASED. .......they have done more than enough time in jail
And if the victim's were your parents?
What i find the saddest is their separated incarceration for 22 years, that was just inhumane!! Yes they’re were murderers but also victims, why the court only sided with the abusers!!? They must be released, like what their family have been saying ‘enough is enough, bring them home’.
Knowone knows unless theve gone through it, what it is like to be totally controlled by someone.
The life of these two has been ruined by the injustice served by law
i couldn't imagine so many people at van nuys court wow
Oooooh now i know why there is a movie Nightmate on Elm drive.
the movie is elm st and its about a decade before this lol
This is really uncomfortable viewing. I don't condone murder per se but the sexual and psychological abuse of Lyle and Erik is shocking. Society in the 80s didn't really understand. I'm not convinced that incarceration was the right decision. Erik and Lyle (and their mother) were victims regardless of the fact that they murdered their parents.
The fact that the judge and prossecution took the steps to block the most important testimony that repeesented the motive as to why this happened,just screams injustice to anyone who isn't biased and is looking at it as 2 rich boys wanting to get away with it. Many have said the same and it is true,if this was the case of the 2 Menendez sisters instead of the 2 Menendez brothers,they would have not been convicted as they were nor would the most crucial evidence and testimony have been blocked from being exposed in court. Because this case involves 2 boys,as it so many times happens even today,the significance and credibility of abuse being involved is tremendously downplayed. We see it all the time,boys who are abused by people who should be protecting them and taking care of them,and majority of the times the penalties are extremely soft against those people. How many cases have we seen of male students being abused by female teachers and the result is 2 years probation? How many times have we seen cases that if the roles were reversed and it involved males acting against females the penalties would be high,but since they are not what ends up happening is that things are downplayed and jokes are made at the expense of a child losing their Innocence far too soon and to the wrong people?
This is a real problem in our society,when it comes to abuse against male victims things are downplayed,credibility is low and sometimes non existent and penalties are too soft against those who commit it.
Release the Menéndez brothers!!!!
girl stfu! they brutally murdered their parents, blowing their faces off, then lied about it, than spent their money like a bunch of spoiled rich kids. Then they laughed about it in court and when they realized that they might be in prison for the rest of their lives they made up a story about SA
I think there has been a miscarriage of "justice", if you can call it that, in this instance.
Im crying please set em free hurting ....i cannot imagine how young they were suffering
They killed their parents in cold blood, so there’s no way they can defend themselves. These two brothers were adults when they murdered their parents. They were free to leave home and could have pressed charges against their parents instead.
Exactly like there are two of them young men and just one elderly man. Just overpower him & run (without murder)
@Antisocialpessimist Jose was not an elderly man, what the hell ? He was 45 when he died ! And he was going strong in business as well as activities. Stop painting a picture that isn't true just to fit your narrative.
@@A.M-b8t he was an easy scrap though. these two grown dorks were maturing faster than you or me. with riches you or me still cant afford 33 years later lmao.
My god let these men out !!!! His parents were sick bastards
How did they not believe them?
Lack of empathy and ignorance. Also, child SA is a very uncomfortable taboo topic and was even more so back in the day.
Didn't they lie in that 911 phone call? Liars.
plagiarism and killing parents is so common.
They killed their parents twice
They belong in prison! It was all about money. The parents didn’t deserve to die in such an inhumane way.
@littlefruitster2667 of course no one deserves to die. But if you abuse a child sexually that will eventually come back and bite ya in the ass. If the parents could have kept their sexual fantasies away from the children maybe the parents would still be alive. And if the pics that were found were found today the brothers would have gotten manslaughter just from the pictures they found of them as children. But the prosecution said "men can't be ra*e cuz they lack the necessary equipment" so that must be true right? So if you belive the prosecution I hope you belive in everything the prosecution says. Which means you don't belive men can be sexually assaulted. Hope you have a fine day with that.
@@littlefruitster2667how it’s all about money if when they killed the parents, one of them called the police because they was taking too long to come?
@@1010zwhat’s that got to do with anything?
They should rot in jail, they are psychopaths
They concocted the sexual abuse as a means for killing their parents. They only told Dr. Oziel about how demanding and physical he was with them. I remember how the bailiff would talk about how the brothers would high-five each other after their testimonies, laughing about how they really fooled them. Sic brothers.
The people that were abused. You didn't go and kill your abuser. Because your a survivor not a murderer.
If Gypsy can be held as a celebrity they should be free as well🤷♂️
@netflix I wish I could afford to watch the new documentary. I hope they are released, they have done more time than some actual pre-meditated murderers already!!
The lover woman who whistle blowed was out of line. At least get all the facts first. Because now look, you just helped to punish victims.