@@zt1053 Yes, but that's 4 seasons where he wasn't a regular - and many shows don't even make it to 3 seasons before getting cancelled. As I vaguely recall, he was a minor recurring character in the beginning (unlike "recurring" characters who are in say, 60~70% of episodes but are not listed as regular cast members). I think his character was only meant to be in a handful of episodes but they liked him so much they extended the run.
Marla Gibbs was smart. She had it written in her contract that if "Checking In" wasn't a hit, she could return to "The Jeffersons". It wasn't and she did, staying with the show for the last four seasons.
Glad to see that Jerry Orbach landed the role of Detective Lenny Briscoe on Law and Order, which gave so many viewers the opportunity to appreciate his talent.
The Ten of Us: the best scene was at the beginning where they enter their new home and Heather Langenkamp describes the house, "Like something out of a Nightmare on Elm Street." (She played the iconic role of Nancy in the original movies).
Besides the MASH spinoff of "AfterMASH' there was "W*A*L*T*E*R" in which (Radar) Gary Burghoff stars as rookie cop Walter O'Reilly. The show only aired once as it was cancelled immediately. Then there was "Trapper John M. D." that show however was quite successful running for seven seasons.
Trapper John MD was good. I also watched the newer show they did like 20 yrs ago. . Where the guy who played the doctor was playing as a Doctor near retirement with his Daughter Erin was working as a doctor with him.
I remember Victoria Jackson doing the exact same bit on SNL she did on the first episode of W*A*L*T*E*R. I watched an episode of Trapper John immediately after I finished M*A*S*H and just had trouble buying that this was supposed to be the same guy.
Trapper John MD was not a spinoff of the TV series MASH. In order to get around paying royalties the creators said it was taken directly from the novel. Technically the two shows are not directly related. MASH was a spinoff from the movie which was an adaptation of the novel. Trapper was an adaptation from the novel.
All the girls in my high school were crazy about Grieco, they thought he was the next Johnny Depp. I was surprised that show fizzed out. VERY Very 1990s!! Damn, the '90s really had a......distinct look.
I must say, I am looking back at these early shows, and being the '80s and '90s, I wish they would return. Things were so much easier and society was together, I guess.
A few bits of trivia: The actress who played Klinger’s wife Soon-Li on “M*A*S*H” and “After Mash” was Rosalind Chao. She would later go on to portray Keiko O’Brien on both “Star Trek: The Next Generation” and “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.” The actor who played Earl on “Flo” was Geoffrey Lewis, the father of actress Juliette Lewis. He also starred in no less than seven films with Clint Eastwood. “Day by Day” featured a pre-“Melrose Place” Courtney Thorne-Smith. “Checking In” co-starred Larry Linville, most famous for his role as Major Burns on “M*A*S*H.” “The Law & Harry McGraw” would not be Jerry Orbach’s last role as a crime solver. He would go on to star for many seasons of “Law & Order.” He was also Baby’s father in “Dirty Dancing.” Orbach was also the original Billy Flynn in “Chicago” on Broadway! You can find his performance of “All I Care About Is Love” on TH-cam and I highly recommend it.
Larry Linville had one other, lesser-known role in Herbie the Love Bug, something I just recently discovered. It was a very short spin-off series from the Love Bug movies with Dean Jones as Jim Douglas....
I was in traction for almost 3 months from a stupid motorcycle accident and in the hospital when "Flo" was airing. I watched the premiere and I was hooked. I enjoy each character and their and Flo's comedic timing. I'm pretty sure I've watched all 29 episodes. Of course, in all fairness, I was on a lot of strong medications during that period of my life. 😮😂
When Polly Holiday left _Alice to star in _Flo_ she was replaced on _Alice_ by Diane Ladd as Belle. Ladd had played Flo in the film _Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore._
I was only a kid at the time, but to me Alice got real boring after Flo left and my family lost interest in watching. I remember my aunt was a huge Flo stan! We tuned it to watch Flo and Mel fight!!!
@@alanvallazza9781 That's very interesting. It explains why Diane Ladd as Belle stayed only during the 1980-1981 season and was later replaced by Celia Weston as Jolene for the remaining 4 seasons of the show.
Yes, the show had absolutely nothing to do with Growing Pains. They introduced him in one episode, just to introduce Just the 10 of us. Definitely not a spin off
@@bobo-kc3iuCoach Lubbock was in 2 season 2 episodes and 3 season 3 episodes (some centred around Mike and others Carol) before the 2-part finale at the end of season 3 that introduced his family and launched the spinoff.
Little more Trivia here - essentially, the 3 you see in AFTERMash (Jamie Farr, William Christopher and Henry Morgan) are the 3 who voted to continue the show after the 11th season, the rest of the cast voted against doing more which is why they got this spin off. If there was a third series there was talks of Alan Alda (Hawkeye) guest starring, shame we didn’t get to see that in the end. I’m a little biased as I’m a huge MASH fan but I really enjoyed watching this spin off, it’s a shame it just didn’t get the viewing figures it needed to continue but I completely understand why.
I actually liked After Mash, though I did not see it tell about 5 to 10 years ago for the first time. It reminded me how hard it was for me to leave the army for civi street back in the early 1990s and still some times have.
Never heard about living Dolls when it came out. But the fact it had 2 iconic TV moms in it surprised me. Michael Learned was the mom on the Waltons and Marion Ross was the mom on Happy Days.
The problem with The Law and Harry McGraw was his hard-boiled detective persona. He was playing like it was the 1950s and I really couldn't take that. I had hopes because I liked Murder, She Wrote.
Just the Ten of Us, I remember that show! I was a huge fan of Growing Pains and followed the spin-off. It was short lived but as I remember it was funny in a cheesy 80's family sitcom sort of way.
I LOVED Just the Ten of Us as a kid! I recognized the girl from Nigtmare on Elm Street because I had seen just the ten of us first. I didn't realize it was only on for 3 seasons. BUT ALSO...coach dad being "fired from his high school coaching job after a run-in with a female student" definitely should not have been used as the plot kick-off for a family comedy. The 80s, man....
Booker was an awesome spinoff! It was cool when Booker had a 2part crossover episode with 21 Jumpstreet when he united with the old 21Jumpstreet to get Tom Hanson out of prison for a murder he never committed! Booker should've lasted longer!
That was episode 1 of Season 4 of 21 Jumpstreet. The one where he Reunited with some of them was the 2 part ( started on Booker and ended on 21 Jumpstreet) where the Jump street Guys Minus Hanson cause he'd be recognized join a moter bike group to take down the guy who was one of the main reasons Hanson ended up in Jail it was Episode 1 of season 8 of Booker Deals and Wheels and season 4 epsidoe 10 of Jump street 😮 Wheels and Deals pr 2
Yeah I loved the show 21 Jump Street and Booker as well. I wish Booker would have lasted longer but like someone else said on here some of the story lines were pretty bad. And Richard Grieco did not have a freaking mullet, he just had REALLY big, great hair... with a ton of product in it!
I watched and enjoyed Booker back in the day! One note, though... I don't think Booker ever sported a mullet (as mentioned in this video). Grieco had a lot of hair up top at the time, but never the "party in the back" that would make it a mullet.
She was now married to Michael Adler and has now been part of the Birch, Adler and Wexler families - Patricia Birch, Lou Adler, Page Hannah Adler, Gale Adler, Howard Adler, Haskell Wexler, Rita Taggart Wexler and Jeff Wexler.
@@tonyborelli. Somebody else told me that. I very specifically remember some news show of the I believe it was ET Tonight with John Tesh? Interviewing Richard Grecco he said they showed Billy Idol the pilot he loved it and wrote the song. I know you're right I'm now certain Richard Grecco was lying. I've been searching for the interview with no luck. yet. I'll send you a link if I find it.
@@rang123yea5 for some reason, my mind links music & time very well. i knew billy idol burst onto the scene when i was in middle school. Fox didnt exist yet!
Great subject here. Thanks for explaining the 'back-story' on these shows. After MASH and Flow were well written gems. Hope you do more of these :) 📺 Have subscribed ☑
There was a 70s pilot episode on Welcome Back Kotter which would have been an amazing spin-off for Lawrence Hilton Jacobs and George Carlin and Fred Grandy, which took place inna radio station. It preceded WKRP in Cincinnati. Ahead of it's time, I suppose.
Damn, that sounds like a helleva cast!??!! George Carlin? They probably conflicted with the corporate suits at the time. Carlin was the edgiest comedian at that time and I'm sure he would have wanted to push boundaries on that show. They probably toned it down and created what would become WKRP in Cincinnati.
@@keithfulkersonThey had another episode which was about Horshack and his relatives, which was planned to be a back-door pilot for an Arnold Horshack series.
There was also Three's Company spin-off "The Ropers", especially midway through Season 2 when Louise Vallance joined the cast as Jenny Ballinger. Despite a late upward surge in the ratings, the show would ultimately be cancelled by ABC. She would go on to play Whazzat Kangaroo on "Zoobilee Zoo" and lend her voice to hundreds of cartoon shows since then.
@@evelynbeveraggi8724 All three shows were based on British sitcoms that came out earlier. Three's Company was based on Man About the House, The Ropers was based on George and Mildred, and Three's a Crowd was based on Robin's Nest.
Enos is the first spinoff i remember ever being aware of when i was a kid and i was really excited for it, i remember watching the premier and liking it but after that i only remember seeing a few more episodes and it was gone. i had the same feelings as you about MASH, my Father LOVED it and always watched it and i thought it was boring as hell and always left the room. as a kid i never even realized it was about Korea "which my Father served in" and i had always assumed it was about Vietnam. i never even knew there was a spinoff. i was a huge 21 Jumpstreet fan in high school and Booker was another show i did like and then it was gone. i LOVED Alice as well, i was growing up in Oklahoma and as a kid and my father worked at a Truck Stop out in the country beside the highway and i grew up around that place. i even got to meet George "Goober" Lindsay who is in that Flo clip there once when i was a kid, but that show always had an extra special place for me because the characters really reminded me of the people i grew up around who worked at and hung out at the Truck Stop. Flo is another one i remember but it just vanished so fast.
17:52 I totally remember this (vaguely). Wasn’t the guy who played Greg in the Brady Bunch movie (95) have a dream episode where’s he’s the 4th Brady brother?
12:13 I actually remember this episode. Since they had been using the toilets for years already, they got to keep using them legally without having to pay. They had "squatter's rights".
Just The Ten of Us was also notable in featuring three actress alumni from the Nightmare On Elm Street franchise - Heather Langenkamp, Brooke Thiess, & JoAnn Willette.
Sonny (Enos) one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. He was the same on tv as real life. He signed an autograph for me and told me part of his life story as if I were family.
I remember my favorite line from the law, and Harry McGraw was when he asked the lady lawyer to have his prescription filled, and she looked at the label, then stated you're supposed to take 1 pill every 10 hours, and his retort was "I thought it said to take 10 pills every 1 hour, no wonder I'm feeling so good". That was classic.
I barely remember the show Alicia, but I remember Flo. I loved her. Watched reruns at my babysitter. I liked Just the 10 of us. Most of the other shows didn't register my memory.
I reached a point where I never started watching a show until its second season. Inevitably any show I liked during the new season would go off the air after a few shows. Must have been my bad taste as a kid. Saturday morning cartoons were more reliable. But this is a fun video. 👍👍👍👍
Yeah, I was always diametrically opposed to the critics! If they said a show, or movie was crap, it turned out to be one of my favorites! And, when they said one was soooooooo good, well, the show generally had me puking by the second scene, and never got any better...
But this one won’t last long because of its controversy and everything else. Since June 18, 1985, the cult television miniseries was developed and produced by ELP Communications has been now finally folded into Columbia Pictures Television Distribution under Sony Pictures Entertainment through TeleVentures for syndication such as CTV.
I believe if After/Mash had taken place on a military base hospital the show had gone on longer, we Mash fans were used to seeing our beloved characters in a military surrounding and in uniform....
I don't think so. The problem with AFTERMash is that is lacked the primary characters MASH fans wanted to see - Hawkeye, BJ, Hot Lips. Klinger was a supporting character and nobody wanted to see the priest get his own show.
@@radrobd123 I think by then those actors playing Hawkeye, etc were big name movie stars acting in films. They couldn't afford them. Frankly, I'm surprised Jamie Farr didn't do more film roles. He was a breakout on that show.
I agree. AfterMASH should have taken place at a military hospital during wartime...with Potter as a Colonel...Klinger as a Corporal...and Father Mulcahy as...well...a priest. Add a couple of sardonic surgeons and you might have a hit show! I'd watch that...
Neither Mash nor its TV sequel here ever mentioned Kim ll Sung. The North Korean mass-murderer/communist/leader who totally started the entire Korean War.
Enos was not a “recurring” character in the Dukes of Hazzard, and Carla was not a recurring character in Cheers. Recurring characters appear sporadically, and don’t have their names in the opening credits. Nick Tortelli was a recurring character on Cheers. Carla was a supporting character.
I'm not even sure I'd call Carla "supporting". She was in EVERY episode of the series and there were stories specifically about her and her family. Yes, Ted and Shelley were the "stars" (Kirstie never quite got up to Shelley's level...) but that was truly the essence of an "ensemble" show at its best. That's what made it work!
Sonny Shroyer wasn't in the opening credits....he was usually listed as "WITH..." POST-theme song when the episode proper began...oddly enough, he was often listed AFTER "Ben Jones as Cooter"....Poor Sonny...
I loved J"ust the Ten of Us." And I sometimes wondered if I had imagined the existence of "Living Dolls" (though for some reason i thought it was called "Models, Inc."--eh, kid memory). Leah Remini's character was the one that stuck in my memory.
Michael Learned wasn’t REALLY Samantha Micelli’s mother. Her father Tony was a widower in the series “Who’s the Boss?” Michael Learned’s character was a “house mother” for the models, I think?
Enos and Flo are prime examples of popular characters in shows that just aren't strong enough to carry a series Good when interacting with the other cast but take that away not enough 😊
Flo did well in the first season. Polly Holiday earned an Emmy nomination. In the 2nd season, CBS moved the series to a different time slot, which caused the decline in ratings
They put Marla Gibbs' (Florence) snappy character in a show surrounded by lame, bland characters that she could not bounce off. Like later in 227, Marla is better sparring with other witty, punchy, smart aleck, and (honestly) BLACK characters. WTH? Maybe they were trying to create another Benson?
Just the 10 of us was canceled because Miller-Boyett productions Who were dominating the sitcoms on ABC were promised a slot for one of their new shows on TGIF night. ABC did not have any other time slots to put just the 10 of us on for another season and that’s why the shows was canceled.
I loved Living Dolls and Just the ten of us. Fun fact about Just the ten of us, Bill Medley, of the righteous brothers and singer of (I've had) the time of my life from Dirty Dancing sang the theme song. I also caught a glimps of Double Trouble at the beginning....i would love more discussions of that show!!! I loved that show soooo much.
Just the Ten of Us is literally the only one of these shows that I knew of which is odd because I was super into Dukes of Hazzard and Cheers. I wouldn’t put Just the Ten of Us in the failed category.
Do one for Failed 90s spinoffs. I def think Models Inc was the 90s Living Dolls. Glad to see Just the ten of us got 3 seasons. That needs to be on Blu Ray
Shows about models don't do well. In the 1980s, there was the soap Paper Dolls and the sitcom Living Dolls, both cancelled after 1/2 season. In the 90s, there was Models Inc., cancelled after one season. In the 2000s, there was The Beautiful Life: TBL, cancelled after a few episodes.
I'm so glad to see "Just the Ten of Us" had ran for 3 seasons on ABC (1988-1990) and move to the USA Network which ran for a total of 15 seasons (1990-2005). Not bad.
Both television legends Norman Lear and Aaron Spelling were hitting big time with their long running shows: Beakman’s World, Years Later, The Upper Hand, Mad About You, The Nanny, Dragon Tales, Malcolm & Eddie, Judge Judy, Moesha, Judge Joe Brown, Sunset Beach, 7th Heaven, Charmed, The Parkers, 90210 and Dynasty.
I loved Enos. And I also loved how in the Dukes of Hazzard reunion movie they acknowledged it by making Enos a badass, as he was in his own show, and not the doofus he was in Hazzard.
I remember in the first episode of Enos he has a suspect in the backseat of his Chevelle getting the ride of his life when Enos gets close to going over a cliff when Enos tellhim he'd rather go back to Hazzard dead then shamed.
I always feel bad for the struggles unknown actors hired for supporting roles. They get the gig, get their hopes up and it bombs. Obviously it workout well for some of them and it’s cool to see where their journey started. It’s a gamble especially a cash grab spinoff which reeks desperation. I’m sure they asked Johnny Depp first before Richard Greco and he turned it down.. smart move
Yes, it sadly but so also goes without saying that it's too bad when certain spinoffs don't do as well as their forerunners.Maybe just maybe Frasier was the only one to do as well as its forerunner of Cheers.
It really makes you wonder why they weren't a big hit when you see such an all-star cast. Like Living Dolls had so many famous actresses and upcoming actresses.
That was a big thing in the 70's and 80's especially on sitcoms. A very popular character would be spun off into his/her own show. Most of the time it didn't work out but there were some very successful exceptions. Frasier for example.
You missed that both Empty Nest and The Golden Palace was a spin off of golden girls - although since you specified 80s I think Golden Palace was 90s, but Empty nest should have counted.
I love your videos. "Enos" may have faired better as a 30 minute sitcom. The one hour police procedural didn't fit with that character. Michael Learned had said if the show lasted she would have been fired and replaced with Marion Ross. She said they wanted her to be Charlotte Rae not the Eileen Ford type she played the character as. CBS later had Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore shows follow each other. "The Van Dyke Show" aired before "Annie Maguire" in the late 80s.
That was an odd choice. Few dramas have spun off of sitcoms (Lou Grant, anyone??) especially with such a silly character like Enos... It was always going to be a tough sell. Imagine Gomer Pyle going to the big city and becoming a teacher...or a lawyer...
@@bradyguy7701 in a lter episode they did give the mash number and it was 4077 go for teh mash which wasn't the numnber for the movie so they lied in court. The Movie was 8055. So sing the TV show mash number was proof they lied.
I wonder why I don't remember seeing any promotions for the show because I would have watched After Mash if I had known about it since I loved Mash and all the characters.
Carla wasn't a "recurring" character on _Cheers._ She was a regular. One of only four characters who was in every episode.
Exactly! It was Frazier who was a recurring character on Cheers.
WoW
I was about to point this out as well.
@@SY-ok2dq He started out recurring, but by season five he was a regular cast member
@@zt1053 Yes, but that's 4 seasons where he wasn't a regular - and many shows don't even make it to 3 seasons before getting cancelled. As I vaguely recall, he was a minor recurring character in the beginning (unlike "recurring" characters who are in say, 60~70% of episodes but are not listed as regular cast members). I think his character was only meant to be in a handful of episodes but they liked him so much they extended the run.
@@SY-ok2dq his character was big because he was Sam’s rival for Dianne. I think many viewers sympathized with him when Diane left him at the alter
Marla Gibbs was smart. She had it written in her contract that if "Checking In" wasn't a hit, she could return to "The Jeffersons". It wasn't and she did, staying with the show for the last four seasons.
Glad to see that Jerry Orbach landed the role of Detective Lenny Briscoe on Law and Order, which gave so many viewers the opportunity to appreciate his talent.
He was the absolute best ♥️
We loved Harry after staggering home from the pub at midnight. Had no idea it was a spin-off.
He voiced cartoon characters in commercials, and most people had no idea that he did and he didn't talk about it.
He played a villain on the movie F/X
Lenny was my favorite character.
The Ten of Us: the best scene was at the beginning where they enter their new home and Heather Langenkamp describes the house, "Like something out of a Nightmare on Elm Street." (She played the iconic role of Nancy in the original movies).
She was hot.
The ORIGIONAL Freddy Scream Queen she was so pretty.
I loved "Just the ten of us"❤. I even loved the backdoor pilot on "Growing pains".
Besides the MASH spinoff of "AfterMASH' there was "W*A*L*T*E*R" in which (Radar) Gary Burghoff stars as rookie cop Walter O'Reilly. The show only aired once as it was cancelled immediately. Then there was "Trapper John M. D." that show however was quite successful running for seven seasons.
Trapper John MD was good.
I also watched the newer show they did like 20 yrs ago. .
Where the guy who played the doctor was playing as a Doctor near retirement with his Daughter Erin was working as a doctor with him.
I remember Victoria Jackson doing the exact same bit on SNL she did on the first episode of W*A*L*T*E*R.
I watched an episode of Trapper John immediately after I finished M*A*S*H and just had trouble buying that this was supposed to be the same guy.
Trapper John MD was not a spinoff of the TV series MASH.
In order to get around paying royalties the creators said it was taken directly from the novel.
Technically the two shows are not directly related. MASH was a spinoff from the movie which was an adaptation of the novel. Trapper was an adaptation from the novel.
Everyone forgets Trapper John because it starred Pernell Roberts not Wayne Rogers
Walter was not canceled after one show. The network hated the pilot so they canceled it. Ran it once to fill time.
Wouldn’t say Booker’s hair was a mullet. Great video! 😊
Lol, definitely not a mullet. Actually quite short at the back (a mullet would be long), and long on top….actually the exact opposite of a mullet.
Grieco definitely did not sport a mullet in either 21 Jump Street or Booker
I'm not alone! This beautiful head of hair is totally not a mullet.
All the girls in my high school were crazy about Grieco, they thought he was the next Johnny Depp. I was surprised that show fizzed out. VERY Very 1990s!! Damn, the '90s really had a......distinct look.
Booker was cool! If i learned one lesson in life...Say No to Drugs! Greico really had the looks and threw it all away!
I loved Just the Ten of Us. It was a great show.
Yes
Agreed. Way better than it's parent show
Better than Growing Pains,for sure!
He didn't leave the school because a run with a girl, it was he didn't get paid enough?
I liked it to. Came on TGIF right?
Just the Ten of us was a big part of my sitcom viewing. Really enjoyed it.
I must say, I am looking back at these early shows, and being the '80s and '90s, I wish they would return. Things were so much easier and society was together, I guess.
A few bits of trivia:
The actress who played Klinger’s wife Soon-Li on “M*A*S*H” and “After Mash” was Rosalind Chao. She would later go on to portray Keiko O’Brien on both “Star Trek: The Next Generation” and “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.”
The actor who played Earl on “Flo” was Geoffrey Lewis, the father of actress Juliette Lewis. He also starred in no less than seven films with Clint Eastwood.
“Day by Day” featured a pre-“Melrose Place” Courtney Thorne-Smith.
“Checking In” co-starred Larry Linville, most famous for his role as Major Burns on “M*A*S*H.”
“The Law & Harry McGraw” would not be Jerry Orbach’s last role as a crime solver. He would go on to star for many seasons of “Law & Order.” He was also Baby’s father in “Dirty Dancing.” Orbach was also the original Billy Flynn in “Chicago” on Broadway! You can find his performance of “All I Care About Is Love” on TH-cam and I highly recommend it.
Larry Linville was once the son-in-law of actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa Walton on The Waltons.
…no mention of his role as Lumierre in Beauty and the Beast?
I KNEW I recognized Klinger's wife in those clips.... Thanks!
Don't forget he was the voice of Lumier in Disney's animated Beauty and the Beast
Larry Linville had one other, lesser-known role in Herbie the Love Bug, something I just recently discovered. It was a very short spin-off series from the Love Bug movies with Dean Jones as Jim Douglas....
Booker was AWESOME! It also included early roles for Lori Petty, Don Cheadle, Maura Tierney, and Mariska Hargitay, to name a few :)
NGL, he lost me during this shows description. Booker NEVER had a mullet. Penhall absolutely had a mullet.
I enjoyed Booker too!! 😁🙌
@@melcraig9855 I have it on DVD :)
@@jagjr44 that’s awesome 😁🙌
Booker should of got at least 2 more seasons... good job FOX 🙄😑
Great video, one thing Michael Learned was friends with Judith Light's character: Angela Bower
Samantha "Micelli's" mom wasn't alive.
Thank you, I was going to say this! And Leah's character Charlie was Samantha's friend from Brooklyn. I was obsessed with Living Dolls when it was on!
That's what I thought
Yes! Came looking for this ocmment.
I was hoping someone else caught it.
Yeah it was weird for him to say it was her mom. He even called her Minelli, not Micelli.
I was in traction for almost 3 months from a stupid motorcycle accident and in the hospital when "Flo" was airing. I watched the premiere and I was hooked. I enjoy each character and their and Flo's comedic timing. I'm pretty sure I've watched all 29 episodes. Of course, in all fairness, I was on a lot of strong medications during that period of my life. 😮😂
You were lucky. Following back surgery I was stuck in bed, and the only thing on TV was the OJ Simpson trial.
I use to love Mel’s Diner and Flo saying kiss my grits…..damn the world was so much more fun back then.
When Polly Holiday left _Alice to star in _Flo_ she was replaced on _Alice_ by Diane Ladd as Belle. Ladd had played Flo in the film _Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore._
Good trivia call. Polly Holliday as
Flo received EMMY nominations
while Diane Ladd earned an OSCAR nomination for portraying her.
Diane didn't get along with Linda Lavin and quit after one season. Celia Watson replaced for the remainder of the series.
I was only a kid at the time, but to me Alice got real boring after Flo left and my family lost interest in watching. I remember my aunt was a huge Flo stan! We tuned it to watch Flo and Mel fight!!!
@@alanvallazza9781 That's very interesting. It explains why Diane Ladd as Belle stayed only during the 1980-1981 season and was later replaced by Celia Weston as Jolene for the remaining 4 seasons of the show.
I hated Enos but liked flo. I stopped watching the show after she left.
The coach in Growing Pains wasn’t a friend of the Seavers. He was a teacher/coach at Mike and Carol’s high school.
And supposedly lost his job “because of a run in with a female student”…. ????? 😮. 🤔
Yes, the show had absolutely nothing to do with Growing Pains. They introduced him in one episode, just to introduce Just the 10 of us. Definitely not a spin off
@bobo-kc3iu that was a soft pilot so it links to the Seavers
@@bobo-kc3iuCoach Lubbock was in 2 season 2 episodes and 3 season 3 episodes (some centred around Mike and others Carol) before the 2-part finale at the end of season 3 that introduced his family and launched the spinoff.
I will always love mash, was a kid and was a great time watching with my grandma.
I was a kid and loved MASH. Different generations and we from the same era.
Little more Trivia here - essentially, the 3 you see in AFTERMash (Jamie Farr, William Christopher and Henry Morgan) are the 3 who voted to continue the show after the 11th season, the rest of the cast voted against doing more which is why they got this spin off. If there was a third series there was talks of Alan Alda (Hawkeye) guest starring, shame we didn’t get to see that in the end. I’m a little biased as I’m a huge MASH fan but I really enjoyed watching this spin off, it’s a shame it just didn’t get the viewing figures it needed to continue but I completely understand why.
Yes, I liked it.
You unlock a memory with Just the 10 of us. I really enjoyed that show when it aired.
I actually liked After Mash, though I did not see it tell about 5 to 10 years ago for the first time. It reminded me how hard it was for me to leave the army for civi street back in the early 1990s and still some times have.
I can 100% relate to being a kid and immediately changing the channel as soon as the M.A.S.H. music came on. 🤣
Never heard about living Dolls when it came out. But the fact it had 2 iconic TV moms in it surprised me. Michael Learned was the mom on the Waltons and Marion Ross was the mom on Happy Days.
The problem with The Law and Harry McGraw was his hard-boiled detective persona. He was playing like it was the 1950s and I really couldn't take that. I had hopes because I liked Murder, She Wrote.
I never understood mash when I was a kid, but watching it as an adult, it was great. There were some really bittersweet, amazing episodes.
Yep. Huge fan of it since I was in my late 20s or so.
Thought it was boring as sin when I was a kid.
Just the Ten of Us, I remember that show! I was a huge fan of Growing Pains and followed the spin-off. It was short lived but as I remember it was funny in a cheesy 80's family sitcom sort of way.
I LOVED Just the Ten of Us as a kid! I recognized the girl from Nigtmare on Elm Street because I had seen just the ten of us first. I didn't realize it was only on for 3 seasons.
BUT ALSO...coach dad being "fired from his high school coaching job after a run-in with a female student" definitely should not have been used as the plot kick-off for a family comedy. The 80s, man....
Never knew heather langenkamp was in just the 10 of us. So THAT'S what she did after the Freddy movies!
Just The Ten of Us was a well liked show in my family. One of the few shows we all would watch together.
Booker was an awesome spinoff! It was cool when Booker had a 2part crossover episode with 21 Jumpstreet when he united with the old 21Jumpstreet to get Tom Hanson out of prison for a murder he never committed! Booker should've lasted longer!
The storylines were awful. Glad you enjoyed it though.
That was episode 1 of Season 4 of 21 Jumpstreet. The one where he Reunited with some of them was the 2 part ( started on Booker and ended on 21 Jumpstreet) where the Jump street Guys Minus Hanson cause he'd be recognized join a moter bike group to take down the guy who was one of the main reasons Hanson ended up in Jail it was Episode 1 of season 8 of Booker Deals and Wheels and season 4 epsidoe 10 of Jump street 😮 Wheels and Deals pr 2
Yeah I loved the show 21 Jump Street and Booker as well. I wish Booker would have lasted longer but like someone else said on here some of the story lines were pretty bad. And Richard Grieco did not have a freaking mullet, he just had REALLY big, great hair... with a ton of product in it!
I always wondered why Richard never really took off in Hollywood like Johnny did he was talented and very handsome in his prime much like Depp was
Booker was awesome. I actually liked it better than 21 Jump Street (and I loved Jump street!). Richard Grieco was so gorgeous back then.
His skin looked like it didn't have any pores at all, smooth as porcelain.
I watched and enjoyed Booker back in the day! One note, though... I don't think Booker ever sported a mullet (as mentioned in this video). Grieco had a lot of hair up top at the time, but never the "party in the back" that would make it a mullet.
@@gaspikefan definately not a mullet….and as a Canadian with a hockey player older brother, I know full well what a mullet looks like😂
😂 I used to change the channel when I heard that mash music as a kid, too. 19:33 Thora Birch!
I thought that was her too! Since I knew that she worked a lot as a child on films and TV, I thought it could be her.
She was now married to Michael Adler and has now been part of the Birch, Adler and Wexler families - Patricia Birch, Lou Adler,
Page Hannah Adler, Gale Adler, Howard Adler, Haskell Wexler, Rita Taggart Wexler and Jeff Wexler.
The Booker theme song "Hot in the City" was written by Billy Idol for the show, and it was awesome.
I didn't know that!
@@rang123yea5 totally false. the song is from 1982, the show: 1989
@@tonyborelli. Somebody else told me that. I very specifically remember some news show of the I believe it was ET Tonight with John Tesh? Interviewing Richard Grecco he said they showed Billy Idol the pilot he loved it and wrote the song. I know you're right I'm now certain Richard Grecco was lying. I've been searching for the interview with no luck. yet. I'll send you a link if I find it.
@@rang123yea5 for some reason, my mind links music & time very well. i knew billy idol burst onto the scene when i was in middle school. Fox didnt exist yet!
Great subject here. Thanks for explaining the 'back-story' on these shows. After MASH and Flow were well written gems. Hope you do more of these :) 📺 Have subscribed ☑
I loved MASH as a child. And Trapper John MD
There was a 70s pilot episode on Welcome Back Kotter which would have been an amazing spin-off for Lawrence Hilton Jacobs and George Carlin and Fred Grandy, which took place inna radio station. It preceded WKRP in Cincinnati. Ahead of it's time, I suppose.
Damn, that sounds like a helleva cast!??!! George Carlin? They probably conflicted with the corporate suits at the time. Carlin was the edgiest comedian at that time and I'm sure he would have wanted to push boundaries on that show. They probably toned it down and created what would become WKRP in Cincinnati.
@@juniorjames7076 yeah, George was a master at stand up. He's like the Shake a Spear of comedy
I thought that was just an episode of Kotter. That would have been a great show.
@@justken1900 there's a term, "backdoor pilot", that refers to having an episode of a show serve as a pilot for another show.
@@keithfulkersonThey had another episode which was about Horshack and his relatives, which was planned to be a back-door pilot for an Arnold Horshack series.
There was also Three's Company spin-off "The Ropers", especially midway through Season 2 when Louise Vallance joined the cast as Jenny Ballinger. Despite a late upward surge in the ratings, the show would ultimately be cancelled by ABC. She would go on to play Whazzat Kangaroo on "Zoobilee Zoo" and lend her voice to hundreds of cartoon shows since then.
It wasn't a good spin- off, & neither was Threes a crowd, with just John Ritter. Three company was the best, with the Ropers, & my favorite Mr. Furly.
@@evelynbeveraggi8724 All three shows were based on British sitcoms that came out earlier. Three's Company was based on Man About the House, The Ropers was based on George and Mildred, and Three's a Crowd was based on Robin's Nest.
Enos is the first spinoff i remember ever being aware of when i was a kid and i was really excited for it, i remember watching the premier and liking it but after that i only remember seeing a few more episodes and it was gone.
i had the same feelings as you about MASH, my Father LOVED it and always watched it and i thought it was boring as hell and always left the room. as a kid i never even realized it was about Korea "which my Father served in" and i had always assumed it was about Vietnam. i never even knew there was a spinoff.
i was a huge 21 Jumpstreet fan in high school and Booker was another show i did like and then it was gone.
i LOVED Alice as well, i was growing up in Oklahoma and as a kid and my father worked at a Truck Stop out in the country beside the highway and i grew up around that place. i even got to meet George "Goober" Lindsay who is in that Flo clip there once when i was a kid, but that show always had an extra special place for me because the characters really reminded me of the people i grew up around who worked at and hung out at the Truck Stop. Flo is another one i remember but it just vanished so fast.
I remember watching Just the 10 of us, and never knew it was a spinoff
i wanted a after mash more like a hour long tv special showing how they all went home and reunited with loved ones,
An hour of Col Potter would be unbearable.
Booker was awesome. Great intro song: Hot in the City by Billy Idol.
I loved Just the ten of us! That was a great show!
seeing the name at first i though maybe it was a spin off of 8 is enough
Over my dead body!
17:52 I totally remember this (vaguely).
Wasn’t the guy who played Greg in the Brady Bunch movie (95) have a dream episode where’s he’s the 4th Brady brother?
i LOVE LOVE LOVED the show ENOS. I wish it was full seasoned and more of it
12:13 I actually remember this episode. Since they had been using the toilets for years already, they got to keep using them legally without having to pay. They had "squatter's rights".
I have not thought of some of these shows in years! Thank you for the format of this channel!
As a kid, M*A*S*H was one of my favorite shows and still is today. It struck a good balance of comedy and drama.
Just The Ten of Us was also notable in featuring three actress alumni from the Nightmare On Elm Street franchise - Heather Langenkamp, Brooke Thiess, & JoAnn Willette.
Cute show, spin- off from my favorite, growing pains.
When was Joann an Nightmare on Elm Street?
Michelle Pfeiffer LOL I remember Enos, I never watched it but I saw it on the Tv Guide
I loved Just The Ten of Us. Joann Willette was my huge crush.
The mascot for St. Augustine's was the Hippos. That's a clever joke that not many people would catch.
Good one! Too subtle for most people especially non-Catholics.
Sonny (Enos) one of the nicest guys you would ever meet. He was the same on tv as real life. He signed an autograph for me and told me part of his life story as if I were family.
It's hard to believe that he is dead.
You're right he is. I met his mama. She loved to talk
I remember my favorite line from the law, and Harry McGraw was when he asked the lady lawyer to have his prescription filled, and she looked at the label, then stated you're supposed to take 1 pill every 10 hours, and his retort was "I thought it said to take 10 pills every 1 hour, no wonder I'm feeling so good". That was classic.
Wow I never heard of AfterMash. Really enjoyed this video 👍 my favorite spin off was Soap. Loved that show. 😊
Oooh new Retro Renaissance, what a treat! Thanks for sharing your time with us!
I barely remember the show Alicia, but I remember Flo. I loved her. Watched reruns at my babysitter. I liked Just the 10 of us. Most of the other shows didn't register my memory.
I reached a point where I never started watching a show until its second season. Inevitably any show I liked during the new season would go off the air after a few shows. Must have been my bad taste as a kid. Saturday morning cartoons were more reliable. But this is a fun video. 👍👍👍👍
Yeah, I was always diametrically opposed to the critics! If they said a show, or movie was crap, it turned out to be one of my favorites! And, when they said one was soooooooo good, well, the show generally had me puking by the second scene, and never got any better...
I get what you are saying, most of my high school classmates loved Square Pegs and all of a sudden it was off the air.
But this one won’t last long because of its controversy
and everything else.
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I remember some of these .. just the 10 was good. I remember Flo. And the tortellas too
Marion Ross was such a great 'mother' actress that no show wanted to change her name. :)
Just the ten of us, girl with the glasses, was Nancy I Nightmare on Elm St
AfterMash was a success in its first season ,until CBS moved it to Tuesday nights opposite The A Team, which killed it in ratings.
MASH was one of the greatest tv shows ever.
100%
I totally agree.
I watched it with my grandmother. I didn't get it then but appreciate it now. First, drama/comedy combination
I believe if After/Mash had taken place on a military base hospital the show had gone on longer, we Mash fans were used to seeing our beloved characters in a military surrounding and in uniform....
I don't think so. The problem with AFTERMash is that is lacked the primary characters MASH fans wanted to see - Hawkeye, BJ, Hot Lips. Klinger was a supporting character and nobody wanted to see the priest get his own show.
@@radrobd123 I think by then those actors playing Hawkeye, etc were big name movie stars acting in films. They couldn't afford them. Frankly, I'm surprised Jamie Farr didn't do more film roles. He was a breakout on that show.
I agree. AfterMASH should have taken place at a military hospital during wartime...with Potter as a Colonel...Klinger as a Corporal...and Father Mulcahy as...well...a priest.
Add a couple of sardonic surgeons and you might have a hit show! I'd watch that...
You may be right, Chand. The switch to civilian threads and settings wrecked the characters.
Neither Mash nor its TV sequel here ever mentioned Kim ll Sung. The North Korean mass-murderer/communist/leader who totally started the entire Korean War.
Enos was not a “recurring” character in the Dukes of Hazzard, and Carla was not a recurring character in Cheers.
Recurring characters appear sporadically, and don’t have their names in the opening credits.
Nick Tortelli was a recurring character on Cheers. Carla was a supporting character.
I'm not even sure I'd call Carla "supporting". She was in EVERY episode of the series and there were stories specifically about her and her family. Yes, Ted and Shelley were the "stars" (Kirstie never quite got up to Shelley's level...) but that was truly the essence of an "ensemble" show at its best. That's what made it work!
Sonny Shroyer wasn't in the opening credits....he was usually listed as "WITH..." POST-theme song when the episode proper began...oddly enough, he was often listed AFTER "Ben Jones as Cooter"....Poor Sonny...
I only had a chance to see just a few of After Mash episodes but loved each one.
After MASH lasted for two seasons between September 1983 and December 1984 on CBS.
100% agree, I almost watched everyone of these. Thank you for this
Thank you for reminding me about Just The Ten Of US. I loved that show when I was a teen and was disappointed when it was canceled.
Michael Learned wasn't Samantha's mom in Whos the Boss/Living Dolls. I think she was friend of the future step-mother Angela.
The characters name was Trish, she and Angela were sorority sisters in college. Leah Remini’s character was a friend of Samantha’s back in Brooklyn.
This guy really didn't do his research.
I loved J"ust the Ten of Us." And I sometimes wondered if I had imagined the existence of "Living Dolls" (though for some reason i thought it was called "Models, Inc."--eh, kid memory). Leah Remini's character was the one that stuck in my memory.
"Models Inc" was a different show.
It was a spin off of "Melrose Place", which itself was a spin-off of "Beverly Hills 90210".
Remember watching Just the 10 Of Us and Booker … I did enjoy those two.
I watched "Booker" as I was a Richard Grieco fan. I also liked "Just The Ten Of Us" & "Living Dolls".
Me too. I also liked Day by Day.
Glad you mentioned Just the Ten of Us, which has been rediscovered on here by Retrofat Channel.
Just the ten of us was a fantastic show that I remember from my childhood fondly
I liked Mash and After Mash.
I liked seeing how they adjusted to civilian life
Just the 10 of us and Checking in should have gotten a chance
"Excuse me, Flo? *laughs hysterically*" - Lloyd Christmas
Michael Learned wasn’t REALLY Samantha Micelli’s mother. Her father Tony was a widower in the series “Who’s the Boss?” Michael Learned’s character was a “house mother” for the models, I think?
Michael Learned's character was a college friend of Angela's, I believe.
@@CrookedIproductionsYes you are exactly right 👍
Enos and Flo are prime examples of popular characters in shows that just aren't strong enough to carry a series Good when interacting with the other cast but take that away not enough 😊
Not everyone is George & Weezy, I’m afraid.
Enos wasn't funny on his own.
Flo did well in the first season. Polly Holiday earned an Emmy nomination.
In the 2nd season, CBS moved the series to a different time slot, which caused the decline in ratings
They put Marla Gibbs' (Florence) snappy character in a show surrounded by lame, bland characters that she could not bounce off. Like later in 227, Marla is better sparring with other witty, punchy, smart aleck, and (honestly) BLACK characters. WTH? Maybe they were trying to create another Benson?
"Joey" is another example of this.
Just the 10 of us was canceled because Miller-Boyett productions Who were dominating the sitcoms on ABC were promised a slot for one of their new shows on TGIF night. ABC did not have any other time slots to put just the 10 of us on for another season and that’s why the shows was canceled.
they regretted it too, the replacements were huge flops
You are correct, the tv series was called Going Places with Heather Locklear and Allen Ruck.
@@matthewtramp1148 there was another IIRC, either of which doomed the show…but that one in particular was the one that took its slot.
Wow I forgot about Miller-Boyett
@@glam2gobeauty811 They filled the gap that Norman Lear did at CBS.
Booker was on at 10pm Sundays. Not a good bedtime for the teens and college kids.
I think they switched him to mondays but I’m not sure . But I did like his show along with Sunday nights PARKER LEWIS CANT LOSE !
I loved Living Dolls and Just the ten of us. Fun fact about Just the ten of us, Bill Medley, of the righteous brothers and singer of (I've had) the time of my life from Dirty Dancing sang the theme song. I also caught a glimps of Double Trouble at the beginning....i would love more discussions of that show!!! I loved that show soooo much.
Yes I love Double Trouble. Too bad the twins didn't have a career like their sister (Peggy on Married with Children).
@@monicam1548 ♥️♥️♥️♥️🤣🤣🤣 I know!!!! That would have been so cool.
Double Trouble had a pre "Home Improvement" Patricia Richardson being a potential love interest for the dad
@RCHMNY1 I know, she worked at the dance studio and was friends with his wife before she died.
@@markelijio6012 "were now acted as TV directors." Yikes. Is that sentence?? I need a nap...
Very interesting. I really love those opening credits sequences.
Just the Ten of Us is literally the only one of these shows that I knew of which is odd because I was super into Dukes of Hazzard and Cheers. I wouldn’t put Just the Ten of Us in the failed category.
Three seasons is a pretty decent run.
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 Technically TWO...but who's counting. Not you....🙄🙄
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 As a real result, I believe in you. A year later, the series has aired on the USA Network
from Fall 1990 to Spring 2005.
@@bradyguy7701 Have you ever take your vacation while you're away, sir?
@@behindthescenesphotos5133 Look, I believe in you. I do. Because I care.
Do one for Failed 90s spinoffs. I def think Models Inc was the 90s Living Dolls. Glad to see Just the ten of us got 3 seasons. That needs to be on Blu Ray
Shows about models don't do well. In the 1980s, there was the soap Paper Dolls and the sitcom Living Dolls, both cancelled after 1/2 season. In the 90s, there was Models Inc., cancelled after one season. In the 2000s, there was The Beautiful Life: TBL, cancelled after a few episodes.
@@radrobd123 wowww you’re absolutely right. Note to self don’t write a tv show about models lol
I'm so glad to see "Just the Ten of Us" had ran for
3 seasons on ABC (1988-1990) and move to the
USA Network which ran for a total of 15 seasons
(1990-2005). Not bad.
Both television legends
Norman Lear and
Aaron Spelling were hitting
big time with their long
running shows: Beakman’s
World, Years Later, The
Upper Hand, Mad About You,
The Nanny, Dragon Tales,
Malcolm & Eddie,
Judge Judy, Moesha,
Judge Joe Brown,
Sunset Beach, 7th Heaven,
Charmed, The Parkers,
90210 and Dynasty.
Just the Ten of Us introduced me to Jamie Luner :)
I loved Enos. And I also loved how in the Dukes of Hazzard reunion movie they acknowledged it by making Enos a badass, as he was in his own show, and not the doofus he was in Hazzard.
I remember in the first episode of Enos he has a suspect in the backseat of his Chevelle getting the ride of his life when Enos gets close to going over a cliff when Enos tellhim he'd rather go back to Hazzard dead then shamed.
The comment about changing the channel when hearing the "Mash" theme had me dying laughing.
I always feel bad for the struggles unknown actors hired for supporting roles. They get the gig, get their hopes up and it bombs. Obviously it workout well for some of them and it’s cool to see where their journey started. It’s a gamble especially a cash grab spinoff which reeks desperation. I’m sure they asked Johnny Depp first before Richard Greco and he turned it down.. smart move
Yes, it sadly but so also goes without saying that it's too bad when certain spinoffs don't do as well as their forerunners.Maybe just maybe Frasier was the only one to do as well as its forerunner of Cheers.
It really makes you wonder why they weren't a big hit when you see such an all-star cast. Like Living Dolls had so many famous actresses and upcoming actresses.
and it was a decent show
And Leah Remini was good in that show and it was kinda funny.
As Sharon Stone who says about some short lived shows with
big name stars: “But it
won’t last.”
That was a big thing in the 70's and 80's especially on sitcoms. A very popular character would be spun off into his/her own show. Most of the time it didn't work out but there were some very successful exceptions. Frasier for example.
I remember liking "AfterMash." And, I only watched MASH sporadically.
Excellent compilation & commentary.
Thanks much.
You missed that both Empty Nest and The Golden Palace was a spin off of golden girls - although since you specified 80s I think Golden Palace was 90s, but Empty nest should have counted.
Lasted for 7 seasons!@darktitan6308
@darktitan6308 Empty Nest lasted for seven seasons.
Just the 10 of Us used to be one of my favorite shows. I actually liked it better than Growing Pains.
I loved "Just the 10 of us".
Just the Ten of us was awesome!!!!
Booker had a connection with the TV show Renegade, and 21 Jump Street.
Richard Greico did not have a 'mullet'.
Yeah, that was weird comment from him.
I love your videos. "Enos" may have faired better as a 30 minute sitcom. The one hour police procedural didn't fit with that character. Michael Learned had said if the show lasted she would have been fired and replaced with Marion Ross. She said they wanted her to be Charlotte Rae not the Eileen Ford type she played the character as. CBS later had Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore shows follow each other. "The Van Dyke Show" aired before "Annie Maguire" in the late 80s.
That was an odd choice. Few dramas have spun off of sitcoms (Lou Grant, anyone??) especially with such a silly character like Enos... It was always going to be a tough sell.
Imagine Gomer Pyle going to the big city and becoming a teacher...or a lawyer...
@@bradyguy7701 Trapper John, MD was drama that was spin off of Mash.
@@0011peace Nope. Technically...and "legally"...not a spinoff. I've explained it a few times in other comments. Scroll down...
@@bradyguy7701 in a lter episode they did give the mash number and it was 4077 go for teh mash which wasn't the numnber for the movie so they lied in court. The Movie was 8055. So sing the TV show mash number was proof they lied.
The Emmy nominated hit television series on CBS
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I wonder why I don't remember seeing any promotions for the show because I would have watched After Mash if I had known about it since I loved Mash and all the characters.
I remember watching it recently.. online... I just can't remember where.. but pretty sure it's out there