So u shaped grooves were mentioned as having lower spin rate after tooled with the more expensive tool. What about v shaped grooves? Are they still being made that way or only with older wedges? And if so, when did v shaped grooves stop being made? A better test would include both tools and v and u shaped grooves, right?
I have a two different 50 deg and also 52,56,58 that I swap in out usually as 50/56 or 52/58. Different bounce/grind that I like for different course and weather conditions. I probably replace after 100-150 rounds. Except one of the 50 deg that I’ve had for much longer, but can’t find anything that I like as much, so I keep it around
The Vokey 256 was launched in 2002, almost 20 years ago, and well before the new groove rules. Back then, grooves could have been 30% bigger than they are now. Using a conforming geometry tool like the GrooVex would be like putting a Redbull can in a car cupholder. The tool "floated" in the groove. The only way I can see spin being reduced in this case was that the tool was angled or rocked side-to-side, making the groove even wider and totally deforming the groove edge. The HIFROM (not HiForm) may have made a small spin difference, but the Vokey is made from an 8620 carbon steel alloy (8620 carbon, nickel, chromium, molybdenum). Very hard material (80 Rockwell hardness) used for durability, as most premium irons and wedges made today. The $10 tool is most likely made from a hardened tool steel of about the same hardness, meaning that you would really have to work see a difference if any at all. The GrooVex material is C2 sub-micron grade tungsten carbide at 92 Rockwell hardness, made to reshape metal.
Another point to a really flawed and confusing testing protocol. The Callaway X series from 2004 is made from 1020 carbon steel, rarely used today. Very soft material at around 64 Rockwell. This was not an apples-to-apples test.
Great video. And sharpening the grooves is one thing. Keeping the wedges clean is much more important. I see guys all the time without a towel or just crap in the grooves of their clubs all the time. If you take care of them, they will last much, MUCH longer. I play with RTX raw wedges and I can say without a doubt they are the 3 cleanest clubs in my bag before and after every single round. Clean em' up boys!
I have a pair of Wilson Harmonized wedges, yes the cheap 35 dollar ones that I love. I’ve tried Vokey, Cleveland wedges but something about the look of the Wilson when chipping and pitching fits my eye. Anyway they were smooth as a baby’s ass apparently and I didn’t really notice since I hit the ball pretty high typically. I used the 10 dollar groove sharpen and man what a HUGE difference!! Just running my finger across the grooves after was a massive difference and on the greens I’ve had to adjust my landing spots quite a bit to make up for the checking and stopping of the ball. Great tool to save some money on over priced name brand wedges! 👍🏻💵
I've got two older Cleveland wedges. 56 with 14 degrees of bounce and a 60 with 12. I used the HIFROM and it definitely makes a difference. The tape is a must (unless you are an "artist") and I tried to maintain the same pressure throughout the process. My wedges are square grooved so they are not compliant anyway but I don't play in sanctioned tournaments so f*** them! But the tool works great. Takes a little patience to get it right though! Well done video as always from MGS ! big fan
I'm thinking of replacing mine at the start of next season. But this could get me through the winter 🤔🙌🏾 great work on the testing. Matt Fryer did something similar.
I use a Hi Form sharpener, and have newer wedges. Sometimes the grooves can be blunted and lose profile due to stones in bunkers, or those clutch shots off of dirt! The tool is great for getting the grooves back in shape, but thats about all. New wedge when the grooves overall are dull is best.! Nice review. Thanksl
As always, thank you for the content! I think this is a great starter for the conversation, but more data is needed if we are really looking at options to save old wedges. 2 questions - 1 which option on the $10 sharpener was used? Some of them are more aggressive than others. 2 - have you done any research on sandblasting? Wishon mentions this as an option on his site, and it may be an option that is conforming. I understand it's not the purpose of this test, but maybe something to consider in the future.
I like that the Hiform has 6 different cutters to choose from. Not all wedges have the same grooves. Before sharping always find out what type grooves are on a club. The $80 sharpener looks like it's a one trick pony, sharping only one style of groove. Might try the Hiform on my old Ping G2 irons.
Thnks very much for this great, informative video. I 've been wondering which sharpner should I use lately and you nailed it. Thanks guys and looking forward for more of this one.
I have that $10 groove sharpener. Why didn't you explain which of the 6 points on the cheaper one should be used with current wedges vs old wedges and what is it...V or U shaped for older wedges?
I have the HIFROM (not HIFORM) sharpener. I have Vokey SM9 50 deg, 54 deg and 58 deg. I have been searching the internet to try to find whether Vokeys have U-grooves or V-grooves so I can properly select the right sharpening edge on the tool to use. Is it a state secret? Can't find the answer anywhere. Hard to believe.
Vokey's actually have different groove geometry for each of their wedge "groups", AW, SW, LW. The lower lofts have less aggressive grooves (aka more V shaped), and the higher lofts are more aggressive (aka U shaped). Your wedges have 3 different groove shapes. "V" and "U" descriptions really haven't evolved to keep up with new technology in groove/club design. Also, Vokey is one of the only companies to "case harden" or heat-treat the face of their wedges. Great for groove longevity, but it makes them very difficult to re-sharpen. Most all of those inexpensive sharpeners are made from material that is softer than the case-hardened 8620 steel that Vokey uses in their clubheads. Your HIFROM is made from tool-steel which is around 65 Rockwell Hardness.
I had a sand wedge for over 20 years playing twice a week and it performed good enough for me [ ya I shoot 9 over par ] just to prove a point you can adapt.
I bought a new wedge after using the same ones for 20 yrs. Huge, huge difference. But i do have some wedges with custom stamping that I dont want to replace. Hiform might keep it alive for a little longer!
I've used the HIFROM-style sharpener for a few years and its amazing. That said, success with the wedge is still down to the golfer. Even super-sharp non-conforming grooves (at least what you would end up with if you "over" sharpened your wedge resulting in groove width and depth exceeding USGA and R&A rules) isn't going to make you a short-game wizard. But it sure beats having to spend $300 USD or more on new set of wedges.
I play that exact Callaway wedge. It's one of the first clubs ever given to me. It's such a good shape and finish I'm so happy there's a 10$ option to help me maximize it's performance!
I keep my wedges for years. I guess because I play softer greens, but i do like a little run when I chip and for the ball to stop on the spot when I pitch. Hate when the ball randomly zips back 5-10 yrds when I hit it close.
1. HOW much more did then new wedges spin vs the old sharpened wedges? Was it a significant difference? 2. If your wedges DO become non-conforming due to sharpening, who is going to know? If you play in a local tournament, no one ever checks them. Professional tours, that may be different, I don't know. That being said, this is a gentleman's game (gentlewoman's too, I should add) and a game of integrity. Whether the clubs are checked or not, we should all abide by the rules and play conforming clubs and balls. Thanks for all your great information!
Would be curious to see the affect on the actual ball after sharpening-I've seen some other tests that show the ball getting absolutely shredded by the sharpened grooves.
I wouldn't be surprised. I sharpen mine at least once a season. Although I've not noticed them shredding the cover, whenever I run my fingers across my newly sharpened wedges I'm always surprised how much the feel of the grooves reminds me of a cheese-grater.
I purchased a hiform sharpener two years ago to save two old Voley wedges. Just one wedge purchased in the last two years....I wanted to try a zip core. I play over 100 rounds per year.
I decided to start playing more golf in 2022 and replaced all my 10 year old Vokey wedges with new ones. Huge difference with the new wedges. I won't replace every 75 rounds but will probably look into groove sharpening this time next year.
I have sharpened mine for many years. If nothing else it removes small soil particles and corrosion from the grooves. Does it help? I dont see a big difference as a 14 handicapper. But I keep doing it because it is intuitive that cleaner grooves must be better.
I've been using the Amazon sharpener for a couple of years, my Vokey Sm 6's (' 5 years old) work wonderfully after a little 'grooving'. Save money and sharpen up!
My wedges probably have 225 rounds over the past 3-4 years, so I'd probably give this a shot before investing in new ones. If it doesn't work, looks like I'll book that Edel Golf wedge fitting I've been wanting to try!
Am i bad! I just replaced my sand wedge after around 1,000 rounds! My excuse I have a low swing speed. Grooves did not look that bad. I had applied a little sharpening, but not aggressively over this time. Chiefly wanted different style / shaft after testing other clubs . About to replace 60 degree which has done around same number and again applied light use of groove sharpener over period. Admittedly the 60 degree does look sad and should really have been replaced before now.
I have used the Groovex, and I was impressed with it as a durable, long lasting tool made of high quality tool steel. The one thing is that it really, really needs a handle. It is very difficult to do the job properly with a heavy, thin, slippery round tool. That said, it is very sharp, and it stays sharp after use. I don't have the ability to measure spin, but the grooves on my clubs felt much, much sharper to the touch. I don't think my clubs lost spin, and they seemed to have gained quite a bit. One thing you didn't mention that applies to any metal cutting tool, whether expensive or inexpensive: You should always use lubricant, or the tool will dull quickly. Cutting oil is the best, though you would then have to clean that off.
I have the $10 version. I don't use it with much pressure mainly just use it to make sure the grooves are nice and clean. Seems to work fairly well. I have a LM in my den and hit a TON of wedges so I generally replace every year for 58, 2 yrs for 54, and 50 whenever I get new irons.
What about adding the process of lightly sand blasting the face along with sharpening the grooves? Roughing up the face should add some grip on the ball.
It's an interesting thought and makes sense. I have struggled in years past until I can find wedges with bounce and grind that are forgiving enough I can rely on
I have been using the same wedge now for about 200 rounds. I have not really noticed any lack of spin. I would assume it is because I use it so much. Either way I believe it is time for a new wedge and not a sharpener.
Can I suggest sending your trusty old wedge places like The Iron Factory where they will rechrome/refinish them for you. So if have an old school Svratch Golf Don White handmade set u may not ready to get rid of yet....there is better options.... Just saying. Love the content!
I’ve tried a different brand of sharpener and it shredded my balls for a couple of rounds than spin seemed like old again. Didn’t think the edge lasted.
I normally replace my wedges after around 2-3 seasons @ ~40 rounds annually. I am hoping that Cleveland's claim that the RTX Zipcore's "hardened grooves" will last longer holds true. Time will tell. I would like to take a groove sharpener a to my old 588's and see what happens.
I never tried sharpening them, I would just rotate old wedges to the practive set or left a set in the car so that I'd always have a set to practice with anywhere I was. Then I started buying two at a time, one for tournament play and one for practice. Even though they are getting more expensive, I'll just continue buying new wedges, I just really like that fresh groove spin.
Interesting. With so many different groove shapes and techniques and treatments (hydro pearl etc), I’d say this is probably a bit risky on newer high tech wedges. I’d imagine it might be “safer” on newer raw finish wedges as their grooves aren’t shaped to apply additional finish/treatment layers that would be removed with a sharpener. Wonder how this works out for groove-in-groove tech wedges. I think Mizuno uses specialized grooves instead of treatment layers. Presume sharpening would be detrimental I do have an older low tech set blade gap wedge that came in my Cobra MB Forged. Love it and prefer it to a specialty gap wedge. Might think about sharpening it using the cheaper sharpener
A groove sharpener seems like a great option for the budget conscious golfer. Wild to see that the cheaper option is better! I'd love to replace my wedges more often but SWMBO dictates otherwise, 😆
Replace my 55 every two season and 60 every season. Actually a little shocked it worked, for ten bucks I might get one just to fool around with some older 60's I got laying around in the "graveyard."
I replace them about every 3 years. I probably will resharpen them when the time comes but mine are new this year. It may give me another year or two out of them when the time comes. Not much to lose really if it doesn’t help. 👍🏼
I replaced my old (6 year old) Cleveland lob 60 wedge with a callaway jaws- what a difference in spin! Yep- I agree, my Vokey sand probably is in the replace it category with all the sand play. Also this tool could never address the micro groves between the larger groves in that sand wedge.
Count me as one who will NOT sharpen. I am lucky enough to be able to afford wedges every few years so will just stay on that side of the coin. Love the content of this story and all the Golf Science videos. Please keep going!
i have use the ten dollars tool one thing that might have change the results of the test might have been the ten dollar tool has different size blades vs the 80 have only one choice of blade sizes.
Faulty test considering grooving is designed to displace grass and dirt in order to increase club surface from the rough and sand...they are not designed for optimal conditions like a simulator mat. In fact, a completely smooth face would generate more spin from maintained fairways and mats. You also need to ensure your grooving tool produces U shape grooves and not V shaped
Someone mentioned when you posted this on your website that one of the wedges your sharpened was harder than the other. That would make it harder to sharpen it.
BTW I have Cleveland wedges and I've played hundreds of rounds with them. They still perform, but I do keep them clean. Most golfers never clean any of their clubs, and that's a problem. JM2C
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I replace my wedges each time my dad gets new ones for himself... I just get his old ones lol.
So u shaped grooves were mentioned as having lower spin rate after tooled with the more expensive tool. What about v shaped grooves? Are they still being made that way or only with older wedges? And if so, when did v shaped grooves stop being made? A better test would include both tools and v and u shaped grooves, right?
I replace them about 200-350 rounds
I have a two different 50 deg and also 52,56,58 that I swap in out usually as 50/56 or 52/58. Different bounce/grind that I like for different course and weather conditions. I probably replace after 100-150 rounds. Except one of the 50 deg that I’ve had for much longer, but can’t find anything that I like as much, so I keep it around
There are about 6 different prongs to choose from on the $10 tool. Which one did you use, is it the “legal” one? Does it match the $80 tool prong?
Would have been interesting to see what happens when you use the Hiform on the Vokey following the decrease in spin rate from the GrooveX.
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The Vokey 256 was launched in 2002, almost 20 years ago, and well before the new groove rules. Back then, grooves could have been 30% bigger than they are now. Using a conforming geometry tool like the GrooVex would be like putting a Redbull can in a car cupholder. The tool "floated" in the groove. The only way I can see spin being reduced in this case was that the tool was angled or rocked side-to-side, making the groove even wider and totally deforming the groove edge. The HIFROM (not HiForm) may have made a small spin difference, but the Vokey is made from an 8620 carbon steel alloy (8620 carbon, nickel, chromium, molybdenum). Very hard material (80 Rockwell hardness) used for durability, as most premium irons and wedges made today. The $10 tool is most likely made from a hardened tool steel of about the same hardness, meaning that you would really have to work see a difference if any at all. The GrooVex material is C2 sub-micron grade tungsten carbide at 92 Rockwell hardness, made to reshape metal.
Another point to a really flawed and confusing testing protocol. The Callaway X series from 2004 is made from 1020 carbon steel, rarely used today. Very soft material at around 64 Rockwell. This was not an apples-to-apples test.
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Great video. And sharpening the grooves is one thing. Keeping the wedges clean is much more important. I see guys all the time without a towel or just crap in the grooves of their clubs all the time. If you take care of them, they will last much, MUCH longer. I play with RTX raw wedges and I can say without a doubt they are the 3 cleanest clubs in my bag before and after every single round. Clean em' up boys!
I clean my clubs all the time and funny how they still look great after a few years. Never used a groove sharpener.
Great test, I've bought the $10 sharpener before your review. I'm glad you confirmed what I thought.
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I have a pair of Wilson Harmonized wedges, yes the cheap 35 dollar ones that I love. I’ve tried Vokey, Cleveland wedges but something about the look of the Wilson when chipping and pitching fits my eye. Anyway they were smooth as a baby’s ass apparently and I didn’t really notice since I hit the ball pretty high typically. I used the 10 dollar groove sharpen and man what a HUGE difference!! Just running my finger across the grooves after was a massive difference and on the greens I’ve had to adjust my landing spots quite a bit to make up for the checking and stopping of the ball. Great tool to save some money on over priced name brand wedges! 👍🏻💵
I know what you mean. I have a Taylormade Supersteel sand wedge that I love. It just looks snd feels better than my Vokeys or Clevelands.
Nice video, Adam! I love these.
i recently bought a "sharpener" off of Amazon. I can say that it definitely refreshed my wedges
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I've got two older Cleveland wedges. 56 with 14 degrees of bounce and a 60 with 12. I used the HIFROM and it definitely makes a difference. The tape is a must (unless you are an "artist") and I tried to maintain the same pressure throughout the process. My wedges are square grooved so they are not compliant anyway but I don't play in sanctioned tournaments so f*** them! But the tool works great. Takes a little patience to get it right though! Well done video as always from MGS ! big fan
I'm thinking of replacing mine at the start of next season. But this could get me through the winter 🤔🙌🏾 great work on the testing. Matt Fryer did something similar.
I use a Hi Form sharpener, and have newer wedges. Sometimes the grooves can be blunted and lose profile due to stones in bunkers, or those clutch shots off of dirt! The tool is great for getting the grooves back in shape, but thats about all. New wedge when the grooves overall are dull is best.! Nice review. Thanksl
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As always, thank you for the content! I think this is a great starter for the conversation, but more data is needed if we are really looking at options to save old wedges. 2 questions - 1 which option on the $10 sharpener was used? Some of them are more aggressive than others. 2 - have you done any research on sandblasting? Wishon mentions this as an option on his site, and it may be an option that is conforming. I understand it's not the purpose of this test, but maybe something to consider in the future.
I like that the Hiform has 6 different cutters to choose from. Not all wedges have the same grooves. Before sharping always find out what type grooves are on a club. The $80 sharpener looks like it's a one trick pony, sharping only one style of groove. Might try the Hiform on my old Ping G2 irons.
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Thnks very much for this great, informative video. I 've been wondering which sharpner should I use lately and you nailed it.
Thanks guys and looking forward for more of this one.
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I have that $10 groove sharpener. Why didn't you explain which of the 6 points on the cheaper one should be used with current wedges vs old wedges and what is it...V or U shaped for older wedges?
I have the HIFROM (not HIFORM) sharpener. I have Vokey SM9 50 deg, 54 deg and 58 deg. I have been searching the internet to try to find whether Vokeys have U-grooves or V-grooves so I can properly select the right sharpening edge on the tool to use. Is it a state secret? Can't find the answer anywhere. Hard to believe.
Vokey's actually have different groove geometry for each of their wedge "groups", AW, SW, LW. The lower lofts have less aggressive grooves (aka more V shaped), and the higher lofts are more aggressive (aka U shaped). Your wedges have 3 different groove shapes. "V" and "U" descriptions really haven't evolved to keep up with new technology in groove/club design. Also, Vokey is one of the only companies to "case harden" or heat-treat the face of their wedges. Great for groove longevity, but it makes them very difficult to re-sharpen. Most all of those inexpensive sharpeners are made from material that is softer than the case-hardened 8620 steel that Vokey uses in their clubheads. Your HIFROM is made from tool-steel which is around 65 Rockwell Hardness.
I've always wondered this!!! I have been dubious about needing new wedges. Grip replacement is more a thing IMO
I have had my clubs for 12 years but i only used to play 2-3 rounds a year until this year so no replacement yet
How do they work when you have wedges like the Ping Glide 4.0 where the wedges at different angles / radius on wedges of different lofts…..
I had a sand wedge for over 20 years playing twice a week and it performed good enough for me [ ya I shoot 9 over par ] just to prove a point you can adapt.
Does this work for regular irons too?
I bought a new wedge after using the same ones for 20 yrs. Huge, huge difference. But i do have some wedges with custom stamping that I dont want to replace. Hiform might keep it alive for a little longer!
I've used the HIFROM-style sharpener for a few years and its amazing. That said, success with the wedge is still down to the golfer. Even super-sharp non-conforming grooves (at least what you would end up with if you "over" sharpened your wedge resulting in groove width and depth exceeding USGA and R&A rules) isn't going to make you a short-game wizard. But it sure beats having to spend $300 USD or more on new set of wedges.
Thanks I use the 10 dollar been satisfied with it works well
I have the device and it takes a while to figure out which cutting edge actually gives you a benefit, and which actually rounds over the edges
thanks for sharing this review on keeping our wedges up to par! 👏👍
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Yes have used the Hi Form sharpener, it works just fine, figure out which groves your wedge has, and use the correct sharpener side.
Everyone talks about sharpening only wedges. Would this work on irons as well?
I play that exact Callaway wedge. It's one of the first clubs ever given to me. It's such a good shape and finish I'm so happy there's a 10$ option to help me maximize it's performance!
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How does a person determine which cutter to use on the Hiform? Which one did you use?
I keep my wedges for years. I guess because I play softer greens, but i do like a little run when I chip and for the ball to stop on the spot when I pitch. Hate when the ball randomly zips back 5-10 yrds when I hit it close.
1. HOW much more did then new wedges spin vs the old sharpened wedges? Was it a significant difference? 2. If your wedges DO become non-conforming due to sharpening, who is going to know? If you play in a local tournament, no one ever checks them. Professional tours, that may be different, I don't know. That being said, this is a gentleman's game (gentlewoman's too, I should add) and a game of integrity. Whether the clubs are checked or not, we should all abide by the rules and play conforming clubs and balls. Thanks for all your great information!
Would be curious to see the affect on the actual ball after sharpening-I've seen some other tests that show the ball getting absolutely shredded by the sharpened grooves.
I wouldn't be surprised. I sharpen mine at least once a season. Although I've not noticed them shredding the cover, whenever I run my fingers across my newly sharpened wedges I'm always surprised how much the feel of the grooves reminds me of a cheese-grater.
I purchased a hiform sharpener two years ago to save two old Voley wedges. Just one wedge purchased in the last two years....I wanted to try a zip core. I play over 100 rounds per year.
I have sharpened mine before and it does help but it is still not close to a new wedge!
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I decided to start playing more golf in 2022 and replaced all my 10 year old Vokey wedges with new ones. Huge difference with the new wedges. I won't replace every 75 rounds but will probably look into groove sharpening this time next year.
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I have sharpened mine for many years. If nothing else it removes small soil particles and corrosion from the grooves. Does it help? I dont see a big difference as a 14 handicapper. But I keep doing it because it is intuitive that cleaner grooves must be better.
I use the high form tool.
I've been using the Amazon sharpener for a couple of years, my Vokey Sm 6's (' 5 years old) work wonderfully after a little 'grooving'. Save money and sharpen up!
I see there are different options on the $10 one. Which one do you recommend using to sharpen with? Does one shape have an advantage over another?
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My wedges probably have 225 rounds over the past 3-4 years, so I'd probably give this a shot before investing in new ones. If it doesn't work, looks like I'll book that Edel Golf wedge fitting I've been wanting to try!
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I use this on my edel sms wedges
I was just talking about doing this. I have 17 year old wedges and I play a lot of golf. What about doing all the irons in the bag?
Am i bad!
I just replaced my sand wedge after around 1,000 rounds! My excuse I have a low swing speed.
Grooves did not look that bad. I had applied a little sharpening, but not aggressively over this time. Chiefly wanted different style / shaft after testing other clubs . About to replace 60 degree which has done around same number and again applied light use of groove sharpener over period. Admittedly the 60 degree does look sad and should really have been replaced before now.
What are spin rates on brand new wedges in comparison to the used and used/sharpened?
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I have used the Groovex, and I was impressed with it as a durable, long lasting tool made of high quality tool steel. The one thing is that it really, really needs a handle. It is very difficult to do the job properly with a heavy, thin, slippery round tool. That said, it is very sharp, and it stays sharp after use. I don't have the ability to measure spin, but the grooves on my clubs felt much, much sharper to the touch. I don't think my clubs lost spin, and they seemed to have gained quite a bit.
One thing you didn't mention that applies to any metal cutting tool, whether expensive or inexpensive: You should always use lubricant, or the tool will dull quickly. Cutting oil is the best, though you would then have to clean that off.
I have the $10 version. I don't use it with much pressure mainly just use it to make sure the grooves are nice and clean. Seems to work fairly well. I have a LM in my den and hit a TON of wedges so I generally replace every year for 58, 2 yrs for 54, and 50 whenever I get new irons.
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have the same gap and sand wedge for the last 15 years , would love a new sharpening tool .
I still need to pick up a set of clubs, probably end up with used ones so this is a handy tool.
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Since callaway quit making the pm wedge, I may have to consider sharpening my 60 degree.
What about adding the process of lightly sand blasting the face along with sharpening the grooves? Roughing up the face should add some grip on the ball.
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It's an interesting thought and makes sense. I have struggled in years past until I can find wedges with bounce and grind that are forgiving enough I can rely on
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I have same question as another commenter, for HiForm, which cutting edge do you use or which is best
Why only wedges? Would this work or be beneficial for my irons?
Replacing every 5 years or so. Tried a diamond-tipped groove sharpener a few times--seemed to help spin a bit...
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In parameters I did not hear what ball was used, was it said?
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I typically try to get 2 years out of the wedges, I only replace one at a time to whenever they get bad.
I use ht HiForm on my Vokey wedges and it works like a champ! I am just a recreational player and not going to buy new wedges after every 75 rounds.
Replace mine every 2-3 years. Will definitely try this out especially since mine are worn out anyway. Maybe get some extra life out of them 😎
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I have the HiForm and am going to try it out tomorrow!!
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Would love to try this on my wedges. I think I’m over due a new set of wedges
Does the $10 tool work safely on other wedges? Couldn't it possibly damage any vokey as well? Not a very thorough test
I have been using the same wedge now for about 200 rounds. I have not really noticed any lack of spin. I would assume it is because I use it so much. Either way I believe it is time for a new wedge and not a sharpener.
Can I suggest sending your trusty old wedge places like The Iron Factory where they will rechrome/refinish them for you.
So if have an old school Svratch Golf Don White handmade set u may not ready to get rid of yet....there is better options....
Just saying.
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I’ve tried a different brand of sharpener and it shredded my balls for a couple of rounds than spin seemed like old again. Didn’t think the edge lasted.
Sounds painful 😂
At the present rate. No times after 43 years! I cannot stop the ball but I sure know how far it is going to go in the air!
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I normally replace my wedges after around 2-3 seasons @ ~40 rounds annually. I am hoping that Cleveland's claim that the RTX Zipcore's "hardened grooves" will last longer holds true. Time will tell. I would like to take a groove sharpener a to my old 588's and see what happens.
I never tried sharpening them, I would just rotate old wedges to the practive set or left a set in the car so that I'd always have a set to practice with anywhere I was. Then I started buying two at a time, one for tournament play and one for practice. Even though they are getting more expensive, I'll just continue buying new wedges, I just really like that fresh groove spin.
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I am happy allowing the ball to roll out more as the grooves degrade over time... once the chrome starts to wear off, I switch out...
Would love to try now as my wedges are pretty worn out …
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Haven't sharpened mine but face looks pretty worn. Would like to try this.
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Interesting. With so many different groove shapes and techniques and treatments (hydro pearl etc), I’d say this is probably a bit risky on newer high tech wedges. I’d imagine it might be “safer” on newer raw finish wedges as their grooves aren’t shaped to apply additional finish/treatment layers that would be removed with a sharpener.
Wonder how this works out for groove-in-groove tech wedges. I think Mizuno uses specialized grooves instead of treatment layers. Presume sharpening would be detrimental
I do have an older low tech set blade gap wedge that came in my Cobra MB Forged. Love it and prefer it to a specialty gap wedge. Might think about sharpening it using the cheaper sharpener
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I replace my wedges probably every 4 years. I play around 30 rounds a year. I am interested in the sharpening method.
Love the content. Is there a way to know if you use this and your wedges then becoming non conforming
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Great stuff... curious if you saw the recently sharpened grooves cause any added damage to the golf balls you were hitting?
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Amazing content as always. Interesting results. Never would thought of trying this. Now I will.
I'm all in for resharpening my grooves. I don't play in any format that would look down on the process.
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A groove sharpener seems like a great option for the budget conscious golfer. Wild to see that the cheaper option is better! I'd love to replace my wedges more often but SWMBO dictates otherwise, 😆
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I believe the name is Hifrom not Hiform, Can't find Hiform out on the Internet.
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groove sharpening kit! does it work?
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Replace my 55 every two season and 60 every season. Actually a little shocked it worked, for ten bucks I might get one just to fool around with some older 60's I got laying around in the "graveyard."
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I replace them about every 3 years.
I probably will resharpen them when the time comes but mine are new this year. It may give me another year or two out of them when the time comes. Not much to lose really if it doesn’t help. 👍🏼
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I replaced my old (6 year old) Cleveland lob 60 wedge with a callaway jaws- what a difference in spin! Yep- I agree, my Vokey sand probably is in the replace it category with all the sand play. Also this tool could never address the micro groves between the larger groves in that sand wedge.
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I’ve had my current wedges about 7 years. But I only play about 30 rounds a year.
Count me as one who will NOT sharpen. I am lucky enough to be able to afford wedges every few years so will just stay on that side of the coin. Love the content of this story and all the Golf Science videos. Please keep going!
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Yep this stuff is real - have the $10 version and do my wedges once a year - still hasn’t stopped me buying new ones though😂😂
Not sharpening my grooves. Just bought 2 new wedges 56 & 60 on sale.
Good info I’ve subscribed
Don’t think I’ve bought a new wedge for a few years. I am looking at getting new ones though.
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Based on the video of you using the groovex, I am questioning whether or not you used it correctly.
i have use the ten dollars tool one thing that might have change the results of the test might have been the ten dollar tool has different size blades vs the 80 have only one choice of blade sizes.
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So pre owned wedges are a bad idea?
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Faulty test considering grooving is designed to displace grass and dirt in order to increase club surface from the rough and sand...they are not designed for optimal conditions like a simulator mat. In fact, a completely smooth face would generate more spin from maintained fairways and mats. You also need to ensure your grooving tool produces U shape grooves and not V shaped
I think the other wedge success for me is using the “ Franken wedge “ grooves or not still works
Someone mentioned when you posted this on your website that one of the wedges your sharpened was harder than the other. That would make it harder to sharpen it.
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BTW I have Cleveland wedges and I've played hundreds of rounds with them. They still perform, but I do keep them clean. Most golfers never clean any of their clubs, and that's a problem. JM2C
So a no-no for the Vokeys? Damn, I happen to be playing ~15 year old Vokeys that I was hoping to reinvigorate.