I remember when it was "the Big 5" of Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea were nowhere near being consider a big club pre-Abramovich, nor were Man City pre-Abu Dhabi and Everton have dropped down the table in both respects over the past three decades.
To some extent the media play their part in maintaining the difference between which teams are elite and which teams are merely player stepping stones. To use Newcastle as an example, if any of our first team players are rested or rotated, even for a single match, then stories are immediately written about that player wanting to move on. This season alone it's happened with Trippier (Bayern Munich), Bruno (City), Isak (Arsenal) and Gordon (Liverpool) even though no actual bids have been received for any of them, and most of those players have needed a rest, particularly after international windows. It's as if the very idea of a top player being part of a squad rather than a guaranteed starter every match, is only allowed at some clubs and not others. If City leave out Foden, i don't see the same kind of stories being written about him.
Yeah, if you look at the past 10, 15, 20 seasons in terms of league points earned, the big 6 end up as the top 6 teams in there. Even if here and there a couple fall down, they don't stay there for long enough in comparison to the teams around them who struggle to maintain that level of consistency.
The sky 6 have made it that no other clubs are allowed to compete, its disgraceful that Nufc and Villa have to sell when they are both in the best position they have been for years, despite having wealthy owners. PSR is purely in place to make sure no club can come in and win the leauge or compete at the highest level.
@@SKa-tt9nmyou all keep conflating incompetence with an unfair advantage for the opponent. United have been terrible for a decade,without Champions League money for 60% of that time and have still spent £400 million more than City have in that same time. If United had been run as well as City they’d have run the Premier League the way Bayern does the Bundesliga. And that’s not even include £800 million wasted on servicing the ownership’s debt.
@@swifteh1780 You don’t need to be an Arsenal fan to question why Spurs are included in the Big 6. I don’t even support them, seems like you’re a bit rattled mate.
How is the receuitmemt by Utd during the summer anything but solid? The players that came in have been good. Its not on them or the recruitment done in the summer's fault we are in this mess. Get a grip lads
There’s no replacement for money and management. In that regard it’s Liverpool, City, and Arsenal out front with Newcastle chasing at a distance. Still too soon to know if Villa and Chelsea will stay consistent, even with the cash available. Spurs have major internal problems to sort out, United are years away from being competitive again, and the others are all still too new to success. I will say, as a Villa fan, I have loved seeing the chaos Forest and Cherries have brought to the table!
the idea the prem is boring if you arent in contention to win it is a bonkers shout. brighton & bournemouth & brentford are tiny clubs historically who through decade long developments became world class operations, playing exciting football with near world class players. that is accessible to any club in the pyramid with the right owner funding. they will play european football. the idea a conference league away game wouldnt be exciting to a fan currently watching their league 2 club is wrong. even bouncing between prem & championship makes clubs richer & raises their ceiling
If Newcastle didn't have PSR they could pay Issak top dollar and do what Chelsea and Man City did and buy a league win so its a bit rich to say PSR protects them
I think Swansea City of 2012 - 2016 had a lot of influence in the philosophy change of smaller clubs seen today. They were always stubborn in their progressive playing style, along with shrewd player and manager recruitment. Laudrup won them a league cup at a budget.
Yes but it's now a big 8 - Newcastle and Aston Villa have joined Man United, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs (yes they still are part of the group) and Chelsea. It could easily be a big ten if Forest continue to improve, and someone else joins the party (Leicester at one stage looked like they might).
They do exist still but they have been hoist by thier own petard which is ROFL hilarious. Watching whats happeing to MUFC after the Ashworth NUFC nonsense makes it even better.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. It was David Dean at The Arsenal who was instrumental and the lead instigater along with the spurs chairman of the time to break away from the football league. They then roped in united and the two scouser clubs. It was then the Big Two, Ferguson Vs Wenger Arsenal Vs Man u who's rivalry built the so-called premier league around the world. There is only 3 historically big clubs in England, Liverpool, man u and The Arsenal everyone else in this Big 6 is just Mickey Mouse with money.
The landscape changed with dodgy Russian abramovich & the corrupt City group. Sky loved that they were blowing other teams out of the water buying whoever without consequences. Everton have been the big casuality. Villa also but they have clawed their way back to an extent. Spurs have done great from a business perspective and largely retained a decent position. Poch overachieved. They have never been a top club for trophies though like Man U, Liverpool & Arsenal although they should have picked up more than 1 cup since Levy came in. Everton, Villa & Newcastle are their competitors for the 'natural' big 6. Although obviously as i said Chelsea & Man City through dodgy ownership bought their way into the big 6 & has made it harder for Spurs, Everton,Villa, Newcastle to win silverware.
Yeah it still exists, they are the six biggest clubs in England. If those "new" top six teams stay in the top six for two or four seasons, sure let's talk new big six
Maybe they're still not in the conversation because their last major trophy was the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup 56 years ago and their last domestic title was the FA Cup 70 years ago?
And yet still have one of the biggest fan bases in the country... It's not all about trophies pal. NUFC are still in the top 10 all time trophy list despite not winning anything in decades @@iaincrawford5595
18:55 Newcastle should be 17th in the Deloitte list, numerically. All the other teams appear in the numerical order of their respective earnings, but for some reason Newcastle have been bumped up to 15th even though Juventus and West Ham have higher earnings. Any one have an idea why that's happened?
LOL. The Big 6 has only ever been the Big 3 at most. Liverpool, Utd and Arsenal are the only ones who can claim to be genuinely elite. Chelsea and City are both West Ham-level clubs that get confused for being big because of their vast fortunes. And truly great clubs like Villa, Everton and Leeds have contributed far more to the game than Spurzzz ever will.
Spurs have the 6th most trophies in the league. Villa, Everton and Leeds are all on longer trophy droughts than Spurs, and yet everyone takes the mick out of Spurs for being trophyless 😂😂
Spurs have always been the poor cousin that fluked their way into the top 6. They are no bigger than Everton. That could easily be a club fighting relegation for a few years.
Looool bet Villa and Newcastle fans were getting their hopes up when seeing this... Just because your owned by an oil state, it doesn't make your club any bigger! The City project has been completely blocked what your trying from happening again, so it doesn't work anymore. The money can only impact the club for so long before it bottlenecks and your fanbase & club status actually has to matter again. Keep on spending those billions and breaking those rules!
How can 'Big' and Spurs be in the same sentence? No Big 6 for years now, there is big 3 with possibly Chelsea catching City, Liverpool and Arsenal soon.
First we had the 'big 5', then a few years into the PL the media decided on the 'big 6'. ..Based on what though, fan base size? Finances? Historical success? Present success? Friends in high places? Perception is everything, right?
Leeds won the league in the season before Prem was created, a big team. Newcastle are the 3rd best performing team in the premier league after Man U & Arsenal, up until Bobby Robson leaves. Way ahead of Tottenham/City/Spurs in avg league position since Prem began in 92. If Mike Ashley doesn't derail Newcastle, then we would undoubtedly be amongst this 'big six'. All that growth in those years he is running our club on a shoestring, those clubs grow and grow, while we stagnate. Even when we went down we walked the championship twice. Far to big a club for it. We are just back to where we belong simply. The fan base, the stadium; it is a far bigger club than you are given it credit for in this video. There is no better fan base in the prem. The team just needs to break the duck and win a trophy, and it can be a far more organic version of City or Chelsea. More like a Liverpool with real authentic passionate northern soul. In my youth Tottenham were a lower mid table team who played nice football and conceeded a lot of goals. They are back to what they should be
Spurs have the 6th most trophies in the league. Won a trophy more recently than Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Forest…. In fact Newcastles last trophy was in the fifties. THE FIFITIES. And no one is out there saying the Magpies are allergic to trophies?
I remember when it was "the Big 5" of Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea were nowhere near being consider a big club pre-Abramovich, nor were Man City pre-Abu Dhabi and Everton have dropped down the table in both respects over the past three decades.
There was a revolving door for no. 6 in those days. Sometimes it was Vila, sometimes Forest, sometimes even Leeds.
To some extent the media play their part in maintaining the difference between which teams are elite and which teams are merely player stepping stones. To use Newcastle as an example, if any of our first team players are rested or rotated, even for a single match, then stories are immediately written about that player wanting to move on. This season alone it's happened with Trippier (Bayern Munich), Bruno (City), Isak (Arsenal) and Gordon (Liverpool) even though no actual bids have been received for any of them, and most of those players have needed a rest, particularly after international windows.
It's as if the very idea of a top player being part of a squad rather than a guaranteed starter every match, is only allowed at some clubs and not others. If City leave out Foden, i don't see the same kind of stories being written about him.
Great point
Only as far as the media are concerned
they exist in the way that they’re the only teams who can consistently finish in top 6 even if they miss out for a season or 2
Yeah, if you look at the past 10, 15, 20 seasons in terms of league points earned, the big 6 end up as the top 6 teams in there. Even if here and there a couple fall down, they don't stay there for long enough in comparison to the teams around them who struggle to maintain that level of consistency.
The sky 6 have made it that no other clubs are allowed to compete, its disgraceful that Nufc and Villa have to sell when they are both in the best position they have been for years, despite having wealthy owners. PSR is purely in place to make sure no club can come in and win the leauge or compete at the highest level.
Eliminating PSR would ensure that no other clubs outside of city and Newcastle ever come close to a title again. How can you not see that?
@@SKa-tt9nmyou all keep conflating incompetence with an unfair advantage for the opponent. United have been terrible for a decade,without Champions League money for 60% of that time and have still spent £400 million more than City have in that same time. If United had been run as well as City they’d have run the Premier League the way Bayern does the Bundesliga. And that’s not even include £800 million wasted on servicing the ownership’s debt.
To me there’s always been the Big 5, never really understood why spurs were a part of that.
Big 4. City were artificially inserted
For a decade they could beat the top 4 and were doing well in the champions league.
Ah, we found the Arsenal fan
Look at their revenue per year. That's why.
@@swifteh1780 You don’t need to be an Arsenal fan to question why Spurs are included in the Big 6. I don’t even support them, seems like you’re a bit rattled mate.
“Mothaf*** the big 6, it’s only big me.” Kendrick Lamar, probably.
"Who do you support Kendrick?"
"Stay humble"
"Oh, Spurs"
Once again
> Opens athletic video
> Sees Tim Spiers
> closes Athletic video
How is the receuitmemt by Utd during the summer anything but solid?
The players that came in have been good. Its not on them or the recruitment done in the summer's fault we are in this mess. Get a grip lads
The Big 6 is based on revenue. The clubs are still top 6 in revenue.
Stupid debate.
There’s no replacement for money and management. In that regard it’s Liverpool, City, and Arsenal out front with Newcastle chasing at a distance. Still too soon to know if Villa and Chelsea will stay consistent, even with the cash available. Spurs have major internal problems to sort out, United are years away from being competitive again, and the others are all still too new to success. I will say, as a Villa fan, I have loved seeing the chaos Forest and Cherries have brought to the table!
the idea the prem is boring if you arent in contention to win it is a bonkers shout. brighton & bournemouth & brentford are tiny clubs historically who through decade long developments became world class operations, playing exciting football with near world class players. that is accessible to any club in the pyramid with the right owner funding. they will play european football. the idea a conference league away game wouldnt be exciting to a fan currently watching their league 2 club is wrong. even bouncing between prem & championship makes clubs richer & raises their ceiling
If Newcastle didn't have PSR they could pay Issak top dollar and do what Chelsea and Man City did and buy a league win so its a bit rich to say PSR protects them
Financially yes
I think Swansea City of 2012 - 2016 had a lot of influence in the philosophy change of smaller clubs seen today. They were always stubborn in their progressive playing style, along with shrewd player and manager recruitment. Laudrup won them a league cup at a budget.
Yes but it's now a big 8 - Newcastle and Aston Villa have joined Man United, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs (yes they still are part of the group) and Chelsea. It could easily be a big ten if Forest continue to improve, and someone else joins the party (Leicester at one stage looked like they might).
They do exist still but they have been hoist by thier own petard which is ROFL hilarious. Watching whats happeing to MUFC after the Ashworth NUFC nonsense makes it even better.
It's always been the Big 3. Now it's just the Big 2.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. It was David Dean at The Arsenal who was instrumental and the lead instigater along with the spurs chairman of the time to break away from the football league. They then roped in united and the two scouser clubs. It was then the Big Two, Ferguson Vs Wenger Arsenal Vs Man u who's rivalry built the so-called premier league around the world. There is only 3 historically big clubs in England, Liverpool, man u and The Arsenal everyone else in this Big 6 is just Mickey Mouse with money.
They are the big six not because of their success on field but their spending power off it.
It was a Big 5 mate, it is not even that hard to get that history.
Let’s have it right Man U fans thought they were finishing about Liverpool this season.
2008 was not Abu Dhabi money, it was Thai money.
In terms of finances, yes. More money, more quality you generally can get. So basically yes, they're just in a slump.
The landscape changed with dodgy Russian abramovich & the corrupt City group.
Sky loved that they were blowing other teams out of the water buying whoever without consequences.
Everton have been the big casuality. Villa also but they have clawed their way back to an extent.
Spurs have done great from a business perspective and largely retained a decent position.
Poch overachieved.
They have never been a top club for trophies though like Man U, Liverpool & Arsenal although they should have picked up more than 1 cup since Levy came in.
Everton, Villa & Newcastle are their competitors for the 'natural' big 6.
Although obviously as i said Chelsea & Man City through dodgy ownership bought their way into the big 6 & has made it harder for Spurs, Everton,Villa, Newcastle to win silverware.
Tim Spiers with the Tony Soprano Napoleon. 🤣
Yeah it still exists, they are the six biggest clubs in England.
If those "new" top six teams stay in the top six for two or four seasons, sure let's talk new big six
I thought it was always about revenue and global brand strength, has that changed or something?
Sadly they think so as do the Refs 🙄
Yes they do
Spurs place in the big 6 was always laughable
Amazingly, their revenue is higher than Arsenal and Chelsea. By a lot.
Literally 6th most decorated club in the league
There’s a top 4. Next.
Currently, Newcastle is slowly entering the conversation for the top 6.
Maybe they're still not in the conversation because their last major trophy was the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup 56 years ago and their last domestic title was the FA Cup 70 years ago?
And yet still have one of the biggest fan bases in the country... It's not all about trophies pal. NUFC are still in the top 10 all time trophy list despite not winning anything in decades @@iaincrawford5595
18:55 Newcastle should be 17th in the Deloitte list, numerically. All the other teams appear in the numerical order of their respective earnings, but for some reason Newcastle have been bumped up to 15th even though Juventus and West Ham have higher earnings. Any one have an idea why that's happened?
Don't let it keep you up at night
And.. is Newcastle in the room with you right now?
LOL. The Big 6 has only ever been the Big 3 at most. Liverpool, Utd and Arsenal are the only ones who can claim to be genuinely elite. Chelsea and City are both West Ham-level clubs that get confused for being big because of their vast fortunes. And truly great clubs like Villa, Everton and Leeds have contributed far more to the game than Spurzzz ever will.
I would never understand the human mind, I'm getting mad at this stupid person speaking nonsense
as a liverpool fan calling chelsea and man city west ham level clubs is just so stupid.
@@mr.gullible2506 What does being a Liverpool fan have to do with anything? What a stupid comment...
Spurs have the 6th most trophies in the league. Villa, Everton and Leeds are all on longer trophy droughts than Spurs, and yet everyone takes the mick out of Spurs for being trophyless 😂😂
@@Dionysus66 LOL You've actually included the Community Shield to try and bump up the figure. What a Spursy thing to do... 🤣🤣🤣
Spurs have always been the poor cousin that fluked their way into the top 6. They are no bigger than Everton. That could easily be a club fighting relegation for a few years.
Looool bet Villa and Newcastle fans were getting their hopes up when seeing this... Just because your owned by an oil state, it doesn't make your club any bigger!
The City project has been completely blocked what your trying from happening again, so it doesn't work anymore. The money can only impact the club for so long before it bottlenecks and your fanbase & club status actually has to matter again. Keep on spending those billions and breaking those rules!
14:30
How can 'Big' and Spurs be in the same sentence? No Big 6 for years now, there is big 3 with possibly Chelsea catching City, Liverpool and Arsenal soon.
What you’re describing is a top 3. United are bigger than all of those clubs, only Liverpool have a claim to be at the same level of ‘big’
First we had the 'big 5', then a few years into the PL the media decided on the 'big 6'.
..Based on what though, fan base size? Finances? Historical success? Present success? Friends in high places?
Perception is everything, right?
Leeds won the league in the season before Prem was created, a big team.
Newcastle are the 3rd best performing team in the premier league after Man U & Arsenal, up until Bobby Robson leaves. Way ahead of Tottenham/City/Spurs in avg league position since Prem began in 92.
If Mike Ashley doesn't derail Newcastle, then we would undoubtedly be amongst this 'big six'. All that growth in those years he is running our club on a shoestring, those clubs grow and grow, while we stagnate. Even when we went down we walked the championship twice. Far to big a club for it.
We are just back to where we belong simply. The fan base, the stadium; it is a far bigger club than you are given it credit for in this video. There is no better fan base in the prem. The team just needs to break the duck and win a trophy, and it can be a far more organic version of City or Chelsea. More like a Liverpool with real authentic passionate northern soul.
In my youth Tottenham were a lower mid table team who played nice football and conceeded a lot of goals. They are back to what they should be
Lads, Tottenham are getting relegated. This will be compounded by Arsenal coming back from behind to win the title.
Spurs are part of the big 6, since when as they don't win anything???
Now now we're very inclusive here we don't pick on someone for being allergic to trophies
Spurs have the 6th most trophies in the league. Won a trophy more recently than Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Forest…. In fact Newcastles last trophy was in the fifties. THE FIFITIES. And no one is out there saying the Magpies are allergic to trophies?
@@Dionysus66 thanks for the history lesson. Allergies can be developed in later life.
@ lol