2:30 The reason why the design elements are coming from the Polaris is because of the change in how they approached ship building from a year and a half ago. In order to streamline the ship pipeline, they switched to concentrating on one manufacturer to build out the larger style asset library. Most of that will be used to create the bigger ship under that manufacturer to help address the backlog. The design language from there, along with the assets built, get used for the other a ships under it. The Zeus was the first ship to benefit from the Polaris which is why the Apollo will have ques from it too.
@@Insulinspike indeed and I do recall that discussion. I’m wondering if either the Ironclad or new starlancer hints at the next focused manufacturer. After RSI I mean, minus the Galaxy and maybe stuff like the Arastra it seems they’ll have done a good job with RSI ships, except reworks that need to go out.
Do you thin price plays into the decision if a ship gets a T2 or T2 medbed? For example the carrack and 600i (rumored to have one) at $400 have a T2 bed and all ships below this have T3. I am assuming this will cost between 200-250 so it should be a T3 if price plays into it. Hopefully we find out very soon!
@@TemplarGuardian The Carrack's contained and isolated medical bed should be a Tier 1 bed with the two remaining beds both being Tier 3 beds. That ship is meant to be a self sufficient deep explorer away from civlized areas.
I was just thinking aloud about how the Terrapin Medical is going to be a competitor to the Pisces or worse, the Cutty Red. Simply put, the Cutty Red is literally the perfect ambulance ship in the game right now. It has everything you need in one neat little package.
YEEEEES! 😍 I just hope The Apollo is exploration/multi-role too so I can use it for all those things instead of my Zeus which won't even fit a Nursa. 😐
Great review on the medical ships, love them all My Cutty Red will be upgraded to the Apollo Medivac I was once a Carrack owner, with the C8R in the roof, however a recent post on spectrum concerning the impossibility of just fixing even the cargo bay doors, cemented its fate for me, that and no npc crew for 1.0, and then the realisation of how solo gameplay vs multicrew will play out, but i digressed
@@UNBE4R4BLE thanks for sharing and I’ll have to look into that. I have a real soft spot for the Carrack but I’m slowly coming to turns that it will need to go once the Polaris comes out and CIG will probably give me no reason to ever look back at her.
Spectrum post 'CARRAcK October 26th at 9:46 pm can they ever just fix the carrack modular befor jumping to new ships ?>' LootGoblin gives a good rendition why the Carrack is a complete rework I'd post the url, but url's seem to be blackholed on YT for me I want to upgrade to the Polaris too..but some factors have left me questioning myself and CIG direction -No pilot weapons on Polaris, maybe even torpedos have own seat (i felt ship naked in my Carrack but still loved it) - fate of npc crew unknown until beyond 1.0 (1.0 could be years), with AI blades only...maybe they'll work ok, but not on manned turrets -solo vs multicrew gameplay, and how that will work with orgs At this point i've found peace in small to medium ships, uncertain about the faesibility of larger ships as a primarily industrial loop solo player
@@Vioblight yeah, that galaxy layout for the medical module is very nice. But it may lose out with the drone offerings that the Apollo may get, but who knows when they’ll remember to make the Galaxy
yeah agreed, it's a cool little ships, not the best for like SCU storage but better than most in capability currently. I guess a bed and restroom should be more important later.
Its funny that Cutty Red has a toilet without door. Really tells how much CIG actually put effort on developing it. I understand if it would be single seater and more military kind of ship.
@@blackh0l353 I know this will sound like a meme, but have u tried powering the cutty down then back up or even try the flight ready key after powering it down
A Cutty Red will be blown to pieces in a battlefield situation. Drake is made of tinfoil and duct tape. They go in after a situation not during. A Terrapin can go in under heavy fire and not go boom in a few seconds.
I'm not sure how big the fleet battle that the engine will actually allow, but I work on the assumption both sides or atleast the winner can come in after the battle. Hard to say for sure and part of the fun of deciding how to build out your fleet.
Like a in a modular way, that would be interesting but I would expect the Medical Terrapin to come as less expensive to the standard Terrapin but I imagine they'll detail that in a few weeks during IAE for the RSI days
@@Original_Moofaa yea, I left that part out because I suspect we won’t see those for awhile. They’re talking about drones more again but the medical ones were claimed to be very automated
The medical bed design is dumb. What is the point of having multiple beds? Treatment takes seconds. What is the point of having higher tier beds? Fixing more severe injuries is poinless when the lower tier bef can print you an entirely new body. There's no design space for making better medical ships actually better. Any ship with room for a Nursa will be a better option than an Apollo because it will be as good a medical ship as the Apollo but also be better at everything else. The drone med beds could change that if you can send them into a bunker to safely rescue someone or whatnot but we all know those aren't showing up any time soon.
@@Teiz83 yeah, they may announce a change to medical now that the nursa is for sale in game, but yes besides the range a T3 is generally just as good as T1. I doubt those drones will be ready on release
Information is interesting and relevant. If I understand correctly, the Apollo should be released in 2025 and with its "base" version, that is, 2 rooms with 3 beds each to treat Tier 1. Thereafter, we can "modulate" the rooms by replacing them with either a room with 2 beds nursing up to Tier 2 or "top of the top" with a room with 1 bed alone, but caring for all injuries. Is that a priori ?
It sounds like they wanted to just release the Tier 3 beds at first only, but it would be great if they released modules like they did with the Retaliator to offer 2 x Tier 2s or 1 x Tier 1.
@@rory-red not sure what the pricing will be yet but I would assume around the current Terrapin but I would hope it would be lower, but it probably won’t
If I was to guess, they will keep the Terrapin at a t3 bed and market it on it's increased defensive capabilities compared to C8R and Cutlass. As far as the Apollo is concerned, I hope it comes with it's modularity for the beds. Otherwise it is just a worse Cutty Red in the current state of the game.
Yes, good advice for new players - don’t buy a concept that has zero delivery date. I bought the Expanse for Pyro, but CIG have said nothing about that ship since its concept, and both its loaners, a Prospector and a Reliant Kore, are hangar queens as I moved away from mining. (The Reliants are buggy) Med ships: I’ve been flying a C8R since its launch, use it for bunker runs, it’s just able to carry a 2scu storage box. John Crewe has stated that he will do a brand update closer to IAE via ISC and SCL. Hope he does speak about the Apollo and the Connie gold standard
Indeed, unfortunately bunkers weren't working when I started so it killed that bunker running plan for me, but it's always been a great little useful ship. maybe a loaner could be good for a concept but yeah, the releases have been so hit or miss. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@XShadowAngel My logic, when I bought the Expanse concept, was that Pyro is 4x the size of Stanton, and my org mates who mine would need a mobile refinery. This is before CIG introduced the Arrastra and the Galaxy refining module, so it’s likely the Expanse will launch after the Galaxy, and the only reason I’m holding on to the Expanse now is so I can melt it when it gets a price rise at launch, likely less than $50.
I am really confused about the medical Terrapin though. The exterior looks heavily modified, and 2 medical ships within a year? Are they planning to finally continue work on the medical system? Cause "click to fix everything" is not my idea of medical gameplay, heck even healers in traditional MMORPGs have more depths.
@@COMMANDERHAWK22 I can see it costing more to try and get more out of it through sales but I think it would actually net more at a lower price. But, you’re probably right at the 200 mark, making it a better in game buy mid next year.
@@alandab CIG has missed that poor ship too. Yeah, I was more focused on the ships meant to be mainly medical ships but yup the Carrack and 890 both have beds that are actually better and the Polaris should too
On your comment from a design and safety aspect about turning the Apollo's reception area into a lift for a Nursa would not be wise. You would in essence be exposing the ship interior including the medical bays to the environment should that lift be opened on the planet and or in space. A smarter method would be to back the Nursa up to the rear ramp and transport the patient though a clean room (air lock) before entering the ship. With that said, both the Nursa and Apollo (at launch) will just have Tier 3 beds. So, there would never be a reason to even transport a patient to the Apollo. If they have a Tier 2 or 1 injury, you need to get them onto a fast ship to an Endeavor, LZ hospital or call in a priest to administer "Last Rights".
I think the nurse comment is to really just get the folks to the medbay, but ultimately they should get drones, but who know how long that will take. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I definitely like the idea of taking existing ships and creating variants. Not again new ships mind you, but with over 120 playable ships in the game, many can be reworked or should be reworked with new features and updated to the gold standard prior to creating new ships. The Apollo for instance, nice looking ship, and something needed in the game, but a Valkyrie could fit the same role in a medivac variant. I think for most players this would be just as exciting about upgrades and reworks to existing ships as the appearing of new ones.
I move 1 scu box inside of C8R, and place it close to the table, so I have space to walk in and out without a problem. Cutty Red is my favourite but medical section is awfull. Waste of space everywhere, and medical beds looks like stole from grim Hex hospital and duct taped to cargo grid. Very low standard even for a Drake ship.
@@TemplarGuardian indeed. I would love to see reworked Cutlasses. Also exploration variant with better interrior, radar and bigger fuel tanks would be great. But this is only my wishes.
I love the look of this ship. My opinion is that, with the current iteration of medical gameplay it's relatively useless when you can just use a Med Pisces or Cutty Red. Once Death of a Spaceman comes out, maybe we'll have a use for it.
YAYYYYY more ships and no game HAHA - in fact SC is a ship selling operation, the game is just something you can test what you wasted your hard earned money on LOL i have learned this first hand over the last few years
I only talked about in game pricing and even mentioned the Terrapin will probably be too expensive, so dunno what you're on about. Just happy to see them coming to the game
@@Thearmiktz I get his point because there are a lot of ship salesman out there, but I'm just trying not to be that guy. I get excited about ships just like everyone else, but I do my best not to push them. Thanks, I think most see I'm trying not to push ships, some may buy some off of what I have said but I'm really just trying to share info as balanced as I can.
@@Thearmiktz One other thing, I actually made a vid talking about the Zeus and how it's closer in price to the Taurus compared to the C1. Not that anyone shouldn't like the new Zeus but the Taurus is just better in almost every way, except it needs another pass and is old. I see them as different classes but folks like to call the zeus a connie killer and it's just not. Even at it's warbond discount it's only $5s closer to the C1 compared to the Taurus.
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2:30 The reason why the design elements are coming from the Polaris is because of the change in how they approached ship building from a year and a half ago. In order to streamline the ship pipeline, they switched to concentrating on one manufacturer to build out the larger style asset library. Most of that will be used to create the bigger ship under that manufacturer to help address the backlog. The design language from there, along with the assets built, get used for the other a ships under it. The Zeus was the first ship to benefit from the Polaris which is why the Apollo will have ques from it too.
@@Insulinspike indeed and I do recall that discussion. I’m wondering if either the Ironclad or new starlancer hints at the next focused manufacturer. After RSI I mean, minus the Galaxy and maybe stuff like the Arastra it seems they’ll have done a good job with RSI ships, except reworks that need to go out.
@@TemplarGuardian Don't forget the Perseus in the same assets lineup as it be built also because of the Polaris.
I assume the terrapin will have a t2 bed. To be competitive with the 2 t3 beds of the cutty red, and make it a proper step up from the c8r.
That's what I was thinking as well, even 1 tier 1 would be awesome but highly unlikely
Do you thin price plays into the decision if a ship gets a T2 or T2 medbed? For example the carrack and 600i (rumored to have one) at $400 have a T2 bed and all ships below this have T3. I am assuming this will cost between 200-250 so it should be a T3 if price plays into it. Hopefully we find out very soon!
@@TemplarGuardian This is why i am excited for the Apollo, I want a T1 medbed so I can stay out and go to stations very little!
@@TemplarGuardian The Carrack's contained and isolated medical bed should be a Tier 1 bed with the two remaining beds both being Tier 3 beds. That ship is meant to be a self sufficient deep explorer away from civlized areas.
I was just thinking aloud about how the Terrapin Medical is going to be a competitor to the Pisces or worse, the Cutty Red. Simply put, the Cutty Red is literally the perfect ambulance ship in the game right now. It has everything you need in one neat little package.
Cant wait for the Nurtle
@@Boss-zo4lw that’s a new one that I haven’t seen yet
YEEEEES! 😍
I just hope The Apollo is exploration/multi-role too so I can use it for all those things instead of my Zeus which won't even fit a Nursa. 😐
@@j.d.4697 they didn’t mention any kind of special sensors that I can recall but looking forward to an update, maybe even at iae
Great review on the medical ships, love them all
My Cutty Red will be upgraded to the Apollo Medivac
I was once a Carrack owner, with the C8R in the roof, however a recent post on spectrum concerning the impossibility of just fixing even the cargo bay doors, cemented its fate for me, that and no npc crew for 1.0, and then the realisation of how solo gameplay vs multicrew will play out, but i digressed
@@UNBE4R4BLE thanks for sharing and I’ll have to look into that. I have a real soft spot for the Carrack but I’m slowly coming to turns that it will need to go once the Polaris comes out and CIG will probably give me no reason to ever look back at her.
Spectrum post 'CARRAcK
October 26th at 9:46 pm
can they ever just fix the carrack modular befor jumping to new ships ?>'
LootGoblin gives a good rendition why the Carrack is a complete rework
I'd post the url, but url's seem to be blackholed on YT for me
I want to upgrade to the Polaris too..but some factors have left me questioning myself and CIG direction
-No pilot weapons on Polaris, maybe even torpedos have own seat (i felt ship naked in my Carrack but still loved it)
- fate of npc crew unknown until beyond 1.0 (1.0 could be years), with AI blades only...maybe they'll work ok, but not on manned turrets
-solo vs multicrew gameplay, and how that will work with orgs
At this point i've found peace in small to medium ships, uncertain about the faesibility of larger ships as a primarily industrial loop solo player
Very cool. Galaxy in 10. Years tho with medical module 😎
@@Vioblight yeah, that galaxy layout for the medical module is very nice. But it may lose out with the drone offerings that the Apollo may get, but who knows when they’ll remember to make the Galaxy
I got the C8R because its a great little run around faster that the other C8's too. just the Qt drive is very loud
yeah agreed, it's a cool little ships, not the best for like SCU storage but better than most in capability currently. I guess a bed and restroom should be more important later.
I love my curry red, it was my daily driver until the screens when black and I can no longer use!
It's definitely something I need to use a bit more, it's a cool medium ship
Damn! I thought I was the only one with this problem, some bug with my monitor's resolution
Its funny that Cutty Red has a toilet without door. Really tells how much CIG actually put effort on developing it. I understand if it would be single seater and more military kind of ship.
I was told you could store your amour, strip and backspace, then respawn in the Red as a work around. I haven't tried it yet.
@@blackh0l353 I know this will sound like a meme, but have u tried powering the cutty down then back up or even try the flight ready key after powering it down
Wouldnt "terramedic" have a better ring?
@@user-ky8je2qj3z probably, medapin would probably get confused with medpins but who knows what folks will go with
A Cutty Red will be blown to pieces in a battlefield situation. Drake is made of tinfoil and duct tape. They go in after a situation not during. A Terrapin can go in under heavy fire and not go boom in a few seconds.
The cutty red can shoot back though.
I'm not sure how big the fleet battle that the engine will actually allow, but I work on the assumption both sides or atleast the winner can come in after the battle. Hard to say for sure and part of the fun of deciding how to build out your fleet.
@@Needlesse
So it can deal a little bit of damage to whoever will blow it up within 3 seconds, great...
Terrapin is a medical combat evacuation vehicle
No log out bed or seats for crew lol. Hard pass
i love the terrapin, do you think you will be able to upgrade from that to the medapin?
Like a in a modular way, that would be interesting but I would expect the Medical Terrapin to come as less expensive to the standard Terrapin but I imagine they'll detail that in a few weeks during IAE for the RSI days
Medipin!
Medipin is better but I still I prefer Murtle
Also not mentioned here is that the Apollo is also supposed to have rescue drones.
@@Original_Moofaa yea, I left that part out because I suspect we won’t see those for awhile. They’re talking about drones more again but the medical ones were claimed to be very automated
The medical bed design is dumb.
What is the point of having multiple beds? Treatment takes seconds.
What is the point of having higher tier beds? Fixing more severe injuries is poinless when the lower tier bef can print you an entirely new body.
There's no design space for making better medical ships actually better. Any ship with room for a Nursa will be a better option than an Apollo because it will be as good a medical ship as the Apollo but also be better at everything else.
The drone med beds could change that if you can send them into a bunker to safely rescue someone or whatnot but we all know those aren't showing up any time soon.
@@Teiz83 yeah, they may announce a change to medical now that the nursa is for sale in game, but yes besides the range a T3 is generally just as good as T1. I doubt those drones will be ready on release
Every time I see this ship, I think it looks like a basted dinner bird. Also, pollo is chicken in spanish. We are looking at a pollo.
@@vpher like el pollo loco
I like the medical ships and vehicles
I really do to, I remain hopefully they add some missions for it
Information is interesting and relevant. If I understand correctly, the Apollo should be released in 2025 and with its "base" version, that is, 2 rooms with 3 beds each to treat Tier 1.
Thereafter, we can "modulate" the rooms by replacing them with either a room with 2 beds nursing up to Tier 2 or "top of the top" with a room with 1 bed alone, but caring for all injuries.
Is that a priori ?
It sounds like they wanted to just release the Tier 3 beds at first only, but it would be great if they released modules like they did with the Retaliator to offer 2 x Tier 2s or 1 x Tier 1.
@@TemplarGuardian My dream
I end up CCU up to the Medipen get it for 40 bucks with LTI.
@@rory-red not sure what the pricing will be yet but I would assume around the current Terrapin but I would hope it would be lower, but it probably won’t
If I was to guess, they will keep the Terrapin at a t3 bed and market it on it's increased defensive capabilities compared to C8R and Cutlass.
As far as the Apollo is concerned, I hope it comes with it's modularity for the beds. Otherwise it is just a worse Cutty Red in the current state of the game.
@@benjamincade yeah, it will depend on how much folks may value those medical drones that would possibly come at a later date
Yes, good advice for new players - don’t buy a concept that has zero delivery date. I bought the Expanse for Pyro, but CIG have said nothing about that ship since its concept, and both its loaners, a Prospector and a Reliant Kore, are hangar queens as I moved away from mining. (The Reliants are buggy)
Med ships: I’ve been flying a C8R since its launch, use it for bunker runs, it’s just able to carry a 2scu storage box.
John Crewe has stated that he will do a brand update closer to IAE via ISC and SCL. Hope he does speak about the Apollo and the Connie gold standard
Indeed, unfortunately bunkers weren't working when I started so it killed that bunker running plan for me, but it's always been a great little useful ship. maybe a loaner could be good for a concept but yeah, the releases have been so hit or miss. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Refining isn't on player ships yet, so the Expanse is kind of pointless. It'll come.
@@XShadowAngel My logic, when I bought the Expanse concept, was that Pyro is 4x the size of Stanton, and my org mates who mine would need a mobile refinery. This is before CIG introduced the Arrastra and the Galaxy refining module, so it’s likely the Expanse will launch after the Galaxy, and the only reason I’m holding on to the Expanse now is so I can melt it when it gets a price rise at launch, likely less than $50.
I am really confused about the medical Terrapin though. The exterior looks heavily modified, and 2 medical ships within a year? Are they planning to finally continue work on the medical system? Cause "click to fix everything" is not my idea of medical gameplay, heck even healers in traditional MMORPGs have more depths.
@@j.d.4697 I would be surprised if they made any major medical changes but they might now that the nursa is for sale in game
I can almost garentee the medical teripin will cost slightly more or slightly less then the base but it wont drop below $200.
@@COMMANDERHAWK22 I can see it costing more to try and get more out of it through sales but I think it would actually net more at a lower price. But, you’re probably right at the 200 mark, making it a better in game buy mid next year.
We now have so many medical ships and no medical game play.
@@Patch1xo yup, I’m hoping they may have an update for that but medical gameplay needs some attention
I wonder if it can fit an ursa medevac in the ramp area
@@azca. not sure it will be wide enough but I have a feeling the depth won’t be enough
You missed the current best medical ship in the game...the Carrack.
@@alandab CIG has missed that poor ship too. Yeah, I was more focused on the ships meant to be mainly medical ships but yup the Carrack and 890 both have beds that are actually better and the Polaris should too
On your comment from a design and safety aspect about turning the Apollo's reception area into a lift for a Nursa would not be wise. You would in essence be exposing the ship interior including the medical bays to the environment should that lift be opened on the planet and or in space. A smarter method would be to back the Nursa up to the rear ramp and transport the patient though a clean room (air lock) before entering the ship. With that said, both the Nursa and Apollo (at launch) will just have Tier 3 beds. So, there would never be a reason to even transport a patient to the Apollo. If they have a Tier 2 or 1 injury, you need to get them onto a fast ship to an Endeavor, LZ hospital or call in a priest to administer "Last Rights".
I think the nurse comment is to really just get the folks to the medbay, but ultimately they should get drones, but who know how long that will take. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I definitely like the idea of taking existing ships and creating variants. Not again new ships mind you, but with over 120 playable ships in the game, many can be reworked or should be reworked with new features and updated to the gold standard prior to creating new ships. The Apollo for instance, nice looking ship, and something needed in the game, but a Valkyrie could fit the same role in a medivac variant. I think for most players this would be just as exciting about upgrades and reworks to existing ships as the appearing of new ones.
@@jerryscaptures2438 yes, that seems like a quick win for cig
Not Medapin, it's Turtlevac
@@Ryky I also liked docTur
Without Tier 1 bed it's DOA.
@@rasta77-x7o well for now folks can just respawn at T3s, so the T1s may come along when they change that back
I move 1 scu box inside of C8R, and place it close to the table, so I have space to walk in and out without a problem.
Cutty Red is my favourite but medical section is awfull. Waste of space everywhere, and medical beds looks like stole from grim Hex hospital and duct taped to cargo grid. Very low standard even for a Drake ship.
@@qutatron thanks for sharing, I’ll have to try that with the C8R. And, I hope they rework all the cuttys one day
@@TemplarGuardian indeed. I would love to see reworked Cutlasses. Also exploration variant with better interrior, radar and bigger fuel tanks would be great. But this is only my wishes.
@@qutatron I don’t think you’re alone with that list
I love the look of this ship. My opinion is that, with the current iteration of medical gameplay it's relatively useless when you can just use a Med Pisces or Cutty Red. Once Death of a Spaceman comes out, maybe we'll have a use for it.
Yeah, It's a good looking ship, the price is high but we'll see what the release cost will be
Medical gameplay makes no sense without personal reputation. Im not interested in jumptown events or orgs war.
Bro Apollo has been "coming" for a decade. Making ships multi role is like making a dump truck an ambulance.
YAYYYYY more ships and no game HAHA - in fact SC is a ship selling operation, the game is just something you can test what you wasted your hard earned money on LOL i have learned this first hand over the last few years
Another ship salesman! 😂 .. stop it!
I only talked about in game pricing and even mentioned the Terrapin will probably be too expensive, so dunno what you're on about. Just happy to see them coming to the game
@@TemplarGuardian I like how he has only one like. Like he is looking for approval using his own account. Nice.
Great video as always bro o7
@@Thearmiktz I get his point because there are a lot of ship salesman out there, but I'm just trying not to be that guy. I get excited about ships just like everyone else, but I do my best not to push them. Thanks, I think most see I'm trying not to push ships, some may buy some off of what I have said but I'm really just trying to share info as balanced as I can.
@@TemplarGuardian and it's super appreciated. TY for your hard work.
@@Thearmiktz One other thing, I actually made a vid talking about the Zeus and how it's closer in price to the Taurus compared to the C1. Not that anyone shouldn't like the new Zeus but the Taurus is just better in almost every way, except it needs another pass and is old. I see them as different classes but folks like to call the zeus a connie killer and it's just not. Even at it's warbond discount it's only $5s closer to the C1 compared to the Taurus.