Will the Banshee Incident Cause Changes in Park Policies? Buy or Sell, Episode 31
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- It's time for Buy or Sell Episode 31, where I respond to your theories and predictions for the theme park world.
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i just wanted to say, as someone who works at valleyfair, excalliburr is NOT planned to be removed anytime soon. the park just spent 2-4 mil on it for a whole new pannel. excallibur was also built to wistand flooding. its not going anywhere. i have talked to raul (park manager) and he also confirmed that excallibur is not planned for removal and not even on the radar.
@@Renegade_Kyle so the park has zero plans to be relevant is what you’re telling me?
@@marcusmcgraw3519 it's a smaller park, they have no intentions of being "relevant". Fame isn't everything, sugar cube.
@@marcusmcgraw3519Don’t they have other plots of land at the park that they could use for future development?
@@marcusmcgraw3519sounds like valley fair LMAO😂
@@marcusmcgraw3519 brother they’re planning a coaster for 2026
Video idea: A baseball theme, “3 Strikes, You’re Out”. A countdown of parks with the 3 worst coasters. Plus a follow-up , “Grandslam” a countdown of parks with 4 top coasters. Like 3 hits and a home run of a coaster. Maybe around World Series time it can be made. 👍🏻
I like this idea, some parks could have both also. Canadas Wonderland has three strikes (Minebuster, Time Warp, Flight Deck) and a Grand Slam (Bohemoth, Vortex, Yukon Striker, Leviathan)
Buy or sell: the six flags / cedar point merge will have “regional” passes (ex: “northeast pass” that grants you seasonal access to Great adventure, dorney park & New England but not magic mountain bc it’s in the west)
And obviously there would still be one large pass that grants access to all parks
A California region pass would also be great.
I would also love regional passes
There absolutely needs to be a pass for SF Great America, CP, and KI.
@@brianfoss571it's probably just SF Great America and Michigan's Adventure lol
@@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois Why? You do realize there are people who live in Indiana who visit these parks, right?
Buy or sell: kings island will replace vortex with a Mack extreme spinner by 2030
They do have a spinner as an option in a survey. But, as a shuttle type. It needs to be a full circuit imo.
@@pipepicasso8112 yeah I agree
you want kings island to forget to screw the seats in so everybody falls out and dies?
I've been saying/hoping for this for a few years now. That is the one coaster that KI needs to get people to come. They need to do it soon though, before another park in the US gets one. The novelty alone is going to bring people. Anything else is just meh. Like, another B&M in the park???? Really???? No. Go with the extreme spinner to get more tickets sold.
@@BackRowCoasters yo hello BRC :O
I was at kings island over the weekend and saw someone in handcuffs in camp snoopy. Rumor has it he sat his kid over the fence to get his phone from under woodstocks air rail. This was just the story I got from people who were at the scene and it has not been on any of our local news outlets so far. From what I heard, No one was injured thankfully. If true I’d say a change will be on the horizon at least at KI.
What are they supoosed to do though? Make the fences 10' tall? Put barbed wire on top of them??? Idiots will be idiots, and screw them. Darwin awards for all of them who jump a fence woth a sign saying Danger on it, while around machines that have zero control while they are out on track. No. I say make people take an IQ test to get in. If your IQ is higher than room temperature, you can come in. If its around your shoe size, sorry about your luck, dummy.
I worked Disney Attractions for 9 years. When I first started the Cast Members told me the dumb things Guests would do. I thought that nobody was that stupid. I was proven wrong!
Been on banshee like 5 times since the accident. Nothing has changed. I feel like they wouldn't have reopened if they were changing things.
Black Diamond at Knoebels feels like a ride that happened because someone got really high while watching a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie.
The mine museum next to it is more thrilling
@@ItsAllGood_ it’s just a funny ride of all time. Themed to centralia and I dig how they tied it into local history.
Buy or Sell: Kings Dominion's next coaster (after the B&M Wing) will be a Vekoma Family Boomerang, following the footsteps of Kings Island
Buy
Sell. Kings Dominion knows it has to compete with Busch Gardens Williamsburg, and a family coaster wont do in this instance
KI is getting a water coaster, so that is an option too.
@@pipepicasso8112 Water park additions don't count.
Buy!
Buy or sell fun spot Atlanta will get a new roller coaster in the next 3ish years
Sell. They need an ROI first for AF1. But the next 5 years…. I can see it.
@@karlmanning2603 they need to advertise a lot more than one or two signs on the Atlanta highway then they will have ROI in no time
Sell: there is no way Arieforce Qne already payed itself off enough
Buy or sell: The vekoma track at Six Flags Mexico turns out not to be a tilt coaster
Sell
Sell
Buy
Sell
Buy: I don't really think its going to happen and the concept seems a little silly to me
Buy or sell: Blazing Fury at Dollywood would get the same overhaul as Fire In The Hole
Buy
Buy or Sell: Michigan's Adventure will get six flags branding in 2-3 years to raise popularity
Buy!
Buy or sell: Grizzly at Kings Dominion gets its final third re-tracked this winter
saying this because I got my first ride on it last weekend, and the last third was ungodly rough after the first half was butter smooth
Sell
Lol ya rode earlier this year and it's so obvious where the tracking stopped. I would hope they finish the job, cuz why even bother starting the project just to tease your back into thinking it's safe?
No views in 45 seconds! Channel is falling off.
JK, just wanted to follow a trend.
Buy or Sell: Michigans Adventure will get the Six Flags rebrand but Great Escape and LaRonde will get a Cedar Fair rebrand.
Buy
@@strongarm_11 that’s a good one!
I'd sell. Six Flags already confirmed that no parks are getting a rebrand.
Sell, six flags has confirmed that there will be no planned name changes
Buy or Sell: DC Theming will be at all the former Cedar Fair parks by 2028.
Also the smaller parks get the Peanuts theming!
Sell
I'd buy. Why wouldn't they add DC theming to the Cedar Fair parks?
I’d be mixed. Cedar Point, for example should keep the major coasters the same with theming, and keep Camp Snoopy at one end and a DC themed kids one instead of Kiddy Kingdom and Planet Snoopy at the other end
That's too many parks to revamp in too short of a time. I can see dc being added to more parks eventually but considering they haven't even bothered adding DC to Darien Lake since they reacquired it I doubt it's making its way to very many cedar fair parks
Snoopy contract won't allow that
Buy or sell: six flags and cedar fairs merger causes michigans adventure, and six flags America to be sold of
Buy
I don’t see either of them being sold, MiA doesn’t have any competition, and sfa makes good money
@@forzaguy1252SFA is on land that costs a lot
I don't think Michigans Adventure is going anywhere. I've heard around a few times that it's profit margins are a lot higher than other parks in the chain. Only way it'd go is if the land is super valuable or something like that.
@@a_human_person Buy too
Buy or sell hersheypark is going to add a family launch coaster in the next 5 years
Buy
Buy Or Sell, Kennywood is going to announce a new coaster by 2026
I do think it's feasible for a premier to pull off a rollercoaster in that park
Buy or Sell: Kings Island will eventually give Boo Blasters the Iron Reef treatment and get sally dark rides to revive the phantom theater, while keeping the interactive system.
Buy or Sell: As a result of Universal Uk, Merlin start giving Legoland Windsor frequent additions.
Buy
They’re already doing that
Video idea…. Ultimate home park coasters…. The coasters that aren’t “that good” but are gushed over by the locals.
Buy or Sell: The Golden Bear theater at SFMM will become a new major thrill coaster
(Edit: and not a family/kiddie coaster)
Buy
Buy
Sell
Sell. Magic Mountain would benefit more from a family-thrill coaster. Especially since that plot is across from Bugs Bunny World.
Sell
Thanks for featuring my comment, I feel honored to be mentioned in an Airtime Thrills video
Buy or sell:
Lagoon breaks the in house coaster streak and the next major addition is an RMC rapter.
There was never a streak. It was revealed that ART built the last two coasters.
@@erinsmith7372 that was never a secret, they were designed in house and Art helped with manufacturing and trains
@@erinsmith7372 no that not all true lagoon built 75% of cannibal while ART did the other 25% of the ride which makes it mostly made in house
Buy or sell: the next big coaster for Knotts will be a b&m hyper
Buy
Buy or sell: Great Escape getting bobsled this year (2024) was to bolster the parks lineup, in order make it more appealing to potential buyers after the merger (if they choose to sell it)
Buy
Sell. None of the parks that received recent investment are going anywhere. The park has also seen recent investment besides Bobcat, mostly in refurbishment of older rides, and improvements to park appearance. The property also includes the hotel and indoor waterpark, which are open year round. The fact that it provides a stream of revenue year-round is alone enough reason for it to be worth keeping.
@@collinparsons3363I also have a feeling they might get something possibly next year. I’m thinking flat ride is most likely maybe the water park.
Buy or sell: An amusement park around Nashville opens up in the next 7-12 years. (I need this as the closest amusement park to me is over 2 hours away!)
That is interesting. Are there any small parks that could be expanded on? I think it’s hard to start a major park from scratch.
@@pipepicasso8112 beach bend but I don’t think anything is happening to that
Sell
Unfortunately we are in no man's land. We're too close to Holiday World, Kentucky Kingdom, Six Flags Over Georgia, Dollywood and even Kings Island and Six Flags St Louis for anyone to build near us.
F&^&k would I hate metal detectors appearing at Kings Island rides.
They are such a hasal and hamper to operation speed.
Buy or sell: SFMM gets a Vekoma tilt coaster in the next 2 years, replacing the golden bear theatre.
Buy or sell: Kings Island announces a major coaster as a replacement for Vortex in late 2024, but with an opening date of 2026.
Buy or sell: Magic mountains next coaster will be more towards the family side, maybe a launched straddle coaster
Sell
Buy or Sell: Thunderation at Silver Dollar City will get completely removed instead of getting a refurbishment like FITH did within 5-10 years
Buy
Buy or sell: Cat in the Hat at IOA is rethemed to the Lorax within 5 years
That’s the main character of Dr Suess stop haha just fix the ride up!
Buy Or Sell: Kings Dominion Will Build A Major Launch Coaster.
Buy or sell: Kings Island's next coaster to be taken down will be Bat or Invertigo
Buy or Sell: the new Space Mountain at Tokyo Disneyland is so well received that it gets replicated to replace one of the Space Mountains at the other Disney parks
Buy
I think it mostly depends on whether Disney can afford to do anything substantial anywhere going forward. They've got a lot of plans in the works already and their financial situation isn't great right now.
Remember, Tokyo exists in a totally separate bubble when it comes to funding: the resort is not owned by Disney but by OLC, who contracts out to Disney for Imagineering and IP, and tends to be more generous with capital than Disney is. And some of their attractions may even be designed under an exclusivity agreement.
Buy or sell: Disney or Universal will get an RMC coaster of some sort sometime within the next decade.
Sell
Those types of roller coasters would be very hard to theme
@@vegiemonstrfire in the hole?
Stop lmao
Definitely sell in my opinion. Those parks need absolute capacity machines from reliable and established manufacturers and RMC isn’t really either of those. If you watch El Toro Ryan’s video on SteVe, he talks about how its capacity isn’t what it should’ve been and that alone would put them off
Buy or sell: Silver Bullet at Knott‘s will get a major refurbishment in the next 5 years.
Banshee is the best B&M invert
Definitely!
Montu and After burn > Banshee
Sell ;-)
Alpengist
Love your content, you’re the best coaster TH-camr
Buy or Sell: six flags America will get a Vekoma boomerang by 2030
Thank you for featuring me on this video! And I agree, I don’t think they’d open another coaster within 5 years
Hot take: this accident was a prime example of FAFO
The park was literally closing in an hour.
Buy or Sell:
Mack rides designs a giga coaster within 3 years based off the success of Hyperia after it was fixed
Buy or sell: (previously) Cedar Fair will change their mind about the Shuttle Mack Extreme Spinner and go with a full layout for one of the parks.
Buy or sell: Sophie will hit 1000 coaster credits by the time she is 22
Fast approaching 300
Buy or sell: Top thrill 2 has so many problems that cedar point decided that they have to close it for good.
Buy
Buy. They should have worked with Intamin again, Intamin knew the ride inside and out already. Cedar Fair's bad blood with other companies is beginning to compromise their own bottom line
Give intamin one more chance at least! To much money invested at this point. They learned their lesson and intamin is laughing with their falcons flight money!
@@Brandon-qd2lb Ever hear of the sunk cost fallacy??
@@duncanidaho84 that doesn’t apply here. Intamin has direct experience with the ride and knows it inside and out. It was the best choice for the job, regardless of sunk cost and Cedar Fair’s bad blood with Intamin itself
Buy or sell: Dollywood's next coaster is a b&m hyper with inversions
I love the idea, but I’m selling that. I have never seen a B&M hyper with inversions (although Alpengeist comes VERY close), and I don’t think Dollywood could market something like that with Wild Eagle in the same park.
Buy or Sell: Skyline Attractions will build a new coaster before S&S does. (Excluding one's currently under construction)
Buy or Sell: We will see RMC conversions happen at former Cedar Fair parks again because of the merge
After asking a worker at Kentucky kingdom they said that Kentucky kingdom will get something new for 2025! They said they don’t know what though sadly, but let’s hope it’s a launched coaster!
Valleyfair park gm Raul has told me that he does not have any plans to remove Excalibur until there is a worthy replacement in that plot of land. Which with it being in a floodplain, wouldn’t make sense to build a new coaster there. He also said that Steel Venom will be around as long as they can get/make parts for it. He said the holding brake will stay as long as Steel Venom is around as well. He did point out that the old Dinosaurs Alive plot is perfect for a new coaster, and they have more land besides that! Cedar Fair had big plans for Valleyfair, and I don’t see that being changed! Excalibur, Steel Venom, and High Roller all have gotten new systems within the last few years. Valleyfair has more money and potential than everyone thinks!
Buy or Sell: The Boss at Six Flags St Louis will be removed in the next 5-10 years and be replaced by a B&M Hyper Coaster.
B&M Hypers are super easy to make room for if a park wants one. They only need to take up a super narrow sliver of land in the parks. It doesn't make much sense for them to remove one of their biggest coasters for one they'd have room for elsewhere in the park.
B&M might be a bit out of Six Flags St Louis' price range. Vekoma or Chance might be more fitting.
That being said, no. They still have enough room along the edge of the park for a hyper with a slim layout. It won't be necessary to tear down The Boss for that.
Buy
@@stevenstice6683even something from Vekoma or Mack could work if they choose to go in that direction.
i had just left kings island and i wake up the next day at my house, hearing the guy got hit by banshee, we were talking about raptors incident on the drive back home
Best thing to do if you lose something. Go to guest services and they will retrieve it if possible when the park closes. I’ve lost my wallet and have had family lose other items and got a call almost every time saying they found it and just had it mailed to me if I wasn’t in the area.
Buy or sell: Six flags will close scream and convert riddlers revenge to a floorless coaster within the next 10-15 years.
Axis coaster looks like a maintenance nightmare
i always appreciate you having the title timestamped. ive never skipped to it, but i know that plenty of people probably do. great episode as always!
Thanks! I dont want to fool people into clicking on something and then make them search for the headline topic, I know a lot of people are drawn in for that and only that when they click
Buy or Sell: Six Flags begins to put new experimental coasters in their smaller parks after the merger (such as SF Mexico)
Buy or sell: The rip ride rocket will become part of minion land USA.
Buy or sell: We will finally get an inversion over 200 feet in the air within the next 5 years.
We will, Spitfire at Six Flags Qiddiya will feature a 239 foot inverting top hat
Buy or sell: with the new cedar fair and six flags merge, they shut down/back out their contracts with the smaller parks like Frontier City and Darien Lake
Buy
They don’t own Frontier just manage it. Same with Darien Lake. So close it no, but decided to back out of the contract yes.
Buy or sell viper at magic mountain will be either removed or completely retracted in the next 5-10 years
@@jonahhanlon8234 I hope someone buys it, but didn't know who, matching terrain would really help
RE Great Escape : I rode Steamin’ Demon yesterday. It start to show it's age. It short and it's rough. Replace it with a Raptor clone and this park would be perfect. It's the perfect model for this park **chef kiss**
I have no issues with lockers if they're like the lockers on Velocicoaster. I can deal with not having my stuff with me in line. My bigger annoyances are when lockers cost money and aren't near the ride.
Buy or Sell: Holiday World replaces their old rapids ride with a new-gen intamin or res one like Mystic River Falls
Buy. This is my top pick for their next major addition after Good Gravy. It would be such a good fit for that park, and it would give the 4th of July section a great signature ride
Voltron is Mack's most complete coaster, but ride to happiness is just such a fun ride experience it can't be topped personally. But they're quite literally my 1 and 2 over the 150+ coasters I've done in the US, including almost every elite coaster east of the mississippi.
I went to Kings Island today, didn’t seem like there wasn’t too many changes, other than maybe them deciding not to use the train that hit the guy because most rides were running 3 trains but not banshee so that was weird
They probably are still investigating the accident and the train is evidence, then a thorough going over before it gets on the track, at least a month, maybe end of season.
Buy or sell: the outdated circus circus hotel will get demolished in the next 5 years meaning the end for Adventuredome
That’s still there?😂
About 3 years ago I was at kennywood and some guy went into the area where the final airtime hills are to try and get his phone back
All the ones you never hear about
Buy or Sell: In the next ten years we will see the removal of Invertigo, Congo Falls, and Timberwolf Amphitheatre at Kings Island for a new coaster and a retheme of Action Zone to a horror theme.
I think you mean The Bat. And I hope not. Hopefully, it’s the last Arrow suspended left standing.
@@pipepicasso8112 Oops, I meant Invertigo. I really hope The Bat doesn't leave anytime soon it's a fun coaster and fits well into the horror theme with Banshee.
Video idea: will Superman Escape From Krypton reopen after sustaining damage from the brushfire.
Buy or sell: Rmc hurler at Carowinds will never happen due to six flags and cedar fair not working with rmc
Buy Or Sell: SeaWorld San Diego will get a surf coaster as their next coaster by 2026
Buy or sell: a cedar fair park gets a dc themed roller coaster before 2029
I hope not. Let the cedar fair parks keep their identity.
I hate to say it! But I do think this is possible… Buy
Vekoma's aren't as cheap as you think with their new stuff, it's not the old Vekoma, The KI total project cost was 10M for a small family/kids coaster.That's probably why US parks haven't been buying much of the new Vekoma stuff, it's not that significantly less than other manufactures. So without a big cost savings like in the past with inexpensive Boomerangs and SLCs, Vekoma aren't the slam dunk to get an inexpensive coaster.
Thank you for using my buy or sell prediction!!!
Buy or sell: When the tower at Magic Mountain reopens (Likely 2026), it will be a passholder lounge
Buy or sell: Disneyland Matterhorn will get a full retrack before the park turns 100, or before the ride turns 80 years old
Buy or sell: the vakoma track found at six flags Mexico is the vakoma tilt coaster that energylandia was going to get
As a banshee ride i WISH we had our article policy changed, its an absolute PAIN for not only guests but employees as well
Ride op* lol
I'm personally going to buy adding more metal detectors because I see parks in general going for the easy "fix", but I _want_ to sell it, because a better option would be to put in climb-proof fencing of some sort to keep people out of the ride areas. If people are able to climb those fences then that tells me the fences are insufficient.
If The Smiler thought us anything, it's that people probably don't want a roller coaster to go upside down fourteen times. That record is safe.
Buy or Sell: Six flags over texas will receive a major roller coaster investment within the next 5-10 years
Buy or sell: Blackpool Pleasure Beach will get a Mack coaster within the next 5 years
Buy or Sell: the B&M family launch coaster (Penguin Trek) is unable to compete with what the other manufacturers have to offer that demographic, and they don’t end up selling another one.
Buy or sell: Michigan’s Adventure will receive a new coaster within the next 5 years
@@ThrillsInvented They should send one of CGA's coasters over to Michigan's Adventure since CGA is going to close soon
@@Westkid3057 I heard rumors of a zamperla double heart coaster
@@ThrillsInventedOoo. That'd be nice
Buy or sell: Six Flags will sell Knott's Berry Farm to Universal.
Buy or sell: one of cga’s woodies will get the rmc treatment
Sell sadly for me. They already have an RMC in railblazer, and since cga is kinda in purgatory now since cedar fair tried to sell it off (hopefully merger changes that!), I doubt they’d put any work and money into the park at all
Also another buy or sell: the next Kennywood coaster (whenever that’ll be) will be a terrain coaster over the hillside with the open land they have under the phantom / next to the thunderbolt
Buy
Now what I’m about to say will never happen… But my dream was for there to be a giga dive coaster over the back hill behind where Steel Curtain is… Obviously that’s impossible because that land apparently cannot be used on the hillside because it’s too weak… But could you imagine a dive coaster dropping 300 feet down a ravine? The stuff dreams are made of. Lol.
@@collegeluvr that would be amazing… lol if only it was possible !
Buy or sell, Mack make a coaster taller than Hyperia in the next 5 years
Buy or Sell: Dollywood’s next major coaster will be a Mack extreme spinner.
i can totally see this happening, it just makes sense for dollywood and theyre missing something like that in their lineup
Buy or Sell: Tidal Force at Hershey Park is removed within the next 5 years
buy or sell: SFGA’s american eagle will never race with passengers on it for the rest of its lifetime.
Buy or Sell: Fun Soot Atlanta closes it doors in the next five years and Arie Force One gets moved to a different park.
Buy or sell: By 2028 frontier city will get a new roller coaster (possibly a P’Sghsetti bowl coaster)
Buy or Sell: Michigan's Adventure will get 2 major coasters in the next 5-7 years: a brand new coaster, and a relocation from a park being closed by Six Flags.
Buy or sell, Knoebels adds a new steel coaster like Impulse for there 100th anniversary in 2026!
Buy or Sell: Continuing the Trend of the Smaller Former Cedar Fair Parks, Michigan's Adventure Gets a new coaster in 2025
Buy or Sell: Corkscrew at Cedar Point either gets torn down or gets a Premier rides redo. Kinda like LNM