We may not agree on absolutely everything. But I've been really appreciating all the shotgun stuff you've been putting out lately. Everyone talks about rifles and PCCs and even handguns these days but shotguns have been neglected a lot in recent years. So I can appreciate the work towards educating people on their use and effectiveness.
Shotguns are my favorite type of firearm, I just love how user friendly they are, even an inexperienced shooter could use one effectively to save themselves or their family, just remember not to load it with birdshot lol only buckshot
Yesterdays video got me all excited... Ammo prices and availability are insane and I'm totally rationing. I dry fire a lot, but noticed the flinch come back after not going to the range for several weeks. So I'm going to go and resist the urge to burn through boxes....If you were to limit yourself to 10-20 rounds on the range, how would you use them?
Practice the most important things. If you can draw from a holster I would practice draw to first shot, making sure to get a good sight picture after the shot. Do that 4 times. Then practice draw to 2 shots on a smaller target like a head box. Do that 5 times. Then practice shooting one target, transitioning to a second target, and shooting once. Do that 3 times. 20 rounds, lots of skills honed in live fire.
Active Self Protection Extra I had to deploy my pump 12 gauge vs. a black bear recently. The situation was intense and I jammed the action after 3-4 shots. It may be helpful to discuss what happened in my case for your viewers with pump shotguns to avoid the same problem.
On modern pistol mags and rifle mags, yes it's cycles that are the real worry. Remember though that shotgun tech is old school and most of these long shotgun tube springs are not made with modern steel but are older wire-type springs. They WILL take a set if left fully compressed for too too long.
Great video. I prefer a single point sling on a shotgun so you don't grab the sling and let it interfere with pumping the shotgun. Did you take the light off for the range? I like the wood. A non tactical look is better if you are ever involved in a defensive shooting. Love your channels! They have really help my training. I am practically an off duty Brazilian cop now.
Do you happen to have a video on how to manipulate a right handed cross bolt safety, such as on stock Remington or Maverick shotgun, as a left handed shooter? Would love to see some techniques on how to best get the gun off safe and back on. Which hand and finger to use etc.
@@OttoMatieque it's an impotence joke. It's normally told with a pause and smile after the "but as it turned out" to allow for the thought that there WAS "something" in his chamber. Then the last part is said a little downtrodden or with relief. Loses something in written form
If you have the gun in a safe, you can do that. Recognize that shotguns are not drop safe, so going cruiser ready is significant. Also, this is not my primary home defense shotgun. If you watch the shotgun content on the channel you'll see my HD shotgun isn't this one.
if you have a sling it is good to use it (over shoulder and around neck). If you do not use the sling, instead of being a retention device, it becomes a takeaway device. If you do not plan to use the sling and train with it, remove the sling.
@@ASPextra I got that part (and I should have use 'one' instead of 'you' in my original comment). And as I was saying, if you weren't going to use it in the demo, take it off. I have seen way too many defense, police, crime, and unrest videos with defenders danging an unused sling which is a safety issue. It is sorta like always demonstrating good muzzle discipline even when handling an unloaded weapon or with the safety on. It teaches through continuous exposure (and example) to the right 'culture' of handling the gun. On a similar topic, an instructor, or other role-model should never be seen using a crappy holster. I have even seen professionals (off-duty police/military) using a crappy/floppy holster with poor retention or causing them to root around with the muzzle (pointing at themselves with loaded gun) struggling to re-holster. I even saw an off-duty officer loose a loaded gun from an uncle mike's holster. Good (and proper use) of slings and holsters are the very next tier of safety after the fundamentals of finger/muzzle/target. Keep up the good work. I have picked up some valuable info and learned stuff from your channel. Your humble servant and father of your country, George
How do you put a white light on a set up like this? I love the concept but anything I can think of to get a light mounted would be changing out the forend and ruining the look.
Love the video, what do you think of loading different size shot, like the first two you shot might be 7 or 8 bird shot and the the next ones are 00 buck shot?
I think that there is no point at all. Legally speaking there is no difference between the 2 types of ammunition (at least to my knowledge, I’m not a lawyer, check your local laws) but if you need that first shot to be a tight group and immediately incapacitating, bird shot ain’t gonna do it. There is no real reason why I need my home defense shotgun loaded with bird. If you are concerned about overpenetration, then load with #4 buck. It’s been shown to lose enough velocity after going through 2 layers of sheet rock to be considered less than lethal in many cases. If you hand load, then load that sucker in a federal flight control wad and cup. But to my knowledge the old adage of bird bird buck buck slug, is just that. Old outdated information.
Have mine set up almost the same except one already started in the barrel, action not in full battery. Standing barrel down, not up....just always seemed safer to me.
That's too much thinking. Once you get a dump of adrenaline and you're about to be faced with kill or be killed, you just want to pump and go with 7 rounds no thinking required. 00 buckshot or similar. You lose a lot of fine motor skills and gain gross motor strength under adrenaline stress, you could easily fumble the shell and get killed in the distraction.
@@reptiles900 It is all about options. If you have the time.....maybe a slug would be more effective than 00 in some situations. Five rounds of 00 in the tube and four slugs in the side saddle.
Why not keep one in the open ejection port with the action back? It's not chambered, gives you a full tube plus one in the port. Grab the gun, send the fore-end home and youre rocking. Since the gun isn't chambered there's no possibility that it will go off with an open port and fore-end back. Thoughts?
How do you guys keep your gun from rolling forward when slung in the front position? I have my sling attached to the factory lug on the bottom rear of the stock and the front always goes forward. I've been thinking about buying a ring that goes between the stock and receiver, or putting another lug on the side but I think that maybe too much of a weak point in the plastic.
A harness/attachment point like John has on his in this video is one option. This allows you to attach the sling on the side of the stock instead of the bottom stud. When you attach a two point sling on the bottom stud of a stock it tends to want to roll like that when you sling it across your front.
Hi Jhon, what do you think about the traumatic guns(rubber bullet guns) for self and home defence? i know that they´re less than ideal but in some countries thats all the best we can probably have. Tanks Jhon and God Bless you and your loved ones!
What about the safety issue of leaving a loaded firearm in a closet? Isn't this how so many kids get killed in accidental discharges every year? Shouldn't it be in some kind of quick-access safe/vault? Or is the idea that you load it at night, then unload and secure in the morning if you have kids in the house?
John im not sure whats going on with your ear pro but all I can see is you wearing cat ear hearing protection while talking about cruser readying a shotgun
@@ASPextra I really don't understand how you though I was saying to have an unloaded shotgun for self defense. Technically the staging you show is unloaded with rounds in the mag tube. All I was trying to say is the sound it makes when you run the action. I don't in anyway think that the sound will stop a criminal.
Condition One is the _only_ way I keep my defensive ready tools. To clarify even further, I specifically keep our HD shotgun in Condition One with one minor adjustment. While we _always_ keep one in the chamber; with our shotgun we choose to simply keep the action on a “half pump”. This means that the pump is neither fully seated in the ‘ready to fire’ position nor is it completely locked back as if you were cycling a round. The safety being “ON” the entire time btw. It’s the only tool we keep staged in this manner. Everything else is in standard Condition Zero ready. Now if I can only convince my wife to train more with the 12ga. She would run right past it to get to her preferred home defense option. We were looking for a 20ga Mossberg for her, but we all know it is nearly impossible to find such a thing these days. Stay classy my friends. EDITED for incorrect information.
Condition 0 - Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety off. For SA/DA - Hammer is back. Condition 1 - Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety on. For SA/DA - Hammer is back.
@@jayzenitram9621 Good catch Jay! I'm so used to talking about my EDC pistol that I instinctively said _Condition Zero._ Being that striker-fired pistols are essentially carried in a Condition Zero configuration. I have corrected the original post. Plus this just reaffirms why one should not be posting until you have finished your cup of morning coffee. Keep up the good work my friend.
Most 'scatterguns' have a floating (think that was the correct word) firing pin...so, NO...they're not designed for what you think. Lots of good stuff on this channel. I learned plenty.
@@andyprairiedog Having tested that, you have to drop a shotgun extremely hard at the right angle to get it to go off.Not much short of hitting it with a sledge hammer if you can get it to happen at all. Just because a chubster with a tattoo and a million subs says it doesn't mean its gospel, he just regurgitates alot of information from police and the like. Alot of those rules exist because we have to be redundant to protect ourselves and others because we are working with the public. Keep your guns secure and ready to fire
I would keep the action open with one in the chamber so all that has to be done is slide the action closed. Faster and takes full advantage of capacity.
@@jayzenitram9621 It will not come out unless you try to shake it out and even then it will not come out unless you try really hard. Try it with some training rounds.
There's a video out there showing a fatal flaw with Mossberg. There's a pin near the buttstock that can render the gun useless if pushed. Hold up let me find the video. Here: th-cam.com/video/87XSOnQrCYg/w-d-xo.html
My definition of " cruiser/closet SAFE" is: empty chamber, mag tube charged, action locked, safety off. Yes, this requires one to hit the slide release in order to cycle the action...no issue whatsoever for me, as that is baked in to my training. This way, no matter what happens, same protocol.
So, for me personally, this just isn’t safe. In my home, I don’t have space for a safe. (Very very small house) and I often times have my nephews over who are 7&9 respectively. They both like guns and are very interested in them. They know the rules of safe firearms handling and know better than to touch a gun without permission. But I can’t be too careful. I leave the action locked. I personally don’t believe that they will be capable of easily figuring out how to unlock the action and then run the pump, and fire. But that means I’ve got to be very mindful of the condition my weapon is in if I ever need it. It’s not ideal, but I think it’s the best I can do in my current situation. When I have a place where I can actually mount things to the walls, I’ll get a shotgun rack and hang that sucker 6 feet off the ground so as to eliminate this issue.
Even with a small home, you can get a lock for that gun when your nephews are over. Please do that, I know you say they know better but that can lead to tragedy.
For both semi and pump, the sound of racking one will give away your position and your element of surprise. You're letting the bad guy know you know he's there and letting him prepare for a fight. Why lose your tactical advantage? Keep one in the pipe just like a pistol and keep it in a safe spot.
Concur......that being said; to each their own and John must be, "Liability" conscious. FYI.....technically the platform is a, "Slide Action" not pump. Tid bit for the day.
Tactical Advantage is how people get killed like your kid who comes home from college or the drunk neighbor from a block over or your spouse who couldn't sleep. 1st step, call 911, Second step start yelling I'm Armed, Leave, I don't want to shoot you. Make sure you have lights on and or a light on The shotgun so you know what your shooting at. ( don't want that 7 years bad luck by blowing away a mirror) I don't want to shoot someone, I want them exciting as fast as they can. Shoot the wrong person you have to live with it for the rest of your life likely while in prison.
John is super deep into the Hello Kitty Cosplay/Furry Fandom community. We all know about it. We just normally don't say anything in public because he produces such great content.
John wants you to know that he has his hearing protection on. Your ears are important to protect, especially when at an enclosed range. He has a video on what kind they are and why he uses them. It's part of the safety package he keeps. No, hes not gay. He probably shoots more than a lot of people and he is constantly training students in both proper use and their shooting skills. He makes no bones about proper ear protection because he wants you to have good hearing skills when you get older without ringing or other problems to deal with.
I strongly disagree with you. Do you carry a CCW without one in the chamber? Of course not! Number one, racking the action gives away your position. Number two, it takes away valuable time that you might not have. Number three, you might not be able to cycle the action at that point in time. Number four, in the heat of the moment you might short stroke the action, causing a malfunction.
My shotgun came out of the closet years ago. So proud of them!
lol
Small world! I recognize you from the P80 group. 😺
@@mannys9130 So it is! Good to see you out in the wild!
😁😁😁😁😁
Lol Best comment of the day!
We may not agree on absolutely everything. But I've been really appreciating all the shotgun stuff you've been putting out lately. Everyone talks about rifles and PCCs and even handguns these days but shotguns have been neglected a lot in recent years. So I can appreciate the work towards educating people on their use and effectiveness.
You are such a good presenter John, I've learned so much over the years from you!
Thabks!
I figured this out on my own years ago, this is how my Mossberg 590 sits in my closet. Thanks for the video, and confirming my state of readiness.
Bedside ready is more like it!! Rock in roll!!
Cruiser Ready Condition is the best.
best explanation for these steps
That is why lots of people love the pump gun. Safe, reliable big boom.
Shotguns are my favorite type of firearm, I just love how user friendly they are, even an inexperienced shooter could use one effectively to save themselves or their family, just remember not to load it with birdshot lol only buckshot
Thanks John.
Awesome. I had the privilege of shooting a pump. Amazing gun. Stay safe people.
Yesterdays video got me all excited... Ammo prices and availability are insane and I'm totally rationing. I dry fire a lot, but noticed the flinch come back after not going to the range for several weeks. So I'm going to go and resist the urge to burn through boxes....If you were to limit yourself to 10-20 rounds on the range, how would you use them?
Practice the most important things. If you can draw from a holster I would practice draw to first shot, making sure to get a good sight picture after the shot. Do that 4 times. Then practice draw to 2 shots on a smaller target like a head box. Do that 5 times. Then practice shooting one target, transitioning to a second target, and shooting once. Do that 3 times. 20 rounds, lots of skills honed in live fire.
Active Self Protection Extra I had to deploy my pump 12 gauge vs. a black bear recently. The situation was intense and I jammed the action after 3-4 shots. It may be helpful to discuss what happened in my case for your viewers with pump shotguns to avoid the same problem.
@@londowell That’s why i put a bayonnet on my shotgun, it’s still basically a spear if it jams
Nice to see a lefty.😃 I was taught a compressed spring is not a problem. Isn't it the cycling that wears out a spring?🤔
On modern pistol mags and rifle mags, yes it's cycles that are the real worry. Remember though that shotgun tech is old school and most of these long shotgun tube springs are not made with modern steel but are older wire-type springs. They WILL take a set if left fully compressed for too too long.
Paul Harrel has a couple great video's on setting up shotgun's for home defense and storage while loaded...you should check them out...
Excellent information
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. I prefer a single point sling on a shotgun so you don't grab the sling and let it interfere with pumping the shotgun. Did you take the light off for the range? I like the wood. A non tactical look is better if you are ever involved in a defensive shooting. Love your channels! They have really help my training. I am practically an off duty Brazilian cop now.
The correct number of points on a sling is 2. Always 2. :)
This shotgun has no light mounted to it.
@@ASPextra I use 2 points on every rifle or auto shotgun I have. I think they can interfere with the pumping stroke on a pump gun imho.
Not sure how it would interfere, honestly.
Do you have a permit for that??!
Thanks John great info!!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Do you happen to have a video on how to manipulate a right handed cross bolt safety, such as on stock Remington or Maverick shotgun, as a left handed shooter? Would love to see some techniques on how to best get the gun off safe and back on. Which hand and finger to use etc.
That's maybe worth doing. :) Basically, with a shotgun "low ready" includes safety off.
The only way to keep a pump home ready, I keep 3 in the mag with extra at the ready on the dresser to grab if I have time to and put them in the mag.
What magazine tube extension is it that holds seven
Nordic Components Mag Tube Extension Kit and Mag Tube Follower
@1:27 I too once thought I had nothing in the chamber, but as it turned out I didn't have nothing in there.
I hope it didn't go off on you.
sentence make no sense
@@OttoMatieque it's an impotence joke. It's normally told with a pause and smile after the "but as it turned out" to allow for the thought that there WAS "something" in his chamber. Then the last part is said a little downtrodden or with relief.
Loses something in written form
@@spadesofaces1980 thanks
I'd rather have one in chamber and safety on. I also have a white light on my home defense shotgun...suprised to not see one on yours?
I too would rather NOT call attention to myself with the loud racking sound. 8
If you have the gun in a safe, you can do that. Recognize that shotguns are not drop safe, so going cruiser ready is significant. Also, this is not my primary home defense shotgun. If you watch the shotgun content on the channel you'll see my HD shotgun isn't this one.
@@bailey9r it's an old wives tail that criminals run from that sound. They do run from loud booms.
Same with one in a chamber, but mine is in a safe and my 3rd home option
@@thefinalroman what about the spring in the tube?
if you have a sling it is good to use it (over shoulder and around neck). If you do not use the sling, instead of being a retention device, it becomes a takeaway device. If you do not plan to use the sling and train with it, remove the sling.
This video did not have to do with the sling.
@@ASPextra I got that part (and I should have use 'one' instead of 'you' in my original comment). And as I was saying, if you weren't going to use it in the demo, take it off.
I have seen way too many defense, police, crime, and unrest videos with defenders danging an unused sling which is a safety issue. It is sorta like always demonstrating good muzzle discipline even when handling an unloaded weapon or with the safety on. It teaches through continuous exposure (and example) to the right 'culture' of handling the gun.
On a similar topic, an instructor, or other role-model should never be seen using a crappy holster. I have even seen professionals (off-duty police/military) using a crappy/floppy holster with poor retention or causing them to root around with the muzzle (pointing at themselves with loaded gun) struggling to re-holster. I even saw an off-duty officer loose a loaded gun from an uncle mike's holster.
Good (and proper use) of slings and holsters are the very next tier of safety after the fundamentals of finger/muzzle/target.
Keep up the good work. I have picked up some valuable info and learned stuff from your channel.
Your humble servant and father of your country,
George
How do you put a white light on a set up like this? I love the concept but anything I can think of to get a light mounted would be changing out the forend and ruining the look.
You probably can't put a white light on this particular kind of setup, unfortunately.
Love the video, what do you think of loading different size shot, like the first two you shot might be 7 or 8 bird shot and the the next ones are 00 buck shot?
Not a fan at all.
I think that there is no point at all. Legally speaking there is no difference between the 2 types of ammunition (at least to my knowledge, I’m not a lawyer, check your local laws) but if you need that first shot to be a tight group and immediately incapacitating, bird shot ain’t gonna do it. There is no real reason why I need my home defense shotgun loaded with bird. If you are concerned about overpenetration, then load with #4 buck. It’s been shown to lose enough velocity after going through 2 layers of sheet rock to be considered less than lethal in many cases. If you hand load, then load that sucker in a federal flight control wad and cup. But to my knowledge the old adage of bird bird buck buck slug, is just that. Old outdated information.
Have mine set up almost the same except one already started in the barrel, action not in full battery. Standing barrel down, not up....just always seemed safer to me.
John, do you disengage the safety on the shotgun? Or did I miss it altogether?
Safety has to come off to press the trigger. :)
Active Self Protection Extra ugh it’s a Remington 870! Sorry I’m a Mossberg guy haha
If you leave it down one round it gives you the option of loading something other than what's in the tube for the first shot.
That's too much thinking. Once you get a dump of adrenaline and you're about to be faced with kill or be killed, you just want to pump and go with 7 rounds no thinking required. 00 buckshot or similar. You lose a lot of fine motor skills and gain gross motor strength under adrenaline stress, you could easily fumble the shell and get killed in the distraction.
@@reptiles900 It is all about options. If you have the time.....maybe a slug would be more effective than 00 in some situations. Five rounds of 00 in the tube and four slugs in the side saddle.
Recognize that this particular gun has no side saddle, and the default needs to be what you will use for home defense.
Why not keep one in the open ejection port with the action back? It's not chambered, gives you a full tube plus one in the port. Grab the gun, send the fore-end home and youre rocking. Since the gun isn't chambered there's no possibility that it will go off with an open port and fore-end back. Thoughts?
That’s not really closet ready. Chance to foul the gun with crap and more apt for curious people to get the gun in go condition.
What’s up with the sexy bat ears😆 what’d I miss? Lol! Great video as always man! Much Respect from Flag🙏🏼🇺🇸🙏🏼
They're fun. Full stop. :)
How do you guys keep your gun from rolling forward when slung in the front position?
I have my sling attached to the factory lug on the bottom rear of the stock and the front always goes forward. I've been thinking about buying a ring that goes between the stock and receiver, or putting another lug on the side but I think that maybe too much of a weak point in the plastic.
A harness/attachment point like John has on his in this video is one option. This allows you to attach the sling on the side of the stock instead of the bottom stud. When you attach a two point sling on the bottom stud of a stock it tends to want to roll like that when you sling it across your front.
I use a side-mounted sling attachment.
@@derekv4248
Where can I get a "harness/attachment point" sling like Johns', that adjusts quickly? I couldn't find one on Amazon or any place else.
I bought mine at Wilderness Tactical. Vang Comp also sells them for the 870. www.vangcomp.com/product/vcs-steel-magazine-tube-extension/
Lefty love! 💘
Hi Jhon, what do you think about the traumatic guns(rubber bullet guns) for self and home defence? i know that they´re less than ideal but in some countries thats all the best we can probably have. Tanks Jhon and God Bless you and your loved ones!
I mean, if it's the best that you can have, then it's the best choice.
hung in closet with the barrel pointed Up or Down. I prefer down, lest dust fall in.
Up, down, sideways...whatevah. :)
I prefer not to have the muzzle pointing up. It seems to me that the business end should never have the opportunity to be looking at me.
This might sound funny, but I put condoms on my .50 BMGs when in the sand box. Worked well, and my .50s never had a STD😁
@@ajossi hanging in the closet on a hook, muzzle down, way below my face.
@@redsky8509 👍 that's what I call covering your ASP.
Good stuff. 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Lefties are especially blessed by God
Haha!
I like your hearing protection.
Is it batman inspired or wolf?
Neither. They're just fun.
There's a better way. I can't believe no one has shown it yet
The 80s called and wants the shotgun back. Just kidding, another great video thanks.
Haha I know!! I run a semi myself but soooo many requests for pump gun content!
Safety off got it.
Springs don't take a set from being compressed. Springs wear from cycling.
Yes that’s true. But these are thin metal and will eventually take a set from compression.
It's called "Cruiser Ready."
_You_ are the *_only_* _one_ calling it Closet Ready
No I’m not. I learned the term from Tom Givens.
If I do that with my 870 the slide will open when I stand it on the butt stock. It's 60 years old and has over 60,000 rounds through it. 😀
Maybe time to replace some parts!
@@ASPextra No way, she locks up tight, cycles smooth as a babies butt, lots of trap and skeet shot through that old girl and plenty more left in her.
What about the safety issue of leaving a loaded firearm in a closet? Isn't this how so many kids get killed in accidental discharges every year? Shouldn't it be in some kind of quick-access safe/vault? Or is the idea that you load it at night, then unload and secure in the morning if you have kids in the house?
Note that in the video talking about closet ready and semi autos I said it needs to be in a safe if there are kids around.
Love that cat ears ;)
I've asked him several times why those are like that and he's never responded. Guess he just likes cats? 😺
They're fun. Full stop.
@@ASPextra They do like fun! 😺
I thought they were some kind of range safety thing lol. Never been to a range as where I live we aren't allowed guns for defense. :(
John im not sure whats going on with your ear pro but all I can see is you wearing cat ear hearing protection while talking about cruser readying a shotgun
They're fun. Full stop.
Why safety off instead of safety on?
Because no one in the chamber.
Safety on a shotgun is always cross-bolt, always difficult to access well (even the Mossberg rear one), and in this condition doesn't add any safety.
No round in the chamber and the striker is decocked.
The best part about a pump action 12 gage is the sound of working the action. Everyone knows what that sound means.
That's a myth. I never want to have an unloaded shotgun in the presence of a deadly threat if I can help it.
@@ASPextra I don't keep anything unloaded. I was just commenting on the sound a pump action 12 gage makes. I love that sound.
@@ASPextra I really don't understand how you though I was saying to have an unloaded shotgun for self defense. Technically the staging you show is unloaded with rounds in the mag tube. All I was trying to say is the sound it makes when you run the action. I don't in anyway think that the sound will stop a criminal.
Never reveal your position and give the bad guy an opportunity to get the drop on you.
@@ajossi that's why my shotgun is loaded and empty chamber is useless.
Condition One is the _only_ way I keep my defensive ready tools.
To clarify even further, I specifically keep our HD shotgun in Condition One with one minor adjustment. While we _always_ keep one in the chamber; with our shotgun we choose to simply keep the action on a “half pump”.
This means that the pump is neither fully seated in the ‘ready to fire’ position nor is it completely locked back as if you were cycling a round.
The safety being “ON” the entire time btw. It’s the only tool we keep staged in this manner. Everything else is in standard Condition Zero ready.
Now if I can only convince my wife to train more with the 12ga. She would run right past it to get to her preferred home defense option. We were looking for a 20ga Mossberg for her, but we all know it is nearly impossible to find such a thing these days.
Stay classy my friends.
EDITED for incorrect information.
I got a 20ga westernfields old school
Condition 0 - Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety off.
For SA/DA - Hammer is back.
Condition 1 - Magazine inserted, round in the chamber, safety on.
For SA/DA - Hammer is back.
@@jayzenitram9621 Good catch Jay!
I'm so used to talking about my EDC pistol that I instinctively said _Condition Zero._ Being that striker-fired pistols are essentially carried in a Condition Zero configuration.
I have corrected the original post. Plus this just reaffirms why one should not be posting until you have finished your cup of morning coffee.
Keep up the good work my friend.
@@BertShackleford No worries. I had to look it up myself when I read "safety on" in your original post. We're all here to learn.
Okay. Mine only holds 5 though...
Then load 5!
@@ASPextra lol thanks for the advice.
Gun safe ready!
Just keep a round in the chamber. That's what it's designed for
No. That’s not the purpose.
Shotguns generally are not drop safe. Knock it over and you might end up with a really cool new vent in your wall.
Most 'scatterguns' have a floating (think that was the correct word) firing pin...so, NO...they're not designed for what you think. Lots of good stuff on this channel. I learned plenty.
No, you do NOT keep a round in the chamber.
@@andyprairiedog Having tested that, you have to drop a shotgun extremely hard at the right angle to get it to go off.Not much short of hitting it with a sledge hammer if you can get it to happen at all. Just because a chubster with a tattoo and a million subs says it doesn't mean its gospel, he just regurgitates alot of information from police and the like. Alot of those rules exist because we have to be redundant to protect ourselves and others because we are working with the public. Keep your guns secure and ready to fire
I would keep the action open with one in the chamber so all that has to be done is slide the action closed. Faster and takes full advantage of capacity.
it also leaves the action open for dust, bugs, etc
If your shotty can't process spiders your have worse issues
Exactly how would you keep the shell from flopping out?
@@jayzenitram9621 It will not come out unless you try to shake it out and even then it will not come out unless you try really hard. Try it with some training rounds.
You should be running the action damn near as soon as the shot breaks.
That shotgun is going to need a cigarette. 1:34. 😏
I like having a light on all my long arms....you never know better to have it and not need it than need it not have it.
I certainly do, too. Again, this gun was made for a niche.
The better question, why 870? Mossberg is life
Nah, a good 870 Police is a fantastic shotgun.
There's a video out there showing a fatal flaw with Mossberg. There's a pin near the buttstock that can render the gun useless if pushed. Hold up let me find the video.
Here:
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@@ASPextra 30 years ago, yes.
My definition of " cruiser/closet SAFE" is: empty chamber, mag tube charged, action locked, safety off. Yes, this requires one to hit the slide release in order to cycle the action...no issue whatsoever for me, as that is baked in to my training. This way, no matter what happens, same protocol.
So, for me personally, this just isn’t safe. In my home, I don’t have space for a safe. (Very very small house) and I often times have my nephews over who are 7&9 respectively. They both like guns and are very interested in them. They know the rules of safe firearms handling and know better than to touch a gun without permission. But I can’t be too careful. I leave the action locked. I personally don’t believe that they will be capable of easily figuring out how to unlock the action and then run the pump, and fire. But that means I’ve got to be very mindful of the condition my weapon is in if I ever need it. It’s not ideal, but I think it’s the best I can do in my current situation. When I have a place where I can actually mount things to the walls, I’ll get a shotgun rack and hang that sucker 6 feet off the ground so as to eliminate this issue.
Even with a small home, you can get a lock for that gun when your nephews are over. Please do that, I know you say they know better but that can lead to tragedy.
How do people take you seriously with those cat ears?
They add a certain gravitas...
Early
Honey, git the shotgun!
What's a shotgun?
For both semi and pump, the sound of racking one will give away your position and your element of surprise. You're letting the bad guy know you know he's there and letting him prepare for a fight. Why lose your tactical advantage? Keep one in the pipe just like a pistol and keep it in a safe spot.
Concur......that being said; to each their own and John must be, "Liability" conscious.
FYI.....technically the platform is a, "Slide Action" not pump. Tid bit for the day.
I think the point of leaving the chamber empty is that it is not necessarily drop safe.
@Tim Morrison It's hard to rack a "Joe Biden double barreled shotgun".
Tactical Advantage is how people get killed like your kid who comes home from college or the drunk neighbor from a block over or your spouse who couldn't sleep. 1st step, call 911, Second step start yelling I'm Armed, Leave, I don't want to shoot you. Make sure you have lights on and or a light on The shotgun so you know what your shooting at. ( don't want that 7 years bad luck by blowing away a mirror) I don't want to shoot someone, I want them exciting as fast as they can. Shoot the wrong person you have to live with it for the rest of your life likely while in prison.
old school umm pump is other name for the same thing
But John, it's called an elevator, not a lifter......
Why is he wearing cat ears?
John is super deep into the Hello Kitty Cosplay/Furry Fandom community. We all know about it. We just normally don't say anything in public because he produces such great content.
@@Jhhu4i4 No. He just likes Hello Kitty.
The real question is why aren't you?
John wants you to know that he has his hearing protection on. Your ears are important to protect, especially when at an enclosed range. He has a video on what kind they are and why he uses them. It's part of the safety package he keeps. No, hes not gay. He probably shoots more than a lot of people and he is constantly training students in both proper use and their shooting skills. He makes no bones about proper ear protection because he wants you to have good hearing skills when you get older without ringing or other problems to deal with.
Because they are fun. Full stop.
I strongly disagree with you. Do you carry a CCW without one in the chamber? Of course not! Number one, racking the action gives away your position. Number two, it takes away valuable time that you might not have. Number three, you might not be able to cycle the action at that point in time. Number four, in the heat of the moment you might short stroke the action, causing a malfunction.
A shotgun is not drop safe. It is also not casual finder safe, as it is in this condition.