And degradation is fastest in the first few years slowing down after that. So in another 4 years you'll have maybe lost another 5% and be down to 86%. Degradation rate on my 40 kWh 2018 leaf is about 1% per year. Welcome back by the way!
I also have a 40kwh Leaf. I haven’t quite got 3000 miles on it. With that 1% loss per year, how much driving do you do per year, and how have you been charging it? My biggest issue is with temps, as it gets around 110 F in the summer.
So nice to see you both back again. Well, at that rate of degradation in 4 years, mine should last into the next millennium 😊. I have a 40kwh 2022 Leaf which I purchased new in 2021. All I use it for is short trips around town, and don’t laugh, I only have just under 3000 miles. The battery looks like it’s at 100% as indicated on the dashboard. All I do is charge it at home plugged into the dryer outlet. At 77 years old, I reckon the car will outlast me. 😂
Where can I get one of those LEAF SPY kits? Also, where did you buy/secure the 62kWh battery? There's a place here in SoCal that claims to get a CATL pack this size, (and they do have a good reputation) but I'm a bit leery without knowing more about who makes it. Costs?
The dongel is called a Vgate iCar 2 Auto Diagnostic Scanner Bluetooth ELM327 OBD2 Auto Diagnostic Tool. It is black with an orange band around it. Leafspy Pro is the app available for Android and Apple stores Here is a good tutorial: th-cam.com/video/6yS-5HMYUHc/w-d-xo.html
For the battery in leaf, if you want a little bit more info, I'm not sure where to get it. But I've got at home 2 packs which are from CATL and are supposed to be in Nissan leaf (by quick Google search). I bought them for 320€ per pack brand new(but not from regular shop or anything). 21.9V and 2.9KWh per pack. Chemistry is NMC, also looks like each pack has their own BMS or some other circuit module inside. Also they are pretty modular so it looks pretty easy to just swap bad packs in car instead of whole battery disassemble and putting it all together back
Your good result is due to you understanding charging and discharging techniques, but most folk who buy a car whether an EV or ICE car do not maintain them. So EV battery range deterioration is due to too many fast charges and folk are always in a hurry these days, also you home charge and not like many city folk who do not have a home charger, so rush about looking for a charging station and fast charge the battery to save waiting time. For Australia the battery technology has a long way to go to be able to set out on a trip and not have range anxiety. Two biggest killers of batteries are heat and cold, if you live in a milder climate your car battery will last longer, but if you live in a very cold climate or very hot your battery will not last as long. Your leaf is great for around town and small trips, however if you want to travel around Australia or tow you will still need an ICE and that will be the case for many years to come.
Good point Karl , we look after the EV battery. We live in a cool climate here in Canberra. Most EV's are going down the LFP battery route, well Tesla and BYD anyway. This battery is considered old generation and not really made any more in great volume. LFP batteries are more robust to hard and fast charging demanded by everyday consumers. LFP have better Degradation characteristics. As for trip, we have a video coming out later in the year, travelling Canberra to Adelaide and back. No real range anxiety as we were looking at different chargers along the way, but we had a 500km "Real World Range" in our newer EV. Yep towing not as good, but we do not really tow. Also diesel cars are not going away soon. But EV do not suit everybody anyway. Its just another option I wish everybody could frame a question/statement like you Karl Have a great day. :)
@@ev4me2Have you considered the environmental impact that batteries have? It requires lots of water to mine and consumes vast amounts of energy to produce these toxic metals and the disposal of spent batteries is nearly as bad as Nuclear waste, any C02 saved by driving an EV is lost. I still prefer bio fuels till we have the technology to properly recycle and dispose of expired EV batteries.
That's what makes me really nervous about buying a used EV, there are so many variables and sometimes the battery will drop off fast in health under certain circumstances. There are quite a few Tesla vehicles documented where the battery health was great and then within a few months lost more than 50% of range. Someone had the HVAC system fail and that is extremely bad for battery health when charging. So many things that could lead to a bricked battery.
Good to see you guys back, it's been a while! And great to see your Leaf still going so well. It's interesting to see how much misinformation around EVs there still is judging by the comments! lol
Yes Pangit, we have popped back onto youtube for a while anyway. Love the comments about everybody's EV Drive Battery experiences. The good, bad and in-between. But Lordy Lordy give me strength. The Arm chair critics pop in every so often. And say silly stuff. :)
Good point, I think the previous owner did a lot of short charging in Japan. But checkout my very first Batteries years ago and compare. Battery check - 2 Years and 30000km th-cam.com/video/sezcdXpessw/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for sharing your real world ownership experience. Really helps genuine people looking at buying an EV as so much AI generated and EV hater BS out there. Keep the videos coming 👍
The Nissan Ariya 2023 is the one I have with a 65kWh battery, and this past winter, I only lost 12.47% of range due to cold. Most cars lose 10%-30% due to cold weather. Now the 2024, 2025, and 2026 Ariya will have 10 trim levels and "supposedly" better/ bigger batteries later on. Nissan just opened the Leaf batteries to all manufacturers like open source software anyone can make the batteries which will make them cheaper.
Still really good for a Ariya. At least you have some liquid cooling in your drive Battery. The Ariya is really good to drive as well,. Here is a colab we did with Jay, from DRIVE EV in New Zealand a couple of years ago. th-cam.com/video/qD0cKvuorPI/w-d-xo.html
Canada: Nissan 'long range" Leaf with 60 kW battery is $57,000 ($52,000 with rebate) with 342 km range Mazda 3 GT (loaded) is $40,000 with a range of >620 km , full to empty (Full price, tax etc. inc.) I know which one I bought.
wow, I didn't realise you travelled 620km per trip, never stopping, that must be insane. I assume you like murder because that's what happens with driver inattentiveness, Oh wait, I'll assume you don't do that..
No Yuki not under warranty since she left Japan nearly 4 years ago. But she is nearly 5, so warranty would almost be expired. But Nissan Australia still happy to service a JDM LEAF :)
That's very low mileage for 4 years. I'm doing 50 000 km+ per year. Highway driver at high speed. If you're not driving a lot the ev is probably ok for some people. There are bigger concerns then battery degradation. It's not even in my top 5
My question is what will the battery be like after 30 years which is normal age car I drive... I never buy anything less than 20 years old and keep them for 10 to 20 years after that...
Well that is a very interesting question. I do not really know. I guess like most cars in general, Yuki the Nissan LEAF will be scraped & recycled. Roughly 95% of that old battery material will go into making a LFP battery for a new EV in the future. The average lifespan of a vehicle in Australia is roughly 10 years. I assume most would be scraped between 15 - 20 years. But don't worry petrol cars will still be around for a while, but mostly moving towards hybrid technology.
It'll be dead in 10-15 years, so the car will be junked, IMPACTING the climate WAY more than an ICE car that CAN go 200-300K IF taken care of and repaired.
Don’t know battery size, but my nieces leaf (first model ish) used to do 130km on a charge, now she’s lucky if she can get 70km, less of she goes rural. Cars tidy, just worth nothing as a trade as dealers won’t touch it, new battery was ludicrous…so it’s the kiddy school car. She likes it, it’s just no longer practical as anything but its current job, and just not capable of being a ‘normal’ car. One thing mate…how old is your leaf? Ide be hoping the engine in my daily didn’t need replacing in 80,000 too.
I assume your niece has a ZE0 Nissan LEAF. Like the first generation of anything, it was OK. ZE0 was a very important car in Drive Battery development. But they stopped making them back nearly 9 years ago, as they moved onto a better battery in the AZE0 LEAF in 2016. Yuki (the EV in the Video), is a ZE1 LR Nissan LEAF manufactured Mar 2019, in Japan. Batteries made today are light years ahead in chemistry and BMS (Battery management System) Technology. The Battery in Yuki is not manufactured anymore, and is considered old chemistry and design. A LFP (Latest chemistry) Battery made today, for a BYD or Tesla EV, will last well into the 2030's. A LFP Battery made today, for a BYD or Tesla EV will have, X3 or X4 times the range of your neices ZE0 Nissan LEAF "NEW". Great question Angus
LFP (formerly referred to as LiFePO4 or lithium ferrophosphate) batteries have been around for quite a while. It's hardly a new chemistry. I have a 10 year old bank in my boat, and I wasn't an early adopter. They actually don't have the charging rates or energy density of some other chemistries like Lithium polymer, but they are safer.
@@alanjm1234yeah didnt some company make some for the gen2 prius? its a shame hardly anybody develops kits to replace the old tech with newer tech batteries, i did get one for the prius that improved the cooling and gave it a second life but what an ordeal
Yeah battery is still good! So you're charging it the right way! But if you want to trade the Leaf in, to a dealer they can't sell it because they cannot provide a warranty for it! A
We just sold our 40kWh Black ZE1 Nissan LEAF recently, but we did not trade in, we sold privately. So do not really have the experience of trading in a EV?
I have a thirteen year old diesel car with 97000 miles on it but it still takes the same amount of fuel and has the same range as when it was new. This is despite me always filling (charging) it to 100% and often taking it to empty. Also, the refilling (recharging) to restore the 550 mile range takes a mere 5 minutes once or twice a month. And finally, my range is wholly unaffected by use of the air con, heating, wipers, headlights and radio.
If you are happy with your diesel car, thats all that really matters you. It is like we are really happy with both 2 Electric Vehicles, and thats all that matters to us. There is a guy down the road, that rides his motorbike to work on freezing cold mornings, that what makes him happy. Enjoy your life driving your diesel car, if that what brings you joy. Life is too short to worry about what other people are driving. Everybody is different, as long as we are all Happy. :)
@@ev4me2 I am an EV sceptic but do accept that there are situations where they could be the best choice for someone. However, there are an awful lot of flaws to overcome before they become the true replacement for ICE that our governments are pushing for.
@@Twmpa and thats where people get bogged down on rhetoric - it works for some people, doesn't work for others. EV's aren't the one stop solution so people need to work together to find whats best for them.
I would not min an EV, but they do not fit my lifestyle. I can not charge at home, but I bought an Mini cooper ev anyway, and it was a terrible decision. My days got around 2 hours longer each day, and the cost of public chargers meant it was not even cheaper than my precious ice, not to mention insurance was $1400 a year (!). So now I am back in an ice again, and it gets me around 900km on a tank and is $500 a year in insurance.
EV makes sense in built up areas and slower roads. They are most efficient at slow speed, ICE vehicle are the complete opposite so it depends really upon where you do most mileage or spend the most time. If you do a lot of faster roads then EV wont be very good for you as the range will be poor and cost you more to charge that what a petrol or diesel vehicle will cost to fill. Lots of town/ city driving then EV so much cheaper to run.
Well at time the car was considered "Long Range", also this car is now 5 years old. Our new EV has a "Real World Range" of roughly 500km. That is more than enough for myself and Kaz. We did not even have a petrol Car that could go that far. But this is the thing, it is us driving the EV not you... EV's are not for everybody Maybe you should do some googling and check BYD and Tesla, Check the range of EV's today.
Ahhhh, No And this is why. Battery Degradation is not linear. SPOILER ALERT: An updated 5yr 107,000 km episode was filmed a couple of months ago. That will go to air later this year. But it is 90.56% after 682 charging cycles. Yuki the Nissan LEAF will hit approximately 20% degradation between 250,000km - 350,000km That is still outstanding for a Lithium Ion Battery with not active cooling This is also an older generation battery not made in great quality any more. More modern day LFP batteries will get to between 500,000km - 1,500,000km before they hit 80%. 😃
You could be right, You could be wrong ? I will tell you in 3 years, as this episode was originally filmed last year, part of Season 4. We are currently filming the 5Yr Battery check at 107,000km And I am not going to tell you what the SOH of battery is, but it is still very very very good. You will have to watch that episode (season 5, episode 8) later in the year. :)
@@ev4me2i remember the same song with the prius, my second one was still functioning as normal after 15 years, towards the end maybe more fluctuations with temperature changes. i'll be one of the few optimists (although if i'm not mistaken the nissan has the renault's battery and a few people in europe were unhappy with it)
i wouldn't trust an app and $10 dongle to tell me the state of a $20k battery - when you have 100-1000s in series and parallel it only takes ONE to call it a bad day
This app and dongle combo has been used for the last 7 years. It has been used to diagnose a Drive Battery Fault down to the module level (1 of 96) It is really good at what it does, and is used by many many professionals. To change out that faulty module on the very very rare occasion a fault occurs. You might want to checkout how well this combo works in the video: th-cam.com/video/-ySOspbt0BM/w-d-xo.html Otherwise if you could think of a better way, tell all of us. We would like to hear your theory. :)
@@ev4me2 i seriously doubt EV mechanics use a $10 tool to diagnose a battery. if it was that simple it would be standard when you drive away or a $10 option (or after dealer margins $50)
the price of the dongle does not alter the values in the BMS@@sk7262 If the dongle can read the values, then it's fine. But with that said, you cannot determine the degradation of a battery, based on the SoH value on the BMS. It is much more complicated than that. But is has nothing to to with the price of the dongle 😂😂
WOW, that's AWFUL! In another 4 years, you'll likely be just under 80%. THINK about that POOR range. Loosing over 20% battery. You're already at 10% loss on an already shitty range.
Hi Jacob, the degradation is not linear over time. This episode was filmed last year. We are now filming the "5yr 106,000 km" episode and trust me, you are not going to be happy with those numbers. We have had these same comments for the last 3 years, yet Yuki the Nissan LEAF keeps proving people wrong. Sorry not going to be under 80% in 4 years, watch the "5yr 106,000 km" video later in the year if you want. Or you could watch video's you really like, and not come back to this channel. If you do not like the video's, why watch them? Life is too short. have a lovely day dude. :)
Not really EV are more expensive have very poor range and are prone to catching on fire. They also produce more pollution when built and just running an EV produces more pollution than a petrol/diesel car. So you failed from the start. Also on average Lithium-ion batteries last on average about 10 years. That will decrease depending on how you charge them the temperature they are kept at and a lot more. Where as petrol/diesel have less problems are cheaper to run and are better in every way. If you were taking about a hybrid you might have a valid point, but you waste everyone's time with EV crap.
Yeah they are expensive. As for range, our current new EV has a "Real World range' of 500km. You will see a video on that in next couple of months. No not really more prone to catching on fire. Check out this article from the Guardian (one of the better publications) : ** www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles But, you can also google the info and get it from neutral and balanced source. The Carbon footprint to a produce a 62 kWh battery is roughly 6.2 tonnes, paid back within 12 - 18 months We have been charging from 100% renewable electricity, since we got the car in 2020. This car has saved us over its lifetime (roughly 4 years) about $16000, thats including electricity, servicing, rego etc Here is an earlier video on that (Petrol is now $2/lt here in Canberra, not $1.40/lt) : ** th-cam.com/video/s3hc7Xb0tsY/w-d-xo.html It has offset 22 tones of carbon, comparing it to the car it replaced. More than happy to fail in your eyes. If you don't like the EV crap, stop watching the video's Life is too short, watch video's that you like. Have a lovely day. :)
@@alexmckenna1171 Sorry I am dead right. You can push your misinformation as much as you like but that's all it is. Hybrids are the way to go EV are already dead.
@@ev4me2 Well my diesel has about 900km plus range and EV say 500km but it is more likely 300km real world range if that. And yes, they are prone to catching fire and are very hard to put out.
And degradation is fastest in the first few years slowing down after that. So in another 4 years you'll have maybe lost another 5% and be down to 86%. Degradation rate on my 40 kWh 2018 leaf is about 1% per year. Welcome back by the way!
Michael you are exactly correct !
I also have a 40kwh Leaf. I haven’t quite got 3000 miles on it. With that 1% loss per year, how much driving do you do per year, and how have you been charging it? My biggest issue is with temps, as it gets around 110 F in the summer.
So nice to see you both back again. Well, at that rate of degradation in 4 years, mine should last into the next millennium 😊. I have a 40kwh 2022 Leaf which I purchased new in 2021. All I use it for is short trips around town, and don’t laugh, I only have just under 3000 miles. The battery looks like it’s at 100% as indicated on the dashboard. All I do is charge it at home plugged into the dryer outlet. At 77 years old, I reckon the car will outlast me. 😂
As long as the Nissan LEAF makes you happy, thats all that matters.
Slow charging your LEAF will outlast all of us !
:)
@@ev4me2can you imagine, 200 years from now an archaeologist will dig up my LEAF, and to his surprise, “look, this EV still has 100% battery life.” 😂
Excellent.. we love our 2 Plus Leafs.
Yes the LEAF's still go very well. We will be keeping YUKI for a long time.
:)
I wish people didn’t exaggerate. Numbers are complex. Dig into the numbers and things make sense
Yes some people love to spread BS about Drive Batteries needing to be replaced !
Interestingly, the ad before this video was for a recall of household lithium batteries due to the risk of fire.
Where can I get one of those LEAF SPY kits? Also, where did you buy/secure the 62kWh battery? There's a place here in SoCal that claims to get a CATL pack this size, (and they do have a good reputation) but I'm a bit leery without knowing more about who makes it. Costs?
The dongel is called a Vgate iCar 2 Auto Diagnostic Scanner Bluetooth ELM327 OBD2 Auto Diagnostic Tool.
It is black with an orange band around it.
Leafspy Pro is the app available for Android and Apple stores
Here is a good tutorial:
th-cam.com/video/6yS-5HMYUHc/w-d-xo.html
For the battery in leaf, if you want a little bit more info, I'm not sure where to get it. But I've got at home 2 packs which are from CATL and are supposed to be in Nissan leaf (by quick Google search). I bought them for 320€ per pack brand new(but not from regular shop or anything). 21.9V and 2.9KWh per pack. Chemistry is NMC, also looks like each pack has their own BMS or some other circuit module inside. Also they are pretty modular so it looks pretty easy to just swap bad packs in car instead of whole battery disassemble and putting it all together back
Your good result is due to you understanding charging and discharging techniques, but most folk who buy a car whether an EV or ICE car do not maintain them. So EV battery range deterioration is due to too many fast charges and folk are always in a hurry these days, also you home charge and not like many city folk who do not have a home charger, so rush about looking for a charging station and fast charge the battery to save waiting time. For Australia the battery technology has a long way to go to be able to set out on a trip and not have range anxiety.
Two biggest killers of batteries are heat and cold, if you live in a milder climate your car battery will last longer, but if you live in a very cold climate or very hot your battery will not last as long. Your leaf is great for around town and small trips, however if you want to travel around Australia or tow you will still need an ICE and that will be the case for many years to come.
Good point Karl , we look after the EV battery.
We live in a cool climate here in Canberra.
Most EV's are going down the LFP battery route, well Tesla and BYD anyway.
This battery is considered old generation and not really made any more in great volume.
LFP batteries are more robust to hard and fast charging demanded by everyday consumers.
LFP have better Degradation characteristics.
As for trip, we have a video coming out later in the year, travelling Canberra to Adelaide and back.
No real range anxiety as we were looking at different chargers along the way, but we had a 500km "Real World Range" in our newer EV.
Yep towing not as good, but we do not really tow. Also diesel cars are not going away soon.
But EV do not suit everybody anyway. Its just another option
I wish everybody could frame a question/statement like you Karl
Have a great day.
:)
@@ev4me2Have you considered the environmental impact that batteries have? It requires lots of water to mine and consumes vast amounts of energy to produce these toxic metals and the disposal of spent batteries is nearly as bad as Nuclear waste, any C02 saved by driving an EV is lost. I still prefer bio fuels till we have the technology to properly recycle and dispose of expired EV batteries.
That's what makes me really nervous about buying a used EV, there are so many variables and sometimes the battery will drop off fast in health under certain circumstances. There are quite a few Tesla vehicles documented where the battery health was great and then within a few months lost more than 50% of range. Someone had the HVAC system fail and that is extremely bad for battery health when charging. So many things that could lead to a bricked battery.
@@practicalguy973 I would check out the cost of a replacement battery first before buying a used EV.
Love your attitude! keep up the good work.
Thanks for your lovely comment 53pak. We are trying to keep up the good work.
:)
Awesome review, Like it a lot 🙂
Thanks Michaels. That episode was filmed last year. We are currently filming 5yrs at 107,000km.
Hang around for that episode later in the year.
Good to see you guys back, it's been a while! And great to see your Leaf still going so well. It's interesting to see how much misinformation around EVs there still is judging by the comments! lol
Yes Pangit, we have popped back onto youtube for a while anyway.
Love the comments about everybody's EV Drive Battery experiences. The good, bad and in-between.
But Lordy Lordy give me strength.
The Arm chair critics pop in every so often.
And say silly stuff.
:)
1:18 Why do you charge it so much if it has a 270-340 km real world range?
87,638 km / 581 charges = average of only 150 km / charge
Good point, I think the previous owner did a lot of short charging in Japan.
But checkout my very first Batteries years ago and compare.
Battery check - 2 Years and 30000km
th-cam.com/video/sezcdXpessw/w-d-xo.html
@@ev4me2 OK, you averaged 200 km / charge (57,638 km / 288 charges) compared to the previous
owner's 100 km / charge. A little more respectable!
Thanks for sharing your real world ownership experience. Really helps genuine people looking at buying an EV as so much AI generated and EV hater BS out there.
Keep the videos coming 👍
Hey thanks "Electric Car Australia"
I like your channel, don't know how we missed it.
You have a new subscriber.
The Nissan Ariya 2023 is the one I have with a 65kWh battery, and this past winter, I only lost 12.47% of range due to cold. Most cars lose 10%-30% due to cold weather. Now the 2024, 2025, and 2026 Ariya will have 10 trim levels and "supposedly" better/ bigger batteries later on. Nissan just opened the Leaf batteries to all manufacturers like open source software anyone can make the batteries which will make them cheaper.
Still really good for a Ariya. At least you have some liquid cooling in your drive Battery.
The Ariya is really good to drive as well,. Here is a colab we did with Jay, from DRIVE EV in New Zealand a couple of years ago.
th-cam.com/video/qD0cKvuorPI/w-d-xo.html
Canada:
Nissan 'long range" Leaf with 60 kW battery is $57,000 ($52,000 with rebate) with 342 km range
Mazda 3 GT (loaded) is $40,000 with a range of >620 km , full to empty
(Full price, tax etc. inc.)
I know which one I bought.
A NO-brainer!!!
wow, I didn't realise you travelled 620km per trip, never stopping, that must be insane. I assume you like murder because that's what happens with driver inattentiveness,
Oh wait, I'll assume you don't do that..
You do know the difference between range and trip, right?
@@masongraml1713lol
you do realise range isn't important for 99% of people that claim it is, right? you're stilling going to stop the same amount of times.@@Grantorius
So its still under warranty?
No Yuki not under warranty since she left Japan nearly 4 years ago.
But she is nearly 5, so warranty would almost be expired.
But Nissan Australia still happy to service a JDM LEAF
:)
That's very low mileage for 4 years. I'm doing 50 000 km+ per year. Highway driver at high speed. If you're not driving a lot the ev is probably ok for some people. There are bigger concerns then battery degradation. It's not even in my top 5
Lol. Only been 1.5 years and I have 70k on my Bolt. Modern EV batteries are built different
My question is what will the battery be like after 30 years which is normal age car I drive...
I never buy anything less than 20 years old and keep them for 10 to 20 years after that...
Well that is a very interesting question. I do not really know.
I guess like most cars in general, Yuki the Nissan LEAF will be scraped & recycled.
Roughly 95% of that old battery material will go into making a LFP battery for a new EV in the future.
The average lifespan of a vehicle in Australia is roughly 10 years.
I assume most would be scraped between 15 - 20 years.
But don't worry petrol cars will still be around for a while, but mostly moving towards hybrid technology.
@@ev4me2 Most 4wd off road people prefer the older 80s and 90s 4wd vehicles...
I am in New Zealand and we hold on to cars for much longer...
It'll be dead in 10-15 years, so the car will be junked, IMPACTING the climate WAY more than an ICE car that CAN go 200-300K IF taken care of and repaired.
@@ev4me2the average age of the car fleet in Australia is 11 years 3 months..
Not bad for a car without active battery management
Yeah, really good for a EV battery with no liquid cooling.
Thank god they make better EV batteries today.
:)
Most Teslas are down 8% after 4 years and 90K km
Hello to our Tesla comrade.
Yes thats still pretty good for a Tessie.
Hang around for our next episode.
You will be surprised !
Extremely hard to sell a second hand EV
Yup. Thats why its hard to find one on the used market right now. Because everyone keeps buying them all.
@silvy7394 most garages will not sell second hand evs nobody wants them..
We sold our Black Nissan LEAF ZE1 a month ago. It was not too hard.
But thats in Canberra Australia, it might be different where you are ?
Don’t know battery size, but my nieces leaf (first model ish) used to do 130km on a charge, now she’s lucky if she can get 70km, less of she goes rural. Cars tidy, just worth nothing as a trade as dealers won’t touch it, new battery was ludicrous…so it’s the kiddy school car. She likes it, it’s just no longer practical as anything but its current job, and just not capable of being a ‘normal’ car.
One thing mate…how old is your leaf? Ide be hoping the engine in my daily didn’t need replacing in 80,000 too.
I assume your niece has a ZE0 Nissan LEAF. Like the first generation of anything, it was OK.
ZE0 was a very important car in Drive Battery development. But they stopped making them back nearly 9 years ago,
as they moved onto a better battery in the AZE0 LEAF in 2016.
Yuki (the EV in the Video), is a ZE1 LR Nissan LEAF manufactured Mar 2019, in Japan.
Batteries made today are light years ahead in chemistry and BMS (Battery management System) Technology.
The Battery in Yuki is not manufactured anymore, and is considered old chemistry and design.
A LFP (Latest chemistry) Battery made today, for a BYD or Tesla EV, will last well into the 2030's.
A LFP Battery made today, for a BYD or Tesla EV will have, X3 or X4 times the range of your neices ZE0 Nissan LEAF "NEW".
Great question Angus
LFP (formerly referred to as LiFePO4 or lithium ferrophosphate) batteries have been around for quite a while. It's hardly a new chemistry. I have a 10 year old bank in my boat, and I wasn't an early adopter.
They actually don't have the charging rates or energy density of some other chemistries like Lithium polymer, but they are safer.
@@alanjm1234yeah didnt some company make some for the gen2 prius? its a shame hardly anybody develops kits to replace the old tech with newer tech batteries, i did get one for the prius that improved the cooling and gave it a second life but what an ordeal
EV Hiroshi TH-cam has 78% SOH on Leaf 40kWh. Odometer is 303 000km.
Yes I follow his YT Channel.
He is doing extremely well.
Leaf e+ 4 years and 82000km is at 89 % ....
That us really good for a e+ Nissan Leaf.
Thx for sharing.
😀
Yeah battery is still good! So you're charging it the right way! But if you want to trade the Leaf in, to a dealer they can't sell it because they cannot provide a warranty for it! A
We just sold our 40kWh Black ZE1 Nissan LEAF recently, but we did not trade in, we sold privately.
So do not really have the experience of trading in a EV?
I have a thirteen year old diesel car with 97000 miles on it but it still takes the same amount of fuel and has the same range as when it was new. This is despite me always filling (charging) it to 100% and often taking it to empty. Also, the refilling (recharging) to restore the 550 mile range takes a mere 5 minutes once or twice a month. And finally, my range is wholly unaffected by use of the air con, heating, wipers, headlights and radio.
If you are happy with your diesel car, thats all that really matters you.
It is like we are really happy with both 2 Electric Vehicles, and thats all that matters to us.
There is a guy down the road, that rides his motorbike to work on freezing cold mornings, that what makes him happy.
Enjoy your life driving your diesel car, if that what brings you joy.
Life is too short to worry about what other people are driving.
Everybody is different, as long as we are all Happy.
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@@ev4me2 I am an EV sceptic but do accept that there are situations where they could be the best choice for someone. However, there are an awful lot of flaws to overcome before they become the true replacement for ICE that our governments are pushing for.
@@Twmpa and thats where people get bogged down on rhetoric - it works for some people, doesn't work for others. EV's aren't the one stop solution so people need to work together to find whats best for them.
I would not min an EV, but they do not fit my lifestyle. I can not charge at home, but I bought an Mini cooper ev anyway, and it was a terrible decision. My days got around 2 hours longer each day, and the cost of public chargers meant it was not even cheaper than my precious ice, not to mention insurance was $1400 a year (!). So now I am back in an ice again, and it gets me around 900km on a tank and is $500 a year in insurance.
EV makes sense in built up areas and slower roads. They are most efficient at slow speed, ICE vehicle are the complete opposite so it depends really upon where you do most mileage or spend the most time. If you do a lot of faster roads then EV wont be very good for you as the range will be poor and cost you more to charge that what a petrol or diesel vehicle will cost to fill. Lots of town/ city driving then EV so much cheaper to run.
Great point Rich.
Calling a car with 270 - 340km range "Long range" is pretty laughable IMO.
Well at time the car was considered "Long Range", also this car is now 5 years old.
Our new EV has a "Real World Range" of roughly 500km.
That is more than enough for myself and Kaz.
We did not even have a petrol Car that could go that far.
But this is the thing, it is us driving the EV not you...
EV's are not for everybody
Maybe you should do some googling and check BYD and Tesla,
Check the range of EV's today.
Commenting on a video after watching 5 seconds is pretty laughable IMO
8,58% degradation in ~290 charging cycles... not great, not terrible. Equals 29,6% degradation in 1000 cycles (300.000 km).
Ahhhh, No
And this is why.
Battery Degradation is not linear.
SPOILER ALERT:
An updated 5yr 107,000 km episode was filmed a couple of months ago.
That will go to air later this year.
But it is 90.56% after 682 charging cycles.
Yuki the Nissan LEAF will hit approximately 20% degradation between 250,000km - 350,000km
That is still outstanding for a Lithium Ion Battery with not active cooling
This is also an older generation battery not made in great quality any more.
More modern day LFP batteries will get to between 500,000km - 1,500,000km before they hit 80%.
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"PromoSM" 🤷
Well Hello Little Bot !
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ignorance is bliss, it is only after 8 years that the risk of the car losing battery is below 70%
You could be right, You could be wrong ?
I will tell you in 3 years, as this episode was originally filmed last year, part of Season 4.
We are currently filming the 5Yr Battery check at 107,000km
And I am not going to tell you what the SOH of battery is, but it is still very very very good.
You will have to watch that episode (season 5, episode 8) later in the year.
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@@ev4me2i remember the same song with the prius, my second one was still functioning as normal after 15 years, towards the end maybe more fluctuations with temperature changes. i'll be one of the few optimists (although if i'm not mistaken the nissan has the renault's battery and a few people in europe were unhappy with it)
i wouldn't trust an app and $10 dongle to tell me the state of a $20k battery - when you have 100-1000s in series and parallel it only takes ONE to call it a bad day
This app and dongle combo has been used for the last 7 years.
It has been used to diagnose a Drive Battery Fault down to the module level (1 of 96)
It is really good at what it does, and is used by many many professionals.
To change out that faulty module on the very very rare occasion a fault occurs.
You might want to checkout how well this combo works in the video:
th-cam.com/video/-ySOspbt0BM/w-d-xo.html
Otherwise if you could think of a better way, tell all of us.
We would like to hear your theory.
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@@ev4me2 i seriously doubt EV mechanics use a $10 tool to diagnose a battery. if it was that simple it would be standard when you drive away or a $10 option (or after dealer margins $50)
the price of the dongle does not alter the values in the BMS@@sk7262
If the dongle can read the values, then it's fine.
But with that said, you cannot determine the degradation of a battery, based on the SoH value on the BMS. It is much more complicated than that.
But is has nothing to to with the price of the dongle 😂😂
WOW, that's AWFUL! In another 4 years, you'll likely be just under 80%. THINK about that POOR range. Loosing over 20% battery. You're already at 10% loss on an already shitty range.
Degradation isnt linear. It slows down after first 2 years. Congratulations on being uneducated and ignorant.
Hi Jacob, the degradation is not linear over time.
This episode was filmed last year.
We are now filming the "5yr 106,000 km" episode and trust me, you are not going to be happy with those numbers.
We have had these same comments for the last 3 years, yet Yuki the Nissan LEAF keeps proving people wrong.
Sorry not going to be under 80% in 4 years, watch the "5yr 106,000 km" video later in the year if you want.
Or you could watch video's you really like, and not come back to this channel.
If you do not like the video's, why watch them?
Life is too short.
have a lovely day dude.
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My neighbor's Telsa is down more with fewer mile. A S+ Leaf has nearly identical usable range to a M3 SR+ or base MY.
Not really EV are more expensive have very poor range and are prone to catching on fire. They also produce more pollution when built and just running an EV produces more pollution than a petrol/diesel car. So you failed from the start. Also on average Lithium-ion batteries last on average about 10 years. That will decrease depending on how you charge them the temperature they are kept at and a lot more. Where as petrol/diesel have less problems are cheaper to run and are better in every way. If you were taking about a hybrid you might have a valid point, but you waste everyone's time with EV crap.
Yeah they are expensive. As for range, our current new EV has a "Real World range' of 500km. You will see a video on that in next couple of months.
No not really more prone to catching on fire. Check out this article from the Guardian (one of the better publications) :
** www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles
But, you can also google the info and get it from neutral and balanced source.
The Carbon footprint to a produce a 62 kWh battery is roughly 6.2 tonnes, paid back within 12 - 18 months
We have been charging from 100% renewable electricity, since we got the car in 2020.
This car has saved us over its lifetime (roughly 4 years) about $16000, thats including electricity, servicing, rego etc
Here is an earlier video on that (Petrol is now $2/lt here in Canberra, not $1.40/lt) :
** th-cam.com/video/s3hc7Xb0tsY/w-d-xo.html
It has offset 22 tones of carbon, comparing it to the car it replaced.
More than happy to fail in your eyes.
If you don't like the EV crap, stop watching the video's
Life is too short, watch video's that you like.
Have a lovely day.
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong and Wrong again. DO try to keep up! LOL. Maybe you're working for Iran Oil?
@@alexmckenna1171 Sorry I am dead right. You can push your misinformation as much as you like but that's all it is. Hybrids are the way to go EV are already dead.
@@ev4me2 Well my diesel has about 900km plus range and EV say 500km but it is more likely 300km real world range if that. And yes, they are prone to catching fire and are very hard to put out.