@@jackbuendgen389he sure is! Funny how he gave Mathews a 4/5 on speed that shoot 15 FPS slow lol. Then “took into consideration they have 80% mods” and then gave them credit for an additional 4-5 fps. Hoyt has 80% Letoff on their cams. He never took that into consideration. Only for Mathews
@@connor_bohnts it’s a speed test! You can’t give 1 company a make belief additional 4 fps for Letoff and not do it for the other company in order to make 1 company look better. I own a VTM and a RX/8 and a V3X. I know all about the difference. Going from 80-85% on a Hoyt and you will not even notice it regarding DL. Mathews always measured 1/2 long but you never see him factor that in. The Mathews was very far off it’s IBO and should not get a 4/5. Not saying it’s a bad bow but he should be honest.
Just the fact that you are wearing a Hoyt shirt while reviewing the Mathews speaks volumes. Always like watching your product reviews and especially like the metrics used to evaluate each bow on a level playing field. Great work !
Keep up the good work! I'm on deployment and downloading these videos on a port call so I can watch them even when I don't have Internet. Can't wait to see all the bows in person when I get back!
Picked mine up today I got it at 80lbs because at 80 it’s no exaggeration easier feeling than my Bowtech SR6 at 70. (Especially the let down) My tech asked me if I had watched the MFJJ review as if it was a prerequisite.
Great job brother! I will agree that you do a great job on your reviews. I just got back from the shop and shot the Hoyts, Matthews, and the Bowtech. I hate to say that the Matthews felt the worse this year. Felt like they went backwards on draw cycle and vibration. Was disappointed, the other 2 were neck and neck. Looking forward to more reviews. Also thank you for being a fantastic retailer for my archery needs!
Mfjj I think alot of people agree. I really like how you rate bows and don't cater major bow companies you show and tell exactly how the bows no sugar coating going on. The bow is what is lol
Thank you for doing Honest reviews! This is a sweet looking rig! I have never owned a Mathews but have shot one a couple years ago and really liked it think this is the year I will make the change. I don’t know why so many people hate on Mathews haters gonna hate I guess
Thanks for doing these reviews. It would be super helpful if you had a list of all of your bow ratings on your website so everyone could go to one place to see all the bow ratings.
Now rates do nothing because most people that buy one is gonna leave a 5 star. If they don’t then they won’t review. Then additionally everyone is different in what feels good. Some people say the lift isn’t smooths I think it’s draw is smoother yet has a bit heavier feel than all others. To the point I ordered 80# mods because 70# mods was like butter coming back. I personally have never been a big fan everyone calling people fanboys though. Most people have never talked to people that’s a part of the company’s. Mathews is the only manufacturer that will make you feel like family while they brake it off inside you attempting to get you to buy a bow. Hoyt bowtech they don’t even use ky before they rape your wallet.
Hey Brother. Another awesome bow review for the best bow reviewer on the internet. I've always wanted a Mathews, but I can never afford one. And I won't be getting this one anytime soon. It is a badass bow for sure. Really appreciate you doing such in depth testing and holding the companies to their word. I'll see you on the 33" video.
Hello. Oh yeah. I totally agree. I'm looking at a couple of Mathews that are a couple years old. Where the person had 2 bows already, then upgraded. And are now selling their extra bow. I have 2 bows right now. A 2007 Diamond Triumph, that I bought in 2018, and I just bought a brand new 2022 Bear Legit at the beginning of this year. I'm now wishing I would have waited on the Bear purchase and saved for a better bow. It's a good bow, don't get me wrong, but it lacks alot of features that the flagship bows have. I'll get a flagship bow one day. I appreciate the advice. Thanks.
Very fair review. He is just as hard on Matthew’s equipment as he is on any other brand, even budget products. He gave it a 3 for tunability because that’s a fair number. Anyone claiming he’s excessively pro Matthew’s has to deal with that fact. Decided to hold off on Bear Alaskan XT and saving another 6 months for the lift. I want to try it after watching this. Great vid
Another great review, thank you. I went back and watched your Phase 4 29 review. Phase 4 was 330 fps. Lift 29.5 is 333 fps. Not enough to move the needle for me, especially if the draw cycle is any stiffer than Phase 4. For me the upgrade decision will be about the weight savings versus my Phase 4. The lighter weight is very impressive.
Love the payback troll job with the T shirts. Wore a Mathews shirt for the Hoyt release and not a Hoyt shirt for the Mathews release. This just screams MFJJ!!!!!!
You can't mark down for ATA and brace height if you didn't make sure the strings were to factory spec. Twist the String, Cables and yokes to stated factory spec, then check ATA and Brace height.
My only comment back to Mathews engineers when they say “we can build an aluminum bow better than a carbon bow” is, “Wake up. The customer is asking for a carbon bow from Mathews. Carbon bows aren’t a fad. There are a LOT of customers who would LOVE to have a choice of a Mathews carbon bow. And you are telling them to go buy a Hoyt or Bow Tech or PSE or Elite.” I’m in sales, too. And one rule of thumb I always use is to ask myself “what would my competition think of this strategy?” So I ask you, what would Hoyt and the other carbon bow manufacturers think if Mathews came out with an incredible carbon bow? Would they be all happy, or would it give them heartburn and cold sweats? Yeah, I bet the latter, too. So come on! Let’s see your best carbon bow, Mathews! Carbon is just plain cool for a lot of us, and we know you can do it. Look at those carbon guitars you make. You’re basically telling the top of the market bow buyers, who couldn’t care less about a price difference, to pound sand. How is that a good business decision? Best of luck to you. Hope you offer me a carbon bow someday.
I watched people shooting the LIFT at an archery shop. There was a guy shooting a Phase 4 near them. The Phase 4 sure sounded more quiet than the LIFT did. The LIFT they were shooting was all decked out with a stabilizer, etc. ( I think it was the factory demo setup sent to the dealer, fully equipped). The Phase 4 was equipped similar and it was easily more quiet. Also, the guy shooting the LIFT said the draw cycle was very heavy at the front end of the cycle. Very interesting! I have not shot one, just sharing what I have seen so far. My dealer said all of the LIFTs so far have come in really heavy in terms of draw weight. With a 70# mod they are drawing close to 75 lbs, etc. Another interesting point.
@mountaineermaniac7005 Why is PSE close? They specifically list IBO on there bows? It's 5 grains per pound of draw weight UP TO 80#. Why do bows that are unavailable in 80# still show IBO speeds? Why does he crucify Prime for not coming close to their listed IBO speed? Why are they not gifted the same leeway as Mathews? ATA guidelines fall within IBO guidelines as well.
@@setharter IBO guidelines allow a maximum of 80lbs, so if other platforms don’t offer an 80lb option then they can’t test/publish those results at their maximum. You can still call it IBO, but your just not getting the most from what is allowed. Why they don’t publish their results as ATA instead? Probably because IBO is what everyone recognizes.
Just listened to you talking about getting out all the bow reviews out before everybody else in the podcast yesterday. I thought it was kind of funny that bow huntordied Had their review up early this morning
11 fps off while giving them the free 4fps even though the parts aren’t available should have been a 3 if you ask me. But it’s not my channel. I think it’s pretty clear that’s being extra generous when on any other bow you wouldn’t have finagled yourself into justifying the misrepresentation. Even with 4fps being given for a part that’s not available it was still outside of your 10 fps range but you gave them a free excuse by saying it’s still fast for the feel 😂 either be objective or don’t come up with a scoring system. That’s why people are mad. There is clearly some sort of difference between manufacturers or you would say the same things about Mathew’s that you critique on every other manufacturer
My Bowtech RPM 360 is the smoothest-drawing speed bow I have ever had the pleasure of owning. At 26.5" draw length (27" measured), 64#, it shoots my 385 grain arrows at 285 FPS. The draw cycle is smooth as all get-out, and the way I have it set up at 85% let-off, I can practically hold it forever.
My hoyt maxxis 31 only weighs 3.6- 3.7ish?? Very light. Its good to see mathews moving back towards this and still moving forward with speed , features, shootability. I’m going to have to shoot this bow( maybe the 33 too)
I love your reviews !! But where are you going with it are you going to do a leader board ? Best hunting most forgiving ? Just asking nothing but respect
Could you do a video explaining why you chose these particular measurements to judge a bow by? I'm still trying to learn and get lost some when you're spitting out these numbers. Thanks!
What test do you honestly recommend for this or the 33? I’m leaning towards the hamskea epsilon but I’m not sure if I want the extra cord running all the way down to the limb. Also would be epsilon work with the Mathews low pro quiver?
I’ll admit this may be the quietest bow on the market, which does make it a joy to shoot. The draw cycle is very linear, it feels like 70# all the way till it drops into the slot, whereas my pse tapers off towards the end. Not better just different. But With a 332.66 average fps I’ll keep my 4 yo evo nxt that’s rated at 329 and ACTUALLY shoots 329 at 30/70/350. At best I’d pick up 4-5 fps not worth the $1400 price tag imo.
Sounds like another great bow from Mathews. Will be keeping my Phase 4. I shoot at 55 lbs nd 26 inch dl. Not going to get any significant speed increase with the Lift.
Exactly so spend your cash at the hair and nail salon. And that's an impressive draw weight for a woman. You must work out a ton. To bad there's not much of anything you can do being born so petite about your draw length. Nice to see woman so involved in the archery game. You go get emm girl !!
Hey! I’m a bow tech I talked to my Mathews rep and you can only take the limb bolt out 2 full turns compared to the usual three due to the smaller limb bolt you might have already k ew this but if not there you go
Would love to have u do a vid with the Mathews lift with 55 lb mods on it and back the limb bolts out to the the max to see what pound it will go down to for those of us that have lower poundage draw weights would be interested to know if the lift will work for us . Of course my bow shops have not got hands on 55lb mods yet
For years I've been in a situation, financially, to buy a new flagship bow, but never found anything significantly improved enough over my Heli-m to justify upgrading. Now that I changed jobs so I can go back to finish out a degree, and am broke as hell, Mathews drops this........... are you fuggin' serious Mathews.... 😐
Ugggggg I like this guy and watch him all the time. I wish he would understand how mathews speed tests their bows!! They test IBO!!! Podium archer guy tests the bows at ACA specs!!!! Disagree with the tests mathews does but don’t call them liars and mark them down for not being close to your tests which are different than the way they tested…. I would think he would know!!!
See I want the 33, but the shop owner told me to go 29.5 and that even he will be taking it out west and his 33 will be for 3D. But then one of his employees was pushing the 33 because ultimately is 3.5in or 1.75 top and bottom really going to get in the way when in the tree and wouldn’t you rather have a more accurate and forgiving setup. I’m torn, may just save the money from going 29.5 and applying it towards the new QAD
@@MJswam4AU for the record, the 29.5 measured I believe at 29.75" for the riser length. My Mach 34 measures 29.5" for a riser length, and it's a 34" ATA bow, which holds and aims exceptionally well on target.
Any chance of a rx8 vs a lift video maybe the alpha x. I just see this as the bows that are at the top and would be great to see what you think shooting them side by side.
I would love to see this as well. Seems like these are the two companies with most improvements/innovations this year and would love to see them head to head
Adjustability is a 2 you have to buy other things to tune that bow or to change the draw length or to change the weight. But simply buying Mods to change the weight does a lot cheaper than buying limbs
You have to take it to a shop and buy additional parts. At that point it is not more adjustable than any other bow...you might as well buy multiple different bows to get that adjustability range. Still love it and it will probably be my new purchase, but I think that needs higher consideration.
This bow with tune-ability and features that Bowtech has would have been the craziest hunting bow to hit the market. The hype is cool and the lightness and speed sure but id almost sacrifice that to have the features and tune-ability to do myself without a whole press and draw board and shop. Only thing i hear is bowtechs servings and cables arent durable at all which is a little scary
The factory strings/cables on my Bowtech SS34 were garbage, the serving on the cables separated in just a few shots. I replaced them with Catfish Custom strings/cables and those have been perfect. Outside of the string/cable issue, my SS34 is easily the best bow I have shot in a very long time, and I have had all of the Hoyts, Mathews, etc. the past few years. The deadlock cam system on Bowtech is a feature that elevates Bowtech in a very big way.
@@huntsimple9527 see thats so annoying to hear seeing as it has all those amazing features yet you have to change strings and cables right away and cant even get away with the factory set for half a season or more. I just went with Catfish too for my older RX-1! Havent put them on yet because i got them little later than expected when the season already started here but i went with all flo orange Vec-99 set. Great guy and customer service. Helped me on the phone. Heard great things and i was between Catfish, A3, threadz, or twisted X and chose catfish due to the bloodline material he uses and better lead times
Yup...now gotta buy a ton more mods and other accessories. Still using archaic system mixed with great tech.....nickle and dime ya...but they make a lot of money off of it.. terrible for dealers who have to buy the mods...they are not given.
I think you really wanted to give this bow all the points you could. True average of those 3 shots was closer to 332, not 333. Even if you give it an imaginary 4fps, thats still well below your own benchmark of no less than 10fps slow. Have you ever given a bow extra speed in a review based on a hypothetical? Id be curious to see what it actually does at 80% letoff. Regardless, nice review and looks like a solid option!
Has nothing to do with that. IBO speed testing is not based on the criteria he is using. IBO speed tests are done with 80 lbs draw weight, 400 grain arrow, and there is no draw length max. So in my opinion it’s a fictional number for most of us. What he is testing against is ATA speeds. Mathews doesn’t publish the ATA speeds which is something that I don’t understand because everyone assumes that they are lying, they aren’t but what they are telling us is not a realistic setup for 99% of us.
I finally got to shoot one. The 33. The "the draw cycle is trash" crowd have to be biased. I mean, it's smooth from start to finish and I'm coming from a solocam dxt point of view.
You have a 4 out of 5 on speed because they advertised it faster and maybe I didn’t hear it but was that advertised speed with 80lb mods? So maybe they weren’t lying since you’re using 70lb mods?
My God the amount of people saying "test it correctly at 80# 400 grain arrow" 🤦♂️🤦♂️. It's the same as 70# and 350 ffs. (Not including the draw length some mentioned)
Aweome and fair review, I dont know if I understood you properly but curious about some of the critiques you had for the mathews engineers while on your hunting trip?
You wear mathews gear for the hoyt bows and hoyt gear for mathews bows. I see you Josh lol.
Our guy ain't bought!
Yup and gave the 33 a 4/5 ranking for speed and it was 15 fps slow
@@jackbuendgen389he sure is! Funny how he gave Mathews a 4/5 on speed that shoot 15 FPS slow lol. Then “took into consideration they have 80% mods” and then gave them credit for an additional 4-5 fps. Hoyt has 80% Letoff on their cams. He never took that into consideration. Only for Mathews
How is a 348 FPS bow that shoots 334 only 4 feet off????????
@@connor_bohnts it’s a speed test! You can’t give 1 company a make belief additional 4 fps for Letoff and not do it for the other company in order to make 1 company look better. I own a VTM and a RX/8 and a V3X. I know all about the difference. Going from 80-85% on a Hoyt and you will not even notice it regarding DL. Mathews always measured 1/2 long but you never see him factor that in. The Mathews was very far off it’s IBO and should not get a 4/5. Not saying it’s a bad bow but he should be honest.
Appreciate your reviews on bows and archery gear. About as non biased as you can get. My go to resource for archery info. Keep up the the good work.
Understand how much effort and work you put into these reviews. Nice job and thanks
Just the fact that you are wearing a Hoyt shirt while reviewing the Mathews speaks volumes. Always like watching your product reviews and especially like the metrics used to evaluate each bow on a level playing field. Great work !
Great reviews I’m a Mathew’s guy but your reviews r spot on and accurate thanks for taking the time and getting the information out
Keep up the good work! I'm on deployment and downloading these videos on a port call so I can watch them even when I don't have Internet. Can't wait to see all the bows in person when I get back!
Picked mine up today I got it at 80lbs because at 80 it’s no exaggeration easier feeling than my Bowtech SR6 at 70. (Especially the let down) My tech asked me if I had watched the MFJJ review as if it was a prerequisite.
Great job brother! I will agree that you do a great job on your reviews. I just got back from the shop and shot the Hoyts, Matthews, and the Bowtech. I hate to say that the Matthews felt the worse this year. Felt like they went backwards on draw cycle and vibration. Was disappointed, the other 2 were neck and neck. Looking forward to more reviews. Also thank you for being a fantastic retailer for my archery needs!
Thanks JJ! Can’t wait for mine to come in. Great review.
Just saw your tac video didnt relise you did so much more this is awesome buddy thanks for the video. Looking at one myself right now
Mfjj I think alot of people agree. I really like how you rate bows and don't cater major bow companies you show and tell exactly how the bows no sugar coating going on. The bow is what is lol
Thank you for another great review, Josh!
Thank you for doing Honest reviews! This is a sweet looking rig! I have never owned a Mathews but have shot one a couple years ago and really liked it think this is the year I will make the change. I don’t know why so many people hate on Mathews haters gonna hate I guess
Welp, guess I'll be heading to my bow shop this weekend to give it a test run. Well done on the video as always! 🤙🤘
Just looked st this bow today and felt comfortable with it. Ove always owned matthews shots others, but After this review you just sold me on it!
Great review. Keep em coming!
I enjoy how you wore your Hoyt shirt for the Matthews video and your Matthews shirt for the Hoyt video....things you learn when you watch EVERY VIDEO
Thanks for doing these reviews. It would be super helpful if you had a list of all of your bow ratings on your website so everyone could go to one place to see all the bow ratings.
Now rates do nothing because most people that buy one is gonna leave a 5 star. If they don’t then they won’t review. Then additionally everyone is different in what feels good. Some people say the lift isn’t smooths I think it’s draw is smoother yet has a bit heavier feel than all others. To the point I ordered 80# mods because 70# mods was like butter coming back. I personally have never been a big fan everyone calling people fanboys though. Most people have never talked to people that’s a part of the company’s. Mathews is the only manufacturer that will make you feel like family while they brake it off inside you attempting to get you to buy a bow. Hoyt bowtech they don’t even use ky before they rape your wallet.
Hey Brother. Another awesome bow review for the best bow reviewer on the internet. I've always wanted a Mathews, but I can never afford one. And I won't be getting this one anytime soon. It is a badass bow for sure. Really appreciate you doing such in depth testing and holding the companies to their word. I'll see you on the 33" video.
Better off buying good 2nd hand bows mate, new bows are nice but don't get sucked in
Hello. Oh yeah. I totally agree. I'm looking at a couple of Mathews that are a couple years old. Where the person had 2 bows already, then upgraded. And are now selling their extra bow. I have 2 bows right now. A 2007 Diamond Triumph, that I bought in 2018, and I just bought a brand new 2022 Bear Legit at the beginning of this year. I'm now wishing I would have waited on the Bear purchase and saved for a better bow. It's a good bow, don't get me wrong, but it lacks alot of features that the flagship bows have. I'll get a flagship bow one day. I appreciate the advice. Thanks.
So freaking awesome! I can’t wait try one out!
Great Review! Very Honest and non bias.
Measuring with a home depot paint stick. Ill have to mark you down for that 3.2/5😂😂😂. Great reviews love the channel!!
I like when you wear Hoyt shirts to review
Mathew’s and Mathew’s to review Hoyt , savage
Thank you for sharing this great information
Very fair review. He is just as hard on Matthew’s equipment as he is on any other brand, even budget products. He gave it a 3 for tunability because that’s a fair number. Anyone claiming he’s excessively pro Matthew’s has to deal with that fact. Decided to hold off on Bear Alaskan XT and saving another 6 months for the lift. I want to try it after watching this. Great vid
Great review but the speed should be a 3 🧐
Agreed and the price score of 5 is ridiculous.
Mathews is advertizing IBO speed. It might be interesting to measure the speed with both IBO and ATA parameters. I can't wait to shoot this bow!
Great review MFJJ. i only wish I didn’t buy the phase 4 now. Wife threw a hard O when I said Mathews has a better bow for me😂
Another great review, thank you. I went back and watched your Phase 4 29 review. Phase 4 was 330 fps. Lift 29.5 is 333 fps. Not enough to move the needle for me, especially if the draw cycle is any stiffer than Phase 4. For me the upgrade decision will be about the weight savings versus my Phase 4. The lighter weight is very impressive.
Interesting all his other reviews he used a whisker biscuit not a QAD
I’ve got one ordered, looking forward to it. Mine will be in 80% let off.
Great job Josh!
~Dieter
Great job as always!👍
Nuff said 😁🥰🙏😇
Love the payback troll job with the T shirts. Wore a Mathews shirt for the Hoyt release and not a Hoyt shirt for the Mathews release. This just screams MFJJ!!!!!!
MFJJ for the best bow reviews and lusk archery for broadheads. What a time to be alive.
Josh, thank you for everything. That is all.
😂
Yes would much rather have an aluminum Mathews made in the USA instead of a Chinese carbon Hoyt where the riser is made in a sweatshop
You can't mark down for ATA and brace height if you didn't make sure the strings were to factory spec. Twist the String, Cables and yokes to stated factory spec, then check ATA and Brace height.
My only comment back to Mathews engineers when they say “we can build an aluminum bow better than a carbon bow” is, “Wake up. The customer is asking for a carbon bow from Mathews. Carbon bows aren’t a fad. There are a LOT of customers who would LOVE to have a choice of a Mathews carbon bow. And you are telling them to go buy a Hoyt or Bow Tech or PSE or Elite.”
I’m in sales, too. And one rule of thumb I always use is to ask myself “what would my competition think of this strategy?” So I ask you, what would Hoyt and the other carbon bow manufacturers think if Mathews came out with an incredible carbon bow? Would they be all happy, or would it give them heartburn and cold sweats? Yeah, I bet the latter, too. So come on! Let’s see your best carbon bow, Mathews! Carbon is just plain cool for a lot of us, and we know you can do it. Look at those carbon guitars you make. You’re basically telling the top of the market bow buyers, who couldn’t care less about a price difference, to pound sand. How is that a good business decision? Best of luck to you. Hope you offer me a carbon bow someday.
I watched people shooting the LIFT at an archery shop. There was a guy shooting a Phase 4 near them. The Phase 4 sure sounded more quiet than the LIFT did. The LIFT they were shooting was all decked out with a stabilizer, etc. ( I think it was the factory demo setup sent to the dealer, fully equipped). The Phase 4 was equipped similar and it was easily more quiet. Also, the guy shooting the LIFT said the draw cycle was very heavy at the front end of the cycle. Very interesting! I have not shot one, just sharing what I have seen so far.
My dealer said all of the LIFTs so far have come in really heavy in terms of draw weight. With a 70# mod they are drawing close to 75 lbs, etc. Another interesting point.
Josh, I believe your testing the speed with ATA specs. The IBO guideline is 80lbs 400 grain and maximum draw length.
Agreed. His is ATA and the advertised is IBO.
Everyone advertises IBO. Mathews just doesn't come close to it.
@@setharter None of them will if you test for an IBO speed with ATA guidelines. These are 2 different things.
@mountaineermaniac7005 Why is PSE close? They specifically list IBO on there bows? It's 5 grains per pound of draw weight UP TO 80#. Why do bows that are unavailable in 80# still show IBO speeds? Why does he crucify Prime for not coming close to their listed IBO speed? Why are they not gifted the same leeway as Mathews? ATA guidelines fall within IBO guidelines as well.
@@setharter IBO guidelines allow a maximum of 80lbs, so if other platforms don’t offer an 80lb option then they can’t test/publish those results at their maximum. You can still call it IBO, but your just not getting the most from what is allowed. Why they don’t publish their results as ATA instead? Probably because IBO is what everyone recognizes.
Just listened to you talking about getting out all the bow reviews out before everybody else in the podcast yesterday. I thought it was kind of funny that bow huntordied Had their review up early this morning
I’ve always been a Mathews guy. I have been considering changing. Now after this review it appears I ain’t going nowhere. Seems like an impressive bow
Same my buddy switched from the phase4 to the prime revex for this season was thinking about switching to but not now!
@@TheJoeml85did you prefere the prime revex? I love the finish of them
What mathews are you currently shooting? Just curious
@@alansousa2488 i like the lift better
@@brettb4452 halon 32 5 inch brace height
You are quite pro Mathews this year:)
11 fps off while giving them the free 4fps even though the parts aren’t available should have been a 3 if you ask me. But it’s not my channel. I think it’s pretty clear that’s being extra generous when on any other bow you wouldn’t have finagled yourself into justifying the misrepresentation. Even with 4fps being given for a part that’s not available it was still outside of your 10 fps range but you gave them a free excuse by saying it’s still fast for the feel 😂 either be objective or don’t come up with a scoring system. That’s why people are mad. There is clearly some sort of difference between manufacturers or you would say the same things about Mathew’s that you critique on every other manufacturer
You seem a little biased when it comes to Mathews just a little bit
My Bowtech RPM 360 is the smoothest-drawing speed bow I have ever had the pleasure of owning. At 26.5" draw length (27" measured), 64#, it shoots my 385 grain arrows at 285 FPS. The draw cycle is smooth as all get-out, and the way I have it set up at 85% let-off, I can practically hold it forever.
Well nuts. I wish theyd done this earlier. I'm locked in on my VXR for the forseable future.
awesome review! Even better that you're wearing a Hoyt shirt while reviewing a Mathews bow hahahaha
Damn, 16 feet slow. Ok 12 feet slow but still if another company did this it would be a 2 not a 4. Haha😂
100% he tested another bow that same week and it was 15 fps slow and gave it a 1/5 yet Mathews was 16fps and got a 4/5 lol
I have Mathews vertix love that bow
Good review. The Hoyt Alphamax weighed under 4 pounds.
My hoyt maxxis 31 only weighs 3.6- 3.7ish?? Very light. Its good to see mathews moving back towards this and still moving forward with speed , features, shootability. I’m going to have to shoot this bow( maybe the 33 too)
I've always found Mathews bows too top heavy with the extra machine work I'll have to try one out.
I love your reviews !! But where are you going with it are you going to do a leader board ? Best hunting most forgiving ? Just asking nothing but respect
Could you do a video explaining why you chose these particular measurements to judge a bow by? I'm still trying to learn and get lost some when you're spitting out these numbers. Thanks!
Glad I didn’t get the phase 4 last yr. I’m getting the lift 29.5 this year
This is a beautiful bow. Been shooting it now for three months. My only complaint is the draw cycle. And that's not very a big complaint
Mfjj if you were picking a bow to shoot out of the new bows which would you choose and why or maybe that’s a future vid? Love your input
it's strange alot of other people getting much slower readings with the lift using the same thing also tested with different arrow weights.
Since Mathew’s uses IBO standards for speed test instead of ATA standards will you be doing a speed testing using the IBO standards?
Only mathews would market a bow with the catchphrase “ lighter. Faster. Quieter” it’s lighter for sure, but it’s definitely not faster or quieter.
What test do you honestly recommend for this or the 33? I’m leaning towards the hamskea epsilon but I’m not sure if I want the extra cord running all the way down to the limb. Also would be epsilon work with the Mathews low pro quiver?
I’ll admit this may be the quietest bow on the market, which does make it a joy to shoot. The draw cycle is very linear, it feels like 70# all the way till it drops into the slot, whereas my pse tapers off towards the end. Not better just different. But With a 332.66 average fps I’ll keep my 4 yo evo nxt that’s rated at 329 and ACTUALLY shoots 329 at 30/70/350. At best I’d pick up 4-5 fps not worth the $1400 price tag imo.
Is there a rolling spreadsheet or something that can be seen with all the bow reviews and where they fall for each category?
Sounds like another great bow from Mathews. Will be keeping my Phase 4. I shoot at 55 lbs nd 26 inch dl. Not going to get any significant speed increase with the Lift.
Exactly so spend your cash at the hair and nail salon. And that's an impressive draw weight for a woman. You must work out a ton. To bad there's not much of anything you can do being born so petite about your draw length. Nice to see woman so involved in the archery game. You go get emm girl !!
@@brianloeffler2245is their a reason his comment offended you considering the condescending response?
Hey! I’m a bow tech I talked to my Mathews rep and you can only take the limb bolt out 2 full turns compared to the usual three due to the smaller limb bolt you might have already k ew this but if not there you go
Would love to have u do a vid with the Mathews lift with 55 lb mods on it and back the limb bolts out to the the max to see what pound it will go down to for those of us that have lower poundage draw weights would be interested to know if the lift will work for us . Of course my bow shops have not got hands on 55lb mods yet
IBO is 80lbs, 400 grain arrow and no draw length restriction.....thats where they're getting their numbers.....
I thought IBO was always 70#, 30" draw, 350 grain arrow.
@@calebwolff5983 that’s ATA
The only difference is the draw length.
@@JamesBond-oc4gm and the draw weight, and the arrow weight
@@michaelficarro2591 no, 80# and 400 will shoot the same as 70# and 350, or 60# and 300. The only difference is the draw length
Hi MFJJ. Can you use the top hats from the v3 on this lift?
Love the content
I would give the grip a 1 since everybody immediately changes it.
Looks like PSE and Bowtech come alot closer to their speed ratings
What bow vice is that? Looks simple and effective.
For years I've been in a situation, financially, to buy a new flagship bow, but never found anything significantly improved enough over my Heli-m to justify upgrading.
Now that I changed jobs so I can go back to finish out a degree, and am broke as hell, Mathews drops this........... are you fuggin' serious Mathews.... 😐
Good job
Josh, how is the string geometry? Are u tilting into nosevcontact?
Ugggggg
I like this guy and watch him all the time. I wish he would understand how mathews speed tests their bows!!
They test IBO!!!
Podium archer guy tests the bows at ACA specs!!!!
Disagree with the tests mathews does but don’t call them liars and mark them down for not being close to your tests which are different than the way they tested….
I would think he would know!!!
I was reading that their published speeds were ibo speeds.
For a tree stand bow, which length riser would you go with? Seems this shorter version is smooth and stable.
They both work fine in the stand. If youre saddle hunting id probably want 29.5
See I want the 33, but the shop owner told me to go 29.5 and that even he will be taking it out west and his 33 will be for 3D. But then one of his employees was pushing the 33 because ultimately is 3.5in or 1.75 top and bottom really going to get in the way when in the tree and wouldn’t you rather have a more accurate and forgiving setup. I’m torn, may just save the money from going 29.5 and applying it towards the new QAD
@@MJswam4AU for the record, the 29.5 measured I believe at 29.75" for the riser length. My Mach 34 measures 29.5" for a riser length, and it's a 34" ATA bow, which holds and aims exceptionally well on target.
Interested that mathews isn't leading in the vibration with all they do to prevent it exspecially compared to other bows
Which one pulls easier Alpha X or the 29 Lift?
I'm really curious about the speed on 24,5 draw.
Any chance of a rx8 vs a lift video maybe the alpha x. I just see this as the bows that are at the top and would be great to see what you think shooting them side by side.
I would love to see this as well. Seems like these are the two companies with most improvements/innovations this year and would love to see them head to head
With both with 80% let off lol
Adjustability is a 2 you have to buy other things to tune that bow or to change the draw length or to change the weight. But simply buying Mods to change the weight does a lot cheaper than buying limbs
It's more adjustable than any other bow available
@@ryanbode9467da hel, are living under the rock?
You have to take it to a shop and buy additional parts. At that point it is not more adjustable than any other bow...you might as well buy multiple different bows to get that adjustability range. Still love it and it will probably be my new purchase, but I think that needs higher consideration.
This bow with tune-ability and features that Bowtech has would have been the craziest hunting bow to hit the market. The hype is cool and the lightness and speed sure but id almost sacrifice that to have the features and tune-ability to do myself without a whole press and draw board and shop. Only thing i hear is bowtechs servings and cables arent durable at all which is a little scary
The factory strings/cables on my Bowtech SS34 were garbage, the serving on the cables separated in just a few shots. I replaced them with Catfish Custom strings/cables and those have been perfect. Outside of the string/cable issue, my SS34 is easily the best bow I have shot in a very long time, and I have had all of the Hoyts, Mathews, etc. the past few years. The deadlock cam system on Bowtech is a feature that elevates Bowtech in a very big way.
@@huntsimple9527 see thats so annoying to hear seeing as it has all those amazing features yet you have to change strings and cables right away and cant even get away with the factory set for half a season or more. I just went with Catfish too for my older RX-1! Havent put them on yet because i got them little later than expected when the season already started here but i went with all flo orange Vec-99 set. Great guy and customer service. Helped me on the phone. Heard great things and i was between Catfish, A3, threadz, or twisted X and chose catfish due to the bloodline material he uses and better lead times
@@huntsimple9527 makes the choice for a new bow soon, little more torn now even.
Yup...now gotta buy a ton more mods and other accessories. Still using archaic system mixed with great tech.....nickle and dime ya...but they make a lot of money off of it.. terrible for dealers who have to buy the mods...they are not given.
Are the IBO speeds based on the 80lb limbs?
You should check draw length before you turn out the limb bolts.
This bow is what you call a money maker.
which one- the Lift - or - the Alpha X 30?
I think you really wanted to give this bow all the points you could. True average of those 3 shots was closer to 332, not 333. Even if you give it an imaginary 4fps, thats still well below your own benchmark of no less than 10fps slow. Have you ever given a bow extra speed in a review based on a hypothetical? Id be curious to see what it actually does at 80% letoff. Regardless, nice review and looks like a solid option!
Update: just watched Dan Statons video on his Lift. He changed between 80% and 85% letoff mods and got identical speed.
Has nothing to do with that. IBO speed testing is not based on the criteria he is using. IBO speed tests are done with 80 lbs draw weight, 400 grain arrow, and there is no draw length max. So in my opinion it’s a fictional number for most of us. What he is testing against is ATA speeds. Mathews doesn’t publish the ATA speeds which is something that I don’t understand because everyone assumes that they are lying, they aren’t but what they are telling us is not a realistic setup for 99% of us.
@@win300mag1 well said, I don't know why they test there Bows like that it's crazy when everyone else does it the other way ata test... lol
Agreed..he's stretching this review
This was the review ive been waiting for, thanks mother fu*ken Josh Jones.
With that much metal removed from that long of riser I wonder how much riser flex it has?
The lift has a IBO speed rating and not a ATA so they can use 80lb 400 grain arrow and any draw length to get there speeds.
As detailed everyone is with these reviews, I’m surprised that hasn’t come up a bunch
80# but any draw weight? Hmmm imagine that 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@JamesBond-oc4gm sorry was sapose to be draw length
I finally got to shoot one. The 33. The "the draw cycle is trash" crowd have to be biased. I mean, it's smooth from start to finish and I'm coming from a solocam dxt point of view.
You have a 4 out of 5 on speed because they advertised it faster and maybe I didn’t hear it but was that advertised speed with 80lb mods? So maybe they weren’t lying since you’re using 70lb mods?
My God the amount of people saying "test it correctly at 80# 400 grain arrow" 🤦♂️🤦♂️. It's the same as 70# and 350 ffs. (Not including the draw length some mentioned)
💡🤔Make a ‘Podium’ Grip for Mathews bows!!
Hmmm 🤔
Might have to start saving money for a new bow
My TRIAX is getting old
On the phase 4 video last year went from 85% to 80% and it only changed 1 fps
Aweome and fair review, I dont know if I understood you properly but curious about some of the critiques you had for the mathews engineers while on your hunting trip?