Come on now, speed isn’t close… if it was any other brand you’d be deducting major points and wouldn’t bring up the speed to specs ratios… I get it, you don’t want to piss Mathew’s off but I don’t think you’re being completely unbiased… keep up the Best Bow Reviews on the internet! I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos and I do consider your opinions when it comes to bows/ accessories
I think it’s more than it’s getting the speeds it is for its size and specs, more so than it being accurate to what’s advertised. Does it hit the 343 number? No. Is it still very fast for its dimensions? Yes
I think you do a better job testing these bows than anyone else out there. Don’t listen to all the haters. The majority appreciate your hard work. Thank you
You were up early MFJJ!!🤣 I'm also noticing a theme - when you are reviewing bows you wear a T-Shirt of another (aka rival) manufacturer. Nice way to show your impartiality. Keep up the great work.
Great review! I’m a Mathews fan but the 343 ibo is crazy. Mathews should just be honest. Most consumers would rather see the accurate number upfront instead of buying and being surprised it’s 20 fps slow.
Just so you know, the bow is not rated IBO it’s rated ATA which is a completely different spec. Also, it says up to 343 which means maxed out at the 31 1/2 inch draw
I have a question regarding maxing out the cam and the opposite. For example take a bow with a cam that's 28.5 - 32.5. At max you are getting speed but a rougher draw, at minimum are you getting better stability but more of a slug? Is that correct? and when choosing a bow/cam should you look for a happy medium?
I finally found a left handed 33 in stock and was able to shoot it a bit. I decided to pick it up, spend some time with it, and wanted to report out my real world findings. To be honest, I was very skeptical about this bow when I first saw the release of it. When I first inspected one in person, my skepticism grew. You can literally grab the cam and bend it around in all directions (of course with the bow at brace) as the limbs are so skinny they just flex like crazy. I was worried about that from a durability standpoint. I was also worried about the cams being very, very skeletonized. They seem like they would be easy to bend, etc. Those were some initial observations before I got to shoot one. I got to shoot one and my first reaction was 1) the draw cycle is very linear, just stiff 2) there is no valley (even at 85%) 3) the vibe/shock after the shot is more than the Phase 4 and 4) the riser length adds to stability significantly 5) something different in the grip where your thumb fits is improved. I shot it with both C and D draw length mods and landed on taking it home with the C mod. I bought the bow and took it home (we do our own set up and tuning at home)...... Set up was easy. With a center shot rest we had a perfect bullet hole with ZERO top hat changes or any other changes. The Match strings are an improvement over the Zebra, not sure how much of an improvement but they are better. They are thinner and they did settle very quickly and my peep locked in. So I just started shooting it for a few days. The bow has a very clean shot cycle, very clean release. With it all set up, the vibe/shock was mostly gone. I got used to the draw cycle being stiff. I never did like the lack of a valley. My style of shooting my hinge is to relax/elongate the palm of my hand and that style does not work well with a bow with no valley. As I shot it, I realized the C mod was making me feel a bit long. I was not stable at full draw and could feel being a bit overextended. My shop still had the D mods, so I switched to them and now I was too short, feeling scrunched up. When I am scrunched up, I have hand torque. For me, having the draw length perfect is a huge issue, as I finally found out how well I shoot when my draw length is spot on. It matters hugely! So, sadly, I am caught between a D and C on this new Mathews cam and not comfortable at either. Note on the previous Mathews cam the D mod worked well for me). Yes, could I twist strings and/or remove the grip and/or fiddle with D loop length or even my release neck length (different releases) - yes I could do all of that to try and get the Lift 33 to fit my draw length. Since I have other bows I shoot well, I did not want to put that level of effort into the Lift, so I sold it/traded it. As long as Mathews runs this newest cam with the 1/2" draw length limits, I am probably out of luck with Mathews. Conclusion, while I can't speak to the long term durability of the bow/cams, if your draw length fits one of the draw mods and if you are OK with no valley, this bow could be a great choice for you. Thank you.
Yup. Reflex measured 2" on the lift 29 and was brushed off but bashed another brand for it being 2", didn't switch another brands let off to see if it mattered. Enjoy the vids but definitely biased towards mathews
Yep, worth the upgrade from the V3x. Thanks for an honest eval. I shot the 33 this morning and the weight loss is very noticeable when you pick it up. Smoother draw cycle than my V3x 33 too.
Totally. The second I held a 33 at my local shop, it was wayyyy lighter than my V3X 29 lol. And the LIFT 33 had both stabs on them. Drew it back and the 70# mod felt like pulling a 60#. It's a totally new bow, from the riser, cams, and even the string/cable lol.
@@the_atomic_punk487nice! I’m still waiting for my LIFT 33” to get to my pro shop. Taking a while to get here. I may as well wait for the 2025 Mathews 😂🤣😂
Mathews does it again! I’m still shooting a Traverse (best shooting bow I’ve ever put in my hands). Looking forward to checking this out and possibly making a purchase 👀 Love the review!
Yes Mathews makes a solid product. It can't be denied. I think you are trying to make a fair system of reviews. But it detracts from that when you make excuses for a bow like you did here. You added an imaginary 4 fps to it because of a mod that isn't even available yet. You said the draw length was off but it's ok because it's better than last year's model. I don't think you are a Mathews schill. But you definitely threw them a softball. I just watched the Hoyt review and you weren't as forgiving for things. FYI I'm not a Hoyt fanboy either. I shoot a Bowtech and love it.
What I'd really like to see in next year's reviews is Axle to axle length and string angle at full draw. (at 28" since that's about the happy medium for draw lengths out there) But I guess 30" is easier to do and be consistent with. Should be really telling if a bow fits or not.
Come on the Ethos has a longer brace height, had a shorter draw length on the measurement and came in within 10ft of published (faster than this 33 inch bow)and you gave it a 3 on speed. Give the slower MATHEWS a 4, with shorter brace, longer draw, and slower speeds. Looks like total fanboy bias in my opinion. Should have been a 2 or even a 1 on speed.
These reviews definitely get me wanting new gear so in that regard, they’re great and super informative. Thanks always for the quick, precise information homies!
MFJJ, you have totally started a movement in the companies to show up or shut up with their products. Dare I say you are our voice?! Keep up the great work and shouting from the rooftop for us. Saying want more from the companies and their products for the price.
My LIFT33 has turned out to be somewhat disappointing because I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW IT SHOOTS…….. I made the comment earlier about my limbs being replaced 4 times and Mathews (SCHEELS The Colony TX) replaced my bow. Only to have the limbs on that bow splinter also. Those limbs were replaced on Monday and today (Wednesday) my limbs splintered again! Nothing out of the ordinary here; 31.5/72/85….. 29.5”/472 grain Sirius Gemini arrows w/ 50 grain podium titanium half out and 125 grain field point.
The Lift 33 is 100% worth the upgrade especially if you are in a v3 or older model bow. I love shooting it at the pro shop. I’m not overly crazy about the 29.5 but I’ve never liked the shorter bows. 33 has always been the sweet spot for me. It’s an awesome bow Mathew’s definitely takes the cake 2024! Great review btw appreciate all your time into doing reviews.
Great video. I watched the 29.5 also and both seem like top contenders. I'm in the market and looking at the Phase 4 and the Lift to see where I can get the best bow for myself. Next step is going into the archery shop and shooting them. Thanks for all the effort and honest content you put into these videos.
I just got back from my local shop and shot it. And I like that cam better than my v3x 33. I shot it the new hoyt and a ss34 all in a row and the draw and back wall are more to my liking on the new lift. But the lift has a pretty good twang in the riser. The ss34 I shot was just a jump with no twang if that makes sense. If I wasn’t into tinkering I would have stuck with Mathews. But bowtech fits my tendencies to tinker.
I use to shoot a Matthews bow and did so for many years. One of the things I really enjoyed was a small profile and light weight. Interesting to see a move it that direction.
Another outstanding and comprehensive review! As has been mentioned numerous times, yours are the only reviews that I trust to be honest and objective. I'm not a Mathews fanboy, nor am I a hater. Since the days of the Monster series, they've always felt top-heavy to me and I still believe the Switchback is one of the best bows ever made.
According to Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second.
$1400 is insane. While I’m intrigued by the lighter weight and better strings,I can’t justify upgrading from my v3 I love my bow. I’m also glad to see that they’re starting to switch up the technology, it seemed like they’ve been making the same bow ever since the halon.
This is the bow I’ve been waiting for since the halon with Mathews. I look at many people, and many bows, and it just doesn’t seem like much has changed in a drastic enough manner since the halon (for me-mr budget minded guy), to spend that kind of $ on a new bow that’s only a couple of things different from the last 3-4. Now that bow right there is substantially different enough, and feature ridden enough, I’ve say a halon, I might take a good look at it.
@@Brian-Urban9048 his normal threshold is 10fps slow to be acceptable so to get a 4/5 is unusual. SR350 was off big, he called it out, bowtech hasn’t fudged speed since. Wish he’d hit Mathews a little harder so they’d work to get closer to spec.
@rwhite7361 his 4/5 really surprised me! I really love his reviews and the unbiased opinions. The fact that the published speed is so far off seems like an advertising pants-on-fire move. He usually holds true. He has the absolute best reviews on the interwebs. The 4? It was a headscratcher for me.
@@Brian-Urban9048 maybe there was some mafia type insinuations when he was hunting at the proving ground, he usually doesn’t waiver. I still love his reviews and will watch everything his channels pump out
I love your reviews!!! You would be the real MVP if you could do the same speed tests you're already doing but with the maxed out draw length and 80 lbs draw weight. You're the perfect person to do this as you run the shop.
Mathews measures IBO which is 80lbs plus or minus 2 lbs at maximum draw length and a 400 grain arrow. Not ATA which is 70 lbs plus or minus 2lbs at 30 inch draw length
The best product or person always has the most haters. I got a fully loaded phase 4 33 after trading my carbon one. Best decision yet. I’d be buying the lift if i could find one used!
The most thorough reviews on YT. Looks like Mathews addressed all of the things the keyboard warriors cry about when it comes to their bows. Def an impressive release and when you compare it to the carbon price tags, it's a bargain. Do the engage stand legs still work with this bow?
You would think Mathews would leave the metal riser, but they continue to innovate with something. Coming back with the McPherson series "like" Monster cams is interesting on this platform. Good review!
Josh, I might argue that the IBO was tested at 80#. We all know that the heavier weight will IBO slightly higher, maybe 3 feet per second? Add 5 grains of weight for the nock point and D-loop lets say 1-2 fps. Then add another 4 fps for an 80% LO module. So, 3+1+4=8 fps you could add when accounting for the discrepancy in speed. I think with the 350 grain arrow you got like 326? Add 8 fps to that and you would be at 334 fps. That is within your 10 point range of leniency. I am excited about this bow for sure. As always, nice review. You do good work man, thank you.
I am still loving shooting my Mathews Vertix. It is so smooth and quiet, and accurate as can be. My only gripe about it is that I wish the draw cycle was a tad less harsh at the start. Otherwise it’s been a joy, definitely the best now I have ever owned. I would like to move back to a slightly longer ATA so this will more than likely be the ticket for me. But I’m probably still keeping the Vertix…
IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. Bow was shot with @30" 70# 12 more pounds +1 1/2 draw length would make a considerable difference.
I love your reviews, I watch even the ones for bows I have no interest in! One question though..... Why are the Mathews the only ones being tested with a drop away instead of a biscuit style? The best I can remember every other had a friction style.
New sub. You're thorough but not dry. I've been trying to justify a new bow for years, but 20fps and less vibration doesn't justify $1k+. Guess I'll just keep doing string/ cable every few years.
Mathews test their bows using ibo. Ibo is what the bow is capable of at maxing it out so max draw weight 80lbs and max draw length 31.5”.The ata rating is going to be less because industry standard of 30” draw length and 70lbs at 80 percent let off. Mathews definitely needs to publish both. But still a remarkable bow and can’t wait to get one. Thanks mfjj your the man
Well theyve finally made a noticable difference with there bows, bit biased with the review though, first ive seen on this channel tbh, but then again its for a mathews
Southeastern shop owner here, and love the science you integrate into your reviews! Why depart from that approach by “adding 4fps” to speed tests for Mathews and not other brands based on 85% vs 80% letoff? Example, you tested Hoyts at 85% and could’ve easily tested at 80% letoff too…and the Hoyts weren’t 14-16fps slower than advertised. Also, you hammer any bow with shims but not Mathews Tophat, why when Tophat or Shim still require a tech to pull the axle to change. #unbiased tests please…
Hoyts letoff doesn’t change the speed more than 1 fps and their draw length gets longer. Mathew’s makes specific modules for different letoffs and the 4fps is straight from their engineering dept, if you don’t like that take it up with them
I would love that PSE would allow You to test the Nock on version as I was very impressed with Mach 30 and Dudley just presented the NockOn 30 ES. It costs a bag of money to get in to Europe so would love to see a n independent review before investing.
Looks like a really nice bow. However, your testing and rating system seem really inconsistent between bows. For most bows, vibration readings are all over the place and it doesn't seem apparent that you're getting anywhere close to a statistically accurate mean. I wonder if you can calibrate the device? For this Matthews Lift 33, you state past bows have achieved an extra 4 fps with 80 percent mods, but this is a false claim when looking at past reviews (see the review on the Phase 4 33). Even with the unwarranted addition of 4 fps to the speed, it is still over your target 10 fps vs IBO target, yet you give this bow a 4 out of 5 for speed. You give other bows a lower score that have closer speeds to IBO (PSE Evolve DS 33 with 7 inch brace). Last point: I understand this bow is very light weight, but it is still an aluminum bow and should not cost as much to make as a carbon bow. It's price is higher than most comparable aluminum bows, and all those Matthews accessories will also bankrupt you. A 5 for price seems off.
@@BadKarma.- I feel like it’s faster than their previous bows, and I always look for multiple speed tests because all chronos will read slightly different
@@BadKarma.- all the big manufacturers speeds are a little bit slower than what they say. But the speeds are still in the ballpark of what everybody else is doing. Primes bows are the same thing right now as well. If it’s objectively quieter, and lighter it’s still a good bow. That’s undeniable. Also, a Matthews claims that speed with the 80% let off. Josh claimed that they don’t have the 80% mods in yet.
Fade to black, huh? Go back to 2015 and look at the Martin Lithium Pro. Same scheme but fades from light camo to dark (almost black) camo What a novel idea Mathews...lol
I am really excited about this bow! I've previously owned a PSE with the EC cams (loved), and a Hoyt RX-7 Ultra (also loved) - but this year Mathews has convinced me to try a new brand. To get a bow with good speeds, great riser geometry and specs, and which is compatible with their engage limb system? Sold!
Lift 33, 30" draw, 450gr. arrow, 70#s - 291fps Traverse, 29.5" draw(measured) 455gr. arrow, 70#s - 288fps Basically the same. I ordered a Lift anyways. Only for the looks.
I noticed they used IBO instead of ATA for speed….so they probably used 80lbs at 31.5” to get their speed…so comparing it to other brands this is probably 338 ata
ATA means axel to axel. That’s what the size is which is 33”. IBO is always the speed of the bow. Nothing has ever changed. It’s this way with all the bows no matter what brand. ATA would never mean the speed of the bow. IBO is always used when talking speed.
By the way when it comes to IBO speeds all bow manufactures use the same type of testing which is 70 lbs draw, I think 30” draw length and a 350 grain arrow. This is what all manufactures use for their speed testing.
@Bowhunterohio wrong. ATA (Archery Trade Association) speeds are measured at 70lbs, 30" with a 350gr arrow. IBO is measured at 30", with an arrow measuring 5gr per lb, up to 82 lbs. ATA is a more realistic measurement.
@@jonanderson4755 this is correct. Ohio bow hunter has no idea what he is talking about. ATA has there standard for measuring speed. Ibo has there’s. All these arm chair professionals putting in there .2 cents is hilarious.
Wondering what difference in string angle there is between Phase 4 29" and Lift 29.5. That would be a solid video and you could explain a lot about string angle. I had to adjust my V3X 29 a quarter inch longer than normal to get nose to touch.
Great review MFJJ......the earth color is sick. But I have a question, aren't you testing at ATA speeds? Didn't they update IBO to IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- . 2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.Aug 20, 2020....
I emailed Mathews this question, and they said they rate their bows at 70/30/350. I had the same understanding about IBO, but that's what Mathews is using.
@werewolfarchery8424 After watching this, I watched the Lancaster Archery video, and that is what PJ was talking about. I assumed MFJJ was typically using the Ata 70/30/350 as well.
IBO is up to 82 pounds, meaning it can be less but the arrow has to be 5 grains per pound of draw weight. So if they test at 70 pounds that’s 350 grains
That heavy arrow just GUTS this things performance. That being said, this thing will be a TAC DRIVER. Noticeably lighter weight. Truly feels like a competition bow in a hunting bow platform. The new cam and riser feel/look/back wall truly is amazing. The aesthetics alone are reason enough to purchase this bow. BUT….it would be nice to see a true 350 fps bow @ 7” brace height. Can’t believe we haven’t made it there yet.
I think the physics of what can be done with a "stick and strings" that is the size of a comfortable compound bow is reaching its limits... I do think the numbers you said will be hit by most manufacturers... but I think that will probably be where it plateaus for a good while, until material sciences take another big leap forward.
I wonder if the angle of the limbs at draw will make the let off % add more speed than a normal bows mod change. Would like to see the speed test re done with 80% mods to confirm the speed for sure.
Now that all of the reviews are out, I think this is the fastest 33 ata other then the Core SR. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious to see what's the bow from 32-34 ata with the best linear draw and speed compromise
Come on now, speed isn’t close… if it was any other brand you’d be deducting major points and wouldn’t bring up the speed to specs ratios… I get it, you don’t want to piss Mathew’s off but I don’t think you’re being completely unbiased… keep up the Best Bow Reviews on the internet! I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos and I do consider your opinions when it comes to bows/ accessories
I think it’s more than it’s getting the speeds it is for its size and specs, more so than it being accurate to what’s advertised. Does it hit the 343 number? No. Is it still very fast for its dimensions? Yes
Same for the vibration.
@@jakeroberts9307bowtech core sr is about the same spec with far more faster speed with less vibration
@@jakeroberts9307 It's not though lol
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You are the only one I truly trust when it comes to reviews! Love your products, love your honesty and absolutely love your content.
I think you do a better job testing these bows than anyone else out there. Don’t listen to all the haters. The majority appreciate your hard work. Thank you
You were up early MFJJ!!🤣 I'm also noticing a theme - when you are reviewing bows you wear a T-Shirt of another (aka rival) manufacturer. Nice way to show your impartiality. Keep up the great work.
Great review! I’m a Mathews fan but the 343 ibo is crazy. Mathews should just be honest. Most consumers would rather see the accurate number upfront instead of buying and being surprised it’s 20 fps slow.
Just so you know, the bow is not rated IBO it’s rated ATA which is a completely different spec. Also, it says up to 343 which means maxed out at the 31 1/2 inch draw
Ibo is with 80lb limbs
Website says Ibo this year.
An naked string
I have a question regarding maxing out the cam and the opposite. For example take a bow with a cam that's 28.5 - 32.5. At max you are getting speed but a rougher draw, at minimum are you getting better stability but more of a slug? Is that correct? and when choosing a bow/cam should you look for a happy medium?
I finally found a left handed 33 in stock and was able to shoot it a bit. I decided to pick it up, spend some time with it, and wanted to report out my real world findings. To be honest, I was very skeptical about this bow when I first saw the release of it. When I first inspected one in person, my skepticism grew. You can literally grab the cam and bend it around in all directions (of course with the bow at brace) as the limbs are so skinny they just flex like crazy. I was worried about that from a durability standpoint. I was also worried about the cams being very, very skeletonized. They seem like they would be easy to bend, etc. Those were some initial observations before I got to shoot one.
I got to shoot one and my first reaction was 1) the draw cycle is very linear, just stiff 2) there is no valley (even at 85%) 3) the vibe/shock after the shot is more than the Phase 4 and 4) the riser length adds to stability significantly 5) something different in the grip where your thumb fits is improved. I shot it with both C and D draw length mods and landed on taking it home with the C mod. I bought the bow and took it home (we do our own set up and tuning at home)......
Set up was easy. With a center shot rest we had a perfect bullet hole with ZERO top hat changes or any other changes. The Match strings are an improvement over the Zebra, not sure how much of an improvement but they are better. They are thinner and they did settle very quickly and my peep locked in. So I just started shooting it for a few days. The bow has a very clean shot cycle, very clean release. With it all set up, the vibe/shock was mostly gone. I got used to the draw cycle being stiff. I never did like the lack of a valley. My style of shooting my hinge is to relax/elongate the palm of my hand and that style does not work well with a bow with no valley.
As I shot it, I realized the C mod was making me feel a bit long. I was not stable at full draw and could feel being a bit overextended. My shop still had the D mods, so I switched to them and now I was too short, feeling scrunched up. When I am scrunched up, I have hand torque. For me, having the draw length perfect is a huge issue, as I finally found out how well I shoot when my draw length is spot on. It matters hugely! So, sadly, I am caught between a D and C on this new Mathews cam and not comfortable at either. Note on the previous Mathews cam the D mod worked well for me). Yes, could I twist strings and/or remove the grip and/or fiddle with D loop length or even my release neck length (different releases) - yes I could do all of that to try and get the Lift 33 to fit my draw length. Since I have other bows I shoot well, I did not want to put that level of effort into the Lift, so I sold it/traded it. As long as Mathews runs this newest cam with the 1/2" draw length limits, I am probably out of luck with Mathews.
Conclusion, while I can't speak to the long term durability of the bow/cams, if your draw length fits one of the draw mods and if you are OK with no valley, this bow could be a great choice for you. Thank you.
Thanks for typing tgat out. Are you able to compare the vibration to the VXR? I have no frame of reference beyond that
@@hall0341 I had a VXR 31.5. I would say the LIFT is more dead than the VXR. V3X, Phase 4, LIFT..........all very dead in reality.
18 fps slower than advertised and still gives them a “4” 🤔. Was the Alpha X on 80%? Love the reviews but let’s keep it on unbiased testing.
Yup. Reflex measured 2" on the lift 29 and was brushed off but bashed another brand for it being 2", didn't switch another brands let off to see if it mattered. Enjoy the vids but definitely biased towards mathews
Love the Hoyt Matthews t shirt mismatches you’ve been doing….but deep down it’s so clear you’re a Matthews guy!
People don’t even care that it’s 20 slow. Still going to run out and buy it, then pretend it’s really a 343 bow.
Yep, worth the upgrade from the V3x. Thanks for an honest eval. I shot the 33 this morning and the weight loss is very noticeable when you pick it up. Smoother draw cycle than my V3x 33 too.
Totally. The second I held a 33 at my local shop, it was wayyyy lighter than my V3X 29 lol. And the LIFT 33 had both stabs on them. Drew it back and the 70# mod felt like pulling a 60#. It's a totally new bow, from the riser, cams, and even the string/cable lol.
@@cozycare1655I’m thinking of making the switch from my v3x 29, shooting the 33 next week
@@the_atomic_punk487nice! I’m still waiting for my LIFT 33” to get to my pro shop. Taking a while to get here. I may as well wait for the 2025 Mathews 😂🤣😂
Hoyt Nitrum 34 2015! was 4.2, and had an honest 330 FPS, which is about what the 33 does (70# 30" 350gn)
Bow technology truly is stagnant.
I have an Xpedition Denali, under 4 lbs, 345 IBO (claimed).
Mathews does it again! I’m still shooting a Traverse (best shooting bow I’ve ever put in my hands). Looking forward to checking this out and possibly making a purchase 👀 Love the review!
Same here.
It is the best bow on the market right now hands down. The only other bow that even sniffs it is the Hoyt.
Yes Mathews makes a solid product. It can't be denied. I think you are trying to make a fair system of reviews. But it detracts from that when you make excuses for a bow like you did here. You added an imaginary 4 fps to it because of a mod that isn't even available yet. You said the draw length was off but it's ok because it's better than last year's model. I don't think you are a Mathews schill. But you definitely threw them a softball. I just watched the Hoyt review and you weren't as forgiving for things. FYI I'm not a Hoyt fanboy either. I shoot a Bowtech and love it.
Another great review, great to hear that it comes with quality strings!! Thank you
Yeah, That score for speed is a little too lenient, you don’t do it for anybody else don’t do it for Matthews. Keep up the good work bud
What I'd really like to see in next year's reviews is Axle to axle length and string angle at full draw. (at 28" since that's about the happy medium for draw lengths out there) But I guess 30" is easier to do and be consistent with. Should be really telling if a bow fits or not.
Great customer service by Mathews….. they are replacing mine and my sons bows that have the limb issues!!
Come on the Ethos has a longer brace height, had a shorter draw length on the measurement and came in within 10ft of published (faster than this 33 inch bow)and you gave it a 3 on speed. Give the slower MATHEWS a 4, with shorter brace, longer draw, and slower speeds. Looks like total fanboy bias in my opinion. Should have been a 2 or even a 1 on speed.
💯 maybe Mathew’s will pay for another hunting trip for him though.
These reviews definitely get me wanting new gear so in that regard, they’re great and super informative. Thanks always for the quick, precise information homies!
Impressive bow. What a set of features. Just wish their accessories were less expensive…
MFJJ, you have totally started a movement in the companies to show up or shut up with their products. Dare I say you are our voice?! Keep up the great work and shouting from the rooftop for us. Saying want more from the companies and their products for the price.
i kept refreshing youtube to see MFJJ's review!
Goddamnit same
Same
PJ did a good review too
Ditto lol
Same
My LIFT33 has turned out to be somewhat disappointing because I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW IT SHOOTS…….. I made the comment earlier about my limbs being replaced 4 times and Mathews (SCHEELS The Colony TX) replaced my bow. Only to have the limbs on that bow splinter also. Those limbs were replaced on Monday and today (Wednesday) my limbs splintered again! Nothing out of the ordinary here; 31.5/72/85….. 29.5”/472 grain Sirius Gemini arrows w/ 50 grain podium titanium half out and 125 grain field point.
The Lift 33 is 100% worth the upgrade especially if you are in a v3 or older model bow. I love shooting it at the pro shop. I’m not overly crazy about the 29.5 but I’ve never liked the shorter bows. 33 has always been the sweet spot for me. It’s an awesome bow Mathew’s definitely takes the cake 2024! Great review btw appreciate all your time into doing reviews.
Great video. I watched the 29.5 also and both seem like top contenders. I'm in the market and looking at the Phase 4 and the Lift to see where I can get the best bow for myself. Next step is going into the archery shop and shooting them. Thanks for all the effort and honest content you put into these videos.
I just got back from my local shop and shot it. And I like that cam better than my v3x 33. I shot it the new hoyt and a ss34 all in a row and the draw and back wall are more to my liking on the new lift. But the lift has a pretty good twang in the riser. The ss34 I shot was just a jump with no twang if that makes sense. If I wasn’t into tinkering I would have stuck with Mathews. But bowtech fits my tendencies to tinker.
I'm so glad you're talking about the actual features in these reviews now, instead of just checking factory specs..
Just picked up my lift 33 yesterday. I’m in love with it
I would say the speed loss is in the LCA scale. Most read about 3-4 lbs over. Maybe check it on another scale?
Thank you for the video MFJJ, always enjoy seeing the new equipment and your reviews! Wish I could trade in my V3X 33 for one.
The Mathews shirt during the Hoyt review and now the Hoyt shirt during the Mathews review. I love it so much 🤣
I use to shoot a Matthews bow and did so for many years. One of the things I really enjoyed was a small profile and light weight. Interesting to see a move it that direction.
Another outstanding and comprehensive review! As has been mentioned numerous times, yours are the only reviews that I trust to be honest and objective. I'm not a Mathews fanboy, nor am I a hater. Since the days of the Monster series, they've always felt top-heavy to me and I still believe the Switchback is one of the best bows ever made.
Always thorough and impressive review. Thank you for doing what you do!
According to Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second.
$1400 is insane. While I’m intrigued by the lighter weight and better strings,I can’t justify upgrading from my v3 I love my bow. I’m also glad to see that they’re starting to switch up the technology, it seemed like they’ve been making the same bow ever since the halon.
This is the bow I’ve been waiting for since the halon with Mathews. I look at many people, and many bows, and it just doesn’t seem like much has changed in a drastic enough manner since the halon (for me-mr budget minded guy), to spend that kind of $ on a new bow that’s only a couple of things different from the last 3-4. Now that bow right there is substantially different enough, and feature ridden enough, I’ve say a halon, I might take a good look at it.
I love how you put the Hoyt shirt on for this one, and wore the Mathews shirt for the Hoyt review...... no discrimination here hahaha
Lmao trying not to piss off the big dog. Getting a 4/5 on speed despite being that off big time is wild.
By wild, do mean insanely biased for the underdog?
@@Brian-Urban9048 his normal threshold is 10fps slow to be acceptable so to get a 4/5 is unusual. SR350 was off big, he called it out, bowtech hasn’t fudged speed since. Wish he’d hit Mathews a little harder so they’d work to get closer to spec.
@rwhite7361 his 4/5 really surprised me! I really love his reviews and the unbiased opinions. The fact that the published speed is so far off seems like an advertising pants-on-fire move. He usually holds true. He has the absolute best reviews on the interwebs. The 4? It was a headscratcher for me.
@@Brian-Urban9048 maybe there was some mafia type insinuations when he was hunting at the proving ground, he usually doesn’t waiver. I still love his reviews and will watch everything his channels pump out
Try 80 pound mods with 80% let off. You’ll get that speed
Same old boat paddle I just picked up a Prime Rev x 34 incredible !!! Done with Mathews
Wish we had a prime dealer here. I'd like to try one, but not gonna mess with the mods.
I really like the black accessories on the solids
I love your reviews!!! You would be the real MVP if you could do the same speed tests you're already doing but with the maxed out draw length and 80 lbs draw weight. You're the perfect person to do this as you run the shop.
You did a hoyt review wearing a mathews shirt now doing a mathews review wearing a hoyt shirt. Love it 😂
Was coming here to say this... nothing like wearing a Hoyt shirt during a Mathews review 😂
@@batt3687 exact ha ha the new alphaX 33 lookkkss fireeee
Mathews measures IBO which is 80lbs plus or minus 2 lbs at maximum draw length and a 400 grain arrow. Not ATA which is 70 lbs plus or minus 2lbs at 30 inch draw length
I forgot 350 grains for AtA
The best product or person always has the most haters. I got a fully loaded phase 4 33 after trading my carbon one. Best decision yet. I’d be buying the lift if i could find one used!
Dude, your reviews are great. No bs
The most thorough reviews on YT. Looks like Mathews addressed all of the things the keyboard warriors cry about when it comes to their bows. Def an impressive release and when you compare it to the carbon price tags, it's a bargain. Do the engage stand legs still work with this bow?
Yea, but they didn't. The only things people btch about are the cams, and grip. They changed the cams. That's about all.
RX8 Ultra was 11 fps off and got a 3/5..
He’s obviously biased for Mathew’s and Bowtech. Always has been
You would think Mathews would leave the metal riser, but they continue to innovate with something. Coming back with the McPherson series "like" Monster cams is interesting on this platform. Good review!
Fantastic reviews. Change to a 10 scale next year and have a chart printed so it’s easier for us to see.
Josh, I might argue that the IBO was tested at 80#. We all know that the heavier weight will IBO slightly higher, maybe 3 feet per second? Add 5 grains of weight for the nock point and D-loop lets say 1-2 fps. Then add another 4 fps for an 80% LO module. So, 3+1+4=8 fps you could add when accounting for the discrepancy in speed. I think with the 350 grain arrow you got like 326? Add 8 fps to that and you would be at 334 fps. That is within your 10 point range of leniency. I am excited about this bow for sure. As always, nice review. You do good work man, thank you.
Don't they determine IBO without fletchings as well?
@@gfoster3434 Not sure. Either way, the measurable difference at that distance would probably be less than 1fps.
Best bow reviews on the internet. Kudos!
I am still loving shooting my Mathews Vertix. It is so smooth and quiet, and accurate as can be. My only gripe about it is that I wish the draw cycle was a tad less harsh at the start. Otherwise it’s been a joy, definitely the best now I have ever owned. I would like to move back to a slightly longer ATA so this will more than likely be the ticket for me. But I’m probably still keeping the Vertix…
IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. Bow was shot with @30" 70# 12 more pounds +1 1/2 draw length would make a considerable difference.
Great review. Definitely the best bow on the market by a long shot.
Great review as always. Thanks MFJJ and crew.
At a 30" draw would you take this over the Bowtech Core SR ????? or which between the two ??
I love your reviews, I watch even the ones for bows I have no interest in!
One question though..... Why are the Mathews the only ones being tested with a drop away instead of a biscuit style? The best I can remember every other had a friction style.
New sub. You're thorough but not dry. I've been trying to justify a new bow for years, but 20fps and less vibration doesn't justify $1k+. Guess I'll just keep doing string/ cable every few years.
Thank you for helping me buy a bow. Best reviews!
Mathews test their bows using ibo. Ibo is what the bow is capable of at maxing it out so max draw weight 80lbs and max draw length 31.5”.The ata rating is going to be less because industry standard of 30” draw length and 70lbs at 80 percent let off. Mathews definitely needs to publish both. But still a remarkable bow and can’t wait to get one. Thanks mfjj your the man
I agree I wish there was just a industry standard that they all went by. I think Ibo uses a 400 grain arrow also.
Martin Bows used to do the fade colors and I really liked it
Great review! Always look forward to them!
Love your reviews I’m coming up there next year 🤙🏽keep up the great videos
Looks like an awesome bow!! Thank you for another great review.
I would love to see you review the Obsession vengance
Still using and loving my VXR. No need to upgrade.
Thank goodness MFJJ takes in trade ins on their Mathews. Cant wait to pick one up
Well theyve finally made a noticable difference with there bows, bit biased with the review though, first ive seen on this channel tbh, but then again its for a mathews
Southeastern shop owner here, and love the science you integrate into your reviews! Why depart from that approach by “adding 4fps” to speed tests for Mathews and not other brands based on 85% vs 80% letoff? Example, you tested Hoyts at 85% and could’ve easily tested at 80% letoff too…and the Hoyts weren’t 14-16fps slower than advertised. Also, you hammer any bow with shims but not Mathews Tophat, why when Tophat or Shim still require a tech to pull the axle to change. #unbiased tests please…
Hoyts letoff doesn’t change the speed more than 1 fps and their draw length gets longer. Mathew’s makes specific modules for different letoffs and the 4fps is straight from their engineering dept, if you don’t like that take it up with them
And top hats don’t break and shims are prone to
How are they to tune in regarding putting in a press? Do you need special attachment for the press because of the limb attachment
I would love that PSE would allow You to test the Nock on version as I was very impressed with Mach 30 and Dudley just presented the NockOn 30 ES. It costs a bag of money to get in to Europe so would love to see a n independent review before investing.
Looks like a really nice bow. However, your testing and rating system seem really inconsistent between bows. For most bows, vibration readings are all over the place and it doesn't seem apparent that you're getting anywhere close to a statistically accurate mean. I wonder if you can calibrate the device? For this Matthews Lift 33, you state past bows have achieved an extra 4 fps with 80 percent mods, but this is a false claim when looking at past reviews (see the review on the Phase 4 33). Even with the unwarranted addition of 4 fps to the speed, it is still over your target 10 fps vs IBO target, yet you give this bow a 4 out of 5 for speed. You give other bows a lower score that have closer speeds to IBO (PSE Evolve DS 33 with 7 inch brace). Last point: I understand this bow is very light weight, but it is still an aluminum bow and should not cost as much to make as a carbon bow. It's price is higher than most comparable aluminum bows, and all those Matthews accessories will also bankrupt you. A 5 for price seems off.
Thank you Josh. For every inch of draw length, is there a consistent reduction in speed? at a 28.5 DL, what speeds could you expect?
Awesome job on the review. I would like to see a review on the Mathew’s Atlas. I know it’s not a flagship but 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Just add sound please. I think it’s a big factor when comparing with the bows speeds. Thanks
I will be curious to see the speed once they get the 80% mods.
About time they made their bows lighter and faster at the same time. Sounds like they finally made some really significant upgrades!
Fast?
@@BadKarma.- I feel like it’s faster than their previous bows, and I always look for multiple speed tests because all chronos will read slightly different
@@ApexPredatorOutdoors These bows are SLOOOWWWWWW.
@ApexPredatorOutdoors maybe ita faster than their previous but it definitely isn't fast by any means, neither is the 29.5
@@BadKarma.- all the big manufacturers speeds are a little bit slower than what they say. But the speeds are still in the ballpark of what everybody else is doing. Primes bows are the same thing right now as well. If it’s objectively quieter, and lighter it’s still a good bow. That’s undeniable. Also, a Matthews claims that speed with the 80% let off. Josh claimed that they don’t have the 80% mods in yet.
Fade to black, huh? Go back to 2015 and look at the Martin Lithium Pro.
Same scheme but fades from light camo to dark (almost black) camo
What a novel idea Mathews...lol
I am really excited about this bow! I've previously owned a PSE with the EC cams (loved), and a Hoyt RX-7 Ultra (also loved) - but this year Mathews has convinced me to try a new brand. To get a bow with good speeds, great riser geometry and specs, and which is compatible with their engage limb system? Sold!
Lift 33, 30" draw, 450gr. arrow, 70#s - 291fps
Traverse, 29.5" draw(measured) 455gr. arrow, 70#s - 288fps
Basically the same. I ordered a Lift anyways. Only for the looks.
Interested to see what it shoots for speed with limb bolts maxed out like it came…
I noticed they used IBO instead of ATA for speed….so they probably used 80lbs at 31.5” to get their speed…so comparing it to other brands this is probably 338 ata
its the same speed as last year Phase 4 33 check out his speed video from last year.
ATA means axel to axel. That’s what the size is which is 33”. IBO is always the speed of the bow. Nothing has ever changed. It’s this way with all the bows no matter what brand. ATA would never mean the speed of the bow. IBO is always used when talking speed.
By the way when it comes to IBO speeds all bow manufactures use the same type of testing which is 70 lbs draw, I think 30” draw length and a 350 grain arrow. This is what all manufactures use for their speed testing.
@Bowhunterohio wrong. ATA (Archery Trade Association) speeds are measured at 70lbs, 30" with a 350gr arrow.
IBO is measured at 30", with an arrow measuring 5gr per lb, up to 82 lbs.
ATA is a more realistic measurement.
@@jonanderson4755 this is correct. Ohio bow hunter has no idea what he is talking about. ATA has there standard for measuring speed. Ibo has there’s. All these arm chair professionals putting in there .2 cents is hilarious.
may you please do a comp with hoyt pse bowtech 30" or less ATA? I am wanting to switch from what I have but would love a good comp. Thank you.
i notice a hoyt shirt when testing Mathews and a mathews shirt when testing a hoyt. very unbiased of you
Wondering what difference in string angle there is between Phase 4 29" and Lift 29.5. That would be a solid video and you could explain a lot about string angle. I had to adjust my V3X 29 a quarter inch longer than normal to get nose to touch.
Mfjj your reviews are awesome but I’m tired of Mathew’s raising prices and unforgiving bows and undercut ibos
Great review MFJJ......the earth color is sick. But I have a question, aren't you testing at ATA speeds? Didn't they update IBO to IBO speed is measured by shooting a bow with an 80-pound draw weight (+/- 2 pounds), maximized draw length, and a 400-grain arrow. ATA speed is measured with a 70-pound draw weight (+/- . 2 pounds), 30-inch draw length, and 350-grain arrow.Aug 20, 2020....
I emailed Mathews this question, and they said they rate their bows at 70/30/350. I had the same understanding about IBO, but that's what Mathews is using.
@werewolfarchery8424 After watching this, I watched the Lancaster Archery video, and that is what PJ was talking about. I assumed MFJJ was typically using the Ata 70/30/350 as well.
IBO is up to 82 pounds, meaning it can be less but the arrow has to be 5 grains per pound of draw weight. So if they test at 70 pounds that’s 350 grains
What ended up being your go to setup for this year?
Heck ya so excited to see someone put a 80lb mod on at 30 inches see some speeds!
Can you give us a short draw length speed test? Somewhere between 25-27?
That heavy arrow just GUTS this things performance. That being said, this thing will be a TAC DRIVER. Noticeably lighter weight. Truly feels like a competition bow in a hunting bow platform. The new cam and riser feel/look/back wall truly is amazing. The aesthetics alone are reason enough to purchase this bow. BUT….it would be nice to see a true 350 fps bow @ 7” brace height. Can’t believe we haven’t made it there yet.
I think the physics of what can be done with a "stick and strings" that is the size of a comfortable compound bow is reaching its limits... I do think the numbers you said will be hit by most manufacturers... but I think that will probably be where it plateaus for a good while, until material sciences take another big leap forward.
@@Muskiehunter92 I agree. I can’t believe anybody (specifically Mathews) hasn’t brought back the D-flex riser.
They could definitely hit 350 at 7 inches. But no one would want to shoot it. It would feel like pulling a seized up lawn mower.
@@jasonbarnes3188 It should be able to be done without that.
@@jasonbarnes3188That is probably accurate, yes 😂…
You mentioned the draw cycle is better without the cam maxed out. For someone pulling 70lbs, would this bow benefit from the 80lb turned down to 70?
I wonder if the angle of the limbs at draw will make the let off % add more speed than a normal bows mod change.
Would like to see the speed test re done with 80% mods to confirm the speed for sure.
I like how MFJJ wore a Hoyt shirt in the Mathews review and a Mathews shirt in a Hoyt review. Lol. Just pissing off the fanboys
Fan Boy…JK!!! 😁 Coming from shooting Hoyt and not liking anything put out in the last several years, this bow intrigues me…Thanks for the review! 👊🏻🏹
Now that all of the reviews are out, I think this is the fastest 33 ata other then the Core SR. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious to see what's the bow from 32-34 ata with the best linear draw and speed compromise
JJ, your my new go to channel after a long work day. Put your review of this on before watching my buddies over at TheHuntingPublic
Great video on the new Mathews bow like always. I am definitely going out to get this new Mathews. I like the size, weight, and the speed. Thank you.
The speed? It’s 20 lower then it’s rating lol
@@dennisdallege2628 yes it is but I’m going off the real speed not IBO. We all know they don’t shoot what they say. I still think it’s fast.