What Makes a Bow Accurate? Find out with MFJJ!!

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  • A common question some people seem to ask, what makes a bow accurate in my eyes- well you came to the right place!!
    Thanks for coming back and checking us out!!

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  • @juanrodriguez-mu7ko
    @juanrodriguez-mu7ko 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well you’re very smart when it comes to archery! Most of us newbies like me don’t know much about archery. So thanks for teaching us I love the videos, I started my archery journey because of you Dan and Tim so thanks again.

  • @kylefrye6265
    @kylefrye6265 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for providing us with great information once again!

  • @brettwelch8368
    @brettwelch8368 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thanks for the bow lesson professor MFJJ. keep up with the great work!!

  • @justinskelton4197
    @justinskelton4197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent video. That definitely makes sense. My 2012 bowtech invasion CPX is very forgiving, and I never thought about the reflex measurement being a major factor. Keep up the great work

  • @christophermetcalf2177
    @christophermetcalf2177 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU!!! Finally something that makes sense! Real numbers that actually mean something! Thanks for giving us good info and being honest for OUR benefit!

  • @heathleggett8080
    @heathleggett8080 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative I must say. It honestly makes total sense. Thank you!

  • @charlieadkins1812
    @charlieadkins1812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is some serious Bow Nerd info…and I love every second. Shooting a few right now and will pick the one that “talks” to me 😆 keep up the great work…and thanks for the fast shipping.

  • @seanc77339
    @seanc77339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. You sir are a true professional.

  • @brentanderson7457
    @brentanderson7457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Finally someone is talking about this. I have been teaching/preaching that for years. The difference between reflexion and deflection. It is so important for accuracy.

  • @coltoncampbell8003
    @coltoncampbell8003 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these videos! So much insight that I had no clue on. Keep them coming. Also, you should really do those bow build videos ASAP. Been looking forward to those

  • @mikeodom8402
    @mikeodom8402 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a new to the bow world guy, I find your information helpful. Logically this video makes a lot of sense to me.
    Thank you

  • @craigwilliams5342
    @craigwilliams5342 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it. MFJJ teaching me stuff again. Keep up the good work.

  • @mtnroseoutdoors8814
    @mtnroseoutdoors8814 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve heard of these measurements before, but I totally forgot about them. I really think bow manufactures need to add these measurements to their bow specs, but because they don’t, I’m glad MFJJ is gonna add these to the bow reviews. Very helpful MFJJ!

  • @perryknetter8577
    @perryknetter8577 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have a gift the way you explain things it makes it easy to learn
    Bods Blessings

  • @craig9950
    @craig9950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video MFJJ love your work, I'm a BIG fan, I love the way you simplify & share bow techy tips that others make a mystery, Thanks for helping us.

  • @michaelcardin3467
    @michaelcardin3467 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes sense! I like this type of info makes it better on deciding on what bow to get. Just got the ventum pro 30. Absolutely love this bow

  • @shawnsmith6195
    @shawnsmith6195 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had never thought of measuring a bow in this manor before. It makes sense. I will have to measure mine and See how much different they are.
    Thank you for sharing

  • @gavinbensutherland508
    @gavinbensutherland508 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's up from a Zimbabwean olypmic archer .love your info mate . On point and something I look at seriously when sorting my compound bits and looking for none BS info .thanks man enjoy your stuff

  • @pichurguy
    @pichurguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    VERY informative MFJJ .. gonna say ur vids are probably more descriptive and more in depth yet easy to follow .. it’s like “bow tech for dummies”.. keep up the great work!👍

  • @16jduran
    @16jduran 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty awesome to know these specs from a bow when it comes to buying one 👍🏻 Definitely using this knowledge

  • @okiebob25
    @okiebob25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great insight as always MFJJ - thanks for sharing so we can make more informed decisions. Both measurements are dictated by riser design so, aligned with some of the other comments, it would be interesting to see if there are “unique” bows which statistically would be superior to those with the larger marketing budgets or brand names

  • @larrybigdogz1325
    @larrybigdogz1325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely like the insight.

  • @triggerhappydad65
    @triggerhappydad65 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Makes perfect sense to me.
    I remember lusting heavily over the original PSE Evo, to me, it was the baddest thing I'd ever seen. Such beautiful lines.
    Well nobody local had it, but that year the "Dixie Deer Classic" was coming to town again and I finally got my hands on one!
    😒 It was one of the easiest bows to torque I'd ever shot. The limb pockets were WAY out in front of the grip and you could just breath hard and watch it torque while holding.
    I've owned 4 Bowtechs since then, and their "center pivot technology" that's built into their bows (imo) makes them some of the most forgiving bows on the market.

  • @patmaweini952
    @patmaweini952 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting MFJJ. That does make sense. More info is always good. I’ll add this as a method to evaluate compound bows. Btw, had my string builder make me some natural BCY 454 low wax strings and cables for my Mathews Phase 4 33. Took your advice on the no dye, low wax. Very happy with the results! Thanks

  • @twc6771
    @twc6771 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is some very good information thanks for putting it out.

  • @waynestevenson9613
    @waynestevenson9613 ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes total sense and this is why deflex risers are more forgiving in tournament bows! Thanks!

  • @chadpinder6864
    @chadpinder6864 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely just learned something new. Thanks.

  • @jimr7154
    @jimr7154 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks man
    Never heard the term before “reflex” but makes sense
    Great video great info keep them coming

  • @perryknetter8577
    @perryknetter8577 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have the best information and great in front of camera

  • @myronriggs9613
    @myronriggs9613 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks again bud! You’re a good teacher

  • @justinroethel7424
    @justinroethel7424 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Info Josh defiantly putting this in the tackle box for the future

  • @stefangabor8549
    @stefangabor8549 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great videos, keep them coming

  • @jeffpeters352
    @jeffpeters352 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in Eugene and I really like u videos u very knowledge. I'm coming c u this spring

  • @WadeTheWild
    @WadeTheWild 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good info. I feel like the bow that feels the best and I have the most confidence with is what I’m going with. I’m not a target archer, I’m a hunter. I shoot every day, and a lot. But I still don’t feel I’m accurate enough for these differences to really stand out enough to make my overall decision. Almost all the big manufacturers make equipment that will far outperform most of us. I truly like what feels best. Draw cycle, steadiness etc…I don’t shoot farther than what’s acceptable with my Broadheads, so that’s the true test and I typically don’t tend to go off measurements or popular opinion. That being said, these added measurements from manufacturers would make it easier to make a decision without spending all day in a bow shop and/or wasting money trying to find what you can shoot best if you don’t have that availability.

  • @glennhermon3133
    @glennhermon3133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is one of the reasons I bought a Reckoning. Always preferred a deflex riser for accuracy.

  • @blakemoen2935
    @blakemoen2935 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the explanation

  • @Nick-we6rd
    @Nick-we6rd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’m very happy you’re going to include these stats in your bow reviews going forward. Could you also consider measuring string angle on bows? This is also an important consideration and it’s info that’s almost impossible to find.

    • @2ndAveScents
      @2ndAveScents 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s why they give you axle to axle. Plus it’s going to be different at every draw length. If you don’t like a tight string angle then you don’t want anything under 32 inches imo and honestly if string angle is a concern for you then 33/34 and up is all you should be looking at. Anything at 34 and over will be perfectly acceptable for anyone in the string angle department.

  • @sethdavis2404
    @sethdavis2404 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent!

  • @allanwalters7900
    @allanwalters7900 ปีที่แล้ว

    great information keep up the great vids

  • @kennylainhart7148
    @kennylainhart7148 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good information, !!!

  • @XXXston3wallXXX
    @XXXston3wallXXX ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @orsonbroadbent3453
    @orsonbroadbent3453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks you for the info 👍

  • @keefer88
    @keefer88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    axle to axle at full draw is probably very important I would think

  • @SethGriffith1500
    @SethGriffith1500 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I gotta give a shout out to podium archer customer service… I ordered some arrows about 2 weeks ago. Got them in and my 60 grain inserts weren’t in the box. A 39 second phone call to them on a Saturday and my inserts were in my mail box on Monday! AWESOME customer service Josh Jones! If anything needs anything from them I highly recommend them! Going to order me a draw weight scale and a arrow scale from them next and I’m sure it will be just as good! Thank you podium archer staff!

  • @austinhoskins7828
    @austinhoskins7828 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You learn something everyday!

  • @elarchery
    @elarchery 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info, thanks for it...

  • @chrississon2646
    @chrississon2646 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep em coming

  • @jameslindenthal840
    @jameslindenthal840 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job , your videos rock.

  • @jimsheldon9909
    @jimsheldon9909 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like it Josh. Never thought about it that way. 🧐

  • @davidfargen2167
    @davidfargen2167 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think your inputs great

  • @jowho9992
    @jowho9992 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank You.

  • @richardganz9318
    @richardganz9318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The professor MFJJ , love the video's keep it coming

  • @clarkansas6590
    @clarkansas6590 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good information

  • @matthewhewston215
    @matthewhewston215 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do like that way of figuring the bows out makes sense

  • @bryantrimborn9489
    @bryantrimborn9489 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really like the content!

  • @working_to_hunt
    @working_to_hunt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information! Can we get another video with all these measurements for all the bow reviews you have done in the last 2 years?

  • @jeffjones9141
    @jeffjones9141 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to know. Maybe those specs should be included in your future bow reviews with a refresher of why they are important from time to time.

  • @Greg766
    @Greg766 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stabilizers significantly change the forgiveness and feel by impacting the same two variables bow vertical stability and torque

  • @orlandoagostinho6615
    @orlandoagostinho6615 ปีที่แล้ว

    All sounds good to me. Thanks MFJJ.

  • @ericcampbell3891
    @ericcampbell3891 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this hope it helps me out

  • @papaschuette
    @papaschuette ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been bow hunting for over 20 years and this is the first I've ever heard of reflex. I just measured my Bear Legit and the reflex is at 2 1/4. So kind of in the middle. I guess that's a alright number. Thanks for more awesome information.

  • @randyhutch50
    @randyhutch50 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info

  • @indy5797
    @indy5797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You may also consider providing total length when you provide mfg ata. A 30" ata bow with salad plates for cams will have a real world length of 36+" which would be a negative for some, but would provide a better string angle, and be a positive for others.

  • @axiong1036
    @axiong1036 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is super helpful. Wish manufacturers would've disclosed this information instead.

  • @joshuawooledge6945
    @joshuawooledge6945 ปีที่แล้ว

    I completely agree with your thought process. The other tangent i would throw in that i consider is the grip design. I think this is where more people make poor choices. Just because it feels good in your hand does not mean it will shoot well for you if your grip isn't consistent. I hear more people when buying guns or bows make the comment this feels good in my hand so i will take it. If your completely open and honest with yourself and try every bow most people don't walk out with what they came to buy.

  • @jasonadkins9943
    @jasonadkins9943 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes sense!

  • @jolookstothestars6358
    @jolookstothestars6358 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll be waiting for that video.😉

  • @joshsinglefooter
    @joshsinglefooter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This man is a wizard!!!

  • @timbow50
    @timbow50 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍 it's about the mechanical advantage of leverage points. Basic geometry. As the pivot point ( where your hand meets the riser) is moved back toward you from the limb pivot point the " triangle " becomes bigger. This allows an easier ability for the limb tips to move left or right because the three points of the triangle are farther apart. A long narrow triangle, even at full draw when the cams are rotated and the position of the string has moved along with the limbs flexing back toward you, will have less perceived and actual " wiggle" left or right. For those that work with their hands and build things this concept is easy to grasp. For those that can not understand all this- just trust ol' MFJJ!

  • @ross7684
    @ross7684 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with you that the riser length and reflex contribute more to accuracy than brace height and axle-to-axle. However, brace height can be reflective of reflex, since a larger brace height tends to indicate less reflex in today's parallel limb bows. Similarly a longer axle to axle somewhat reflects a longer riser, particularly within a brand; though you pointed out that across brands, this is not always the case. Regardless of any of the four measurements that you discussed, what I think contributes most to the accuracy of any bow is the amount of time the owner spends practicing with the bow; and by practicing I include shooting arrows at various yardages and working on form.

  • @jons7e
    @jons7e 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    V3X33 is one of the best bows in every category... I'm sold.

  • @dariuskloska6930
    @dariuskloska6930 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would be interested to see you do a video on the crazy looking Gearhead B34 bow. Its factory "specs" are spot on with the other major flagship bows around 33" ata, but the riser and handle position are a whole different concept with the 2 piece riser and adjustable brace height. Recently came across their bows at a hunting expo and nobody knowledgeable like you has done a critical review on them online. It has piqued my interest and I wonder if they are on to something or just crazy. Thanks for the content.

  • @cliffburlew9209
    @cliffburlew9209 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your insight I have been shooting for over 40 years and started a lot of people in archery any bow can be accurate if you practice and you are consistent

    • @capricornmagic63
      @capricornmagic63 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, it's that simple. High volume reps and good form.

    • @reddawng43x91
      @reddawng43x91 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree! People shouldn’t impulse buy off of these measurements lol

  • @willyboys24
    @willyboys24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes sense based on my recent experience. It's the reflex dimension more than the riser length in this case. I tried to figure out why my new bow felt like a noodle (torquey) versus my other bow. I haven't measured those bows yet myself but they are among the ones you have measured in this video. My Bowtech is rock solid compared to brand X. I sold the brand X and moved onto brand Y which is more solid than the X but not as compared to the Bowtech. I will be measuring both today to see how they compare.

    • @5jjt
      @5jjt ปีที่แล้ว

      Brace height?

  • @averagejackarchery
    @averagejackarchery 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the new intro but MAN y'all need to make an audio fade out for my headphones! Keep up the great content.

  • @perryrusso3764
    @perryrusso3764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, 👍 I will add that a bow with a 7" brace height will always be more accurate because it helps settle and calm the bow down from wobbling or wagging the dog as I like to put it. Mathews has the greatest amount of side-to-side wobble in my oppinion and therefore when your watching a target bow being drawn back you can see the wobble more because of the longer stabilizers compared to a hunting bow set up. Manufacturers push and emphasis speed more than accuracy...it should be the othervway around...if your shooting a hunting set up @ 70 and 80 lbs then speed and less arrow cast becomes the overriding factor over accuracy. First an accurate bow almost always lands on a comfortable and manageable draw cycle....also I like to measure axcel to axcel and mark that center spot on the string then determine how that relates to the berger button location...you would be surprised how often those two locations don't line up....accurate bows most always line up in this regard....thanks again 🎯🎯🎯

  • @jesse5442
    @jesse5442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    More nerd stuff, I love it. The more info we have the more we can manipulate the numbers to make the bow we currently own the best there is!!! 😂Great job and keep up the good work. Hoyt Ventum 30

  • @leanrali620
    @leanrali620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is gold!!!!! :D

  • @CFIRST58
    @CFIRST58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you make a video on how to know if your bow has any cam lean, and how to fix it? Could you also make a video on proper stand and form to shoot a bow more accurately? Thank You! , for another great video!!

  • @markgibbs7747
    @markgibbs7747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Smart !!

  • @freedomfam6
    @freedomfam6 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the video content Josh!
    How would one get those measurements without having hands on?

  • @richarddean3154
    @richarddean3154 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Additionally, would you consider doing a video on what you consider "great" and "acceptable" accuracy. Like great is 1" groups (or less) per 10 yards of range and acceptable is 1.5" per 10 yards of range (e.g. 4" at 40 or 6" at 40) with 3 to 5 arrows. Also, could you compare your shooting with the various releases - handheld thumb-actuated, hinge, and trigger finger-actuated to see if there is an appreciable difference in terms of accuracy and point of impact. Thanks again.

    • @jordanc1780
      @jordanc1780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would guess every flagship bow on the market is possible to shoot within those accuracy standards when properly set up. The bow fitment to the shooter and tune would have a large impact on those results which would vary from person to person.

    • @richarddean3154
      @richarddean3154 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jordanc1780 That is a great point - that the bows are inherently capable of tight groups. So, when the archer is added to the equation, the group size outside of the inherent capability of the bow is the archers fault. Then, what we need from MFJJ is what are the common faults in archers that cause poor shooting.

    • @freedomfam6
      @freedomfam6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richarddean3154 I was just thinking the same thing. Many years ago I was dead set on upgrading my rig because it wasn’t shooting good for me. That kinda flipped on me when the guy helping me picked up my bow and drove tacks. Changed a couple of things and I was too!

  • @adamballinger1358
    @adamballinger1358 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally someone who thinks like me , i also care about cam lean at full draw vs at rest its something that has only recently been considered but ive always paid attention to the RISER.

  • @Alex-it5ej
    @Alex-it5ej 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    See you at a million subscribers...

  • @indy5797
    @indy5797 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic mfjj! It's about time someone provided real info rather than regurgitating marketing crap. I'm over 50 and have owned countless bows. Reasonable reflex, long riser (and associated weight) are key to accuracy. I currently shoot a 2015 Mathews Wake: 5lbs, 33.5 riser (35 ata), 3" reflex, 5" brace, and 352fps with smooth draw. 7 years ago when introduced the pundits said it was too heavy, long, expensive, and twitchy. If manufactured today it would be more or less inline with what the flagship bows are now....only faster thanks to the 5" brace height. The Wake was used to take gold in the 2016 50m womens European World Archery Cup, so it must have some level of forgiveness.
    It's nice to see Mathews and others introducing flagship bows that are almost as good as a 7 year old bow. BTW, I use my Wake to hunt (stalk and tree stands), and it's not too heavy, long, or unforgiving.

  • @raywarner4704
    @raywarner4704 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree...good summary on what makes a bow forgiving to shoot. A lot of archers would shoot better if they focus more on bow design and less on speed. If you can't shoot it well, who cares how fast it shoots.

  • @richarddean3154
    @richarddean3154 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent food for thought. So, if you looked historically at hunting bows, which one would have the greatest accuracy potential based on the metrics of riser length and reflex? Some of the "odd" bows like the Oneida Eagle and Bear Delta V might have pretty good numbers. Thanks for the thoughtful content.

  • @Jimbowiejr
    @Jimbowiejr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done, you need to show people how moving your rest forward or back can reduce torque caused by this

  • @peterquinn9362
    @peterquinn9362 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. What Bow has the least reflex and longest riser for 2022 bow?

  • @josephtreadlightly5686
    @josephtreadlightly5686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Over the last 5 years I have heard several people say in reviews that a brace height in today's bows doesn't matter as much as it did 20 or 30 years ago. Maybe it never has mattered less since every manufacturer is going with longer risers & more parallel limbs. 🤔

  • @loserjw91
    @loserjw91 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info. Explains why I shoot Bear bows so well maybe. They don't get much more than a snarky response or comment most of the time but they are very easy to be accurate with bows. The newest Bear Execute 32 flagship measures 1.5 inches. The Moment from 2016 and 17 measures just under 2" and the Refine from last year measures just under 2". All very accurate and quick bows regardless of the brand they Bear, lol.

  • @NPC-fl3gq
    @NPC-fl3gq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reflex and brace height is all I care about.
    A2A and riser length make minimal impact on perf unless you're shooting ultra long range.
    Brace height tells you how soon your arrow leaves the string and reflex tells you how easy it'll be to shoot regarding torquing - this is why I only buy recurve bows with the throat and plunger hole perfectly aligned (vertically).

  • @jeremydelaney6364
    @jeremydelaney6364 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video again. Just wondering if l ordered off your shop site do you mail to Australia?

  • @rockyreynolds4027
    @rockyreynolds4027 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hoyt use to build bows along with PSE that had a Deflex riser and not the prettiest thing to look at but tack drivers for sure

  • @krisaunedi4920
    @krisaunedi4920 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool vlog and very useful information also Josh. Just wanted to know is when will you be bringing out more vlogs on your three bow builds for 2022 I am looking forward on your Hoyt build and want your opinion also. Cool!!

    • @joshjones6862
      @joshjones6862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Waiting on parts at the moment

  • @shanelong7593
    @shanelong7593 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff. Do you have the same details for the V3X 33 and Ventum 33?

  • @tatt2mac1
    @tatt2mac1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love your channel, What do you think about a revolt x or a reckoning for a 3d setup.. since you're review of the reckoning I think it will be the next bow for me... But I'd like to hear what you think . 🙏

  • @thomaspirone9621
    @thomaspirone9621 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    2018 Bowtech Realm has a 1 inch reflex and 28 inch riser. Now I know why it is so forgiving / accurate.

  • @bf4555
    @bf4555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kick ass information 🤟I measured reflex on my pse ntn at 1 1/2", is this correct?

  • @reddawng43x91
    @reddawng43x91 ปีที่แล้ว

    And I’ve won archery tournaments with a 1990s pse nova with wheels lol