Yes and No. They deliberately did things to rip the show away from older fans and use the show for virtue signalling and identity politics. However, they believed that when the older fans left that there was this new, younger, dynamic audience out there that would replace the fans that left. They are finding out the hard way that those constantly on Social Media stay on Social Media😊. They don’t watch much television at all and certainly not in high numbers. This is what happens when so called professionals like RTD believe his sycophants on X(Twitter). These people live in a bubble of celebrity and ass lickers. It was never ever going to consolidate into high viewing figures. Ah well, maybe one day we will get a show runner who will understand the present television landscape and try to do something completely original with Dr Who instead of regurgitating the same old, same old stuff from 20 years ago.
Great show. Thanks, Brendan, Michelle, Robin, John & Elsie, Hugh and Noel. I love the puppets. Please keep them. They lighten the atmosphere, which certainly needed lightening with this topic. We've had four episodes from RTD2 and each one in various ways were a disappointment, and in some an irritation. He had plenty of time to give each of them the thought required to refloat this ship and set it sailing on refurbished for many years to come. Instead, he's steered at yet more icebergs and more people have jumped for the lifeboats. After four episodes, I have very little reason to believe that the forthcoming 'Season One' will alter the trajectory. I don't believe that Russell T Davies has the understanding of Doctor Who or the storytelling skill to meet the requirements of showrunner today. He got away with it the first time on energy, talent, ideas and other writers. That freshness has now waned. Other writers might help him limp along for a while, but in following his lead and in taking his notes, the end remains on the horizon. I'm sad to say. I'm expecting more surface spectacle, rather than the involving, compelling plots that bear the rewatching that the classic series receives today. I'm expecting more running around, funny moments, scary moments, emotional moments, but with very little of substance underneath. I think he came back mostly because he had a good time the first time around, and the extra money and new technology gives him the power to do things that he couldn't do before. Yes, there is the messaging. But I think it might be mostly that he loves Doctor Who and he wanted to do something again that he enjoyed doing, unaware that he might not now be up to the task. I do hope to be proved wrong.
"He got away with it the first time on energy, talent, ideas and other writers." That, and the zeitgest of the time. There hadn't been any ongoing fantasy/Science fiction on British television in many years, and in cinema and television we had the rise of Harry Potter and the dawn of the Marvel films... Davies' Doctor Who was inspired by these, and rode the wave on this new appetite for fantasy and science-fiction adventure. I think it's significant that today, as the Marvel films have run their course, and Harry Potter is 'seen and done', there IS no zeitgeist to tap into and ride for Davies. If Doctor Who is to reconnect with the mass audience it will have to do so off its own nerve and by being able to reinvent its format, as it frequently did in the original series - new story tones, new groundings, and rolling its sleeves up. What I see today though is Complacency. A returning Producer, showing that he doesn't have a brand new take on the series, and (incredibly to me) is actually picking up off the back of the diasterous Chibnall/Whittaker regime... This therefore leads directly into the question John kept asking - WHY did Davies return? Two years ago I never question that. He was coming back to save the show of course! He was the only man out there who could do it at that point , because of the damage those two had inflicted, and that no other Producer worth their salt would have wanted to take it on by that point. But now, now I don't beleive that that 'man of the hour' belief is borne out by what I have seen this las year... it is clear that he wasn't coming back on a rescue mission, he was coming back because...?? I really don't know. WHY _is_ he back....? It's a very good question to ask. I really have no idea, based on what I have seen it isn't because he has ideas, or any new vision.
Money, ego, laziness - lots of wrong reasons to return to the show. It is tired. It looks tired in its storytelling - the budget and high production values try to disguise that
We have all had great ideas or what we thought at the time was a great idea. Then the reality hits. You are no longer as young as you once were and your find out your best years are behind you. This is what happened to RTD, Tennant and Tate. They sat together during the Watchalongs during the C Period and had a fantastic time going down memory lane. How great it was and why don’t we do it again? Wow! What a great idea! Basically, that’s how RTD got back at the helm and how the 14th Doctor came into being. Sadly, they couldn’t recreate the magic. Their time had come and gone. RTD thought he could succeed where Chibnall had failed when it came to identity politics. He would be the one to get the messaging across to those young minds. No more hard Sci-Fi plots to figure out. What they need is simple fantasy tales with bad Goblins and the now good Gay Doctor saving the day. As RTD said himself, the messaging is only aimed at the kids watching. Unfortunately, the grownups just groan with despair when he’s doing it.
Another thing I meant to say in the show - spot on - this was a genius little wheeze between friends online, but it should have been challenged and ditched at the first proper planning meeting - bringing Donna back meant he created all this bigeneration nonsense
My struggle with RTD was the whole kitchen sink drama it's too much focus on the companions families it was ok the first time round with Rose because it was something new and different but now it's old, tired and boring I just want them to go back to the days when The Doctor would just go to alien planets and fight monsters and Daleks and the companion was just their to help I want it to go back to proper science fiction get rid of all the soap nonsense RTD needs to get the Doctor off earth more.
Correct. Two of the most popular companions ever are Sarah Jane Smith and Jo Grant. Never knew anything about their home life. Jo worked for UNIT and Sarah was a journalist before she joined the Dr on his adventures. Didn’t need to know anymore and the adventures were better for it. Two grownup women traveling for the thrill of the adventure with their best friend who they trusted explicitly. There was none of this “ Am I A Good Man ?” nonsense. The Doctor was completely sure of himself and his role in life. He was very happy in his own skin. Never doubted his motives. He was always fighting the good fight and came with his own morality. A line that he wouldn’t cross. The Doctor being a self assured 2500 yr old Alien is the way to go!
@@DoctorHowTV yeah, I agree. It's more the point that Davies brings baggage that is more than just his writing to the show that I was wanting to make.
That is lovely to hear. May I ask where you found us? How you found us? We are only two months old as a channel. I will be fascinated how you felt about the content and how we can continue to cater for you.
@@TheSenseSphere I think what I enjoyed most about this being my first show and about the content was that the vibe was very tame and pleasant. It didn't take a political slant necessarily it seemed based in a obvious historical fandom and appreciation for the show and using critical thinking understanding the patterns that have developed over the years from Hartnell to McGann. It also didn't take an obvious somewhat xenophobic and quasi racist slant like other TH-camrs. I'm not a fan of sharing the space with individuals that are Doctor Who fans and unaware of their racial purchases. My experience online and social media like Facebook Instagram TH-cam is the I will Express an opinion about Star Trek or Marvel or Doctor Who or any franchise that is still around and I'll instantly be called a bigot. Even though I'm actuallya GenX, LGBT and Hispanic and a Progressive Liberal more or less. No one engages me and asks me hey so what do you mean by that? For instance I posted that I thought that it was ridiculous and shortsighted for the writers of Doctor Who to put in there that the tardis had a manual ramp. Well I was utterly lambasted for that because how dare I discriminate against the disabled. No one asked me what I meant I was just instantly backwards Boomer bigot. What I meant by posting that I thought it was ridiculous that the tardis had a manual ramp is that the tardis is often changing its shape and it seemed ridiculous that someone would have to bend down and pull a ramp out. In my mind given that the show has been science fiction in the past it seemed logical to assume that the tardis would just accommodate a person "morphically". So that being said I think it was made into a manual ramp and written that way so that the writers in the show and the franchise could telegraph "hey look at us", "look how inclusive we are", "see that"? And most franchise audiences nowadays are dumbed down to the point that the original intentions of the shows are lost. Doctor Who and Star Trek in particular are not thought-provoking as much as they were. And that's because the prioritization of messaging has been placed hierarchically above story. In my opinion. I sincerely look forward to further episodes and I hope that I get the notices of when you're going to go live if you do go live so that I can contribute in my thoughts and maybe monetarily a little bit. ;)
@@TheSenseSphereI think what I enjoyed most about this being my first show and about the content was that the vibe was very tame and pleasant. It didn't take a political slant necessarily it seemed based in a obvious historical fandom and appreciation for the show and using critical thinking understanding the patterns that have developed over the years from Hartnell to McGann. It also didn't take an obvious somewhat xenophobic and quasi racist slant like other TH-camrs. I'm not a fan of sharing the space with individuals that are Doctor Who fans and unaware of their racial purchases. My experience online and social media like Facebook Instagram TH-cam is the I will Express an opinion about Star Trek or Marvel or Doctor Who or any franchise that is still around and I'll instantly be called a bigot. Even though I'm actuallya GenX, LGBT and Hispanic and a Progressive Liberal more or less. No one engages me and asks me hey so what do you mean by that? For instance I posted that I thought that it was ridiculous and shortsighted for the writers of Doctor Who to put in there that the tardis had a manual ramp. Well I was utterly lambasted for that because how dare I discriminate against the disabled. No one asked me what I meant I was just instantly backwards Boomer bigot. What I meant by posting that I thought it was ridiculous that the tardis had a manual ramp is that the tardis is often changing its shape and it seemed ridiculous that someone would have to bend down and pull a ramp out. In my mind given that the show has been science fiction in the past it seemed logical to assume that the tardis would just accommodate a person "morphically". So that being said I think it was made into a manual ramp and written that way so that the writers in the show and the franchise could telegraph "hey look at us", "look how inclusive we are", "see that"? And most franchise audiences nowadays are dumbed down to the point that the original intentions of the shows are lost. Doctor Who in Star Trek in particular are not thought-provoking as much as they were. And that's because the prioritization of messaging has been placed hierarchically above story. In my opinion. I sincerely look forward to further episodes and I hope that I get the notices of when you're going to go live if you do go live so that I can contribute in my thoughts and maybe monetarily a little bit. ;)
I disagree with Noel he needs to get his facts right Peter Capaldi wasn't kicked out i know because i met him and asked him once why he left it was his own decision to leave he wasn't kicked out Chibnall asked him to stay but decided to move on with the team and felt he's done all he needed to do with the character.
Sack the puppets...stop the bait and switch...just give me the panel.😮 When you listen to the panel it's hard to follow what is happening during the puppet segments.😈
I hear you. But I’ll honestly say I try to keep the balance within 2 hr shows. Puppets on tonight for total of 3/4 mins! I hear your point but so many people want the lightness to switch with when it gets too intense. I suppose it’s about getting and keeping the balance
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My condolences to all former Dr Who fans. The only question is was the destruction deliberate?
Yes and No. They deliberately did things to rip the show away from older fans and use the show for virtue signalling and identity politics.
However, they believed that when the older fans left that there was this new, younger, dynamic audience out there that would replace the fans that left. They are finding out the hard way that those constantly on Social Media stay on Social Media😊.
They don’t watch much television at all and certainly not in high numbers. This is what happens when so called professionals like RTD believe his sycophants on X(Twitter).
These people live in a bubble of celebrity and ass lickers. It was never ever going to consolidate into high viewing figures. Ah well, maybe one day we will get a show runner who will understand the present television landscape and try to do something completely original with Dr Who instead of regurgitating the same old, same old stuff from 20 years ago.
Great show. Thanks, Brendan, Michelle, Robin, John & Elsie, Hugh and Noel.
I love the puppets. Please keep them. They lighten the atmosphere, which certainly needed lightening with this topic.
We've had four episodes from RTD2 and each one in various ways were a disappointment, and in some an irritation. He had plenty of time to give each of them the thought required to refloat this ship and set it sailing on refurbished for many years to come. Instead, he's steered at yet more icebergs and more people have jumped for the lifeboats. After four episodes, I have very little reason to believe that the forthcoming 'Season One' will alter the trajectory.
I don't believe that Russell T Davies has the understanding of Doctor Who or the storytelling skill to meet the requirements of showrunner today. He got away with it the first time on energy, talent, ideas and other writers. That freshness has now waned. Other writers might help him limp along for a while, but in following his lead and in taking his notes, the end remains on the horizon. I'm sad to say.
I'm expecting more surface spectacle, rather than the involving, compelling plots that bear the rewatching that the classic series receives today. I'm expecting more running around, funny moments, scary moments, emotional moments, but with very little of substance underneath.
I think he came back mostly because he had a good time the first time around, and the extra money and new technology gives him the power to do things that he couldn't do before. Yes, there is the messaging. But I think it might be mostly that he loves Doctor Who and he wanted to do something again that he enjoyed doing, unaware that he might not now be up to the task.
I do hope to be proved wrong.
"He got away with it the first time on energy, talent, ideas and other writers."
That, and the zeitgest of the time. There hadn't been any ongoing fantasy/Science fiction on British television in many years, and in cinema and television we had the rise of Harry Potter and the dawn of the Marvel films... Davies' Doctor Who was inspired by these, and rode the wave on this new appetite for fantasy and science-fiction adventure.
I think it's significant that today, as the Marvel films have run their course, and Harry Potter is 'seen and done', there IS no zeitgeist to tap into and ride for Davies. If Doctor Who is to reconnect with the mass audience it will have to do so off its own nerve and by being able to reinvent its format, as it frequently did in the original series - new story tones, new groundings, and rolling its sleeves up. What I see today though is Complacency. A returning Producer, showing that he doesn't have a brand new take on the series, and (incredibly to me) is actually picking up off the back of the diasterous Chibnall/Whittaker regime...
This therefore leads directly into the question John kept asking - WHY did Davies return? Two years ago I never question that. He was coming back to save the show of course! He was the only man out there who could do it at that point , because of the damage those two had inflicted, and that no other Producer worth their salt would have wanted to take it on by that point.
But now, now I don't beleive that that 'man of the hour' belief is borne out by what I have seen this las year... it is clear that he wasn't coming back on a rescue mission, he was coming back because...??
I really don't know. WHY _is_ he back....? It's a very good question to ask. I really have no idea, based on what I have seen it isn't because he has ideas, or any new vision.
Money, ego, laziness - lots of wrong reasons to return to the show. It is tired. It looks tired in its storytelling - the budget and high production values try to disguise that
We have all had great ideas or what we thought at the time was a great idea. Then the reality hits. You are no longer as young as you once were and your find out your best years are behind you.
This is what happened to RTD, Tennant and Tate. They sat together during the Watchalongs during the C Period and had a fantastic time going down memory lane. How great it was and why don’t we do it again? Wow! What a great idea!
Basically, that’s how RTD got back at the helm and how the 14th Doctor came into being. Sadly, they couldn’t recreate the magic. Their time had come and gone.
RTD thought he could succeed where Chibnall had failed when it came to identity politics. He would be the one to get the messaging across to those young minds. No more hard Sci-Fi plots to figure out. What they need is simple fantasy tales with bad Goblins and the now good Gay Doctor saving the day. As RTD said himself, the messaging is only aimed at the kids watching. Unfortunately, the grownups just groan with despair when he’s doing it.
Another thing I meant to say in the show - spot on - this was a genius little wheeze between friends online, but it should have been challenged and ditched at the first proper planning meeting - bringing Donna back meant he created all this bigeneration nonsense
My struggle with RTD was the whole kitchen sink drama it's too much focus on the companions families it was ok the first time round with Rose because it was something new and different but now it's old, tired and boring I just want them to go back to the days when The Doctor would just go to alien planets and fight monsters and Daleks and the companion was just their to help I want it to go back to proper science fiction get rid of all the soap nonsense RTD needs to get the Doctor off earth more.
Correct. Two of the most popular companions ever are Sarah Jane Smith and Jo Grant. Never knew anything about their home life. Jo worked for UNIT and Sarah was a journalist before she joined the Dr on his adventures. Didn’t need to know anymore and the adventures were better for it. Two grownup women traveling for the thrill of the adventure with their best friend who they trusted explicitly.
There was none of this “ Am I A Good Man ?” nonsense. The Doctor was completely sure of himself and his role in life. He was very happy in his own skin. Never doubted his motives. He was always fighting the good fight and came with his own morality. A line that he wouldn’t cross. The Doctor being a self assured 2500 yr old Alien is the way to go!
I had all the slides ready on eccleston.
Enjoyed doing show. Meant to raise the question of Eccleston. No Eccleston with RTD?
@@DoctorHowTV yeah, I agree. It's more the point that Davies brings baggage that is more than just his writing to the show that I was wanting to make.
First time tuning in. LOVED IT. You're my people.
That is lovely to hear. May I ask where you found us? How you found us? We are only two months old as a channel. I will be fascinated how you felt about the content and how we can continue to cater for you.
@@TheSenseSphere I think what I enjoyed most about this being my first show and about the content was that the vibe was very tame and pleasant. It didn't take a political slant necessarily it seemed based in a obvious historical fandom and appreciation for the show and using critical thinking understanding the patterns that have developed over the years from Hartnell to McGann. It also didn't take an obvious somewhat xenophobic and quasi racist slant like other TH-camrs. I'm not a fan of sharing the space with individuals that are Doctor Who fans and unaware of their racial purchases. My experience online and social media like Facebook Instagram TH-cam is the I will Express an opinion about Star Trek or Marvel or Doctor Who or any franchise that is still around and I'll instantly be called a bigot. Even though I'm actuallya GenX, LGBT and Hispanic and a Progressive Liberal more or less. No one engages me and asks me hey so what do you mean by that? For instance I posted that I thought that it was ridiculous and shortsighted for the writers of Doctor Who to put in there that the tardis had a manual ramp. Well I was utterly lambasted for that because how dare I discriminate against the disabled. No one asked me what I meant I was just instantly backwards Boomer bigot. What I meant by posting that I thought it was ridiculous that the tardis had a manual ramp is that the tardis is often changing its shape and it seemed ridiculous that someone would have to bend down and pull a ramp out. In my mind given that the show has been science fiction in the past it seemed logical to assume that the tardis would just accommodate a person "morphically". So that being said I think it was made into a manual ramp and written that way so that the writers in the show and the franchise could telegraph "hey look at us", "look how inclusive we are", "see that"? And most franchise audiences nowadays are dumbed down to the point that the original intentions of the shows are lost. Doctor Who and Star Trek in particular are not thought-provoking as much as they were. And that's because the prioritization of messaging has been placed hierarchically above story. In my opinion. I sincerely look forward to further episodes and I hope that I get the notices of when you're going to go live if you do go live so that I can contribute in my thoughts and maybe monetarily a little bit. ;)
@@TheSenseSphereI think what I enjoyed most about this being my first show and about the content was that the vibe was very tame and pleasant. It didn't take a political slant necessarily it seemed based in a obvious historical fandom and appreciation for the show and using critical thinking understanding the patterns that have developed over the years from Hartnell to McGann. It also didn't take an obvious somewhat xenophobic and quasi racist slant like other TH-camrs. I'm not a fan of sharing the space with individuals that are Doctor Who fans and unaware of their racial purchases. My experience online and social media like Facebook Instagram TH-cam is the I will Express an opinion about Star Trek or Marvel or Doctor Who or any franchise that is still around and I'll instantly be called a bigot. Even though I'm actuallya GenX, LGBT and Hispanic and a Progressive Liberal more or less. No one engages me and asks me hey so what do you mean by that? For instance I posted that I thought that it was ridiculous and shortsighted for the writers of Doctor Who to put in there that the tardis had a manual ramp. Well I was utterly lambasted for that because how dare I discriminate against the disabled. No one asked me what I meant I was just instantly backwards Boomer bigot. What I meant by posting that I thought it was ridiculous that the tardis had a manual ramp is that the tardis is often changing its shape and it seemed ridiculous that someone would have to bend down and pull a ramp out. In my mind given that the show has been science fiction in the past it seemed logical to assume that the tardis would just accommodate a person "morphically". So that being said I think it was made into a manual ramp and written that way so that the writers in the show and the franchise could telegraph "hey look at us", "look how inclusive we are", "see that"? And most franchise audiences nowadays are dumbed down to the point that the original intentions of the shows are lost. Doctor Who in Star Trek in particular are not thought-provoking as much as they were. And that's because the prioritization of messaging has been placed hierarchically above story. In my opinion. I sincerely look forward to further episodes and I hope that I get the notices of when you're going to go live if you do go live so that I can contribute in my thoughts and maybe monetarily a little bit. ;)
I disagree with Noel he needs to get his facts right Peter Capaldi wasn't kicked out i know because i met him and asked him once why he left it was his own decision to leave he wasn't kicked out Chibnall asked him to stay but decided to move on with the team and felt he's done all he needed to do with the character.
There is a book there and a story that will be told one day
RTD is a huge drama queen and loves being just that. The God Complex really should have been a story about RTD.
It does depress how far the show has sunk
Sack the puppets...stop the bait and switch...just give me the panel.😮 When you listen to the panel it's hard to follow what is happening during the puppet segments.😈
I hear you. But I’ll honestly say I try to keep the balance within 2 hr shows. Puppets on tonight for total of 3/4 mins! I hear your point but so many people want the lightness to switch with when it gets too intense. I suppose it’s about getting and keeping the balance
You can always join us too
That’s no way to talk about the panel lol 😂
@@noblerees1 all good, just giving my hot takes! I enjoy listening to all the views.
If the timing works we should try to get you on